UPC EPC3925 "Bridging" Guide

Gadgetman496

DECEiFER wrote: »

No. It should be 255.255.255.0. Did you try the routing table in the EPC?

With DHPC turned on and the Netgear set to dynamic

This is what's shown in the status area, Is this what you wanted?

DECEiFER

No, not quite, but close. Go to the Local Network page and hit up the ARP table.

Gadgetman496

Sorry about that

DECEiFER

Cool! The last entry, .11, is that the Netgear when the EPC's DHCP is enabled?

Can also screen-shot this table with the EPC's DHCP disabled and the Netgear set to use a static IP? (You'll have to connect your PC to one of the other LAN ports on the EPC with your OS set to use a static IP as this is the only way you'll get access.)

Gadgetman496

DECEiFER wrote: »

Cool! The last entry, .11, is that the Netgear when the EPC's DHCP is enabled?

Yes the .11 was the Netgear with the EPC's DHCP enabled.

This is the SS with EPC's DHCP disabled

:eek: I don't know what just changed but I was able to contact the EPC without moving the cable from the Netgear to one of the EPC's ports???




I've just restarted both routers now and I have Internet & can contact both routers

The static IP in the Netgear has the .11 but I did not set that to 11?

From what I can see it's all working now?

DECEiFER

gadgetman496 wrote: »

The static IP in the Netgear has the .11 but I did not set that to 11?

Strange. So it's statically set to .11 and the primary DNS is set to .1?

Just don't forget to DMZ .11 in the EPC. Then so long as you're still up and running, you'll be able to port forward inside the Netgear and UPnP will work in the Netgear also without any obstruction from the EPC. This is faux bridging but you may as well treat it as if the EPC isn't there or as just a modem.

Good luck with it!

Gadgetman496

I got a bit adventurous in an attempt to not confuse myself any further so I went back into the Netgear and changed the .11 back to .2 in the staic IP section, it accepted it and I rebooted both routers and all is still working.

My default Gateway is 192.168.2.1 so I'm assuming that when I set my OS static IP for Droopy it will be using 192.168.2.xxx?

You are one hell of a patient helpful person DECEiFER.

I really appreciate the time and effort you afforded me.

Thank you so much

DECEiFER

No problem man. I actually enjoy doing a bit of tech support.

Yup, when you set a static IP, you'll want it on the same subnet as the gateway. Spot on. Remember not to set it to an IP within the DHCP range of the Netgear so no other connected device gets assigned the same IP simultaneously. Glad it's all working now. You should get better performance now that you're not using the EPC's routing.

Gadgetman496

DECEiFER wrote: »

No problem man. I actually enjoy doing a bit of tech support.

Yup, when you set a static IP, you'll want it on the same subnet as the gateway. Spot on. Remember not to set it to an IP within the DHCP range of the Netgear so no other connected device gets assigned the same IP simultaneously. Glad it's all working now. You should get better performance now that you're not using the EPC's routing.

I enjoy when I can sort problems for other too, it's just nice to be on the receiving end for once and it isn't very often I come across someone as patient as yourself. It' was my lucky day

Finally, just to wreck your head one more time......

When you said to basically think of the EPC as not being there or a modem only, can I take it the UPnP is now controlled by the Netgear?

DECEiFER

Yup! Once the Netgear is in the EPC's DMZ, you'd only have to deal with ports via the Netgear. Without DMZ, UPnP would be useless and you'd have to manually forward each port in both devices for traffic to pass through.

BernardDub

Hi,

I am considering moving to UPC for the bundle, including 50M Broadband. Currently on Vodafone with a TP Link Wireless n Modem Router, which covers my three floor old house reasonably OK. I am concerned that the Cisco router will not cover the same area, as I have neighbours who have this problem with the Cisco router. I checked today and UPC say they will only supply the EPC 3925 and nothing else.

So, my question is, how easy/complex is it to use the Cisco as the modem part and then connect my current wireless router to give me wireless access throughout the house or is there a better solution, other than waiting for UPC to run out of EPC devices and they start providing decent ones. I will be running a desktop, two laptops and the odd visiting phone off the wireless router. I am reasonably tech knowledgeable but subnet masks etc. is something I hear about would would not understand in technical detail.

Thanks in advance for the help.

demanufactured

BernardDub wrote: »

Hi,

I am considering moving to UPC for the bundle, including 50M Broadband. Currently on Vodafone with a TP Link Wireless n Modem Router, which covers my three floor old house reasonably OK. I am concerned that the Cisco router will not cover the same area, as I have neighbours who have this problem with the Cisco router. I checked today and UPC say they will only supply the EPC 3925 and nothing else.

So, my question is, how easy/complex is it to use the Cisco as the modem part and then connect my current wireless router to give me wireless access throughout the house or is there a better solution, other than waiting for UPC to run out of EPC devices and they start providing decent ones. I will be running a desktop, two laptops and the odd visiting phone off the wireless router. I am reasonably tech knowledgeable but subnet masks etc. is something I hear about would would not understand in technical detail.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Disable the wireless on the EPC

Disable DHCP on your TP link router and setup its wifi as you normally would , Connect one of the LAN ports on the EPC to one of the LAN ports on your Tp link...your done.

Your EPC wil handle all the DHPC (ip addresses) and routing, And the tp link will handle your wifi.

BernardDub

Thank you demanufactured. I think I will take the plunge and give UPC a go.

wishbone

I have just switched from Vodafone to UPC and have connected my LinksysWRT54G which I was using as my wireless router with Vodafone to my EPC3925, no problems. I didn't have to edit the html code, the option to switch from Router mode to Bridge mode was there.

The reason I moved from the EPC3925 to WRT54G was that whilst working from home my signal dropped almost completely and I had to disconnect from wireless and reconnect and all was fine again.

Now the question is, was it a good move or not?
I enabled wireless on both modems.
I went onto speeedtest.net and carried out two tests, one when connected to EPC and one when on WRT and the results for WRT were poorer.

Linksys Modem - 11/16/2012 12:15 PM GMT x.x.x.x. 9.47 Mb/s 5.27 Mb/s 16 ms Dundalk
UPC Modem - 11/16/2012 12:14 PM GMT x.x.x.x 35.64 Mb/s 5.31 Mb/s 16 ms Dundalk

Does that mean it was a bad move - or is the UPC modem prone to dropping connections so I would be better to stay with Linksys?

Is it a real security risk to enable the wireless on the two modems?

Thanks!
Wishbone

ED E

This is the faux bridge thread, you want to use the other one for true bridge.

wishbone

ED E wrote: »

This is the faux bridge thread, you want to use the other one for true bridge.

Sure no problem - which thread is that? My question isn't so much about the configuration of the modem but as to whether moving from the UPC modem to my Linksys was a good thing or not.
W.

ED E

This: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056758726

Just had a look at that router. There are a million variants, but they're all old, and few/none appear to be N capable. b/g do 54Mps at 10cm in a vacuum surrounded by an interference shield. In real life, you get up to about 30Mbps. So N is what you want. Either just keep the EPC standalone or go and get something a little more modern to bridge to.

wishbone

Hi there, yes you're right it does not support N, it's only B and G. I bought it about 7 years ago at least... That said the signal strength throughout the house does seem to be better with it than with the EPC modem so I'll leave it as is. In the end I disabled wireless on EPC as there did appear to be conflicts with the two modems broadcasting wireless at the same time and I preferred the parental control on the Linksys.

I use broadband primarily for work which involves telnets to Linux boxes so speed isn't vital, just ability/reliability to connect.
Tx again.

ED E

Somebody actually still uses telnet? Who knew.

Glad I could help.

wishbone

ED E wrote: »

Somebody actually still uses telnet? Who knew.

Glad I could help.

:D - ssh of course...

Griffinx

Up and running successfully on a WNDR4500 and great improvements all around the house.

Thanks again.

Griffinx

Everything is working fine for me with this solution except when I try to vnc in from the Internet, it just wont connect. Ive forwarded ports 5800-5900 on my new router and I can vnc OK within my local network in the house to my new 192 address. However if I try coming in from the outside to my UPC IP address it wont work. This used to work fine prior to setting up this solution.

Anyone any ideas what I could try.

Thnx

Gadgetman496

Have you set a static IP & opened ports 5800-5900 for it?

Griffinx

gadgetman496 wrote: »

Have you set a static IP & opened ports 5800-5900 for it?

I set up a static and it didnt make any difference. I had already forwarded ports 5800-5900 ...is that what you mean by opened ports above?

Griffinx

Griffinx wrote: »

I set up a static and it didnt make any difference. I had already forwarded ports 5800-5900 ...is that what you mean by opened ports above?

I found my problem, I never unticked the old Port Fordwarding that I used in my EPC3925...probably would be a good idea to add this to the guide.

Griffinx

Anyone know if this procedure works on the new Horizon box...the WiFi is awful on it

DECEiFER

Griffinx wrote: »

Anyone know if this procedure works on the new Horizon box...the WiFi is awful on it

Does the Horizon box have all the usual router features like DMZ? If so, then it should work.

All you'd have to do in that case is plug your router into one of the ethernet ports on the back of the Horizon box and assign it a static IP, which you will then add to the DMZ. Then in your router, you configure the IP and Gateway as instructed here by ED E.

Griffinx

DECEiFER wrote: »

Does the Horizon box have all the usual router features like DMZ? If so, then it should work.

All you'd have to do in that case is plug your router into one of the ethernet ports on the back of the Horizon box and assign it a static IP, which you will then add to the DMZ. Then in your router, you configure the IP and Gateway as instructed here by ED E.

Yes it has DMZ...Ill give it a go and see what happens

DECEiFER

Griffinx wrote: »

Yes it has DMZ...Ill give it a go and see what happens

Cool. Given that a lot of people are going to be asking the same question in times to come with the imminent roll-out of the Horizon box as an all-in-one, could you please post back if everything went to plan or not?

If you have any difficulties or questions, feel free to ask.

ED E

If anyone I know gets their hands on one of them I'll try and get a few screenshots and see what we've got to work with.

gavmcg92

ED E wrote: »

If anyone I know gets their hands on one of them I'll try and get a few screenshots and see what we've got to work with.

There's going to be a lot of people looking for help on this as soon as they realise that the Horizon box is an all in one device.

FreudianSlippers

gavmcg92 wrote: »

There's going to be a lot of people looking for help on this as soon as they realise that the Horizon box is an all in one device.

They will let you keep your router if you ask.

demanufactured

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

They will let you keep your router if you ask.

Nope
They disabled mine ( still have it)
And won't reenable it

FreudianSlippers

demanufactured wrote: »

Nope
They disabled mine ( still have it)
And won't reenable it

That's unfortunate - you should check the Horizon thread, there are loads of people (including myself) who kept their router.

demanufactured

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

That's unfortunate - you should check the Horizon thread, there are loads of people (including myself) who kept their router.

How did you get them to do that....they tell me I can't have two routers connected to their network from the one house .

FreudianSlippers

I rang them and said I would like to keep my old router and have the one built-in to the horizon box disabled. Was no problem at all.

white_westie

demanufactured wrote: »

How did you get them to do that....they tell me I can't have two routers connected to their network from the one house .

I think the term they use is a 'non-consolidated setup', where the modem is not enabled in the horizon box, and so you use your own.
The default setup is a consolidated setup with the modem enabled, which is probably what you got, so they disable your original modem when they install.
Get onto them and see if they will reconfigure your horizon box.

Griffinx

I tried this procedure with the new Horizon box but didn't have success in getting it working. I could setup the dmz on the horizon box ok and I disabled the dhcp server but when I connected my own router there seemed to be some interference between the two. Browser sessions were timing out internet access was intermittent. Eventually I couldn't login to the horizon box at all and I tried factory resetting it. However this only resets the TV side and the router settings were left unchanged. There doesn't seem to be any way to reset the horizon box router side back to factory and I had to call upc to get them to do it.

The settings I used were as per the instructions above so I don't really know what to try next

ED E

Griffinx wrote: »

I tried this procedure with the new Horizon box but didn't have success in getting it working. I could setup the dmz on the horizon box ok and I disabled the dhcp server but when I connected my own router there seemed to be some interference between the two. Browser sessions were timing out internet access was intermittent. Eventually I couldn't login to the horizon box at all and I tried factory resetting it. However this only resets the TV side and the router settings were left unchanged. There doesn't seem to be any way to reset the horizon box router side back to factory and I had to call upc to get them to do it.

The settings I used were as per the instructions above so I don't really know what to try next

What router were you trying?

Griffinx

ED E wrote: »

What router were you trying?

I used the WNDR4500 that I had originally used with the old upc Cisco router so it was already setup as required

ED E

Hooooold up, just remembered something.

The OP is incomplete! And I forgot to get it fixed by the mods.



Post 1:
Missing info, clears things up for people
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79612563&postcount=36

Post 2:
VITAL part that I forgot in the guide.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79636806&postcount=38

@MODS: Add them to the OP please

@Griffinx: Check part 2



The whole thing could be clearer, might write up a new guide and start a new thread as a lot of this is outdated. If somebody can get a horizon box going I could include that in it, because its mainly them that will need it now that the 3925 has the feature enabled.

Griffinx

ED E wrote: »

@Griffinx: Check part 2



The whole thing could be clearer, might write up a new guide and start a new thread as a lot of this is outdated. If somebody can get a horizon box going I could include that in it, because its mainly them that will need it now that the 3925 has the feature enabled.

Yes I had taken the static IP into account and this had been working fine with the upc Cisco router

FreudianSlippers

I'm thinking about consolidating into the horizon box, has anyone been able to bridge to an external router with the horizon box?

demanufactured

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm thinking about consolidating into the horizon box, has anyone been able to bridge to an external router with the horizon box?

No it doesn't support bridging.

J0nney

Hi,

My broadband service was upgraded recently from 30Gb to 50Gb. They sent me a TC7200 to replace my EPC2425. I connected the TC7200 and configured it and it works okayish!

IT runs hot - supposed to be 18Wats compared to the 2425's 6wats. Signal inside a 3 bedroomed house is okay, but immediately outside the backdoor it’s bad. I connected the EPC2425 to the TC7200 to operate as a second access point for roaming, but having to use two (poor quality) cable modem/routers just to get decent wifi is not a good setup!

I'm wondering does anyone know if the EPC2425 would work on the new 50Gb service.

I'm also wondering if anyone could suggest a good aftermarket router to pseudo-bridge (ED_E's solution) to the UPC device.

And finally, could anyone suggest a good type N mini pci (internal) wifi card. My Compaq/HP nx7400 laptop currently has an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. I'm thinking of updating it with an Intel 4965AGN. The Intel 4965AGN seems very cheap, maybe cheap = poor quality product!

Thanks

white_westie

I'm wondering does anyone know if the EPC2425 would work on the new 50Gb service.

No it wont, its supports DOCSIS 2 only so max speed 30Mb

I'm also wondering if anyone could suggest a good aftermarket router to pseudo-bridge (ED_E's solution) to the UPC device.

Search the posts in this forum, there are plenty of recommendations
Popular brands are ASUS and Netgear. Prices range from 50euro+

And finally, could anyone suggest a good type N mini pci (internal) wifi card. My Compaq/HP nx7400 laptop currently has an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. I'm thinking of updating it with an Intel 4965AGN. The Intel 4965AGN seems very cheap, maybe cheap = poor quality product!

Again, look in the Wireless forum for wifi card recommendations.

J0nney

Thanks white_westie

Griffinx

Anyone have any luck bypassing the Horizon box and using their own router? If I could do this for wifi only I'd be happy

J0nney

If you only want to use your second router for wifi then it should be easy to setup.

The only change on the Horizon box would be to disable wifi. However you could leave it on if you want to have two access points.

On the second router, disable DHCP and give it a static IP. For example if the Horizon uses 192.168.0.1 you could use 192.168.0.2 for a static IP on your second router. You could use the same SSID name as used on the Horizon and use a diferent channel. Finally connect any lan port on the second router to any lan port on the Horizon.

DECEiFER

J0nney wrote: »

On the second router, disable DHCP and give it a static IP. For example if the Horizon uses 192.168.0.1 you could use 192.168.0.2 for a static IP on your second router.

Just remember in the second router to assign itself to a different subnet than 0.x, like 1.x (192.168.1.1) or what you like.

J0nney wrote: »

Finally connect any lan port on the second router to any lan port on the Horizon.

Your second router will likely have a WAN port so plug the cable into any LAN port on the Horizon box and into the WAN port of the second router.


My parents are getting the Horizon service next Wednesday. They won't be using a second router. Right now they have a Technicolor TC2700 and it's sitting by the TV in the living room. The house is a long bungalow so the signal is pretty bad down at the opposite end of the house in the kitchen. They don't seem to mind, as I've tried to tell them to move the router into the hallway (there's already a hole in the wall as the phone is out there and phone cable goes through it to reach the modem). There's nothing plugged into the LAN ports so it could easily be done, provided the hole is big enough for the coaxial cable to get through. The UPC salesman, though, told me the Horizon box has a stronger WiFi signal. Wasn't sure if he was using a sales tactic or if it's true. It couldn't be any worse than it is now, hopefully, but if it is, I'll have to recommend a second router to be placed out in the hallway (hopefully the hole in the wall is also big enough for an ethernet cable to crawl through, or else it'll be time to crack out the drill again!). Does anyone know if the Horizon box's WiFi is any better than the Technicolor TC2700's or even the Cisco EPC3925's?