The Yes vote has it

raymon

Looks like yes vote has it looking at tallies this morning according to RTE

The middle class votes overwhelmingly Yes whereas working class areas seem to have a lower Yes .

beeftotheheels

raymon wrote: »

Looks like yes vote has it looking at tallies this morning according to RTE

The middle class votes overwhelmingly Yes whereas working class areas seem to have a lower Yes .

And the farmers, don't forget the farmers....

_Kaiser_

Well that's it so.. Austerity for all some, and economic servitude for years to come! Plus it'll convince the government that they're doing a great job too! :rolleyes:

Well done

loveisdivine

Considering in most places less than 50% of boxes have been opened, I think its a little early to call it.

Donegal North East has 60% of boxes open and the no has it.

Tazz T

On the bright side the government can take the blame for all that's to follow.

They've just killed their re-election hopes.

ibarelycare

Hope you're right OP but I definitely think it's too early to tell. Going by the RTE live updates, it's still very close.

johngalway

loveisdivine wrote: »

Considering in most places less than 50% of boxes have been opened, I think its a little early to call it.

Donegal North East has 60% of boxes open and the no has it.

I don't think anyone would be surprised at Donegal voting no, nor would they think it is representative of a national trend.

_Kaiser_

Tazz T wrote: »

On the bright side the government can take the blame for all that's to follow.

They've just killed their re-election hopes.

Doesn't matter.. like their predecessors they'll just waltz off into the sunset with their fat pensions (that we pay for) rather than face the electorate

raymon

ibarelycare wrote: »

Hope you're right OP but I definitely think it's too early to tell. Going by the RTE live updates, it's still very close.

If Joe Higgins is conceding then I think it is probably Yes.

oscarBravo

Tazz T wrote: »

They've just killed their re-election hopes.

They were always going to have a difficult election: they inherited an economic clusterf*ck, which they had no choice but to make difficult decisions to address, and despite the fact that they've shied away from most of the really tough decisions, they will be up against an opposition that claims we don't need austerity at all.

Democracy: giving electorates the government they deserve for centuries.

meglome

oscarBravo wrote: »

Democracy: giving electorates the government they deserve for centuries.

I laughed... then I was sad.

BlitzKrieg

1042 Joe Higgins has said this has been one of the most shameful campaigns, with fear as a major tool of the Government.

He said the right questions were not asked. He said no-one asked why we would actually need the funds from the European Stability Mechanism.

...

*sigh*

StealthRolex

Traditionally in EU referenda we always vote the wrong way the first time

tipptom

This is a done duck,Tipp south 60/40 in favour of the yes vote,Seamus Healys strong hold,Dublin central much similiar.

Waitsian

They will reap what they sow. So be it.

smokingman

raymon wrote: »

If Joe Higgins is conceding then I think it is probably Yes.

He's always conceding, makes him look like the poor downtrodden character he tries to portray instead of the aidrian kennedy of politics he is.

tipptom

The yes vote crew is growing more confident in dublin because the voter turn out is higher in the more affluent areas of Dublin,that tells a story.

PopeBuckfastXVI

tipptom wrote: »

The yes vote crew is growing more confident in dublin because the voter turn out is higher in the more affluent areas of Dublin,that tells a story.

Perhaps voters in the less affluent areas did not want to vote yes, but weren't overly comfortable with voting no either, so they stayed at home?

theteal

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Perhaps voters in the less affluent areas did not want to vote yes, but weren't overly comfortable with voting no either, so they stayed at home?

I'd say it's just a case of a lot of people being disillusioned and not bothering to vote as they don't think it makes a difference.

The below jumped out at me on the RTE live feed

1045 Dublin city is currently showing the Yes vote leading in four of the six constituencies.
But the city is showing a strong social divide in the early tallies, with a strong No vote in Dublin South Central and Dublin North West.
The No vote was nearly 90% in parts of Balllyfermot

PopeBuckfastXVI

From RTÉ:

Socialist MEP Paul Murphy said early tallies would point to "strong class polarisation".
"Working class areas are strongly voting no, more affluent areas voting yes," Mr Murphy said.
A win for the yes side "wouldn't be a massive surprise", he said, as "that's what the polls have indicated".

So we have 2 points here, working class areas vote 'no', affluent areas vote 'yes'. The 'yes' side won, so does that mean that there are more affluent areas than working class areas and the country is doing something right?

C14N

Is the decision based on the number of areas that said no vs the number that said yes or is it based on the total number of votes counted?

bookworms

The sheeple have voted!

PopeBuckfastXVI

C14N wrote: »

Is the decision based on the number of areas that said no vs the number that said yes or is it based on the total number of votes counted?

Total number of votes.

donalg1

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

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*sigh*

Couldnt Joe have asked these questions!!

donalg1

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

From RTÉ:



So we have 2 points here, working class areas vote 'no', affluent areas vote 'yes'. The 'yes' side won, so does that mean that there are more affluent areas than working class areas and the country is doing something right?

No it just means that the affluent areas have more BMW's and Merc's to get to the polling stations in, sure we couldnt go anywhere without our BMW's a few years ago

tipptom

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

From RTÉ:



So we have 2 points here, working class areas vote 'no', affluent areas vote 'yes'. The 'yes' side won, so does that mean that there are more affluent areas than working class areas and the country is doing something right?

Ha Ha,this recession is growing affluence,I would say that the working class did not turn out because they knew this was a "fait accompli" back in febuary when the blackmail clause was signed up and they said you will never beat "the Man"to use an American parlance.I dont think there could be any doubt that this vote would be a differant one if they did not have that armegeddon stick to beat us with,they knew that and stuck febuarys little ruse on for us to digest.

clintondaly

Zeit anfangen deutsch lernen:mad:

PopeBuckfastXVI

tipptom wrote: »

Ha Ha,this recession is growing affluence,I would say that the working class did not turn out because they knew this was a "fait accompli" back in febuary when the blackmail clause was signed up and they said you will never beat "the Man"to use an American parlance.I dont think there could be any doubt that this vote would be a differant one if they did not have that armegeddon stick to beat us with,they knew that and stuck febuarys little ruse on for us to digest.

So people would have voted against the treaty if the most positive aspect of the treaty had been removed?

Thanks for that succinct analysis.

smokingman

So now that our politicians are bound to not going crazy with our money like FF did, how good a job do you think they'll do of it?; given that we don't really have anyone in Irish politics actually qualified for their portfolios in the first place....

Is it no wonder the higher levels of the PS actually run the country instead of the parish pump figureheads we decide to elect every time?

stevedublin

Do we get to vote on this a second time, like the Lisbon treaty?

stevedublin

In 6 months time? I suspect the results would be different!