Mens Rights Thread

iptba

I can’t bring myself to read this at this time but I thought it might be of interest that this is a sponsored piece in the Irish Times, presumably paid for by one or more of the entities mentioned in it:

A Special Report is content that is edited and produced by the Special Reports unit within The Irish Times Content Studio. It is supported by advertisers who may contribute to the report, but who do not have editorial control.

The importance of the gender pay gap Bill
With Bill slow to progress, there are calls for key piece of legislation to be re-prioritised


https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/the-importance-of-the-gender-pay-gap-bill-1.4385245

iptba

iptba wrote: »

I can’t bring myself to read this at this time but I thought it might be of interest that this is a sponsored piece in the Irish Times, presumably paid for by one or more of the entities mentioned in it:

A Special Report is content that is edited and produced by the Special Reports unit within The Irish Times Content Studio. It is supported by advertisers who may contribute to the report, but who do not have editorial control.

The importance of the gender pay gap Bill
With Bill slow to progress, there are calls for key piece of legislation to be re-prioritised


https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/the-importance-of-the-gender-pay-gap-bill-1.4385245

Another related sponsored piece:
Hard data critical to achieving equality and diversity goals
Statistics such as headcount and payroll can ascertain significant gender pay gap


https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/hard-data-critical-to-achieving-equality-and-diversity-goals-1.4385408

py2006

In the car earlier, I heard an ad on the radio highlighting abuse against men. You could hear the woman shouting and threatening him as he locked the door behind him and gets onto the phone to somebody.

Refreshing to hear men being thought of for once

iptba

iptba wrote: »

Another related sponsored piece:
Hard data critical to achieving equality and diversity goals
Statistics such as headcount and payroll can ascertain significant gender pay gap


https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/hard-data-critical-to-achieving-equality-and-diversity-goals-1.4385408

An Advertising Feature is created, supplied and paid for by a commercial client and promoted by The Irish Times Content Studio. The Irish Times newsroom or other editorial departments are not involved in the production of advertising features.

Another feminist-type advertorial:

Female role models will help create an open, diverse and inclusive ICT industry
Senior female Huawei executive calls for an “inclusive, diverse and healthy society” in keynote address

https://www.irishtimes.com/advertising-feature/huawei/female-role-models-will-help-create-an-open-diverse-and-inclusive-ict-industry-1.4398792

Sn@kebite

py2006 wrote: »

In the car earlier, I heard an ad on the radio highlighting abuse against men. You could hear the woman shouting and threatening him as he locked the door behind him and gets onto the phone to somebody.

Refreshing to hear men being thought of for once

I think male victims are in an unfortunate situation in that they abuse appears to centre around emotional abuse. This is more difficult to prove whilst there is a denial women abuse men/children and the laws tend to focus on more "masculine crimes" as in physical beatings. If you notice when women do get arrested it is almost always very violent behaviour as in she is abusing in a more stereotypical "male way". Laws don't tend to come after the way women abuse so it's a hidden problem.

iptba

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

Also following clearing out cookies and the like from my desktop, I am no longer automatically shown trending hashtags, but instead a variety of items (I can click on to see trending hashtags, but only do that a few times a day). So I'll probably be highlighting a variety of trending topics and hashtags from now on

#MedBikini

#tampaxad
it was mostly women (83%) who complained to the ASAI

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/roadto2022en/status/1292825773162864641?s=11

Aoibhinn
https://twitter.com/IrishTimesLife/status/1302183662574882821

Twitter trend
How COVID-19 has disproportionately affected women
https://twitter.com/i/events/1306350237351661568

TERFs
JK Rowling

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/intalert/status/1318607915624837121?s=20

TERFs

#JusticeForJohnnyDepp
https://twitter.com/MyGrindelwald/status/1326539145456492549?s=20

Sn@kebite

HumbleBundle Fall VR video game bundle supports Movember.

HB is a website that gives away cdkeys for computer games if you donate to its causes. You then download the game and it's locked to your Steam account. Various bundles are tier locked so the more money you donate the higher the unlocked tier of games. This bundle is a Virtual Reality game bundle for Steam gaming client. Note you may need a VR headset to play some games just check the individual game at the steam website

Steampowered.com

This is the first time I've seen HB support a male issue. - it's usually WWF, conservation and the usual woke catalogue of charities (girls who code, RAINN, girls football camps, girl guides, NAACP, LGBT, etc...)

https://www.humblebundle.com/games/fall-vr

iptba

This ad came up on my phone. I was curious who it was from, thinking it might be from a women's charity looking for funding.

But no, it is from the European Commission
https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1487&langId=en&utm_source=display&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=IE_EU_Pillar_Social_Rights_Display

py2006

In fairness they got the keyword correct for once. 'earn' and not 'paid'.

Sn@kebite

iptba wrote: »

This ad came up on my phone. I was curious who it was from, thinking it might be from a women's charity looking for funding.

But no, it is from the European Commission

Well it's still about funding. A lot of otherwise unemployable women have jobs in government positions researching this as a career.

py2006

https://twitter.com/Suffragentleman/status/1329419256044412931?s=20

iptba

On International Men's Day, a #WorkEqual event was held and it's currently trending on Twitter
https://twitter.com/MartinaPQuinn/status/1329410512342413313
The WorkEqual campaign is an initiative of the Dress for Success Dublin charity, and is sponsored by Permanent TSB and SOLAS.

Sn@kebite

iptba wrote: »

On International Men's Day, a #WorkEqual event was held and it's currently trending on Twitter
https://twitter.com/MartinaPQuinn/status/1329410512342413313
The WorkEqual campaign is an initiative of the Dress for Success Dublin charity, and is sponsored by Permanent TSB and SOLAS.

That's to do with middle-class feminists and wanting men to do more care work so (privileged) women are less impacted in the corporate world. That's not to analyses problems men face. You won't see them concerned about parental alienation for instance.

iptba

Sn@kebite wrote: »

That's to do with middle-class feminists and wanting men to do more care work so (privileged) women are less impacted in the corporate world. That's not to analyses problems men face. You won't see them concerned about parental alienation for instance.

Yes indeed. In case it wasn’t clear, I was querying how appropriate it was for International Men’s Day and highlighting one of the slides showing how the focus of that speaker was on helping women.

The Dress for Success charity is about helping women.

iptba

(Not important at all)
This showed up on my twitter feed, as it was liked by 2 women I follow (who both have PhDs, no less) and is popular with 28,000 likes in 2 days:
https://twitter.com/littlelilkat/status/1330580122802540544?s=20
It hardly proves much though one has to wonder whether some people read into it that the difference between the genders isn't that big with regard to sports or at least some sports.

Pawwed Rig

iptba wrote: »

It hardly proves much though one has to wonder whether some people read into it that the difference between the genders isn't that big with regard to sports or at least some sports.

I doubt it is true either. Who actually talks like that?

H3llR4iser

Nobody with an ounce of brain will seriously think that at an amateur level sports, a skilled/trained woman can't beat a less skilled/trained guy.

There was a girl in my gym who could basically lift as heavy as me - and I probably weigh twice what she does. She was simply training much, much more than I do. Afterall, she was doing bodybuilding competitions, while I was just trying not to be (too much of) a fatarse.

An amateur league women's football team will crush your "mates from work + Jim's friend in goal" team all the time. Back when I was in school, whenever we did the PE "tests" (basically, run 5-6 laps around the school building and have the time recorded), there was one girl who would routinely lap all the guys except for the 2/3 "sporty lads" in the class, for she had been training as a ballerina since age 5 or so.

That Twitter post is basically the sum of the completely idiotic attitudes going around these days, where every fcucking thing has to be divisive, problematic and generate debate. What she wrote is basically a big cocktail of cockyness and baiting someone into replying, so other people can start some good old man bashing and speaking about "men tears", "insecurity" and sh1t like that.

Relax lady. You won your tournament. Means you were a better tennis player than all the others, nothing more, nothing less. Enjoy it.

iptba

Back in the 1980s, I think, I remember hearing some feminists say that the reason the fastest women weren't able to run as fast as the fastest man was down to socialisation. Hearing such comments made me sceptical of their thought patterns and I started to wonder what other dubious things might be claimed and sometimes go unchallenged.

iptba

The researchers found that one in five women have been raped – defined as vaginal, anal or oral penetration – in their lifetime, compared with one in 10 men.

The prevalence of sexual violence varied “significantly” between men and women, the report states, with 49 per cent of women and 19 per cent of men reported being sexually assaulted or harassed.

Both sets of figures are sad.

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Dr Frédérique Vallières, director of the Trinity Centre for Global Health at Trinity College Dublin and study co-lead, said sexual violence is a “gendered issue”.

“It is women who bear the brunt of sexual violence in society. It’s the United Nations International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women and it is women who mostly experience this.”

The figures suggest that it is not as gendered as some people might think: a significant percentage of men have experienced it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/almost-15-of-irish-adults-have-been-raped-study-finds-1.4418390

Samsonsmasher

iptba wrote: »

Back in the 1980s, I think, I remember hearing some feminists say that the reason the fastest women weren't able to run as fast as the fastest man was down to socialisation. Hearing such comments made me sceptical of their thought patterns and I started to wonder what other dubious things might be claimed and sometimes go unchallenged.

The only barriers to women anywhere in Western countries now is their own career choices - generally women tend to steer clear of STEM fields and women dislike jobs that require danger filth and heavy physical labour.

Samsonsmasher

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The only barriers to women anywhere in Western countries now is their own career choices - generally women tend to steer clear of STEM fields and women dislike jobs that require danger filth and heavy physical labour.

Yes, and no. There are still some industries with some resistance to female hires, due to a traditional mindset or some other nonsense, however, they're few and far between.. and to be fair, there are plenty of industries which have the same barriers for men being hired, due to ingrained biases.

The problem with equality is that it's a bit like the war on Terror.. who exactly do you fight, since it's an idea that you're really seeking to combat, and yet, ideas tend to continue floating around for generations even after leaving mainstream society.

In terms of women being hired, they actually have a greater opportunity than men in most roles, due to the fear/intimidation associated with refusing women, and the need to show how "diverse" a company is expected to be... although, thankfully, that's starting to simmer down, since it's impossible not to recognise the presence of women in virtually every industry.

H3llR4iser

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, and no. There are still some industries with some resistance to female hires, due to a traditional mindset or some other nonsense, however, they're few and far between.. and to be fair, there are plenty of industries which have the same barriers for men being hired, due to ingrained biases.

True, yet ironically the whole discussion hardly ever touches these very specific fields. The young girl who WANTS to be a mechanic and faces real discrimination doesn't count at all in the discussion, while the one who DOESN'T want to be a software engineer is the one to be helped "overcome" a "discrimination" that isn't there in the first place. Reminds me of the story at the origin of the "spam" concept. Would be funny if it wasn't completely idiotic.

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem with equality is that it's a bit like the war on Terror.. who exactly do you fight, since it's an idea that you're really seeking to combat, and yet, ideas tend to continue floating around for generations even after leaving mainstream society.

In terms of women being hired, they actually have a greater opportunity than men in most roles, due to the fear/intimidation associated with refusing women, and the need to show how "diverse" a company is expected to be... although, thankfully, that's starting to simmer down, since it's impossible not to recognise the presence of women in virtually every industry.

I would further extend the comparison to the fact that often the concept of "war on terror" ends up creating its own enemies to fight and justify its own existence - the exact same is happening with "equality", especially when it comes to career path choices.

Even more similarities - sometimes, your actions of the past come back to "create" an issue in the future; STEM fields, especially computer science, had plenty of women training for and working in them up until the 1980s. They actually outnumbered men.

Then the interest fell away...and THAT is what needs to be understood. The excuse "oh it's a male dominated environment" isn't valid today and it was even more ridiculous back then, as it just wasn't even factually true.

I have a suspicion that a cultural shift was involved, the one that saw mainstream media start basically depicting people working with computers with the stereotype of the "charmless, hopeless nerd". Just a suspicion.

H3llR4iser

H3llR4iser wrote: »

True, yet ironically the whole discussion hardly ever touches these very specific fields. The young girl who WANTS to be a mechanic and faces real discrimination doesn't count at all in the discussion, while the one who DOESN'T want to be a software engineer is the one to be helped "overcome" a "discrimination" that isn't there in the first place. Reminds me of the story at the origin of the "spam" concept. Would be funny if it wasn't completely idiotic.

Ahh well, that's because modern feminism is about social reconstruction. It's like how two decades ago, women who had chosen to be primary mothers and housewives, were criticised for that choice, and almost threatened by many feminists as traitors to their gender. When feminists talk about society and social constructs, they're engaging in the creation of many constructs of their own, and making sure that other women (not the feminists themselves) have to live by these new structures.

If anything I suspect that modern feminism has removed more freedom for women, than provided it, due to the whole victim mentality that's been pushed at them from every angle.

I would further extend the comparison to the fact that often the concept of "war on terror" ends up creating its own enemies to fight and justify its own existence - the exact same is happening with "equality", especially when it comes to career path choices.

Ahh feminism needs an eternal enemy, hence the patriarchy, and by extension, men in general.. A vague formless group who act against the interests of women... and who can never fully be defeated, and so, the continued existence for feminist rhetoric is always needed.

Even more similarities - sometimes, your actions of the past come back to "create" an issue in the future; STEM fields, especially computer science, had plenty of women training for and working in them up until the 1980s. They actually outnumbered men.

Then the interest fell away...and THAT is what needs to be understood. The excuse "oh it's a male dominated environment" isn't valid today and it was even more ridiculous back then, as it just wasn't even factually true.

I have a suspicion that a cultural shift was involved, the one that saw mainstream media start basically depicting people working with computers with the stereotype of the "charmless, hopeless nerd". Just a suspicion.

With programming, it was the problem with deadlines, and overtime being required. In any case, you see this across all industries, where women have "broken" into the male bastion of employment, that they're unhappy with the work culture involved, because it doesn't provide them with what they want... or is simply too hard/competitive/stressful, etc. Which is why the environment is unhealthy (toxic) and needs to be changed, irrespective of the real demands of market driven forces which determine the needs for such labor.. but men can continue to work this way, but women can have something different, because that really shouts equality.

iptba

8 Reasons Why Fathers Matter
by Clayton Craddock • November 23, 2020 • 0 Comments

http://claytoncraddock.com/8-reasons-why-fathers-matter-2/

iptba

iptba wrote: »

http://claytoncraddock.com/8-reasons-why-fathers-matter-2/

I would not be the 'gentle' man I am today without my father. I mean that. I grew up bitter about my place in society, due to all manner of reasons, but at every stage, my father was there as an example to aspire to. Being gentle without being weak. Being non-combative without being a coward. Being understanding without being condescending. My mother is great, but we're too alike, and so, we tend to butt heads all the time.

My father remains my hero. We didn't play sports together or have any of the movie like bonding experiences, but he remains the best example of what a man is... and, as with most things related to modern feminism, they won't like the world they get, if they're successful in demonizing fathers.

Because I can quite honestly say, that without the example of my father, I would have turned into a much nastier kind of man, with little respect for women, because, honestly.. few women have encouraged me to respect them based on their behavior. It's been my father to show me, by example and by leading the way, on how, not to be bitter, violent, etc (oh, there's a lot of personal development there from me, but... I cannot overestimate the positive influence of my father).

Fathers are necessary for the growth of young boys/men. Hell, it's necessary for middle aged guys too. Sure, there are bad fathers.. but even then, nothing is ever perfect for everyone.

Daniel Dubois

Daniel Dubois wrote: »

There's a certain kind of woman that gets very bitter on threads like these, they usually resort to personal insults and rather than engage in constructive debate and discussion.

This type of woman was likely treated badly by men in the past, perhaps treated like a cumbucket and discarded like trash. Awful to be treated like that of course. But this type of woman never processed that emotional trauma, it sits in them like poison and infects them on a daily basis, and it results in them being abusive towards other people, especially men, as they generalise that all men are the problem. It's quite unfortunate.

Nah. Sorry, but no... I've learned not to jump to conclusions when it comes to both, people online, and offline. Sure, we've heard tales/stories of women with plenty of bad experiences, but judging on my own experience in meeting women, they're a minority... until you reach America.

The women who complain online, are the same as the guys who complain online. They get a kick out of it. I know... I've been there myself. You pick an area, become something of an expert on it, and you get a rush from tearing down others, because it's fun... and depending on the topic, it can have the added benefit of being virtuous too.

Sure, some people are acting out due to some traumatic experience from their past... but TBH most women I know with such experiences, are actually lovely people, and typically, don't act out either publicly or online. I think we really need to take a step away from this push to make online expression into the center of human behavior, because it's not.

Ahh. My bad. (just noticed the deleted post) Sorry mods. Don't feed the...

99nsr125

Acquafrio wrote: »

Marriage and aspects of religion were invented as a means of reconciling women's true sexual nature with a settled society in towns and villages.

The truth is only a small minority of men are sexy to women, so in order to motivate the majority of men to contrubute to this new settled civilisation they needed a reward to do so. Without sex for a majority of men, they would simply not comply with such a social order. So there needed to be a way to reconcile this problem. And so marriage was invented and the threat of hell for infidelity and sex outside marriage.

So what happened essentially is a situation was engineered such that most men were in relationships with women who weren't even attracted to them. Also what these social engineers didn't realise was that it doesn't matter what rules you put in place, once women are ovulating and there is an opportunity for sex with one of the few sexy men then all bets are off. It doesn't matter what rules and punishment there is.

In some societies they even resorted to stoning women for adultery to minimise the chance they would cheat on their husband with one of the sexy men. They banned alcohol as that makes womem care even less about the rules and punishment and they even covered up women's attractive features to keep the sexy men away.

Ask yourself why in any large group of friends there are usually one or two lads who regularly have casual sex where the rest might get lucky on the rare occasion.

Genetic testing tells us that only a minority of men throughout the ages have passed on their DNA to the next generation.

Marriage is about property rights and the passage of wealth

You don't need marriage to love or stay together forever

Marriage does not change peoples nature, an estimated 1 in 4 children are passed off as the husbands.

Marriage gives the woman access to wealth she hasn't earned and she gets to cheat and pass off the offspring as the husbands.

99nsr125

99nsr125 wrote: »

Marriage is about property rights and the passage of wealth

For you. For me, marriage is about a commitment, and a strong gesture towards staying together. Now.. I'm in no hurry to get married, and I'll be careful about it.. but it's still something I might consider for the future.

You don't need marriage to love or stay together forever

Some don't... but most people actually do. The numbers of successful relationships staying together long term is still relatively small, considering it's only a short period of time, that marriage has become undesirable (again, for some). I know people who have said in group conversations, that it was the act and status of marriage that kept them together, when the friendship, trust, whatever, didn't mean much at the time of the disagreement(s).

Marriage does not change peoples nature, an estimated 1 in 4 children are passed off as the husbands.

A persons nature is individualistic, and the 1 in 4 is based off America, which is a country of extremes. Many women never cheat, nor seek to trick guys. Don't judge the world based off American society.

Marriage gives the woman access to wealth she hasn't earned and she gets to cheat and pass off the offspring as the husbands.

Except that women have been in the workplace for decades now, and the focus of wealth has shifted significantly, often with the woman earning more than the man. I understand what you're talking about, but again, you're focusing too much on US society. If you look at European rates of marriage/divorce, marriage (and those who stay married) far outweigh that of divorce, and the numbers of men paying for children not their own in Europe is supposedly quite low (I haven't seen many articles of European men being hit by this). Although child support is an issue throughout Europe..

The real problem is the lack of focus on gender equality, and that's a failing by the successive waves of males/females who accepted this state in the law and society.

99nsr125

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For you. For me, marriage is about a commitment, and a strong gesture towards staying together. Now.. I'm in no hurry to get married, and I'll be careful about it.. but it's still something I might consider for the future.

No for everybody as a default, being married gives you legal entitlement via terms written in law like a contract to the wealth of your partner, even when you don't get it, it's because a pre nuptial contract has been drawn up to specifically protect the wealth from the other.

So have the ceremony but don't sign the paper but nobody does that . . . .

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some don't... but most people actually do. The numbers of successful relationships staying together long term is still relatively small, considering it's only a short period of time, that marriage has become undesirable (again, for some). I know people who have said in group conversations, that it was the act and status of marriage that kept them together, when the friendship, trust, whatever, didn't mean much at the time of the disagreement(s).

Ya know like a contract not a commitment

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A persons nature is individualistic, and the 1 in 4 is based off America, which is a country of extremes. Many women never cheat, nor seek to trick guys. Don't judge the world based off American society.

I was referencing a UK study which had found 1 in 4 children in a marriage were not the offspring of the husband yet were passed off as such

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except that women have been in the workplace for decades now, and the focus of wealth has shifted significantly, often with the woman earning more than the man. I understand what you're talking about, but again, you're focusing too much on US society. If you look at European rates of marriage/divorce, marriage (and those who stay married) far outweigh that of divorce, and the numbers of men paying for children not their own in Europe is supposedly quite low (I haven't seen many articles of European men being hit by this). Although child support is an issue throughout Europe..

The real problem is the lack of focus on gender equality, and that's a failing by the successive waves of males/females who accepted this state in the law and society.

Yet we still work harder, longer in more dangerous occupations, not paid but earning more it is a significant distinction.

It's not about equity, it may have been once but it's not any more, a meritocracy would benefit everyone even if it meant 100% female roles or 100% male roles.

But it's not a meritocracy they want, a minority driven agenda wants to plunder and pass it off as equity the problem with this as history has shown us is that those societies that were plundered are decimated and it causes *all* to suffer