Bilderberg 2012 list.

Run_to_da_hills

This time of year again not sure if this list is accurate but no doubt we should no doubt see some familiar faces.

Bilderberg is where the globalist elite crime syndicate all gather together in secret to discuss how to indoctrinate and control the masses to assist in sorting out the worlds problems.

http://thetruthisnow.com/headlines/exclusive-bilderberg-2012-list-of-participants-revealed/

http://www.theglobalistreport.com/bilderberg-group-meeting-2012/

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This time of year again not sure if this list is accurate but no doubt we should no doubt see some familiar faces.

Bilderberg is where the globalist elite crime syndicate all gather together in secret to discuss how to indoctrinate and control the masses to assist in sorting out the worlds problems.

http://thetruthisnow.com/headlines/exclusive-bilderberg-2012-list-of-participants-revealed/

http://www.theglobalistreport.com/bilderberg-group-meeting-2012/

Well they've been around since the 1950's. Human rights, freedom and equality have all improved since..

so obviously their indoctrination and controlling methods aren't really working so well.

RichieC

Jonny7 wrote: »

Well they've been around since the 1950's. Human rights, freedom and equality have all improved since..

so obviously their indoctrination and controlling methods aren't really working so well.

You, my son, would want to take your head out of your arse.

hooradiation

RichieC wrote: »

You, my son, would want to take your head out of your arse.

And yet, he's not wrong.

The 50's were terrible.

Run_to_da_hills

Jonny7 wrote: »

Well they've been around since the 1950's. Human rights, freedom and equality have all improved since..

so obviously their indoctrination and controlling methods aren't really working so well.

freedom ???? LOL. A Picture says a 1000 words,

Zen Gardener writes a good satire about these secret meetings and addresses some of its agendas, nothing new of course including the Gates of Hell and its blueprint to enslave the masses.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2178/468/The_Illuminati_Pledge_of_Allegiance.html

RichieC

hooradiation wrote: »

And yet, he's not wrong.

The 50's were terrible.

It's all just smoke and mirrors. The hand around our necks only tightens while apologists like jonny work overtime to keep the illusion.

hooradiation

RichieC wrote: »

It's all just smoke and mirrors. The hand around our necks only tightens while apologists like jonny work overtime to keep the illusion.

Well, that's certainly poetic.
Not sure if it's true.

RichieC

hooradiation wrote: »

Well, that's certainly poetic.
Not sure if it's true.

I've no doubt it's true, for all of our history the elites and rich have been authoritarian. In the west, they have made a science of controlling populations without being overtly authoritarian.

Sonics2k

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

freedom ???? LOL. A Picture says a 1000 words,

The whole "a picture says a 1000 words" thing doesn't really work if it's a bloody obvious photoshop ad.

If you insist on linking images, can you please make them real ones, and not a complete and utter waste of time.

@richie
Human rights in the Western world are far far far better than what they were in the 1950's. This is a fact.
There are still hundreds of things wrong with the western world, but our rights are much better than what they once were.

Don't even try arguing it.

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

freedom ???? LOL. A Picture says a 1000 words,

Zen Gardener writes a good satire about these secret meetings and addresses some of its agendas, nothing new of course including the Gates of Hell and its blueprint to enslave the masses.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2178/468/The_Illuminati_Pledge_of_Allegiance.html

Yeah but Mao's China and Stalin's Russia were far closer to "enslaving the masses" in the 50's than either are today.

RTTH have a read about the Stasi, up to 1 in 8 people in East Germany was an agent or connected to the Stasi - that's not even a conspiracy, that's fact, that's what happened, it really was "1984"

So the communists of 60-odd years ago make this Bilderberg group look like amateurs.

RichieC

"that's not even a conspiracy"

:rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

Sonics2k wrote: »

The whole "a picture says a 1000 words" thing doesn't really work if it's a bloody obvious photoshop ad.

If you insist on linking images, can you please make them real ones, and not a complete and utter waste of time.

@richie
Human rights in the Western world are far far far better than what they were in the 1950's. This is a fact.
There are still hundreds of things wrong with the western world, but our rights are much better than what they once were.

Don't even try arguing it.

"You, my son, would also want to take your head out of your arse".

Do you even have a mobile phone? Are you aware that every text message, email, and site you browse is held under EU data reyention laws and shared with the US under so called fight terrorism bills.

Here is one from a newspaper and this is 4 years ago which is old news when it comes to this topic.

How Big Brother watches your every move

"In our ever-growing surveillance society, the average Briton is being recorded 3,000 times a week. Richard Gray reports".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2571041/How-Big-Brother-watches-your-every-move.html

Jonny7 wrote: »

Yeah but Mao's China and Stalin's Russia were far closer to "enslaving the masses" in the 50's than either are today.

RTTH have a read about the Stasi, up to 1 in 8 people in East Germany was an agent or connected to the Stasi - that's not even a conspiracy, that's fact, that's what happened, it really was "1984"

So the communists of 60-odd years ago make this Bilderberg group look like amateurs.

"You, my son, would also too want to take your head out of your arse".

1994 is a workshop manual for today's elite, have you even read the book or watched the movie?

You are staring straight at a two way TV right now that is recording every you do. The EU and India are ready to e_tag millions of its citizens with smart cards, these are far wore than anything Hitler or Stalin ever came up with. They can hold invisible information, they can be read through clothes, they can be read without your knowledge from a distance through electronic door portals or hand held scanners,

This 5 year old video will give you a fair insight to what's in store for us in the guise of the RFID EU identity card / Bill Gates global vaccination ID or what ever else these guys at this Bilderberg 2012 meeting want to guise it as.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haFs6_1U3F8

Channel Zero

The media silence about this will be deafening. As usual.

Check out the laughable teeny tiny wiki page here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
One of my favourite bits on it is this:

In his 1980 essay The Bilderberg and the West, researcher Peter Thompson argues that the Bilderberg group is a meeting ground for top executives from the world’s leading multinational corporations and top national political figures to consider jointly the immediate and long-term problems facing the West.

:pac:
It should read,

the Bilderberg group is a meeting ground for top executives from the world’s leading multinational corporations and top national political figures to consider jointly the immediate and long-term problems facing the rich.

hooradiation

RichieC wrote: »

I've no doubt it's true, for all of our history the elites and rich have been authoritarian. In the west, they have made a science of controlling populations without being overtly authoritarian.

And yet, no evidence is offered.
I will maintain my skepticism.

RichieC

hooradiation wrote: »

And yet, no evidence is offered.
I will maintain my skepticism.

That's false scepticism, there is well enough evidence mounting since the end of WW2 to show more and more centralised control of our societies, increasing use of propaganda and false news to manufacture public opinion.

Operation northwoods, had that leaked in a free society there would have been revolution! especially after 9/11 happened to use half of the ideas put forward in it. Rice stated "we never imagined someone would use planes to crash into buildings" - a dam lie, it was in the operation northwood document.

How many people have to die before you grace us with some of this scepticism? South America during the cold war, Vietnam, Iraq?

It's well known now that the gulf of tonkin incident that lead to the Vietnam war was a pack of lies. nearly 60k Americans sent to their deaths because of it. happy days for the elite who made bombs, though! 7 million tonnes of bombs!

The stories from an innocent little girl in tears telling us how Sadams army were throwing babies out of incubators to die on the floor, an other pack of lies to sell another war.

Then the nonsense leading up to the second Gulf war! and the level of narrative control by the US government during it..

How about Iran contra scandal? not a single day in prison spent by anyone involved. jokingly one guy who in protest stole a street sign named after one of the defendants is said to be the only man to do time for that scandal.

And now we're inundated day after day with more lies about Iran, and all to convince us we need to spend more money we don't have to basically start WW3.

We are not free, If we were we'd have done something about these shysters by now. Instead they receive life time achievement presidential medals.

Over here we get saddled with a generation of debt so that a bunch of bankers can remain in their silken undies, and all while poverty in this country begins to creep back. Oh everyone is "angry" - but it still happens.

free my hole.

Barlett

I wouldn't read too much into that list...if it was real surely Paul Gallagher wouldn't be still listed as Attorney General, a year after he left office?

hooradiation

RichieC wrote: »

Operation northwoods, had that leaked in a free society there would have been revolution!

It did, there wasn't. Assuming that because events didn't play out as you expected therefore something sinister is at work is faulty reasoning, at best.

RichieC wrote: »

especially after 9/11 happened to use half of the ideas put forward in it. Rice stated "we never imagined someone would use planes to crash into buildings" - a dam lie, it was in the operation northwood document.

And this proves what, exactly? That this is all an elaborate lie or that people in office nearly forty years later don't have that document committed to memory?

RichieC wrote: »

How many people have to die before you grace us with some of this scepticism?

When people start actually putting forward evidence instead of using trite logical fallacies like the above.

RichieC wrote: »

It's well known now that the gulf of tonkin incident that lead to the Vietnam war was a pack of lies.

Nope, not "well known" at all. There were two seperate incidents, one real and the other where the Maddox shot at nothing for a few hours.

RichieC wrote: »

*snip*

Guess what kid, nations are inherently shitty to each other in the pursuit of what they want. And it's been this was since the dawn of time. Pick up a history book some time an have a look at, say, renaissance Italy. Machiavelli wrote "the prince" during this period of time, what is it that makes you think the modern age is any different to then?

I know it's human nature to believe that the period in which you live is the one where things have been the worst ever, but that's just natural biases at work.
The same way people think summers used to be longer or that kids were better behaved back in their day.

RichieC wrote: »

We are not free, If we were we'd have done something about these shysters by now.

If we're not free how are you allowed to continue to so 'bravely' crusade onwards? I would have thought with the complete lack of freedoms you're supposedly living under that such dissent wouldn't be tolerated?
I'm not being serious, of course, your continued existence makes no case either way, but I just wanted to try using your reasoning for a second.
It's fun, I'll give you that.

But, once again, because things have not played out as you've imagined they ought to is evidence of nothing more than events not playing out as you believe they ought to. And nothing more.

RichieC wrote: »

Over here we get saddled with a generation of debt so that a bunch of bankers can remain in their silken undies, and all while poverty in this country begins to creep back. Oh everyone is "angry" - but it still happens.

free my hole.

I'm sorry you take the liberties you have for granted, but puerile, populist rage is not evidence of anything other than you are angry.
Not convincing I'm afraid, no matter how self evident your anger makes these things to you.

RichieC

hooradiation wrote: »

I'm sorry you take the liberties you have for granted, but puerile, populist rage is not evidence of anything other than you are angry.
Not convincing I'm afraid, no matter how self evident your anger makes these things to you.

I should be thankful I'm allowed have so called liberties?

You simply do not get what I'm saying, and I'm sorry for you. perhaps you will wake up one day.

The Allegory of the Cave comes to mind.

hooradiation

RichieC wrote: »

I should be thankful I'm allowed have so called liberties?

Yes.
Many people the word over do not have the same freedoms you have.
A little bit of goddamn perspective would not go amiss.

RichieC wrote: »

You simply do not get what I'm saying, and I'm sorry for you. perhaps you will wake up one day.

I do love the consistent pattern whereby on meeting the slightest resistance to the notion that your screed is a totally self evident truth the response is to go "yeah, well, i just feel sorry for you, wake up some day"

heres a radical idea, instead of running away, how about you actually try and stand behind this amazing truth you've beheld?

RichieC

hooradiation wrote: »

Yes.
Many people the word over do not have the same freedoms you have.
A little bit of goddamn perspective would not go amiss.



I do love the consistent pattern whereby on meeting the slightest resistance to the notion that your screed is a totally self evident truth the response is to go "yeah, well, i just feel sorry for you, wake up some day"

heres a radical idea, instead of running away, how about you actually try and stand behind this amazing truth you've beheld?

I stand fully behind my idea, man. I just don't have the word smithery to defend it.

Monty Burnz

RichieC wrote: »

You, my son, would want to take your head out of your arse.

You think the Ireland of 1950 was more free than the Ireland of today? Seriously??

Do you think Russia is more or less free? Or China? (both still have huge issues, but they are a hell of a lot better than they were)

enno99

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You think the Ireland of 1950 was more free than the Ireland of today? Seriously??

So a time when we could make all our own laws
And if we needed to tweak our constitution it would not be dictated to us by Europe

we were less free

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You think the Ireland of 1950 was more free than the Ireland of today? Seriously??

Do you think Russia is more or less free? Or China? (both still have huge issues, but they are a hell of a lot better than they were)

And the elephant in the room.

Monty Burnz

enno99 wrote: »

So a time when we could make all our own laws
And if we needed to tweak our constitution it would not be dictated to us by Europe

we were less free

Yes - if you were a woman who wanted contraception, or you wanted to read some (banned) great literature, or you happened to be gay, or whatever.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And the elephant in the room.

Of course, the elephant in the room - the ability to photoshop any sort of bullsh!t image that you please.

I like how you volunteer yourself for this 'Big Brother' surveillance programme, by the way. I imagine if you were genuinely worried you just wouldn't use a computer?

hooradiation

RichieC wrote: »

I stand fully behind my idea, man. I just don't have the word smithery to defend it.

That is a shame.

Though there is a bot mot often attributed to Einstein that I feel is appropriate here
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

Sonics2k

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Of course, the elephant in the room - the ability to photoshop any sort of bullsh!t image that you please.

I like how you volunteer yourself for this 'Big Brother' surveillance programme, by the way. I imagine if you were genuinely worried you just wouldn't use a computer?

I bet he's the type to use Linux or so because he's convinced Bill Gates is watching him through the web with Windows.

Channel Zero

Sonics2k wrote: »

I bet he's the type to use Linux or so because he's convinced Bill Gates is watching him through the web with Windows.

I bet you're the type that only comes on here to crack bad jokes.

Sonics2k

Channel Zero wrote: »

I bet you're the type that only comes on here to crack bad jokes.

You bet wrong

Tzar Chasm

in fairness we have more freedoms now than we did in the 1950's but Less I think than we did in the 90's.

we seem to be taking a backward step towards authoritarianism and as a whole the population seems to be hoodwinked into demanding more draconian measures for their own protection.

We've seen two european Prime ministers ousted and replaced with Banker/Economist types

We have this insane referendum about the Fiscal Treaty which wants to enshrine a specific econmic model in Our Constitution

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

We've seen two european Prime ministers ousted and replaced with Banker/Economist types]

Entirely justified in those cases though. Greece and Italy were going down the toilet under Berlusconi and the whole farrago of corrupt Greek muppet leaders. I suppose countries should have the right to turn themselves into failed states, but for the greater good of the populace, I don't have a huge issue with installing competent leaders on a temporary basis with the support of their democratically elected parliaments.

Tzar Chasm

We've had the selfdetermination discusion before I think, but this is not even a case of that, what Right do these small cabals have to remove the Elected leader of a country if he displeases them, in both cases Elections should have happened straightaway, however many Austerity bills were rushed through in the hope that the Fiskal compakt would be enshrined in law before any elections were 'allowed'

profitius

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Entirely justified in those cases though. Greece and Italy were going down the toilet under Berlusconi and the whole farrago of corrupt Greek muppet leaders. I suppose countries should have the right to turn themselves into failed states, but for the greater good of the populace, I don't have a huge issue with installing competent leaders on a temporary basis with the support of their democratically elected parliaments.

Its just replacing criminals with more criminals.

enno99

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yes - if you were a woman who wanted contraception, or you wanted to read some (banned) great literature, or you happened to be gay, or whatever.

well that goes to show how much influence institutions and specific groups can have on governments

Run_to_da_hills

Neelie Kroes is on the list and no doubt she will be pushing the following agenda on a global scale.

Neelie Kroes, the EU's Digital Agenda Commissioner, will present by the beginning of June a new legislative proposal which aims “to facilitate cross-border electronic transactions” through the adoption of harmonised e-signatures, e-identities and electronic authentication services (eIAS) across EU member states, according to an internal document seen by EurActiv.

http://www.euractiv.com/infosociety/brussels-wants-identities-eu-citizens-news-512833

Monty Burnz

profitius wrote: »

Its just replacing criminals with more criminals.

Not really, no.

Monty Burnz

enno99 wrote: »

well that goes to show how much influence institutions and specific groups can have on governments

It also shows that we enjoy more freedom now than we did in the past, contrary to what was claimed.

enno99

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It also shows that we enjoy more freedom now than we did in the past, contrary to what was claimed.

No you are just being argumentative

Yes there are certain things that people can do now that they could not before that is true but there have been other bans put in place that were not there before

But the country as a whole we have become less free to determine our own way and are being dictated to from outside sources

And we shall be voting on whether to concede more on Thursday

Now to get back on topic

The Bilderberg group how many Irish attorney generals have been attending over the years

And what can they bring to the group?

How many referendums have we had over the years that were instigated by Europe

Tzar Chasm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It also shows that we enjoy more freedom now than we did in the past, contrary to what was claimed.

what is your opinion on the statement
we have more fredom than the 50's but Less than the 90's ?

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

what is your opinion on the statement
we have more fredom than the 50's but Less than the 90's ?

I'd have to think about it, and I suppose it would depend on how you define 'freedom'. I can't think of any freedoms I've lost since the 90s, but security checks on airlines etc. are more thorough which is a pain in the ass. On the other hand, the internet has greatly added to the freedoms I have.

Can you think of freedoms lost vs freedoms gained in the last 20 years?

Monty Burnz

enno99 wrote: »

No you are just being argumentative

Yes there are certain things that people can do now that they could not before that is true but there have been other bans put in place that were not there before

Such as?

enno99 wrote: »

But the country as a whole we have become less free to determine our own way and are being dictated to from outside sources

By choice. We could have told those 'outside forces' to take a hike but we'd have a had a sovereign default. Our elected representatives thought that cooperating with these 'outside forces' for a period would be less painful for the people (and certainly less painful to their chances of surviving as a political party).

enno99

Off the top of my head smoking ban

How about answering the rest of my post

Monty Burnz

enno99 wrote: »

Off the top of my head smoking ban

Um...which allows me the freedom to eat in a restaurant without somebody polluting the air? Or work in a bar without risking serious health effects?

I'm sorry, but I'd regard the ban on smoking as similar to the ban on shooting people that you don't like - an improvement in freedom.

Do you have anything better? Any unambiguous loss of freedom?

enno99 wrote: »

How about answering the rest of my post

The rest of your post can be answered with info in the public domain, my opinion on it isn't worth much extra surely?

enno99

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Um...which allows me the freedom to eat in a restaurant without somebody polluting the air? Or work in a bar without risking serious health effects?

I'm sorry, but I'd regard the ban on smoking as similar to the ban on shooting people that you don't like - an improvement in freedom.

Do you have anything better? Any unambiguous loss of freedom?

The rest of your post can be answered with info in the public domain, my opinion on it isn't worth much extra surely?

So your right to a smoke free area trumps mine to enjoy a cigarette with my coffee or a pint

So its ok to impose restrictions when it don't effect you

Do you think there could have been a middle ground and the freedom to choose rather than just an outright ban

On the contrary your opinion would be as valid as anybody's

With almost 9000 posts I'm sure you professed your opinion on many things

hooradiation

enno99 wrote: »

So your right to a smoke free area trumps mine to enjoy a cigarette with my coffee or a pint

Pretty much.
Because while you might be ok with the damage the cigarette does to your body, you're also doing damage to people around you. You don't get to make that choice for them.

Deal with it.

Monty Burnz

enno99 wrote: »

So your right to a smoke free area trumps mine to enjoy a cigarette with my coffee or a pint

So its ok to impose restrictions when it don't effect you

Do you think there could have been a middle ground and the freedom to choose rather than just an outright ban

Strange argument. Your right to ruin my meal and poison my workplace trumps my right to eat in peace and work safely? And let me guess - I have the freedom to eat at home, and work somewhere else? Why don't you - the person spreading the pollution - not have to face the restriction, rather than the innocent victim?

enno99 wrote: »

On the contrary your opinion would be as valid as anybody's

With almost 9000 posts I'm sure you professed your opinion on many things

I have indeed, but the number of referenda in Ireland is not a matter of my opinion.

enno99

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Strange argument. Your right to ruin my meal and poison my workplace trumps my right to eat in peace and work safely? And let me guess - I have the freedom to eat at home, and work somewhere else? Why don't you - the person spreading the pollution - not have to face the restriction, rather than the innocent victim?

No I dont want to infringe on your rights at all

If the choice was available I would use an establishment that suited my needs
I fear you would do the same


In regards to the working place I think the business or company also have the right to set rules for their employees

I don't disagree with smoking restrictions in some cases

I have indeed, but the number of referenda in Ireland is not a matter of my opinion.

That was not the whole question but you are intent on avoiding it

Monty Burnz

enno99 wrote: »

No I dont want to infringe on your rights at all

If the choice was available I would use an establishment that suited my needs
I fear you would do the same

The choice was never available. The solution arrived at was the best compromise to protect the rights of smokers (you can still smoke) and the majority of people who don't smoke (you can't smoke anywhere you want).

enno99 wrote: »

That was not the whole question but you are intent on avoiding it

If you point out exactly what you want an opinion on I will offer one if possible.

Jonny7

Are you guys really doing this?

Laws regarding discrimination, equality in the workplace, equal rights pay, social welfare, health benefits, statutory rights, company and corporate law, public safety, road safety, police regulation, education rights, the list goes on and on.

Not just Ireland, but everywhere. Go to Russia, China, South Africa, the whole of Eastern Europe, virtually all of South America, Spain, Germany, Italy and you are visiting vastly different places than what they were in the 50's.

The argument that we in Ireland or "we" in the world are less free, have less rights and have less equality than 60 years ago is frankly ridiculous.

superluck

Yeah, but not everyone had to live the debt-mocratic way Jonny7

At one time many people lived in tribes and were quite content without having to work for a bank.

It's all relative really, some have benefit greatly from debtmocracy while others have lost and suffered immeasurably.

I think you're bit ignorant to believe everything is better for everyone, that's too simplistic a view.

Jonny7

superluck wrote: »

Yeah, but not everyone had to live the debt-mocratic way Jonny7

At one time many people lived in tribes and were quite content without having to work for a bank.

It's all relative really, some have benefit greatly from debtmocracy while others have lost and suffered immeasurably.

I think you're bit ignorant to believe everything is better for everyone, that's too simplistic a view.

The world is freer in general.

North Korea is worse than it used to be, DRC is worse than it used to be, but the world in general is freer and people have more rights than they did half a century ago.

On average, the standard of living has increased, the populations relative wealth has risen, our individual rights have increased..

We all still complain about it on a daily basis, such is life, but anyone who actually thinks that we in general had more rights, freedom and equality over six decades ago seriously needs to pick up a history book or get their head examined.

Whatever "evil" the Bilderburg group is up to - they aren't doing a very good job of it.