The systematic destruction of history.

shedweller

I was thinking about this recently, after hearing about the looting of museums in Cairo during the unrest there.
Libraries have been destroyed for a very long time from what i can see. Alexandria had a fairly extensive one and historical artifacts worldwide have been robbed or destroyed for various reasons.
I think it's terrible to think how much history has been erased in all this madness.
Imagine how much more advanced we'd be overall, if this history was looked after?
Imagine how easy it will be to "burn" modern libraries when they all go digital!
I'm beginning to think we'll always remain in the dark ages compared to where we could be, due to this destruction.

What's the conspiracy?

Could there be an ongoing plan to keep us from advancing too much?

chooochooo

no

shedweller

chooochooo wrote: »

no

Wow, thats deep.

Daffodil.d

throughout history things have been erased or hidden. I am goin to sound like a feminist now but there were scrolls that Mary magdeline wrote that were hidden because the world wouldn't be able to handle the thought of a female being an apostle. also photos of the 1916 rising apparently photos were edited very early on erasing women holding guns. This was to try hide the fact women fought.
The point I am making is it depends what is destroyed if it is random things that are unconnected then its not a conspiracy.However it could take a while to establish if destroyed artifacts have relevance.

Jonny7

shedweller wrote: »

I was thinking about this recently, after hearing about the looting of museums in Cairo during the unrest there.
Libraries have been destroyed for a very long time from what i can see. Alexandria had a fairly extensive one and historical artifacts worldwide have been robbed or destroyed for various reasons.
I think it's terrible to think how much history has been erased in all this madness.
Imagine how much more advanced we'd be overall, if this history was looked after?
Imagine how easy it will be to "burn" modern libraries when they all go digital!
I'm beginning to think we'll always remain in the dark ages compared to where we could be, due to this destruction.

What's the conspiracy?

Could there be an ongoing plan to keep us from advancing too much?

The short answer is no.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

Jonny7 wrote: »

The short answer is no.

And da long answer........yes

Daithi 1

I would say yes also.

RoboClam

I added a poll, so there is now no need to reply with just a "yes" or "no". Bit more content guys!

humanji

I'm not sure how we'd advance from having more intact historical items. And I wouldn't have called the looting of the Cairo museum as systemic. It was random people stealing what they thought they could make money on. Something like the Taliban in Afghanistan destroying the Buddhas of Bamiyan would be a better example, since they were destroyed as a symbol of removing a belief system.

This sort of thing isn't new. As they say, "History is written by the victors", so it's hardly surprising that perceieved enemies would be erased from the history books, to show up the victors dominance.

But as for a long term plan to keep us from advancing, I don't know how that would work.

hooradiation

Isn't this entire line of thought predicated on the popular misconception of the so called "Dark ages" as a terrible time devoid of reason and learning?

Torakx

Or under the premise that aliens are in contact with humans.
Could go alot of ways.

hooradiation

Aliens, I always forget about the Aliens.

shedweller

Thanks for the responses lads. I suppose conspiracy is a strong word to use. But there is still a certain "meh" attitude when it comes to preserving our history. I remember reading in a book about a place called "hagar qim" in malta if my memory still functions. It is very old and apparently this goes against the official history of the area. So it turns out, accodring to the author, that once a year the security on site lapses and a gang of thugs do some damage to it. Over time the place will be ruined. Of course, i personally have no proof that this is happening but the author, Graham Hancock, is a decent enough writer and something like this isn't that big a thing.

It could just be human nature that allows this erasing of history after a time and if so, there's not much that can be done. Although whomever built the pyramids at giza certainly tried to resist this! But then, what is left is so vague that there are arguments over what they are or were for. It's like we just block off our ears and say "lalalalala" when the theories are a little out there! Fair enough, but the pyramids are indicating a level of sophistication way higher than conventional history would allow. I wouldn't be surprised if some nutter got a nuke in them and made bits of them!

I'm convinced there is something at work here but i can't be sure of the who's any why's of it all!

shedweller

hooradiation wrote: »

Aliens, I always forget about the Aliens.

Thank you for giving me my first real lol today!

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

hooradiation wrote: »

Isn't this entire line of thought predicated on the popular misconception of the so called "Dark ages" as a terrible time devoid of reason and learning?

And is that factual though da "DARK AGES" was that some systimatic destruction going on with da history like popular miscon. what you say.....clarify ?

PseudoFamous

shedweller wrote: »

Imagine how easy it will be to "burn" modern libraries when they all go digital!

much harder actually, because they'll be easily stored in less space, and much more easily copied. If pirates decide to set up a torrent of all the literature and reports, it could essentially never be destroyed.

hooradiation

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

And is that factual though da "DARK AGES" was that some systimatic destruction going on with da history like popular miscon. what you say.....clarify ?

... I have no idea how to parse this mess.

But if I were to have a guess, you seem to believe that the "dark ages" were a time of backwardness and ignorance, however that idea has been re evaluated and the term itself is not even used academically any more.

Basically, the explosion of knowledge that typifies the age of enlightenment only came about because of the long standing traditions that established the use of reason as one of the most important of human activities.

Likewise the myth that during this time people believed the earth to be flat is also wrong- a piece of 19th century fluff and nothing more.

There are a fucktonne of books on the subject if you'd care to learn more. It wasn't a goddamn utopia, but it's not the hellscape that it's often portrayed as.

Jeboa Safari

We're advancing quicker than ever before, exponentially. So I don't think there's some plan to stop advancement. It is inevitable that throughout history things have been altered, erased, forgotten or destroyed, the Archives building in Dublin was destroyed during the civil war. I do wish that people had more interest in preserving historic sites though, its a shame to see them damaged or left to rot.

The digitizing books can only be a good thing, gives millions access and a chance to copy, instead of just having one copy in existence.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

hooradiation wrote: »

... I have no idea how to parse this mess.

But if I were to have a guess, you seem to believe that the "dark ages" were a time of backwardness and ignorance, however that idea has been re evaluated and the term itself is not even used academically any more.

Basically, the explosion of knowledge that typifies the age of enlightenment only came about because of the long standing traditions that established the use of reason as one of the most important of human activities.

Likewise the myth that during this time people believed the earth to be flat is also wrong- a piece of 19th century fluff and nothing more.

There are a fucktonne of books on the subject if you'd care to learn more. It wasn't a goddamn utopia, but it's not the hellscape that it's often portrayed as.

What are u trying to say ....is that something factual though about da DARK AGES u think that coz some academias now said so ....clarifikation puh leese !!! Its not called da DARK AGES for nothing ....sweet jaysuss

shedweller

PseudoFamous wrote: »

shedweller wrote: »

Imagine how easy it will be to "burn" modern libraries when they all go digital!

much harder actually, because they'll be easily stored in less space, and much more easily copied. If pirates decide to set up a torrent of all the literature and reports, it could essentially never be destroyed.

I sincerely hope you are right! But the recent "flame" worm discovered shows how stealthy the introduction of a virus can be into a computer network.
File types can become obsolete over time and the lesser known or accessed files could simply become unreadable in a few hundred years. Given enough time, some stories will become legends and eventually become myths. And then people will think it never happened! Ancient artifacts can help remove the myth aspect and make it real again. Not always of course but it would definitely help fill in our historical record.

Then you have the floods at the end of the ice age. Nobody did this of course but plato wrote a few bits and pieces about it and it was supposedly 9000 years or so previous to him. But i think his work was in the library of alexandria when it was burned. Jaysus i get giddy thinking of how much more we would know about our history if we had that!

Perhaps we need to set up a quango to look after our historical artifacts! And i mean with very unreasonable force because thats what appears to be needed!!

hooradiation

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

What are you trying to say

It's not very complicated, the "dark ages" weren't as terrible as is commonly believed. Nor were scientists persecuted (as a general rule) or any of the other things. It's a fiction.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

....is that something factual though about the DARK AGES

Yes.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

It's not called the DARK AGES for nothing ....sweet Jesus

Actually, it pretty much is.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

ohhh actually....no sciencetists were persecueted says who..... your academia types who change da story like coz they want to be all the same ....yeah right

maybes youse would like da "DARK AGES" better than now not knowing yore ass from youse elbow like....the only fiction is yore imagination not believing in da actually history of da "DARK AGES"

weisses

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

What are u trying to say ....is that something factual though about da DARK AGES u think that coz some academias now said so ....clarifikation puh leese !!! Its not called da DARK AGES for nothing ....sweet jaysuss

as a Russian would say ... DA !!

Jonny7

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

ohhh actually....no sciencetists were persecueted says who..... your academia types who change da story like coz they want to be all the same ....yeah right

maybes youse would like da "DARK AGES" better than now not knowing yore ass from youse elbow like....the only fiction is yore imagination not believing in da actually history of da "DARK AGES"

I'd swear there is some government conspiracy to undermine conspiracy theorists with posts like this.. has to be.. can't.. be.. real

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

Jonny7 wrote: »

I'd swear there is some government conspiracy to undermine conspiracy theorists with posts like this.. has to be.. can't.. be.. real

sure youse doing da grand job yoreself bhoyo with da theorists and all dat
.....:pac:

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

weisses wrote: »

as a Russian would say ... DA !!

is that DA da "DARK AGES" ....duhh :rolleyes:

hooradiation

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

ohhh actually....no sciencetists were persecueted says who..... your academia types who change da story like coz they want to be all the same ....yeah right

I highly doubt you're qualified to challenge people who have spent years researching these areas, on any level. But I do encourage you to surprise me.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

maybes youse would like da "DARK AGES" better than now not knowing yore ass from youse elbow like....the only fiction is yore imagination not believing in da actually history of da "DARK AGES"

Yes, quite. If you have a genuine interest I'd ask that you might start your reading with "Inventing the Flat Earth". It should at least start to loosen the mistaken notion you have about history.

And as an aside writing phonetically ought to be considered a criminal offense.
Possibly even a capital one.

Wereghost

No ongoing plan, just the inertia against which human endeavour nevertheless prevails. The universe couldn't care less about whether we thrive as a species, so it's two steps forward and one step back for us. Civilisations may rise and fall, but history has a general tendency towards the better IMHO.

Channel Zero

Interesting stuff.

Colonialism comes to mind when we're talking about this.

Australia is a great example of hidden history.
The City of Sydney council has recently voted to replace the words "European arrival" in the official record with "invasion". Which is great.

Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/01/invasion-australia-forbidden-word-aboriginal

Gumbi

shedweller wrote: »

chooochooo wrote: »

no

Wow, thats deep.

A shallow answer to a shallow question.

shedweller

Here's a link to the vandalism i referred to at Hagar Qim in Malta:
https://communities.uhi.ac.uk/07016781/files/847/3792/UNESCO+paper.pdf
Turns out there's a quarry nearby that not only damaged Hagar Qim during its operation but is now going to be used as a landfill site!

Channel Zero

shedweller wrote: »

Here's a link to the vandalism i referred to at Hagar Qim in Malta:
https://communities.uhi.ac.uk/07016781/files/847/3792/UNESCO+paper.pdf
Turns out there's a quarry nearby that not only damaged Hagar Qim during its operation but is now going to be used as a landfill site!

Said 'file damaged' on that.

Was that Hancock? He has some fascinating theories on prehistoric astronomical knowledge.

studiorat

Been meaning to add to this. There is a thing called the Phantom Time Hypothesis, which states that Late Antiquity and Early Middle ages didn't actually exist.

That we're actually in the 16th or 17th century AD and the Middle ages were actually made up.

Here's similar theories : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

I don't think it's possible to keep the same "ongoing plan" ongoing as it were for hundreds of years.

hooradiation

studiorat wrote: »

Been meaning to add to this. There is a thing called the Phantom Time Hypothesis, which states that Late Antiquity and Early Middle ages didn't actually exist.

That we're actually in the 16th or 17th century AD and the Middle ages were actually made up.

Here's similar theories : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

That is amazing. Batshit loco, but amazing.

shedweller

Thats like something Terry Pratchett would come up with!

Wereghost

^ It is. It should also be a novel or sonething.

shedweller

Channel Zero wrote: »

Said 'file damaged' on that.

Was that Hancock? He has some fascinating theories on prehistoric astronomical knowledge.

I selected "run anyway" at the top of the screen and it loaded ok.
Yes, Graham Hancock covered a lot in his Underworld book, including Hagar Qim. But it seems that his findings don't fit in too well with conventional history.
It's like there's a problem accepting that we were a little more advanced in ancient history than some would like. What have "they" to lose?

I read another book recently that talked about the extensive use of geometry in the pyramids. This, of course, flies in the face of conventional history. But the structure is there and the angles are plain to see! And yet, they are ignored!
Its contents were looted many years ago and we can only wonder what was in it. I personally believe Khufu was not buried in it but thats another days work!
It is also simply too big to be destroyed slowly and quietly like Hagar Qim et al, so i fear for its safety given all that is going on in that neck of the woods.

If there isn't a concerted effort at keeping ancient history deleted then we must certainly have an inbuilt gene that does the same thing without our knowing it! Why cant we just record history in an unbiased manner and store it safely for as long as possible?

hooradiation

shedweller wrote: »

I read another book recently that talked about the extensive use of geometry in the pyramids. This, of course, flies in the face of conventional history. But the structure is there and the angles are plain to see! And yet, they are ignored!

I think you'll find it doesn't.
In fact the Egyptians are generally credited with being the first civilization to make extensive use of geometry - so I'm not sure what it is you think about the above "flies in the face of conventional history".

Next you'll be telling me it was all built by slave labour.

shedweller wrote: »

If there isn't a concerted effort at keeping ancient history deleted then we must certainly have an inbuilt gene that does the same thing without our knowing it! Why cant we just record history in an unbiased manner and store it safely for as long as possible?

Because humans are dicks.
There's yer answer.
You're welcome.

shedweller

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/43/50104/Heritage/Islamic/Istabl-Antar,-the-early-Islamic-site-in-Egypt,-is-.aspx

Istabl Antar archaeological site is on the verge of disappearing due to lack of proper protection, warns archaeologist who has spent 20 years working on the site

The site includes living quarters dating from the foundation of the city in 20 H/642 AD up to the end of the Umayyad dynasty in 132 H/750 AD and the most ancient Islamic mausolea known so far in the whole Islamic world, erected between 132 H/750 and 144-145 H/762 AD. It also contains the most ancient remains of the plan of a mosque in Egypt, and one of the most ancient of the Arab world, also constructed between 132 H/750 and 144-145 H/762 AD. (The plan of the mosque of Amr in Al-Fustat has been redrawn and reconstructed a number of times and is therefore more recent than the one of the site of Istabl Antar.)
The mausolea were reused and modified by the Fatimid family following the orders of Taghrid, the wife of the Fatimid Caliph Al-Muizz and mother of the Caliph Al-Aziz after their arrival in Egypt in 362 H/973 AD. The deceased buried in these mausolea, who will probably end up in a rubbish dump, as happened to the remains of the dead of the Ayn Al-Sîra cemetery (1991) or those of the Fatimid caliphs when Khan Al-Khalili was built in the Mamluk days.

A Primal Nut

I don't see how Cairo's museums being looted stops us from advancing in any way? I don't see the connection.

Those artifacts have histrorical significance...nothing more. I'm curious what influence they could possibly have in the advancement of mankind.

I actually think some of shedweller's points about how what we are thought about history could be wrong are interesting. But I don't see it as a conspiracy; just that history was never recorded as it went along. Perhaps until now with the birth of the internet. It's natural and to be expected that our view of history is not perfect.

shedweller

Suppose, at some point in the future, all our information was stored digitally; in the cloud. We're nearly there as it is. Now suppose something happens that information due to war breaking out and things get looted. Who knows, hard drives may be worth a lot for scrap some day!
Nobody is going to remember how, for example, a particle accelerator works. Or how to build a spaceship and go to the moon, build a car, a tv......etc.
Because some or all the data will be gone, just like data has gone throughout history.
Ok, we know things now that the ancients didn't even dream of then. But what things did they know, that ended up being destroyed? We'll never know.
I think it just keeps us from advancing and reaching our potential.
I can't help but feel there is something more sinister going on.

A Primal Nut

shedweller wrote: »

Suppose, at some point in the future, all our information was stored digitally; in the cloud. We're nearly there as it is. Now suppose something happens that information due to war breaking out and things get looted. Who knows, hard drives may be worth a lot for scrap some day!
Nobody is going to remember how, for example, a particle accelerator works. Or how to build a spaceship and go to the moon, build a car, a tv......etc.
Because some or all the data will be gone, just like data has gone throughout history.
Ok, we know things now that the ancients didn't even dream of then. But what things did they know, that ended up being destroyed? We'll never know.
I think it just keeps us from advancing and reaching our potential.
I can't help but feel there is something more sinister going on.

I doubt there is anything they could do which we can't do. Ok, we'll never be 100% sure, but as there is no evidence of use of electricity or buildings more impressive than ours (skyscrapers > pyramids IMO) I very much doubt there is anything we can learn from them.

Anyway, there is plenty of technological progress still going on so if governments are trying to stop progress (why?) they are failing miserably.

Torakx

Back when i first got into the whole Aliens and Egypt etc there was some interestign theories on vibrations with anti gravity,healing and also some other basic stuff on how they made batteries backthen.

I am still waiting to see vibrational therapy go mainstream and i dont mean dildos :P
I think their might be something to it considering how we are formed at a quantum level.

Edit: I stumbed across this video today and thought of this thread.
Maybe a load of balls but id be interested in thoughts and if this might be another example of the thread topic.

Its pretty outrageous if its true and so im doubting its legitimacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

shedweller

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I doubt there is anything they could do which we can't do. Ok, we'll never be 100% sure, but as there is no evidence of use of electricity or buildings more impressive than ours (skyscrapers > pyramids IMO) I very much doubt there is anything we can learn from them.

Anyway, there is plenty of technological progress still going on so if governments are trying to stop progress (why?) they are failing miserably.

Aye, it's a tricky subject alright. Fraught with risk of getting bogged down in tin foil hat territory or godlike stuff.
Re; the pyramids. They did build them very accurately for their time and i do find it laughable when we are shown some of the tools they supposedly used. Like their spirit level. LOL!! The main pyramid at Giza has a 13 acre base and is extremely accurate. A wooden triangle with a plumb bob in the middle wouldnt in a million years deliver that kind of accuracy!

shedweller

Some more:http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrias-archaeological-heritage-falls-prey-to-war.aspx?pageID=238&nID=30846&NewsCatID=375

Syria's extraordinary archaeological heritage has fallen prey to the fighting ravaging the country for more than 18 months, with destruction, theft and systematic looting on the rise.

In a country where corruption and trafficking of archaeological artefacts and treasures was already a chronic problem, widespread clashes and a power vacuum in some areas have led to an explosion of looting and illicit excavations.

"It is obvious that in such situations there is always an increase in looting, illegal excavations and smuggling," Veronique Dauge of the UNESCO World Heritage Centre told AFP by telephone.

"Remember what happened in Iraq in 2003." Around 32,000 artefacts were looted from 12,000 archaeological sites in Iraq during the chaos that followed the US-led invasion in 2003, and 15,000 items were also looted from the Baghdad National Museum.

The Syrian army has often been accused of participating in the pillaging or tolerating such actions by civilians -- often in well organised trafficking bands.

In Reyhanli, a small Turkish village near the border with Syria, a newly arrived Syrian refugee from the famed ancient desert town of Palmyra told AFP that the museum there had been looted and reported large-scale theft at the site.

"These are the shabiha, the Assad gangs (militiamen) who do this," charged Abu Jabal, giving a fictitious name. "The army is there, and oversees everything." An amateur video posted online on August 17 shows seven or eight sculptures and busts crammed into the back of a pick-up truck. Soldiers can be seen chatting alongside the vehicle.

"We have studied what our Syrian colleagues are saying, and it is indeed soldiers. Everything leads us to believe that the army is stealing antiquities in Palmyra and elsewhere," Spanish archaeologist Rodrigo Martin told AFP.

He is the spokesman for a team of archaeologists, Syrian and foreign, who formed the "Syrian Heritage in Danger" group, whose goal is to monitor what happens at archaeological sites, through a network of informants.

"Some sites have been the scene of fighting, others have been looted, and the military has given digging permits to gangs in exchange for their complicity in the conflict," Martin added.

"But even if we have many contacts, it is difficult to know what is really going on. We will discover the extent of the damage after the war." His organisation has also received testimonies accusing rebel groups of resorting to smuggling in order to finance themselves. "We hear rumours, but it is very difficult to verify these," he said.

On September 12, The Times in London published an article in which a Lebanese antiquities dealer said insurgents had assembled groups of clandestine diggers to recover antiquities to finance their uprising against President Bashar al-Assad.

"The rebels need arms and the antiquities are a good way to buy them," Abu Khaled was quoted as saying in the article.

In a report entitled "The Syrian archaeological heritage is in danger," the EU-funded Euromed Heritage organisation emphasises the danger currently posed to Syria's rich heritage by secret excavations.

"Clandestine excavations have posed a threat to Syrian history and heritage for many years. Unfortunately, current events have significantly increased this risk. Many groups have attempted to conduct secret excavations, starting with the security forces," the report said.

"The clandestine excavations have become objects of negotiation: they are tolerated by the authorities to anyone who agrees to stay away from the uprising or denounces activists." For British archaeologist Emma Cunliffe, another specialist on Syria, what happened in 2003 in Iraq is now being repeated.

"Look at the prices of nice antiquities at auction at Christie's or Sotheby's: it's ridiculous! As long as there is this kind of demand on the international market, the looting will continue."

And with more war on the way in that general region i can see more of this happening.

enno99

‘Destroy the idols,’ Egyptian jihadist calls for removal of Sphinx, Pyramids

An Egyptian jihad leader, with self-professed links to the Taliban, called for the “destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in Egypt,” drawing ties between the Egyptian relics and Buddha statues, local media reported this week.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/12/249092.html

Madness :eek:

shedweller

The mind just boggles. This kind of thing just might be what tips people in favour of all out war against these lunatics.

And my favourite comment on the above link has to be this:

2 - pretty sure these buildings are NOT idols
dan p (Guest) 04:07pm GMT, 07:07pm KSA, 12/11/2012
despite the fact that I don't believe we actually truly know the function of the pyramids (the great pyramids were not tombs), one thing we know for sure, they are not idols.... dummy.

So true! But i doubt Murgan Salem al-Gohary is going to let that get in his way!

enno99

shedweller wrote: »

The mind just boggles. This kind of thing just might be what tips people in favour of all out war against these lunatics.




:

Thats what I dont get why would Egyptian's want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg in regards to tourism
If you destroyed these you would bring the wrath of the whole planet down on you

cant find much on him other than this is he a mouth piece that just wants notice ?
or an asset for some spook agency

Monty Burnz

It's a conspiracy to make lunatic Muslim fundamentalists look like lunatics. I suspect they themselves are behind this conspiracy.

Sacksian

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's a conspiracy to make lunatic Muslim fundamentalists look like lunatics. I suspect they themselves are behind this conspiracy.

Lots of articles recently about state-backed Saudi construction in Medina and Mecca and the demolition of historical sites:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/medina-saudis-take-a-bulldozer-to-islams-history-8228795.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2012/oct/23/mecca-architecture-hajj1

Although these policies are pretty consistent with the spirit of Saudi Wahhabism and its stance on idolatory.

shedweller

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know what you mean. Maybe it's more a case that we'll forget our past. Forgetting our past can lead to us making the same mistakes again, or simply forgetting, say, a novel medical method. Or a way of building something with a 13 acre base thats more accurately built than almost everything today! ***cough***pyramids***cough***

Anyway, another example of the deletion of our past:

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-3743-peru-heavy-machinery-destroys-nazca-lines/

A group of ancient lines in the archaeological zone of Buenos Aires, in Nazca, have been destroyed by heavy machinery, El Comercio reported.

According to the daily, the machinery belongs to a firm that is removing limestone from the area.

The lines are located near kilometer marker 444 of the Panamericana Sur Highway. The area adjacent to the lines have reportedly also been affected, due to land being removed from the area.