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Chiropractor or Physio
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03-06-2012 12:16pm#1
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Common sense - It's common.
random w@nkers … just that.opinion guy wrote: »Really ?
Well it seems you forgot to post the links.
Post up the papers pubmed links and I'll gladly track em down and read em.
Yep really – here you go.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18204390“We didn't see any increased association between chiropractic care and usual family physician care, and the stroke,” said Frank Silver, one of the researchers and also a professor of medicine at the University of Toronto and director of the University Health Network stroke program.
“The association occurs because patients tend to seek care when they're having neck pain or headache, and sometimes they go to a chiropractor, sometimes they go to a physician. But we didn't see an increased likelihood of them having this type of stroke after seeing a chiropractor.”
Co-author David Cassidy, a senior scientist at the University Health Network and a professor of epidemiology at the University of Toronto, said: “If someone says ‘Has it ever happened that a chiropractor has caused a stroke?' I can't say it's never happened. But if it's happening, it's not happening at a greater risk than when it is in a GP office.”
A research paper published in 2001 in the Canadian Medical Association Journal found there is only a one-in-5.85-million risk which cannot be proved or disproved that chiropractic might be associated with stroke (not linked to or causing but associated – confused? Read on),
The study showed that stroke occurred a short time after 1 in 5.85 million chiropractic neck interventions. One in almost six million?? Huh? How many strokes occur after a cup of tea? Or even any other daily activity – what about looking up? Straining to go to the toilet? What constitutes an association?
To create a study capable of proving or disproving an association or not, you would have to adjust 6 million people with a higher than average risk of stroke to see if one of them had an event related to that adjustment. To prove or disprove a link, a study would have to involve 600 million people to get a study group of perhaps 100 adjustment related strokes. This is an impossibility and the reason why such a red herring has continued to exist.
On examination, many of the strokes quoted in the literature have been falsely attributed to chiropractors when in fact the person carrying out the manipulation was not a trained chiropractor (examples include a kung fu practitioner, a blind masseur, someone’s wife, an Indian barber, GPs, osteopaths, and physiotherapists).
In a German study published in Neurology in 2006, an attempt was again made to link chiropractic and stroke when in fact none of those adjustments/ manipulations were carried out by chiropractors. Half of the manipulations (not skilled chiropractic adjustments) that resulted in stroke were carried out by orthopaedic surgeons the other half by untrained unqualified heilopraktkers masquerading as ‘chiro-practitioners.’
In over thirty years involving billions of chiropractic adjustments in the US, there were ten cases of death within any sort of period of time that followed neck manipulation. Nine of these were carried out by medical doctors, even though chiropractors perform 94% of the cervical manipulations/ adjustments in America. In other words, medical manipulators caused 90% of the lethal complications in less than 6% of all those being manipulated, which sends out a strong message for the quality of care and safety of chiropractic.
Sorry now hold on; it follows then that if the figure of association was one in six million for neck manipulation that figure now looks more like one in 60 million for chiropractic adjustments. The study group then needed to prove or disprove it? Yes that’s right, it would require six billion people all at a higher than average risk of stroke being adjusted and monitored pre and post adjustment for twenty four to forty eights hours after and then all that information collated, collaborated and reviewed – now you can see why it can neither be proved nor disproved. It is a red herring.
Put into perspective, what are the risks for every day activities and medication promoted everyday? Reversing the car, jogging, taking HRT, blood pressure medication, cholesterol lowering medication, even taking a neurofen, a pain killer or an anti-inflammatory instead of being adjusted?
Even if we were to agree this estimate of association of one in six million, this is over 700 times lower than the established risk of death from taking anti-inflammatories such as aspirin and ibuprofen, yet these are prescribed everyday for head, neck and back pain. The figure of association is also much less than that associated with many everyday activities including reversing a car, jogging, tai chi, various sleeping positions, coughing, stooping to get a bucket and even yawning.Yes you are more likely to die from yawning than a chiropractic adjustment. Now do you see it?0 -
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I've had a bad back for 25 years.
I have tried EVERYTHING except sacrificing a goat in a pentangle of black candles.....
in the Early years (LATE 80S EARLY 90S) I was told by the dr to rest, there was nothing they could do. So I went to a Canadian trained Chiro in Bangor (NI) two sessions and I was fixed. this needed repeated every 9 months or so.....
then He went off the scene for a while and I tried another (australian trained) chiro in Glengormley. Useless.
eventually ended up with two lady Chiros in Carrickfergus. not AS superb as the bangor bloke, but MUCH better than the Glengormley one..... but then this was a few years of deterioration down the road......
as to Xrays etc, the Carrick girls did a spinal muscle scan testing for heat and tension in the muscles. a computer printout showed which muscles were being worked too hard and over time these were seen on the scans to be improving, which coincided with releif.
they also sent me to another chiropractor who had X ray facilities in his practice for a series of Xrays.
here's one of them.
taken by a chiropractor in his practice, in Glengormley (in the north)
meanwhile my conventional dr had sent me to pain management a clinic which let to 2 MRI scans which diagnose that a couple of discs are screwed. (my term!) I was sent to physio where I was put in traction (agony..... much worse!!) and had one session of acupuncture (a slight help, but not enough to pay for more sessions)
I'm now waiting for surgery.
in MY CASE...... early on, Chiropractors helped....... sometimes........
if you have no relief after 3 visits, try another one.0 -
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