The Yes vote has it

raymon

Looks like yes vote has it looking at tallies this morning according to RTE

The middle class votes overwhelmingly Yes whereas working class areas seem to have a lower Yes .

beeftotheheels

raymon wrote: »

Looks like yes vote has it looking at tallies this morning according to RTE

The middle class votes overwhelmingly Yes whereas working class areas seem to have a lower Yes .

And the farmers, don't forget the farmers....

_Kaiser_

Well that's it so.. Austerity for all some, and economic servitude for years to come! Plus it'll convince the government that they're doing a great job too! :rolleyes:

Well done

loveisdivine

Considering in most places less than 50% of boxes have been opened, I think its a little early to call it.

Donegal North East has 60% of boxes open and the no has it.

Tazz T

On the bright side the government can take the blame for all that's to follow.

They've just killed their re-election hopes.

ibarelycare

Hope you're right OP but I definitely think it's too early to tell. Going by the RTE live updates, it's still very close.

johngalway

loveisdivine wrote: »

Considering in most places less than 50% of boxes have been opened, I think its a little early to call it.

Donegal North East has 60% of boxes open and the no has it.

I don't think anyone would be surprised at Donegal voting no, nor would they think it is representative of a national trend.

_Kaiser_

Tazz T wrote: »

On the bright side the government can take the blame for all that's to follow.

They've just killed their re-election hopes.

Doesn't matter.. like their predecessors they'll just waltz off into the sunset with their fat pensions (that we pay for) rather than face the electorate

raymon

ibarelycare wrote: »

Hope you're right OP but I definitely think it's too early to tell. Going by the RTE live updates, it's still very close.

If Joe Higgins is conceding then I think it is probably Yes.

oscarBravo

Tazz T wrote: »

They've just killed their re-election hopes.

They were always going to have a difficult election: they inherited an economic clusterf*ck, which they had no choice but to make difficult decisions to address, and despite the fact that they've shied away from most of the really tough decisions, they will be up against an opposition that claims we don't need austerity at all.

Democracy: giving electorates the government they deserve for centuries.

meglome

oscarBravo wrote: »

Democracy: giving electorates the government they deserve for centuries.

I laughed... then I was sad.

BlitzKrieg

1042 Joe Higgins has said this has been one of the most shameful campaigns, with fear as a major tool of the Government.

He said the right questions were not asked. He said no-one asked why we would actually need the funds from the European Stability Mechanism.

...

*sigh*

StealthRolex

Traditionally in EU referenda we always vote the wrong way the first time

tipptom

This is a done duck,Tipp south 60/40 in favour of the yes vote,Seamus Healys strong hold,Dublin central much similiar.

Waitsian

They will reap what they sow. So be it.

smokingman

raymon wrote: »

If Joe Higgins is conceding then I think it is probably Yes.

He's always conceding, makes him look like the poor downtrodden character he tries to portray instead of the aidrian kennedy of politics he is.

tipptom

The yes vote crew is growing more confident in dublin because the voter turn out is higher in the more affluent areas of Dublin,that tells a story.

PopeBuckfastXVI

tipptom wrote: »

The yes vote crew is growing more confident in dublin because the voter turn out is higher in the more affluent areas of Dublin,that tells a story.

Perhaps voters in the less affluent areas did not want to vote yes, but weren't overly comfortable with voting no either, so they stayed at home?

theteal

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Perhaps voters in the less affluent areas did not want to vote yes, but weren't overly comfortable with voting no either, so they stayed at home?

I'd say it's just a case of a lot of people being disillusioned and not bothering to vote as they don't think it makes a difference.

The below jumped out at me on the RTE live feed

1045 Dublin city is currently showing the Yes vote leading in four of the six constituencies.
But the city is showing a strong social divide in the early tallies, with a strong No vote in Dublin South Central and Dublin North West.
The No vote was nearly 90% in parts of Balllyfermot

PopeBuckfastXVI

From RTÉ:

Socialist MEP Paul Murphy said early tallies would point to "strong class polarisation".
"Working class areas are strongly voting no, more affluent areas voting yes," Mr Murphy said.
A win for the yes side "wouldn't be a massive surprise", he said, as "that's what the polls have indicated".

So we have 2 points here, working class areas vote 'no', affluent areas vote 'yes'. The 'yes' side won, so does that mean that there are more affluent areas than working class areas and the country is doing something right?

C14N

Is the decision based on the number of areas that said no vs the number that said yes or is it based on the total number of votes counted?

bookworms

The sheeple have voted!

PopeBuckfastXVI

C14N wrote: »

Is the decision based on the number of areas that said no vs the number that said yes or is it based on the total number of votes counted?

Total number of votes.

donalg1

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

...

*sigh*

Couldnt Joe have asked these questions!!

donalg1

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

From RTÉ:



So we have 2 points here, working class areas vote 'no', affluent areas vote 'yes'. The 'yes' side won, so does that mean that there are more affluent areas than working class areas and the country is doing something right?

No it just means that the affluent areas have more BMW's and Merc's to get to the polling stations in, sure we couldnt go anywhere without our BMW's a few years ago

tipptom

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

From RTÉ:



So we have 2 points here, working class areas vote 'no', affluent areas vote 'yes'. The 'yes' side won, so does that mean that there are more affluent areas than working class areas and the country is doing something right?

Ha Ha,this recession is growing affluence,I would say that the working class did not turn out because they knew this was a "fait accompli" back in febuary when the blackmail clause was signed up and they said you will never beat "the Man"to use an American parlance.I dont think there could be any doubt that this vote would be a differant one if they did not have that armegeddon stick to beat us with,they knew that and stuck febuarys little ruse on for us to digest.

clintondaly

Zeit anfangen deutsch lernen:mad:

PopeBuckfastXVI

tipptom wrote: »

Ha Ha,this recession is growing affluence,I would say that the working class did not turn out because they knew this was a "fait accompli" back in febuary when the blackmail clause was signed up and they said you will never beat "the Man"to use an American parlance.I dont think there could be any doubt that this vote would be a differant one if they did not have that armegeddon stick to beat us with,they knew that and stuck febuarys little ruse on for us to digest.

So people would have voted against the treaty if the most positive aspect of the treaty had been removed?

Thanks for that succinct analysis.

smokingman

So now that our politicians are bound to not going crazy with our money like FF did, how good a job do you think they'll do of it?; given that we don't really have anyone in Irish politics actually qualified for their portfolios in the first place....

Is it no wonder the higher levels of the PS actually run the country instead of the parish pump figureheads we decide to elect every time?

stevedublin

Do we get to vote on this a second time, like the Lisbon treaty?

stevedublin

In 6 months time? I suspect the results would be different!

ArmaniJeanss

stevedublin wrote: »

Do we get to vote on this a second time, like the Lisbon treaty?

Simply elect a government who campaign on a platform of undoing this referendum.

donalg1

stevedublin wrote: »

Do we get to vote on this a second time, like the Lisbon treaty?

No because the yes vote seems to be going through first time round, we finally learned how to vote properly.

808SOS

looks like it will be close but not close enough
its going to be YES oh no.

I hope we all realise after the recent [yesterday] news about spain and the possible trouble it may be in that if they need assistance - our assistance will be redirected to spain beacause lets face it our 4.5 million population simply wont matter until it comes to austerity to help with spain's bailout!

go YES - it all sounded good . . . .

we as a country aimed down at out feet and pulled the trigger . . .

well the people that managed toget up off their ar8es and voted - yes

the ones that didnt vote have no say

Eramen

It seems old crossed-eyed Paddy wants more euro welfare checks passed his way.

He's far too afraid to pull his own weight and forge a more independent path. Such an unconfident people we have become.

oscarBravo

smokingman wrote: »

So now that our politicians are bound to not going crazy with our money like FF did, how good a job do you think they'll do of it?;

It's not left up to them. That was part of the problem in the past. We'll have an independent statutory body whose job it is to tell the government "you can't pull that stunt, it's in breach of our treaty commitments."

Which can only be a good thing.

808SOS

Eramen wrote: »

It seems old crossed-eyed Paddy wants more euro welfare checks passed his way.

He's far too afraid to pull his own weight and forge a more independent path. Such an unconfident people we have become.

i would have to agree

tipptom

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

So people would have voted against the treaty if the most positive aspect of the treaty had been removed?

Thanks for that succinct analysis.

So to add a clause to scare people to the way you want them to vote is"the most positive aspect of the treaty",wow thanks for that succinct analysis,your a funny guy.

C14N

Dublin North was 64% yes, Dublin midwest was 49% yes.

I'm kind of surprised at those figures. I though No would have been stronger there.

Lemlin

I find the No side very contradictory to be honest.

In one sentence they are complaining about how fat cat politicians have ruined our country and disappear off with their pay pensions that we pay for.

In another, they are saying that we shouldn't cede more control to Europe.

In a country where people are so disillusioned with the larger parties that Sinn Fein are gaining more percentage points every day, and people elect the likes of Joe Higgins and Mick Wallace, I don't see any problem with handing more power over to Europe.

Our own politicians have shown they cannot be trusted.

oscarBravo

tipptom wrote: »

So to add a clause to scare people to the way you want them to vote is"the most positive aspect of the treaty",wow thanks for that succinct analysis,your a funny guy.

I love this idea that twenty five countries - including Ireland - sat down together and agreed on a wording whose purpose was to scare the Irish people into voting for that treaty.

We really have a bizarrely inflated sense of our own importance.

PopeBuckfastXVI

tipptom wrote: »

So to add a clause to scare people to the way you want them to vote is"the most positive aspect of the treaty",wow thanks for that succinct analysis,your a funny guy.

Does you bank manager 'scare you' into signing the conditions of your loan by making those conditions a condition of the loan?

808SOS

oscarBravo wrote: »

We really have a bizarrely inflated sense of our own importance.

ha, thats what i eluded to in my post above

johnnyskeleton

theteal wrote: »

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Perhaps voters in the less affluent areas did not want to vote yes, but weren't overly comfortable with voting no either, so they stayed at home?

I'd say it's just a case of a lot of people being disillusioned and not bothering to vote as they don't think it makes a difference.

The below jumped out at me on the RTE live feed

1045 Dublin city is currently showing the Yes vote leading in four of the six constituencies.
But the city is showing a strong social divide in the early tallies, with a strong No vote in Dublin South Central and Dublin North West.
The No vote was nearly 90% in parts of Balllyfermot

In "parts of Ballyfermot"? Christ. I'm sure there are "parts" of every area with 100% for yes or no.

donalg1

Lemlin wrote: »

I find the No side very contradictory to be honest.

In one sentence they are complaining about how fat cat politicians have ruined our country and disappear off with their pay pensions that we pay for.

In another, they are saying that we shouldn't cede more control to Europe.

In a country where people are so disillusioned with the larger parties that Sinn Fein are gaining more percentage points every day, and people elect the likes of Joe Higgins and Mick Wallace, I don't see any problem with handing more power over to Europe.

Our own politicians have shown they cannot be trusted.

Exactly and god help us if Sinn Fein or the likes of the other two eejits ever got any power in this Country so no harm in syphoning off that power to Europe before the unthinkable happens.

tipptom

oscarBravo wrote: »

I love this idea that twenty five countries - including Ireland - sat down together and agreed on a wording whose purpose was to scare the Irish people into voting for that treaty.

We really have a bizarrely inflated sense of our own importance.

The big differance was that they knew Ireland was the only country to have to go to a referendum so our so called goverment working for the Irish people colluded with them on it against the irish people to get a yes vote for their fellow party member Mrs Merkal.

johnnyskeleton

Eramen wrote: »

It seems old crossed-eyed Paddy wants more euro welfare checks passed his way.

He's far too afraid to pull his own weight and forge a more independent path. Such an unconfident people we have become.

I am 100% confident that a fiscal union thar imposes budgetary restraint on our country is a brave move and one which is good for our country. By voting for this, we are voting for increased austerity, or so we are told. So a yes vote means we are not afraid to pull our own weight and that we don't want euro handouts.

View

tipptom wrote: »

The big differance was that they knew Ireland was the only country to have to go to a referendum so our so called goverment working for the Irish people colluded with them on it against the irish people to get a yes vote for their fellow party member Mrs Merkal.

They did? What happened to the "They wrote the treaty so we wouldn't have a referendum" line?

tipptom

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Does you bank manager 'scare you' into signing the conditions of your loan by making those conditions a condition of the loan?

He certainly does and he would scare me even more when he comes along and keeps adding more conditions to suit his own private use,then i would say NO to his dodgy conditions.

PopeBuckfastXVI

tipptom wrote: »

He certainly does and he would scare me even more when he comes along and keeps adding more conditions to suit his own private use,then i would say NO to his dodgy conditions.

As is your right. It's absolutely not your right to get your mitts on his money without signing up to them though!

What is it with Irish people feeling they are somehow entitled to Germany's money without condition?

outandabout

"Our government is founded upon the intelligence of the people. I for one do not despair of the republic. I have great confidence in the virtue of the great majority of the people, and I cannot fear the result."

- Andrew Jackson, seventh President of the United States