**HL/OL GERMAN BEFORE/AFTER**

cracknafobia

Hi,decided to make this thread as their is none at the moment let us know your thoughts predictions.
I'd be looking for hopefully a B in this at Higher level!
Remember oral=25%

fizzyorange

Oh god. This thread means that the German exam is real, doesn't it?

cracknafobia

have a feeling Ausserung zum Thema will be on Sport or sport related issues and if its not there it should be included in the letter.hopefully we get a handy listening!

cracknafobia

oh its real not as popular as french though!

Hayezer

Literally forgot about German, my god, might just sacrifice it. Have no idea what to learn, don't know the grammer section-my teacher is absolutely terrible

DepoProvera

hahahahah ****, I completely forgot about this exam.. For all the work I put into the oral I'd best give this a good cramming soon. Ich muss zugeben, dass die Test nicht so schweirig wird! (oder ich hoffe das! :P)

fizzyorange

If sport, Olympics, exercise and fitness, health, or any other topics along the lines of those, I will weep with happiness in my exam.

Especially if I could stick in the phrase "Ubergewichtige ist ein grosses Problem in Irland" Hah, cracks me up every time. :P

leaveiton

German should be grand enough. Can't wait to see what crazy situations the people in the aural/comprehensions get up to this year!

Hayezer

Salmonella from chickens in the pre...text-book German

DepoProvera

leaveiton wrote: »

German should be grand enough. Can't wait to see what crazy situations the people in the aural/comprehensions get up to this year!

Wasn't there one about some powder killing a cat? Oh German :rolleyes:

cracknafobia

yes there was i think a few years back! comprehensions are usually ok and are worth a fair bit but de grammer section is hit and miss!

Dapics

I love german. Do OL but it is so easy to get a B in.

Havent opened a book in the past three months.
Dont plan to in the next few days.

finality

I'm so excited about German. I can't wait. It's going to be so much fun, I actually love the German exam. The grammar section is my favourite part

Schonie

Ugh..I hate german...I should start going over my grammar since I'm terrible at it..
Yeah I think sport and exercise will be on...and healthy eating could tie in with that...
And also Olympics and Special Olympics...and my teacher thought that something on the Obama or the Queens visit could come up

LauraK118

Has anyone got any tips for the grammer...essay or letter for higher level german?

Nazata

Once got an aural about a guy who was beaten up by skinheads who then stole his clothes...

FaoiSin

Anybody any advice for the grammar? My teacher tries her best in fairness but she's not great at explaining stuff

bokkenspiel

that would be an ecumenical matter

cracknafobia

LauraK118 wrote: »

Has anyone got any tips for the grammer...essay or letter for higher level german?

for the grammer learn all the cases ie accusative nominative dative and genitive and learn how to use them,for the letter learn opening and closing and also nearly always one question on the letter,asked in the past tense!

bluesky94

Angewandte Grammatik Relative Pronouns, Question Words, Verbs and Tenses, Cases (if you learn the table of the different cases you can usually work it out..)

Letter/Ausserung zum Thema Sport, Fettleibigkeit, Olympische Spiele, Doping in Sport..? Or possibly something about Ireland being a welcoming country Obama and the Queen as mentioned above.. ? :cool:

Hayezer

oh dear god

leaveiton

bluesky94 wrote: »

Angewandte Grammatik Relative Pronouns, Question Words, Verbs and Tenses, Cases (if you learn the table of the different cases you can usually work it out..)

Letter/Ausserung zum Thema Sport, Fettleibigkeit, Olympische Spiele, Doping in Sport..? Or possibly something about Ireland being a welcoming country Obama and the Queen as mentioned above.. ? :cool:

Er... what is Fettleibigkeit?

finality

leaveiton wrote: »

Er... what is Fettleibigkeit?

It's obesity :P

leaveiton

finality wrote: »

It's obesity :P

Thanks, hadn't come across that word for it before :P

Bubbleope

how have people prepared for german??
S: all i did was write out points on all possible topics (which imma read over tomorrow)
and i have a letter opening and closing learned off
and i have a list of vocab for listening written out too
and i did all the grammar questions in the papers, making sure i knew how to do them.

!? does that sound like a gammy way to study german? S: i dunno what else to do

bluesky94

Obesity

It was a topic in 2008 but it came up as 'ways children can lead a more active lifestyle' and 'healthy eating is important'.

I'm going over the stuff we prepared for the oral too.. Like school, hobbies and das Abitur..

nayrneleh

Angewandte Grammatik - someone please help me with this.
I get it generally but I have no idea of the dative/accusative/etc. I just can't grasp it.
Some help would be much appreciated!

SeanMadd

bluesky94 wrote: »

Obesity

It was a topic in 2008 but it came up as 'ways children can lead a more active lifestyle' and 'healthy eating is important'.

I'm going over the stuff we prepared for the oral too.. Like school, hobbies and das Abitur..

It was in our mock too, something about unhealthy eating though and nutrition, and there was a pic of a girl eating popcorn with her gut protruding from her t-shirt :P

Bet we'll get a weird aural.. German aural is always odd! Is it true that aural isn't on until the end of the exam?

cracknafobia

SeanMadd wrote: »

It was in our mock too, something about unhealthy eating though and nutrition, and there was a pic of a girl eating popcorn with her gut protruding from her t-shirt :P

Bet we'll get a weird aural.. German aural is always odd! Is it true that aural isn't on until the end of the exam?

yes its after the written paper not sure but think we may get break after written paper for 10 mins not sure about that though!

jos360

nayrneleh wrote: »

Angewandte Grammatik - someone please help me with this.
I get it generally but I have no idea of the dative/accusative/etc. I just can't grasp it.
Some help would be much appreciated!

The cases are easy enough once you understand what everything in a sentence is doing.
You've probably heard your teacher say that the noun in the Nominative case is what does the action. The Akusative case is what the verb is done to directly.

This is usually easy enough to find:
eg. I play football. There are two nouns, 'I' and 'Football'. I am playing, and football is being played. So I is nomnative and football is ackusative.

Dative is usually adding some sort of condition to the sentence so:
'I play football with Fred' or 'I play football after school'.
I am still doing the action so I am in the nomnative case.
Football is still being played so it is in the ackusative case.
Fred or School are conditions also called indirect subjects. They arn't being played, there not playing, there just like tag ons to the sentence and these are in the Dative case.

Finaly we have Genetive case which we can avoid in our written work but need for the grammer section.
Take this English sentence for example : 'I drive the man's car'.
This is how we say this in english but we could also use the genetive case and say 'I drive the car of the man'. It sounds kinda stupid but it's correct.
If we are using someones name in german, we can just use the english style sentence for example: Ich fahre Freds Auto. But if we don't have a name to use for the owner of the car, we have to use the genetive case.
Ich fahre die Auto des Mannes. (I drive the car of the man).

So basically the genetive is for denoting possession.

The tricky bit is breaking down a sentence to find the Nom, Ack, Dat, Gen components, but after that it's just whether or not you have your der/die/das table learned off.

Hope that helps

bluesky94

Certain prepostions always take a certain case like
Dativ:
aus, bei, mit, seit, nach, von, zu, gegenuber

Akkusativ:
fur, durch, ohne, um, gegen, entlang, bis

Genitiv:
trotz, während, anstatt, wegen, ausserhalb/innerhalb

So if one of those prepostions is in front of the noun, you don't need to work out who is the doer or the subject because the noun is always in that case.

Hayezer

Thanks guys, this is very helpful

Hayezer

Anyone have any tips for the listening? Weather phrases, news phrases etc?

finality

Hayezer wrote: »

Anyone have any tips for the listening? Weather phrases, news phrases etc?

Tief = low front/ depression
Gewitter = thunderstorms

those come up really often

fizzyorange

I really need a C2 in German. Got a C3 in the mocks and am hoping to push everything up a grade or two. My oral went really well and I've improved so much on the aural, so I really am hoping for the best.

fizzyorange

finality wrote: »

Tief = low front/ depression
Gewitter = thunderstorms

those come up really often

Does Unwetter mean thunderstorm as well? I think it does but I feel like I might have gotten that mixed up.

finality

fizzyorange wrote: »

Does Unwetter mean thunderstorm as well? I think it does but I feel like I might have gotten that mixed up.

yeah it does

bluesky94

Hayezer wrote: »

Anyone have any tips for the listening? Weather phrases, news phrases etc?

stark bewölkt - very cloudy
einzelne Schauer / mit vereinzelten Schauern - scattered showers
heiter bis wolkig - clear to cloudy
zeitweise Regen - rain at times
sturmartige Winde - gale force winds
schauerartige Regenfälle - showers
bedeckt - overcast
Niederschlag - rain
Gewitter - thunderstorms
Tageshöchstemperaturen - highest daytime temperatures
niedrigere Temperaturen - lower temperatures
ein Tief - low pressure
ein Hoch - high pressure
schwül - humid
tagsüber warm - warm during the day

leaveiton

http://www.dw.de/dw/0,,13359,00.html

Everybody should watch this fantastic German webseries! :pac: (It actually is sort of helpful though)

finality

How much do you guys usually write for the letter? It's usually about 6-700 words for me, can't seem to write less.

earwax_man

finality wrote: »

I'm so excited about German. I can't wait. It's going to be so much fun, I actually love the German exam. The grammar section is my favourite part

Finally someone else

I can't wait for this exam, it's gonna be so much fun xD Doch die geilste Sprache aller Zeit :pac: Hoping for an A1

bluesky94 wrote: »

Certain prepostions always take a certain case like
Dativ:
aus, bei, mit, seit, nach, von, zu, gegenuber

Akkusativ:
fur, durch, ohne, um, gegen, entlang, bis

Genitiv:
trotz, während, anstatt, wegen, ausserhalb/innerhalb

So if one of those prepostions is in front of the noun, you don't need to work out who is the doer or the subject because the noun is always in that case.

Entlang can also be a postposition when accusative ("Den Fluss entlang") or a dative preposition ("Entlang dem Fluss")

leaveiton

Did a practice aural earlier and got 70/80, delighted! Much much MUCH better than the 48/80 I got in my mock! :P

bluesky94

earwax_man wrote: »

Entlang can also be a postposition when accusative ("Den Fluss entlang") or a dative preposition ("Entlang dem Fluss")

True, I didn't distinguish between post- and prepositions..
I've never seen entlang used as a Dativ preposition? We would have used 'am Fluss entlang...' or 'an der Strasse entlang..' In which case it's not the entlang, it's the an that is taking the dative. Would both of these be correct..?

As for the length of the letter, I think it would be hard to get all the content and expression marks with just 160 words.. That seems very short.. I also write about 600 words and think that is a safer bet. It's really the only chance you get to write the German you know so I'd say write as much relevant material as time will allow..

leaveiton

Does negative marking exist in the German aural, does anyone know?

emmamurphy233

Nope! You start at 0 and it's all uphill from there.

emmamurphy233

I desperately need an A1 Friday. Can somebody tell me what I need to study to get it? I'm pretty good at German, got 83% in the mock. I also feel I got at least 90 in the oral. I'm just not sure what to study for the Ausserung or letter, and I never seem to get more than 55 in listening. Any tips? Anyone?

Hayezer

emmamurphy233 wrote: »

I desperately need an A1 tomorrow. Can somebody tell me what I need to study to get it? I'm pretty good at German, got 83% in the mock. I also feel I got at least 90 in the oral. I'm just not sure what to study for the Ausserung or letter, and I never seem to get more than 55 in listening. Any tips? Anyone?

Nearly had a heart attack, Germans Friday :pac:

emmamurphy233

Hayezer wrote: »

emmamurphy233 wrote: »

I desperately need an A1 tomorrow. Can somebody tell me what I need to study to get it? I'm pretty good at German, got 83% in the mock. I also feel I got at least 90 in the oral. I'm just not sure what to study for the Ausserung or letter, and I never seem to get more than 55 in listening. Any tips? Anyone?

Nearly had a heart attack, Germans Friday :pac:

Oh god yeah! Slip of the tongue! Or keyboard... Sorry. :P

keyhole

this is the worst predictions page ever........ does anyone have any actual predictions?

Chavways

keyhole wrote: »

this is the worst predictions page ever........ does anyone have any actual predictions?

Predictions have already been proven to be pointless in the LC this year so theres little reason to do it.

bluesky94

I don't think you can really predict anything for German?
There will be two comprehensions, a grammar exercise, a letter/picture and a discussion on a theme. There are no specific topics on the syllabus so it's anyone's guess as to what will come up in these.
You are better off learning general phrases and expressions in my opinion.. You don't really need specialised vocab for any section, it's not expected. Maybe go over the grammar and possibly weather vocab as that is a guaranteed question in the news in the aural.. ?