Bodybuilding in the 1940's and 50's

shligo.bulker

Hey guys, after doing LOTS of research and finding out that 90% of modern day muscle building "facts" are really just a bunch of lies, iv decided to follow the same style of diet/training as the bodybuilders of the pre-steroid era such as the great Reg Park. Il be doing regs 5x5 soon but i cant find much info on the diets of the old school bodybuilders. Anybody here got any info or links?

Doug Cartel

There were were 66 years between the Wright brothers' first flight, and man landing on the moon. Now while training methods probably haven't developed quite as fast as aeronautics, you'd want to have a good reason to throw out 50 - 60 years of progress.

There's a lot of tap advice out there right now, but there was probably a lot of bad advice floating around back then. Just going back to the old advice without applying any critical thinking and research probably won't get you very far - and if you're going to go to the trouble of applying critical thinking and research, wouldn't you be best off doing that to sort the wheat from the chaff in modern practices?

deadlybuzzman

If you're looking to weed out the good advice from the hype and downright lies you could always just ask a couple of the bigger lads in your gym and sound them out.
At least then you know then that they do what they say they do and its not just some online trainer trying to make a name for himself by making daft claims.
The most important thing is to pick a tried and trusted template and STICK to it, so far we know youve done strongman low rep stuff then GVT 2.0 and now looking to change again, no harm changing if its going wrong but 6 months Id say would be a minimum length on a programme to really get the best from it

J-Fit

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Hey guys, after doing LOTS of research and finding out that 90% of modern day muscle building "facts" are really just a bunch of lies, iv decided to follow the same style of diet/training as the bodybuilders of the pre-steroid era such as the great Reg Park. Il be doing regs 5x5 soon but i cant find much info on the diets of the old school bodybuilders. Anybody here got any info or links?

Many of us tried to tell you that most of the stuff you'll hear like the 6 meals a day, or the no carbs after a certain time are bullcrap and you turned around and threw a hissy fit about how this forum is a joke. Why would you believe anyone now?

Hanley

J-Fit wrote: »

Many of us tried to tell you that most of the stuff you'll hear like the 6 meals a day, or the no carbs after a certain time are bullcrap and you turned around and threw a hissy fit about how this forum is a joke. Why would you believe anyone now?

+1

Transform

Read muscle, smoke and mirrors by randy Roche.
Covers most of it

Raven_Melody

Thinking too much makes you fat.

Training makes you less fat.

True story.

shligo.bulker

Hanley wrote: »

J-Fit wrote: »

Many of us tried to tell you that most of the stuff you'll hear like the 6 meals a day, or the no carbs after a certain time are bullcrap and you turned around and threw a hissy fit about how this forum is a joke. Why would you believe anyone now?

+1

Jesus what is up with some of you guys here? First off, i made a topic APOLOGISING and THANKING the people that opened my eyes. And second, why the hell cant people stay on topic without bringing up things that were said in previous topics. Smfh

shligo.bulker

Doug Cartel wrote: »

There were were 66 years between the Wright brothers' first flight, and man landing on the moon. Now while training methods probably haven't developed quite as fast as aeronautics, you'd want to have a good reason to throw out 50 - 60 years of progress.

There's a lot of tap advice out there right now, but there was probably a lot of bad advice floating around back then. Just going back to the old advice without applying any critical thinking and research probably won't get you very far - and if you're going to go to the trouble of applying critical thinking and research, wouldn't you be best off doing that to sort the wheat from the chaff in modern practices?

Because modern practices benefit the steroid users more than the natural lifters.

Hanley

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Jesus what is up with some of you guys here? First off, i made a topic APOLOGISING and THANKING the people that opened my eyes. And second, why the hell cant people stay on topic without bringing up things that were said in previous topics. Smfh

Because you're flipping to extreme's again.

If you do your 40s/50s routine you're going to come back in a few weeks again disappointed with results. You'll ask about another gimmick, you'll get told, again that the middle of road approach is probably best. There was a lot of good advice in the GVT thread. Maybe apply some of that instead?

For someone SO sure of what they're doing, you're very enquiring.

Doug Cartel

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Because modern practices benefit the steroid users more than the natural lifters.

Practices from the 40's probably benefit steroid users more than natural lifters as well. I believe that is one of the main reasons that people take steroids - so that they can get more out of their weight lifting sessions.

shligo.bulker

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

If you're looking to weed out the good advice from the hype and downright lies you could always just ask a couple of the bigger lads in your gym and sound them out.
At least then you know then that they do what they say they do and its not just some online trainer trying to make a name for himself by making daft claims.
The most important thing is to pick a tried and trusted template and STICK to it, so far we know youve done strongman low rep stuff then GVT 2.0 and now looking to change again, no harm changing if its going wrong but 6 months Id say would be a minimum length on a programme to really get the best from it

No offence but saying to ask the biggest guys in the gym is the worst advice ever. Any gym iv been in, the biggest guys are on steroids and also just geneticly gifted. I spent years taking advice from "the biggest guys" that i know. One guy was huge despite partying and doing drugs all the time, eating nothing but junk, and did 50 pushups a day. A good friend of mine he was, and told me to just do 50 pushups a day coz thats what worked for him. Needless to say i got nowhere. Lots of other big guys told me to try other useless "routines" like that too. Point is, some lucky guys are just naturally big even if they sit on their ass all day. Just coz someones big does not mean they know anything about training. I appriciate your comment tho, at least you didnt come in being a dick. As for the "gvt", i ended up not doing it. The thought of lifting such incredibly light weight just put me off. Im weak enough as it is without losing more strength lol

Doug Cartel

shligo.bulker wrote: »

As for the "gvt", i ended up not doing it. The thought of lifting such incredibly light weight just put me off. Im weak enough as it is without losing more strength lol

Words fail me.

shligo.bulker

Hanley wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Jesus what is up with some of you guys here? First off, i made a topic APOLOGISING and THANKING the people that opened my eyes. And second, why the hell cant people stay on topic without bringing up things that were said in previous topics. Smfh

Because you're flipping to extreme's again.

If you do your 40s/50s routine you're going to come back in a few weeks again disappointed with results. You'll ask about another gimmick, you'll get told, again that the middle of road approach is probably best. There was a lot of good advice in the GVT thread. Maybe apply some of that instead?

For someone SO sure of what they're doing, you're very enquiring.

Obviously im not gonna ditch ALL modern methods. And why do you say im "SO sure" of what im doing? Am i meant to just agree with every little thing you guys say? Gees, sorry for having my own opinions lmao

shligo.bulker

Why is it so hard for you guys to stay on topic anyway? And what exactly is it that you have against me? From the moment iv came here iv encountered nothing but hostility from angry little keyboard warriors with a "know it all" complex. I rarely get a straight answer to a question, instead my topics get bombarded with comments relating to previous threads iv made. Seriously, wtf?!

Gummy Panda

Transform wrote: »

Read muscle, smoke and mirrors by randy Roche.
Covers most of it

Good book?

Nervous Wreck

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Why is it so hard for you guys to stay on topic anyway? And what exactly is it that you have against me? From the moment iv came here iv encountered nothing but hostility from angry little keyboard warriors with a "know it all" complex. I rarely get a straight answer to a question, instead my topics get bombarded with comments relating to previous threads iv made. Seriously, wtf?!

It's probably because you constantly ask for advice and then completely reject it.

Doug Cartel

Actually, back in the 40s I think they were still more into overhead pressing instead of bench pressing. (Right?)

I think overhead lifts are much more impressive than one performed while lying on your back - how the hell did the bench press become so fashionable?

shligo.bulker

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Actually, back in the 40s I think they were still more into overhead pressing instead of bench pressing. (Right?)

I think overhead lifts are much more impressive than one performed while lying on your back - how the hell did the bench press become so fashionable?

Exactly! Imo the overhead press is a millon times more impressive than ANY other lift. When i watch videos on youtube of guys overhead pressing 100kg+ i find it much more impressive than someone deadlifting 200kg-300kg or benching 150kg-200kg. Overhead press is my favourite lift to perform as well.

shligo.bulker

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Why is it so hard for you guys to stay on topic anyway? And what exactly is it that you have against me? From the moment iv came here iv encountered nothing but hostility from angry little keyboard warriors with a "know it all" complex. I rarely get a straight answer to a question, instead my topics get bombarded with comments relating to previous threads iv made. Seriously, wtf?!

It's probably because you constantly ask for advice and then completely reject it.

I only reject advice when im 90% sure its wrong. Example when a guy in this thread said the best advice comes from the biggest guys, something i know for a fact is wrong. What am i meant to do, agree with everybody all the time even when i disagree? Lmao thats not my style, im not some mindless yes man.

shligo.bulker

Imo the best advice comes from a guy that used to be a scrawny weed but is now fairly big. Unfortunatly i dont know a single person that has done it successfuly. Everybody i know is either skinny, fat or else just naturally big.

Doug Cartel

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Exactly! Imo the overhead press is a millon times more impressive than ANY other lift. When i watch videos on youtube of guys overhead pressing 100kg+ i find it much more impressive than someone deadlifting 200kg-300kg or benching 150kg-200kg. Overhead press is my favourite lift to perform as well.

But you could train overhead presses using modern methods. In fact many modern programs have plenty of overhead pressing in them.

My last post was just an a random off-topic musing I had - I wasn't endorsing going back to old methods.

Doug Cartel

shligo.bulker wrote: »

I only reject advice when im 90% sure its wrong.

Have you ever heard of the Dunning Kruger effect?

Hanley

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Have you ever heard of the Dunning Kruger effect?

Straight up ROFLcopter just landed in my back garden

shligo.bulker

Doug Cartel wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Exactly! Imo the overhead press is a millon times more impressive than ANY other lift. When i watch videos on youtube of guys overhead pressing 100kg+ i find it much more impressive than someone deadlifting 200kg-300kg or benching 150kg-200kg. Overhead press is my favourite lift to perform as well.

But you could train overhead presses using modern methods. In fact many modern programs have plenty of overhead pressing in them.

My last post was just an a random off-topic musing I had - I wasn't endorsing going back to old methods.

I know many modern programs have overhead pressing. But methods like reg parks 5x5 are still popular today and have been proven to work. Im just saying that full body workouts 3 days a week like that always gave me better results than any other methods. Im not saying that im gonna do EVERYTHING the old bodybuilders did. But reg park in particular did have great knowledge about building muscle.

shligo.bulker

Doug Cartel wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

I only reject advice when im 90% sure its wrong.

Have you ever heard of the Dunning Kruger effect?

wow what a great site this is when even the mods are patronising and insulting. A few of you mods are very passive agressive and on a power trip. Enjoy having your little bit of "power" on the net anyway.

Duck's hoop

I dunno man, you might be taking things a little personally, maybe?

I mean if this was IRL, say in a bar after a workout, drinking a protein spritzer, wouldn't you expect a bit of to and fro? Banter? Differing opinions and slagging?

It seems a lot of people come on here and there's a bit of slagging and people immediately go on the defensive, ''how dare you mock me'' - I mean you're asking total strangers, it's amazing that there's not a lot more piss taking really.

And in fairness, you got advice.

shligo.bulker

Duck's hoop wrote: »

I dunno man, you might be taking things a little personally, maybe?

I mean if this was IRL, say in a bar after a workout, drinking a protein spritzer, wouldn't you expect a bit of to and fro? Banter? Differing opinions and slagging?

It seems a lot of people come on here and there's a bit of slagging and people immediately go on the defensive, ''how dare you mock me'' - I mean you're asking total strangers, it's amazing that there's not a lot more piss taking really.

And in fairness, you got advice.

Lol iv been on too many forums to take things on the net personally. And im all for havin a slaggin match but it seems every time im here everybody seems to "gang up" just because i have my own opinions. Hasnt happened me on any other site, and iv been on loads. Just goes to show how ignorant the people here in ireland are really.

Doug Cartel

shligo.bulker wrote: »

wow what a great site this is when even the mods are patronising and insulting.

That wasn't a patronising comment. Not that patronising anyway.

Seriously, you only reject advice when you're 90% sure it's wrong? Why would anyone reject advice that they weren't sure was wrong? People go rejecting good advice all the time and they're all probably at least 90% sure that good advice they got was wrong.

I feel you're asking questions as if you already know the answers. What's the point of that?

Dathai

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Imo the best advice comes from a guy that used to be a scrawny weed but is now fairly big. Unfortunatly i dont know a single person that has done it successfuly. Everybody i know is either skinny, fat or else just naturally big.

I guarantee you the guy that was skinny and got built, was the same dude that listened to people more experienced than him, took their advice, got a plan and stuck to it.

grimloch

Believe it or not, nobody here is out to get you.

You say you've been at this for years, it sounds like you've done a fair whack of reading but you probably need to accept you don't know as much as you think you do.

Judging by your thread on diet the other week, you probably dont' have a good handle on how to eat and the numbers you posted up are poor considering how long you've been at this so you probably don't know how to set up a decent programme either.

You say you've had good results before on all body routines, that's great. I think you could benefit greatly from picking a cookie cutter all body routine you fancy the look or, not tinkering around with it and actually sticking it out for more than a few weeks.

It sounds like you really want to be big and strong and that enthusiasm is probably half the battle, stick with a programme, eat like a champ and come back here in 12 months unable to wipe your own arse with all the muscle mass you've accrued.

pecker1992

shligo.bulker wrote: »

i have my own opinions.

If your so desperate for help in your quest to gain muscle then let go of your opinions. Have a listen to some of the guys on here..they know there stuff!!!...now for the advice...

Eat Well : pretty much all whole foods

Lift Heavy : mixture of compound and isolation

Sleep Well : 6-8 hrs minimum

Most important..stop overcomplicating matters for your own sake!!!

If want advice from someone who gained reasonably well (I consider it reasonable anyway)...your getting it.....i gained 20lbs in just over a year and kept a 30'' waist while doing it...

(I should add that I could have gained more but as a martial artist...I need to keep to a certain weight for when tournaments etc come round)

shligo.bulker

grimloch wrote: »

Believe it or not, nobody here is out to get you.

You say you've been at this for years, it sounds like you've done a fair whack of reading but you probably need to accept you don't know as much as you think you do.

Judging by your thread on diet the other week, you probably dont' have a good handle on how to eat and the numbers you posted up are poor considering how long you've been at this so you probably don't know how to set up a decent programme either.

You say you've had good results before on all body routines, that's great. I think you could benefit greatly from picking a cookie cutter all body routine you fancy the look or, not tinkering around with it and actually sticking it out for more than a few weeks.

It sounds like you really want to be big and strong and that enthusiasm is probably half the battle, stick with a programme, eat like a champ and come back here in 12 months unable to wipe your own arse with all the muscle mass you've accrued.

Thanks for the response, some good constructive critisism there. The whole post is 100% correct. Yes i have done tonnes of research and im the first to admit that im far from an expert.

Nervous Wreck

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Lol iv been on too many forums to take things on the net personally. And im all for havin a slaggin match but it seems every time im here everybody seems to "gang up" just because i have my own opinions. Hasnt happened me on any other site, and iv been on loads. Just goes to show how ignorant the people here in ireland are really.

I'd argue that it 'just goes to show' how eager people on this forum are to share their knowledge. For instance, if it wasn't for Jayroc, I'd still be in Jackie Skellys pumping out reps on a smith machine. If it wasn't for COH, I probably still wouldn't have squatted over 130kg. If it wasn't for ItsallabouttheL, I probably wouldn't love cheeseburgers so much. Etc. Just chill out, take the slaggings with a grain of salt and listen to the advice.

deadlybuzzman

shligo.bulker wrote: »

No offence but saying to ask the biggest guys in the gym is the worst advice ever. Any gym iv been in, the biggest guys are on steroids and also just geneticly gifted. I spent years taking advice from "the biggest guys" that i know. One guy was huge despite partying and doing drugs all the time, eating nothing but junk, and did 50 pushups a day. A good friend of mine he was, and told me to just do 50 pushups a day coz thats what worked for him. Needless to say i got nowhere. Lots of other big guys told me to try other useless "routines" like that too. Point is, some lucky guys are just naturally big even if they sit on their ass all day. Just coz someones big does not mean they know anything about training. I appriciate your comment tho, at least you didnt come in being a dick. As for the "gvt", i ended up not doing it. The thought of lifting such incredibly light weight just put me off. Im weak enough as it is without losing more strength lol

I said one of the bigger guys not the biggest as like you said theres a fair chance juice could be involved.
I dont know who youve been taking advice off until now but as it happens every 2nd guy in the mercy gym seemed to be doing 5x5 last time I was in there and you have the usual mix of those getting on well with it and those that arent, and that boils down to eating enough every day and doing the programme fully

Duck's hoop

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I'd argue that it 'just goes to show' how eager people on this forum are to share their knowledge. For instance, if it wasn't for Jayroc, I'd still be in Jackie Skellys pumping out reps on a smith machine. If it wasn't for COH, I probably still wouldn't have squatted over 130kg. If it wasn't for ItsallabouttheL, I probably wouldn't love cheeseburgers so much. Etc. Just chill out, take the slaggings with a grain of salt and listen to the advice.

Spot on.

Brian?

Lads, can we forget what shligo.bulker did or didn't do in previous posts and stick to the topic at hand.

Shligo.bulker, everybody is not out to get you.

Gummy Panda

Have you ever thought about paying someone experienced and knowledgeable to assess you and make a program?

GASMANN

shligo.bulker wrote: »

No offence but saying to ask the biggest guys in the gym is the worst advice ever. Any gym iv been in, the biggest guys are on steroids and also just geneticly gifted. I spent years taking advice from "the biggest guys" that i know. One guy was huge despite partying and doing drugs all the time, eating nothing but junk, and did 50 pushups a day. A good friend of mine he was, and told me to just do 50 pushups a day coz thats what worked for him. Needless to say i got nowhere. Lots of other big guys told me to try other useless "routines" like that too. Point is, some lucky guys are just naturally big even if they sit on their ass all day. Just coz someones big does not mean they know anything about training. I appriciate your comment tho, at least you didnt come in being a dick. As for the "gvt", i ended up not doing it. The thought of lifting such incredibly light weight just put me off. Im weak enough as it is without losing more strength lol

that steroid remark is some line bulker. the biggest guys in my gym work hard at it every day. simples.

gvt incredibly light weights - you mad or wha ? i done a 10x10 squat today and literally was on the floor after the last rep of the 100. that shyt did not feel light.

Mellor

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Why is it so hard for you guys to stay on topic anyway? And what exactly is it that you have against me? From the moment iv came here iv encountered nothing but hostility from angry little keyboard warriors with a "know it all" complex. I rarely get a straight answer to a question, instead my topics get bombarded with comments relating to previous threads iv made. Seriously, wtf?!

It's the way you have responded to criticism and advice that causes people to be so blunt with you. When people tried to help, you responses have been aggressive if you didn't agree. For example, somebody suggested to drink milk to make up the missing 1000 cals, and you told they that they were stupid and that milk makes you fat.
I'm not trying to drag up the past, but your above question was about posting history.

You've had quite a few threads, on a range of topics, but they can basically be broken down into diet issues and training issues.
There is huge scope for customising of diet and training to suit your preferences but only when you have the basic elements nailed down. Stop worrying about meal timing, thermic effect of food, and the marginal differences between sweet potatoes and regualr. for now, just focus on Calories, Protein, Fats and Carbs.

Diet
From memory, you were aiming for 3000 cals, and were roughly 72kg. So working off those numbers, lets say;

Protein: 200g (27%)
Fat: 100g (30%)
Carbs: 325g (43%)

For now, just follow a simple diet to get to those numbers. Chicken, tuna, mince (regular not lean), peanut butter, avocado, coconut milk/butter, rice, pasta, potatoes. Add in what ever fruit and veg and herbs and spices you like to make enjoyable meals.
There's no point discussing he advantages of 40s bodybuilding over steroid based training, or GVT vrs 5x5 if you aren't hitting the calories and protein for growth.


Training
Pick a program.
Go do it for 12 weeks.

It doesn't matter if its a modern 5x5 like Starting strength, Texas method or Madcow, or an older one like Bill Starr or Reg Park. Or even GVT or 20 rep squats.

If you want to do Reg park 5x5 then go for it.
Log it and it and give it a genuine shot.
It starts like this;

45-degree back extension 3x10
Back squat 5x5
Bench press 5x5
Deadlift 5x5

That's it for 3 months, 3 times a week.
The similarities with other programs are obvious. At 3 months you add in more lifts. But there is still no isolation for 6 months. At 6 months it looks like;

45-degree back extension 4x10
Front squat 5x5
Back squat 5x5
Standing barbell shoulder press 5x5
Bench press 5x5
Bent-over barbell row 5x5
Deadlift 5x3
Behind-the-neck press or one-arm dumbbell press 5x5
Barbell curl 5x5
Lying triceps extension 5x8
Standing barbell calf raise 5x25

That's 54 sets, and at least a 3 hour session. Every second day, and you'll probably want to spend the rest days very still on the couch moving only for food.
Reg was a professional bodybuilder. Unless you can train like a professional bodybuilder, then that program isn't for you.

If you want to train more often, or with smaller sessions, or don't want be in constant pain, then you should follow one of the other 5x5's that go with a 2 or 3 day split.
But ultimately just go do one of them.

Da Za

Forget what those small boyz did back then.

It's all about the KettleWorx system now. That coupled with the Atkins diet and you'll lose fat, put on a tonne of clean mass and be strong as hell.

BOOM

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Da Za wrote: »

Forget what those small boyz did back then.

It's all about the KettleWorx system now. That coupled with the Atkins diet and you'll lose fat, put on a tonne of clean mass and be strong as hell.

BOOM

Rubbish, just do what Chuck Norris does, if you dare ask him.

ferike1

Do whatever Steeve Reeve's did

Tigger

Mellor wrote: »

45-degree back extension 4x10
Front squat 5x5
Back squat 5x5
Standing barbell shoulder press 5x5
Bench press 5x5
Bent-over barbell row 5x5
Deadlift 5x3
Behind-the-neck press or one-arm dumbbell press 5x5
Barbell curl 5x5
Lying triceps extension 5x8
Standing barbell calf raise 5x25

That's 54 sets, and at least a 3 hour session. Every second day, and you'll probably want to spend the rest days very still on the couch moving only for food.
Reg was a professional bodybuilder. Unless you can train like a professional

If you want to train more often, or with smaller sessions, or don't want be in constant pain, then you should follow one of the other 5x5's that go with a 2 or 3 day split.
But ultimately just go do one of them.

sounds hard

Da Za wrote: »

Forget what those small boyz did back then.

It's all about the KettleWorx system now. That coupled with the Atkins diet and you'll lose fat, put on a tonne of clean mass and be strong as hell.

BOOM

sounds easy should i drink supplenents with that?

Tigger

ferike1 wrote: »

Do whatever Steeve Reeve's did

i thought it was accepted he was a juicer

ferike1

Oh really? If that is true its a shame

I just thought he was one of those old school Gallon of milk a day to get big guys.

Here is a pic of him at 15. Boy is a freak of nature! I don't buy the steroids.

Hanley

ferike1 wrote: »

Do whatever Steeve Reeve's did

Have amazing genetics?

ferike1

Hanley wrote: »

Have amazing genetics?

Well its a good start.

Transform

Tigger wrote: »

i thought it was accepted he was a juicer

It would be amazing if he did take gear (ESP when that photo was taken) as he was well before the pre-steroid era.

Steroids and all the associated drugs were really only taken in big amounts (compared to today) in the 1970s. 1960s they were just getting a handle on steroids.

Brian?

Transform wrote: »

It would be amazing if he did take gear (ESP when that photo was taken) as he was well before the pre-steroid era.

Steroids and all the associated drugs were really only taken in big amounts (compared to today) in the 1970s. 1960s they were just getting a handle on steroids.

I could be wrong but wasn't Reeves one of the first BBs to take Dbol? I was sure I'd read that somewhere.

Edit: I might be mixing him up with Reg Parks.

Transform

briankeating wrote: »

I could be wrong but wasn't Reeves one of the first BBs to take Dbol? I was sure I'd read that somewhere.

Edit: I might be mixing him up with Reg Parks.

You're right it was reg parks.

Dbol was taken like smarties by most bodybuilders and Olympic lifters in the 1960s and then ramped it up big time with doses and injectables in 1970s.

Personally I like the look of the guys around the pre and when they just started taking drugs in small amounts

Big zane fan - http://www.musclesprod.com/mr-olympia-winnners/frank-zanebiographypictures-and-videos/

And Sergio - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Oliva

When you read what these guys were lifting at 18yrs old is just amazing.

Overall, you got to get brutally strong by what ever means necessary