Canal cycle route outside the Barge pub full of glass

OssianSmyth

Great to see everyone out drinking by the canal outside the Barge this weekend


but not so great that the new cycle track was full of glass this morning.

The owners of The Barge might consider allocating a small part of the profit they surely made to paying their staff to sweep up the glass at the end of the night.

Pub licences are subject to renewal and may be opposed in the district court by anyone. I doubt it will come to this. I have contacted the owner and I expect that this is the the last time that this will happen.

If you had a puncture this morning, contact the owner at hickeygroupinfo@gmail.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpQvXnVibq8

RacoonQueen

Apparently they had signs up saying ''no glasses/bottles'' to be taken past this point during the week.

Isn't it technically illegal for their punters to be drinking outside of the beer garden. It's always been done there, but it's drinking in a public place. A public order offence isn't it? Saw the guards stopping people in the phoenix park during the week and taking drink off some people for it. :eek:

I assume the barge aren't actually licensed for that area? They'd probably say it's a DCC issue?

OssianSmyth

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I assume the barge aren't actually licensed for that area? They'd probably say it's a DCC issue?

I don't mind them drinking outside whether licensed or not - all they have to do is sweep up the glass afterwards. It's not too much to ask on a profitable night.

manwithaplan

The OP makes a reasonable point. The Barge gets to extend its effective footprint significantly on sunny days so they should take some responsibility for cleaning up. I would imagine there's a bit of drinking still going on after they close so they can't be held completely responsible but they should do their best to protect the golden goose. It's a nice spot to have a drink in the sun and it would be a shame if it were to become a problem.

I rode in through Fairview Park this morning. Park staff were out collecting rubbish but they shouldn't have to on anything like the scale they were faced with. It was an absolute tip.

deadlyspot.com

At the very least they should be out there babysitting this space. The amount of money these guys would have made. Simply speculate that it's well over and above what they make inside the 4 walls of the premises.

Cookie_Monster

glass in a cycle lane, imagine that :pac:

2RockMountain

How did the cycle path beside the Barge work out in last night's rush hour (pub rush hour, I mean, not traffic rush hour);

http://www.dailyedge.ie/the-barge-jammers-2769188-May2016/

CramCycle

The barge got a warnign years ago from DCC and the Gardai, and for awhille used to have bouncers on sunny days, stopping anyone with pints going to far out.

i presume that no longer happens but there are quite a few, if not the majority who just bring cans up as well.

I wouldn't fancy sending a litter warden in to that crowd with a fair dose of alcohol, the gardai making their presence known should be enough.

It would be nice if the Barge put up a few bins as a "thanks for the custom" or just went with plastic (recyclable) glasses once a certain crowd was reached.

Andalucia

I passed on the bike last night leaving work, some dose trying to get through the crowd, footpath completely taken over, so you had both pedestrians and drinkers in the cycle lane, accident waking to happen

LollipopJimmy

Andalucia wrote: »

I passed on the bike last night leaving work, some dose trying to get through the crowd, footpath completely taken over, so you had both pedestrians and drinkers in the cycle lane, accident waking to happen

Sorry.... I was one of the idiots there last night

JustTheOne

We are a horrible nation for litter.

Really is the most laziest thing ever. Animals.

2RockMountain

Andalucia wrote: »

so you had both pedestrians and drinkers in the cycle lane, accident waking to happen

Pedestrians crossing the cycle lane, or standing on the cycle lane?

smacl

CramCycle wrote: »

The barge got a warnign years ago from DCC and the Gardai, and for awhille used to have bouncers on sunny days, stopping anyone with pints going to far out.

i presume that no longer happens but there are quite a few, if not the majority who just bring cans up as well.

I wouldn't fancy sending a litter warden in to that crowd with a fair dose of alcohol, the gardai making their presence known should be enough.

It would be nice if the Barge put up a few bins as a "thanks for the custom" or just went with plastic (recyclable) glasses once a certain crowd was reached.

Haven't drank there for years (decades even, scary flashbacks to Toni and her erotic dances in the Lower Deck later on. Feck. Not good. Really, not good!). Nice to have a pint outdoors all the same. I agree entirely with the OP it should be the responsibility of the owners to do the inevitable clean up afterwards, and waving the renewing of their license over heads to encourage them seems reasonable.

ThisRegard

Bit of a mess alright. People can be assholes.

https://twitter.com/aine_beamish/status/731240575580684288?s=09

LollipopJimmy

The place emptied very quickly and to be fair the staff got out cleaning as soon as the crowd died down. I put my empties in the bin anyway :pac:

Wishbone Ash

smacl wrote: »

... scary flashbacks to Toni and her erotic dances....

Jesus, you're going back a bit now!

Zyzz

Despicable behaviour from all of the parties drinking.

Wishbone Ash

Weepsie wrote: »

Pic shows countless amount of cans, shop bags. .....

The thread/pic is 4 years old!

moonshadow

Weepsie wrote: »

Im all confused now. Thread is 4 years old, but dug up tonight and the tweet is from last night, though elsewhere commented a picture was old too.

Maybe I got too much sun today

'Twas a seriously long session

2RockMountain

Weepsie wrote: »

Pic shows countless amount of cans, shop bags. The pub itself can hardly be held accountable because people are prats. Responsibility lays with the individual. By all means provide bins, but all the bins in the world don't stop some people from chucking their rubbish whereever

I disagree about the responsibility. The pub is effectively hosting an outdoor event and making lots of money out of it. Just like any outdoor event, they have a responsibility for the safety of those involved, and for cleaning up afterwards.

My question was actually about the cycle lane - and whether it was generally usuable during the busy time for the pub?

LollipopJimmy

2RockMountain wrote: »

I disagree about the responsibility. The pub is effectively hosting an outdoor event and making lots of money out of it. Just like any outdoor event, they have a responsibility for the safety of those involved, and for cleaning up afterwards.

My question was actually about the cycle lane - and whether it was generally usuable during the busy time for the pub?

As far as I could see it was the centra across the way that made the money. The pub itself wasn't doing a a bomb in sales and to be fair the staff were out with sacks cleaning up the rubbish. The cycle lane unfortunately was pretty much impassable barring the few that absolutely barged there way through

Red Kev

ThisRegard wrote: »

Bit of a mess alright. People can be assholes.

https://twitter.com/aine_beamish/status/731240575580684288?s=09

50 cent deposit on all cans, glass and plastic bottles no matter what their content or where they are purchased and that would clean itself up. Same goes for every other drinking area of the country as well as the areas around any school.

2RockMountain

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

As far as I could see it was the centra across the way that made the money. The pub itself wasn't doing a a bomb in sales and to be fair the staff were out with sacks cleaning up the rubbish.

Great, well let's hook Centra in too, and put them on on the hook for the clean up costs too. It really is absolutely anti-social for a local business like this to make money from selling, and leave the taxpayer to foot the bill for the clean-up.

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

The cycle lane unfortunately was pretty much impassable barring the few that absolutely barged there way through

This was actually why I asked the question, and I'm fairly outraged by the answer. This is the only dedicated cycle track on the southside, and we seem to be know saying that it's going to be out of action any Thursday or Friday for the summer season if we have good weather.

I don't use that track myself regularly, but if it was on my commute, I'd be fairly annoyed over it being out of action.

Red Kev wrote: »

50 cent deposit on all cans, glass and plastic bottles no matter what their content or where they are purchased and that would clean itself up. Same goes for every other drinking area of the country as well as the areas around any school.

Interesting idea, I wonder if 50c would be enough to motivate celtic tiger cubs to clean up after themselves.

ted1

Sunny days to places like this are the equivalent to closing roads for a cycle. The participants are happy, no one else is. But like road closures they are a rarity so llive and let live.

ThisRegard

Road closures for any type of race tend not to result in the area being destroyed with filth and litter.

buffalo

Red Kev wrote: »

50 cent deposit on all cans, glass and plastic bottles no matter what their content or where they are purchased and that would clean itself up. Same goes for every other drinking area of the country as well as the areas around any school.

I was thinking the same thought this morning - at least for glass bottles - as I punctured for the second time along the canal.

Tenzor07

ted1 wrote: »

Sunny days to places like this are the equivalent to closing roads for a cycle. The participants are happy, no one else is. But like road closures they are a rarity so llive and let live.

That's some stretch of the imagination right there!

mahoganygas

I walked past last night and in fairness to the staff, they were telling punters to get off the cycle path, particularly when the lights changed and a train of bikes came through.

Drinking outside the barge is a rare occurrence and a bit of a novelty. People who work nearby look forward to it every year. It's a sign that summer has arrived and it's a good bit of fun.

I get that it inconveniences cyclists, but i'd be willing to let it slide for the few evenings in the year that it gets busy.

Broken glass should be cleaned up immediately. But other than that, as long as the punters aren't falling out in front of passing cyclists, I see no harm. It's a bit of fun. Leave them at it.

Tenzor07

Sure next thing is they'll put deck chairs and tables out on Canal road, it's only a few times a year it happens when it's sunny, i'm sure 2 and 4 wheeled vehicles or the Gardai wouldn't mind, 'tis only a bit of craic like... :rolleyes:

endacl

Can be a bit of a pain in the ass trying to go through the lock on a boat too. People hi king it's great craic to 'help out'.

Red Kev

2RockMountain wrote: »

Interesting idea, I wonder if 50c would be enough to motivate celtic tiger cubs to clean up after themselves.

There's loads of people who'd pick those cans up, homeless, down and outs, people looking for a few bob etc. It's the norm in Germany and Scandanavia that after a few bottles you leave them on the ground beside the bin, they'll always be picked up by someone.

buffalo wrote: »

I was thinking the same thought this morning - at least for glass bottles - as I punctured for the second time along the canal.

If you introduce a deposit for glass only then all brewerys will switch to plastic bottles or cans, still leaves loads of rubbish. A deposit system only works if it's introduced on all drinks, alcoholic or non alcoholic, in all types of containers.

ThisRegard

Red Kev wrote: »

If you introduce a deposit for glass only then all brewerys will switch to plastic bottles or cans,

How does that work, who pays out on the deposit?

dub_skav

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That's some stretch of the imagination right there!

There's a grand stretch these days, that's part of the problem :pac:

Red Kev

ThisRegard wrote: »

How does that work, who pays out on the deposit?

The way it works in other countries is that any shop that sells that type of bottle/can/container is legally obliged to take one back and refund the deposit.

In other words I can buy a bottle of soft drink in Dingle, pay the deposit there, drive to Donegal and a shop in Donegal selling the same will have to take the empty back and refund me the money.

There'll be the usual wailing from the drinks industry, IBEC etc. but the system operates in dozens of countries worldwide, we had it until the 1970's and it is possible to introduce it here. We introduced the plastic bag tax which the vast majority of people support and even a smoking ban which would be regarded as impossible 20 years ago, so yes it can be done.

But to do that we need a government/minister with balls and they are few and far between.

ThisRegard

That's how I thought it works (I lived in California where they had the deposit system and we gave our stuff to the kids of colleagues) but it's the connection to the drinks industry changing to whatever material has no deposit. Ultimately do the stores basically sell the bottles back to the manufacturer from where they came from? In California the fee is paid by the distributor of whatever the drink is, and the state in turn pays out the deposit. So if that model was implemented I imagine that's why manufacturers would change their packaging materials.

smacl

Red Kev wrote: »

In other words I can buy a bottle of soft drink in Dingle, pay the deposit there, drive to Donegal and a shop in Donegal selling the same will have to take the empty back and refund me the money.

It used to be here too in the dim and distant past on certain bottles. We used to collect them as kids and used the proceeds to buy sweets. Good incentive to return of recyclable waste products.

2RockMountain

Red Kev wrote: »

There's loads of people who'd pick those cans up, homeless, down and outs, people looking for a few bob etc. It's the norm in Germany and Scandanavia that after a few bottles you leave them on the ground beside the bin, they'll always be picked up by someone.

Interesting, though maybe a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut. In fairness, we don't have a widespread problem with bottles and cans. I'm not sure we need to change the law for the whole country to get one pub and one Centra to clean up their act.

Tenzor07

Someone needs to clear up the mess left after sunny friday boozing!

buffalo

2RockMountain wrote: »

Interesting, though maybe a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut. In fairness, we don't have a widespread problem with bottles and cans. I'm not sure we need to change the law for the whole country to get one pub and one Centra to clean up their act.

Have you never seen any broken glass anywhere else apart from the Barge pub? Never seen cans leftover anywhere else from an afternoon in the sun?

This is merely a focal point for it, but much like the plastic bag levy, it would reduce a tremendous amount of waste and people would get used to it pretty quickly.

I used to collect cans as a kid, and bring sacks of them to a plant in Ballymount. They'd weigh them, pay you by weight, then they'd be recycled. Plenty of incentive in the above scheme for others to do likewise.

Red Kev

Yes, they end out back at the manufacturer. Bottles are reusable, are washed and sent back out again.

This is how they do it in Germany, transported to shops in these crates, then crates are filled with empties and go back to Coca Cola.

2RockMountain wrote: »

Interesting, though maybe a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut. In fairness, we don't have a widespread problem with bottles and cans. I'm not sure we need to change the law for the whole country to get one pub and one Centra to clean up their act.

It's an issue all round the country, not just outside one shop in Dublin, I'm surprised you haven't seen it. Plastic bottles and cans fecked in every ditch and every corner.

There's a park near me with 8 soccer and GAA pitches. They all arrive in cars, play their game and still manage to leave dozens (no exaggeration) of bottles there every evening. Adults and kids alike.

Sorry, but it drives me bloody nuts.

ED E

Pannti in Finland works really well, you have pensioners and low income people roaming the city at the weekend and collecting cans and bottles. People will hand them out to them from beer gardens as they pass. They make a chunk more than minimum wage and the country has a 95% recycling rate. Retailers self regulate it and there's no cost to the state.

We could easily implement it as the machines already exist from several vendors, plug and play once we revise the barcodes.

2RockMountain

Red Kev wrote: »

It's an issue all round the country, not just outside one shop in Dublin, I'm surprised you haven't seen it. Plastic bottles and cans fecked in every ditch and every corner.

There's a park near me with 8 soccer and GAA pitches. They all arrive in cars, play their game and still manage to leave dozens (no exaggeration) of bottles there every evening. Adults and kids alike.

Sorry, but it drives me bloody nuts.

Honestly, I don't see that much of it. I'm at one or other GAA pitch in Dublin most weekends, and I've never seen any significant litter problem.

AndrewJRenko

Is anyone else noticing a regular sprinkling of broken glass on the canal cycle track, on the first 'straight' section heading from Leeson St bridge up towards Ranelagh? The bit just at the end of this video: https://streamable.com/k8kc9

It's happening there just a bit too often to be coincidence. Is there a bit of sabotage going on?

Mickiemcfist

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Is anyone else noticing a regular sprinkling of broken glass on the canal cycle track, on the first 'straight' section heading from Leeson St bridge up towards Ranelagh? The bit just at the end of this video: https://streamable.com/k8kc9

It's happening there just a bit too often to be coincidence. Is there a bit of sabotage going on?

Yep I had noticed that recently, between the lock & the dogleg.

average_runner

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Is anyone else noticing a regular sprinkling of broken glass on the canal cycle track, on the first 'straight' section heading from Leeson St bridge up towards Ranelagh? The bit just at the end of this video: https://streamable.com/k8kc9

It's happening there just a bit too often to be coincidence. Is there a bit of sabotage going on?

Sabotage is a bit over the top, Scumbags up to no good would be what I suspect.


Alot of people cycle, run and walk there, so glass not good for anyone.

ED E

DLRCC have started a scheduled sweeping of cycle lanes. Get onto your DCC councillor to do the same there.

AndrewJRenko

average_runner wrote: »

Sabotage is a bit over the top, Scumbags up to no good would be what I suspect.

That was my first thought - but over a couple of months, there is frequently glass around the same location. It gets cleared away, and then reappears a few days later.

It was clear today. Let's see how long it lasts.

Mickiemcfist

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That was my first thought - but over a couple of months, there is frequently glass around the same location. It gets cleared away, and then reappears a few days later.

It was clear today. Let's see how long it lasts.

First assumption would just be people drinking at the lock closest to leeson st, however if it was someone there with a vendetta against cyclist I wouldn't be altogether surprised. Ever been a pedestrian walking east bound through that gap at leeson St bridge when the green light has just gone? It's like walking against the tide in the first 50m of the tour de france.

AndrewJRenko

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That was my first thought - but over a couple of months, there is frequently glass around the same location. It gets cleared away, and then reappears a few days later.

It was clear today. Let's see how long it lasts.

First assumption would just be people drinking at the lock closest to leeson st, however if it was someone there with a vendetta against cyclist I wouldn't be altogether surprised. Ever been a pedestrian walking east bound through that gap at leeson St bridge when the green light has just gone? It's like walking against the tide in the first 50m of the tour de france.

Your first assumption would be right at Charlemont or Portobello in summer , but not at Leeson in winter. The nearest pub is probably the Leeson Lounge, a good walk away. You really drinking round there at this time of year, if at all.

That junction is certainly the weakest link on the Grand Canal track. I was stunned that DCC gave permission for the Adelaide dental clinic to open a new pedestrian exit, right at the narrowest pinch point. Regulars seem to reached informal agreement that cyclists get a single line, tight to the hedge while pedestrians swing wide. Outrageous that anyone would consider the design fail to be an acceptable justification for sabotage.

average_runner

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Your first assumption would be right at Charlemont or Portobello in summer , but not at Leeson in winter. The nearest pub is probably the Leeson Lounge, a good walk away. You really drinking round there at this time of year, if at all.

That junction is certainly the weakest link on the Grand Canal track. I was stunned that DCC gave permission for the Adelaide dental clinic to open a new pedestrian exit, right at the narrowest pinch point. Regulars seem to reached informal agreement that cyclists get a single line, tight to the hedge while pedestrians swing wide. Outrageous that anyone would consider the design fail to be an acceptable justification for sabotage.

It is a silly design and probably by someone with no common sense

OssianSmyth

OssianSmyth wrote: »

It's not too much to ask on a profitable night.

No, they are taking ownership and liability for the issue if they do this.
So, while it would be nice, I can see why a business would not want to touch this