Fasting..

Cork24

Found this on a website seem like a good thing to control body sugars and body fat

http://www.georgesbootcamp.co.uk/intermittent-fasting/#more-111


Anyone ever try something like that?

Vote 4 Pedro

The 16 hour fast is no big deal, i do that but without trying or noticing,
the 24 hour fast is worth a try and i have herd of people having a good results from them
but i think it might just make you feel a bit better in yourself rather than actually doing you any good.
If you do one you might let us know the results...

Cork24

I'm going to do the 16 hour fast Friday, have something high in Protein at 6pm and then After my Fast have 2 Protein Bars Saturday Evening,

Vote 4 Pedro

But if you think about it ...
Have your meal at 6pm and the a late breakfast say 10 or 11 you have done it without even trying,
the 24 hour fast would be better,
I'll do a 24 hour fast one day this week and see how i feel, but how ever long you do your fast remember to drink loads of water.

Cork24

Oh yeah I will need to drink a great deal of liquid

UL_heart_throb

I honestly don't see how intermittent fasting is a viable option for the general population. If you look at any large groups of people that do this (Muslims during ramadan) you will find they binge eat at the end of the fast and a lot of them, put on weight by the end of the holy period.

For this to work as it is intended to, you need a very clean diet, very good decision making skills, very good will power and very good self-discipline. If you had all of these qualities, you probably wouldn't be googling diets like this.

Fasting just has train wreck written all over it for me and anyone who does it successfully is probably not a 'novice' when it comes to health and fitness.

Vote 4 Pedro

Of course you have to eat right as well, especially at the end of it.
if you don't then your a dick but done correctly it's good for you.

Doug Cartel

For this to work as it is intended to, you need a very clean diet, very good decision making skills, very good will power and very good self-discipline.

Right, so you're saying that you have to fast and then not eat a load to make up for it?

So, em, eat less then? Revolutionary.

Vote 4 Pedro

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Right, so you're saying that you have to fast and then not eat a load to make up for it?

So, em, eat less then? Revolutionary.

it's easy to mock, talk ****e but have you anything useful to say ?

Doug Cartel

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

it's easy to mock, talk ****e but have you anything useful to say ?

Yeah if you're trying to reduce weight, you should probably just figure out how much calories you are getting and then reduce that amount.

Simply changing the time you eat these calories is unlikely to make a difference.

I guess a small amount of fasting may help you reduce your calorie intake, but frankly I think if you do this regularly it's behaviour verging on an eating disorder.

ConorSTF

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Yeah if you're trying to reduce weight, you should probably just figure out how much calories you are getting and then reduce that amount.

Simply changing the time you eat these calories is unlikely to make a difference.

I guess a small amount of fasting may help you reduce your calorie intake, but frankly I think if you do this regularly it's behaviour verging on an eating disorder.

Personally, I would find that a 16 hour fast is not too much effort to do. Start at 10PM, finish at 4PM the next say. For me anyway, it is much easier to stay within my calorie restriction when I only have a 6 hour window to eat, rather than 24 hours.

Just my opinion anyway.

Vote 4 Pedro

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

it's easy to mock, talk ****e but have you anything useful to say ?

Yeah if you're trying to reduce weight, you should probably just figure out how much calories you are getting and then reduce that amount.

Simply changing the time you eat these calories is unlikely to make a difference.

I guess a small amount of fasting may help you reduce your calorie intake, but frankly I think if you do this regularly it's behaviour verging on an eating disorder.

Fasting is not just about weight loss. Do you even a any idea.

Hanley

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

Fasting is not just about weight loss. Do you even a any idea.

Maybe you could educate him...

Doug Cartel

I'm crossing my fingers here hoping he's not going to start talking about increased life expectancy.

Vote 4 Pedro

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I'm crossing my fingers here hoping he's not going to start talking about increased life expectancy.

Millions of people fast, not just for faith, do they all have eating disorders. People have different views but it seems if its not your view then its not right, do you have control issues

Vote 4 Pedro

Hanley wrote: »

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

Fasting is not just about weight loss. Do you even a any idea.

Maybe you could educate him...

I think education would be waisted here, closed minds dont learn very much.

Hanley

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

I think education would be waisted here, closed minds dont learn very much.

There's the arrogance of a fringe opinion that drives closes open minds and drives closed ones even further into recluse.

You catch more flys with honey than vinegar, and when you post on the net you're not trying to change the persons opinion - your putting a position out there for the hundreds/thousands of others who will potentially read this thread.

Vote 4 Pedro

Hanley wrote: »

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

I think education would be waisted here, closed minds dont learn very much.

There's the arrogance of a fringe opinion that drives closes open minds and drives closed ones even further into recluse.

You catch more flys with honey than vinegar, and when you post on the net you're not trying to change the persons opinion - your putting a position out there for the hundreds/thousands of others who will potentially read this thread.

So when someone askes a question here on boards is it normal for others to mock and take the ***s.
People that do that are putting people off from asking advise and coming from a mod who should know better.
Boards should be open to all without the fear of intimidation.

UL_heart_throb

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Right, so you're saying that you have to fast and then not eat a load to make up for it?

So, em, eat less then? Revolutionary.

Why did you selectively quote my post? Were you being deliberately obtuse or just aiming to be uncivil? Why are you bullying me?

Anyway,

The point of 'diets' is to have a system where people can regulate their food intake to meet their nutritional demands. The fundamentals of weight loss, so often quoted on this forum, never change, so not worth repeating.

The premise is that these people have failed at some point in their own diet. In other words, telling them to just eat less and less **** food isn't enough. So you make a fad diet. If you go atkins, you reduce your calorie uptake because you take out so much of the calorie dense food (bread). If you go paleo, you take out a lot of your calorie dense food (bread). For most people, once they've cut bread out of their diet, it takes them a while to replace it with calories from other sources so they will run at a deficit, and inadvertently eat a lower calorie diet. However, once both groups get out of the novice stages of the diet, they eat so much fat nd protein their calorie levels will have increased to the same point they were before.

While i think paleo and atkins diets are very difficult to sustain long term (months and years) they are realistic for days and weeks. This fasting diet i don't think is suistanable for more than a week for the vast majority of people and in the mean time they won't even cut their calories overall.

However, moving on from the simple paradigm of less calorie intake greater calorie consumption, the proponents of this diet are suggesting it has beneficial effects for insulin and GH regulation.

Brian?

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

So when someone askes a question here on boards is it normal for others to mock and take the ***s.
People that do that are putting people off from asking advise and coming from a mod who should know better.
Boards should be open to all without the fear of intimidation.

If you have a problem with something, report it.

Mr. Cartel could indeed have been more polite about making his point but I don't think he was being that offensive.

Brian?

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Right, so you're saying that you have to fast and then not eat a load to make up for it?

So, em, eat less then? Revolutionary.

You could have been more polite.

Brian?

UL_heart_throb wrote: »

However, moving on from the simple paradigm of less calorie intake greater calorie consumption, the proponents of this diet are suggesting it has beneficial effects for insulin and GH regulation.

I am selectivly quoting you, no bullying though. Would eating your days calories in a 6 hour window lead to a greater insulin spike than spreading across a day? Wouldn't this be a bad thing?

Cork24

This is done by a well knowing Runner,, He does many Workshop both in the UK & Ireland has Teamed up with PhD nutrition doctors, i have signed up to his mailing list 3 years ago and have went to one of his running Work shops.

He talks alot about eating before after every run,,

fasting is not about losing weight, it allows your body to break down any sugar that it has stored/ allows the body to give you more energy by breaking down all the fatty acids that normally doesn't get a chance to be broken down due to overload on food.

if you have signed up to his mailing list, he has talked about this last year that he was working with a PhD Doctor and top sports people to how to get the best out of a fast,

Vote 4 Pedro

Why is everyone falling out over a simple thing like this ? if i offended anyone then i apologize.

But everyone keeps bringing it back to diet and calories,
most people who fast are not even on a diet, it has nothing to do with diet, they say it makes them feel better and if it does then where is the harm in it, it's been done for thousands of years, live and let live,
I have never tried a 24 hour fast but i will try one this week to see how it makes me feel. end of.

Mellor

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

But everyone keeps bringing it back to diet and calories,
most people who fast are not even on a diet, it has nothing to do with diet, they say it makes them feel better and if it does then where is the harm in it, it's been done for thousands of years, live and let live,
I have never tried a 24 hour fast but i will try one this week to see how it makes me feel. end of.

I understand what you are saying its not in relation to dieting or weight loss. That's fine.
But how does it make you "feel better". How does that work?
I'm not disagree, or mocking, I'm simply asking how. If somebody suggests something on any forum, its pretty standard procedure for people to ask questions.

I've done a 24hr fast myself. I didn't make me feel betterm at least that I can recall. It was in association with concern to raise money for starvign children. I found myself starring at the clock, and even stuck on Titanic on VHS to get through the last 3 hours (this was 12 or 13 years ago).

Recently, I felt pretty ****ty and ended up not eating much over a day. This prob comes to 36hours from the night I last ate to lunch two days later. I did have some liquid calories in there. But that was a lot easier as it wasn't structured, just me feeling like crap. Not eating didn't make me feel better.

Vote 4 Pedro

Like i said earlier that i have not done one and was just responding to the op,
it's supposed to be like say,
Stopping a production line at a food factory every once in a while to give it a clean down, clear out all the crap, so you can start a fresh with a clean system.
Everything needs to stop to be cleaned once in a while, nothing to do with dieting, loosing weight or eating disorders.

I read the link supplied by the op and was open to giving it a try, after all what have you to loose from trying something, it's not going to kill you and i was surprised how people just take the ***s,
Boards would be a worse place if every time someone said something slightly off the norm the ridicule starts.

Hanley

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

Like i said earlier that i have not done one and was just responding to the op,
it's supposed to be like say,
Stopping a production line at a food factory every once in a while to give it a clean down, clear out all the crap, so you can start a fresh with a clean system.
Everything needs to stop to be cleaned once in a while, nothing to do with dieting, loosing weight or eating disorders.

I read the link supplied by the op and was open to giving it a try, after all what have you to loose from trying something, it's not going to kill you and i was surprised how people just take the ***s,
Boards would be a worse place if every time someone said something slightly off the norm the ridicule starts.

For someone do passionate about it, you can't even make a clear concise case as to why it's good?! It's Probavly not surprising that ppl are skeptical.

ferike1

I need to actually look into the science behind it but again my personal experience with Leangains has been nothing but positive!

Vote 4 Pedro

Hanley wrote: »

For someone do passionate about it, you can't even make a clear concise case as to why it's good?! It's Probavly not surprising that ppl are skeptical.

I'm not in the slightest passionate about it, never even done it, i just said i would give it a go to see.

are you lads are serious, if you not interested in it then move along, why all the bitching, nobody is asking you to do anything, the op just asked if anyone had ever tried it and that was it,
nobody is saying any more than that, nobody is professing any great benefits or to "make you live longer" like someone said.
ask a simple question ? and get the **** kicked out of ya. a right friendly place your making here, good luck

Hanley

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

I'm not in the slightest passionate about it, never even done it, i just said i would give it a go to see.

are you lads are serious, if you not interested in it then move along, why all the bitching, nobody is asking you to do anything, the op just asked if anyone had ever tried it and that was it,
nobody is saying any more than that, nobody is professing any great benefits or to "make you live longer" like someone said.
ask a simple question ? and get the **** kicked out of ya. a right friendly place your making here, good luck

It's a discussion forum, for, you know, discussing things?!

Can't discuss things if everyone agrees.

Mellor

All people did was ask your for your reason. What's the big deal? I didn't understand and wanted to, that's sort of the whole point of forums.
Nobody's "kicked the **** out of you", but feel free to continue complaining and dodging the question.

Vote 4 Pedro

Hanley wrote: »

It's a discussion forum, for, you know, discussing things?!

Can't discuss things if everyone agrees.

Where did you discuss anything to do with fasting,
if a couple of people want to discuss something here people that read the thread can discuss it of course but some people can't resist having a laugh at some else,
it you read the thread the op asked if anyone had any experience with the fast and you never said you did, you never said anything about fasting you just talked about the poster rather than the topic,
some people think that if they have loads of posts done that they are king of the hill.
they are entitled to the same as anyone else on here and just commenting for the sake of it (probably to get your post count up) is stupid.
does the big number under your name make you feel important.:p

Vote 4 Pedro

Mellor wrote: »

All people did was ask your for your reason. What's the big deal? I didn't understand and wanted to, that's sort of the whole point of forums.
Nobody's "kicked the **** out of you", but feel free to continue complaining and dodging the question.

I had no reason if you read it i said i had never done one and after reading the op's link i said i was willing to give it a go and see. no big deal, no reason, just willing to give it a go.

Hanley

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

Where did you discuss anything to do with fasting,
if a couple of people want to discuss something here people that read the thread can discuss it of course but some people can't resist having a laugh at some else,
it you read the thread the op asked if anyone had any experience with the fast and you never said you did, you never said anything about fasting you just talked about the poster rather than the topic,
some people think that if they have loads of posts done that they are king of the hill.
they are entitled to the same as anyone else on here and just commenting for the sake of it (probably to get your post count up) is stupid.
does the big number under your name make you feel important.:p

I asked why it was good, or beneficial, or why someone would want to do it? I attempted to DISCUSS intermittent fasting.

Vote 4 Pedro

Hanley wrote: »

I asked why it was good, or beneficial, or why someone would want to do it? I attempted to DISCUSS intermittent fasting.

Where did you ask this, it's not on this thread

Hanley

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

Where did you ask this, it's not on this thread

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

Fasting is not just about weight loss. Do you even a any idea.

Hanley wrote: »

Maybe you could educate him...

Vote 4 Pedro

Hanley wrote: »

so where did YOU ask about this, you didn't

cc87

why is intermittent fasting good/beneficial and why would someone want to do it??

Hanley

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

so where did YOU ask about this, you didn't

Clearly, the question was inferred.

I give up. This is going nowhere. You win the internet.

Vote 4 Pedro

cc87 wrote: »

why is intermittent fasting good/beneficial and why would someone want to do it??

I don't know if it is beneficial or not, having read the supplied link i will give it a try and see, it could be great or it could be crap, i don't know, i hardly care.
but if people who do it say its good for them then thats fine, i'm not going to disagree with them until i have tried it for myself.
then at least i will know. it's all there is to it.

Vote 4 Pedro

Hanley wrote: »

Clearly, the question was inferred.

I give up. This is going nowhere. You win the internet.

So like i asked where did YOU ask

cc87

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

I don't know if it is beneficial or not, having read the supplied link i will give it a try and see, it could be great or it could be crap, i don't know, i hardly care.
but if people who do it say its good for them then thats fine, i'm not going to disagree with them until i have tried it for myself.
then at least i will know. it's all there is to it.

With all due respect this is a terrible way to decide if a method is any good. There are people willing to do anything and say its good for them. There are more people willing to give advice on how to eat these days than ever before and everyone of them believe their way is the best.

Now if you had said something like, you have been thinking about IF for a while and read some of the stuff the likes of Martin Berkhan, Brad Pilon or any other number of well respected and experienced people have written. Then that would be a sensible approach.

Too many people jump on bandwagons these days without really knowing what they are getting into, whether its IF, Paleo, Kettlebells, TRX, Functional Training or whatever you want. Usually they end up the same as at the start just a bit poorer.

Vote 4 Pedro

People talk about things they have never done,
i only said i was willing to give it a try, never did i say i had done a 24 hour fast before, never did i say it was good or bad, simply that i was willing to try it.
i think once you have tried something for yourself you will have a better understanding of it, rather than saying hehe why would you, if you never try anything how will you know what your talking about.

I had thought about it before and have friends that have done one before but i never did,

it's nothing new, like all those diets that people swear by, people who try them think its right for them, millions of people have different view points on everything under the sun

boomtown84

briankeating wrote: »

I am selectivly quoting you, no bullying though. Would eating your days calories in a 6 hour window lead to a greater insulin spike than spreading across a day? Wouldn't this be a bad thing?

Basically, no, it won't lead to an overall greater amount of insulin being released. Lipogenesis (creation of fat), which insulin stimulates, will only exceed lipolysis (breakdown of fat) after a meal. During fasting , lipolysis will exceed lipogenesis. So over 24hrs, on maintenance cals, this will balance itself out.
Is that what you're getting at?

ferike1

Okay for me personally

Why is it good - I can eat more fruit and oats (love them) than I previously did on training days. And in general on training days I don't worry as much on what I eat.

I feel satiated after my meals and don't have an urge to snack on bad foods.

I have dropped around 6kgs (roughly a stone for non-metric heads) while increasing all major lifts and pullups/muscle ups.

I am researching the science behind it and gaining a better understanding of why exactly it works so well.
Might not be for everyone but after a while it just sort of becomes a way of life.

(just bringing this back on track!)

UL_heart_throb

Hanley wrote: »

Clearly, the question was inferred.

I give up. This is going nowhere. You win the internet.

I think you mean implied.

I think this thread started off promising and has gone so wonky even I can't put it back on track.

I can't make sense of the argument yet because there seems to be two factors being discussed together.

1. The merits of intermittent fasting.
2. The merits of intermittent fasting combined with high intensity exercise.

The latter seems to have some evidence for increasing HGH levels and improving insulin activity but I don't know if that's purely due to the HIE, partly due to the IF, or if HIE and IF work synergistically.

Hope one of the big cats can make sense of this for me, my usual plan of googling the question hard for 15 mins then coming with an answer fails me.

rocky

UL_heart_throb wrote: »

I think you mean implied.
Hope one of the big cats can make sense of this for me, my usual plan of googling the question hard for 15 mins then coming with an answer fails me.

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http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Research
(also click on OlderPosts)

He eats cheese cake and looks like he does...

ferike1

That's exactly why I started! Martin looks sick! Plus who doesn't love cheesecake!?

Hanley

ferike1 wrote: »

That's exactly why I started! Martin looks sick! Plus who doesn't love cheesecake!?

Cheesecake?

The early promise of this thread is finally being fulfilled.

ferike1

Yes, cheesecake!

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cc87 wrote: »

why is intermittent fasting good/beneficial and why would someone want to do it??

personally i just find it easier for cutting. Dont eat breakfast. Just have coffee or whatever. Then get to eat a load of food in the evening and still be on a calorie deficit.