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Reporting directly to the police on facebook.com

  • 23-05-2012 7:08pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    Hello I am involved in a very small group of people who are interested in finding ways to stop child abuse images and videos from getting onto facebook.

    We believe if there was an option to report child exploititive material directly to the police on facebook itself it would serve to frighten paedophiles and others away from that forum.

    We think if someone comes across some bad content (say child abuse) they see the options.

      • Spam or scam
      • Nudity or pornography
      • Graphic violence
      • Hate speech or symbol
      • Illegal drug use
    None of these are anywhere close to what child abuse is.

    If there was an option to report to your local police hotline the police would see it fast could inform facebook of what it is and it would be removed quickly.

    The reporter would be happy, the police would be happy and facebook would be happy.

    Obviously your IP address would determine which hotline you'd be reporting to.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    I don't get the point of this. How would reporting it to police get it removed faster than reporting it to Facebook itself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I don't get the point of this. How would reporting it to police get it removed faster than reporting it to Facebook itself?

    Reporting child abuse to facebook only helps to hide it.

    Several of the people we have come across have had up to 20 to 30 profiles before they are finally caught by the police (thanks to private citizens informing the police and not reporting it to facebook).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    Here's a link for anyone to have a look at.

    It gives more detail of the problem which exists on facebook.

    There are 4 parts to the story


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    No it helps prevent it as they no longer have access to that account. I still don't see what good it is reporting it to your local Gardaí as the person who owns the profile could be in any country. The better option would be to put pressure on Facebook to set up a child protection department that actively track the abusers and notify their local police.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Only the stupidest of the stupid would be using facebook to engage in that sort of activity. Rock on reporting it to the Gardai or what ever but it's really a complete non-issue tbh.

    I'd give that article about as much credence as the stuff I read in those Now magazines my wife leaves in the toilet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    MagicSean wrote: »
    No it helps prevent it as they no longer have access to that account. I still don't see what good it is reporting it to your local Gardaí as the person who owns the profile could be in any country. The better option would be to put pressure on Facebook to set up a child protection department that actively track the abusers and notify their local police.

    It is not facebook's job to do that and they will not do it, we've asked.

    Their job is to stop it getting onto the site and to inform the NCMEC when they become aware of child abuse on their site however the options they give to report child abuse do not get the attention needed for them to be aware of child abuse on the site.

    It takes about 2 minutes to set up an e-mail and to set up a facebook account.....getting an account deleted is easy.

    The problem is that many of the bad profiles on facebook are posting pictures and videos of themselves abusing children, these children will not be saved if the profiles are just deleted.

    Case in point is a guy called Robert Hull...here

    There are others who abused children and posted child abuse content on facebook, they had plently of accounts as well.

    Getting deleted is just a nusiance for them.

    The kids keep on being abused.

    The only thing that abusers fear is the law.

    That is why we believe an option to report directly to L.E (Law Enforcement) would help save children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    That is why we believe an option to report directly to L.E (Law Enforcement) would help save children.

    You seem to be suggesting that there isn't already that option. There are numerous bodies you can report it to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    Only the stupidest of the stupid would be using facebook to engage in that sort of activity. Rock on reporting it to the Gardai or what ever but it's really a complete non-issue tbh.

    Child abusers are really stupid and are using the site to share images and videos on open walls.
    I'd give that article about as much credence as the stuff I read in those Now magazines my wife leaves in the toilet.

    You should do your own investigation on child abuse on facebook just to prove it wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    You should do your own investigation on child abuse on facebook just to prove it wrong.

    What sort of investigation have you done?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    You seem to be suggesting that there isn't already that option. There are numerous bodies you can report it to.

    There is no option on facebook to report it to the police.

    If there was then child abuse profiles would not be so keen to go on there and at the very least they would be far more private which would help to reduce the amount of child abuse images circulating.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Child abusers are really stupid and are using the site to share images and videos on open walls.

    Unfortunately the contrary is true in the vast majority of cases and the people involved have used some very sophisticated security. Still there are thick people in all walks of life why should paedophiles be any different.
    You should do your own investigation on child abuse on facebook just to prove it wrong.

    I didn't say it was wrong. Sensationalist, alarmist and out of date maybe.

    Scaring them off of Facebook may, in the end, be counter productive. If people use this type of insecure medium for transmitting this type of stuff then it's very easy to catch them. Catching them is ultimately the only way the abuse stops. Law Enforcement know this - so aren't going to support any big noise to try and scare them off until there is a political reason to do so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭jblack


    Why would there be an option on Facebook to report it to the Police; just report it to the Police.


    Surely we haven't reached a stage in human evolution where we need a Facebook icon in order to do something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    There is no option on facebook to report it to the police.

    If there was then child abuse profiles would not be so keen to go on there and at the very least they would be far more private which would help to reduce the amount of child abuse images circulating.

    Its a sad reality that one way to catch them is have the images circulating. As paedophiles use more and more sophisticated methods and become more insulated child abuse of this type will go undetected.

    Look at cases like that of Kylie Freeman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    Owen wrote: »
    What sort of investigation have you done?

    I am involved in the small group as I said.

    From here

    "Operation Laminar was launched after evidence was provided to authorities in 20 countries, including Interpol and the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) child exploitation unit."

    I know where the evidence came from.

    We know there is literally a mountain of child abuse on facebook which the vast majority of people never come across.

    We also know that we have only scratched the surface of what is on there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    jblack wrote: »
    Why would there be an option on Facebook to report it to the Police; just report it to the Police.


    Surely we haven't reached a stage in human evolution where we need a Facebook icon in order to do something?

    I agree with you here completely but most people do not want to get off their backside and go and actually go down to their local police station and report it.

    I went down to my own local Garda Station to report 3 Windows Live profiles and the Garda refused to take them off me.

    Our idea is simple if facebook had something like that it would deter paedophiles more which would in turn save children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    So no real investigation at all so. Reeks of the 'everyone's a paedo' society we now live in, and it's so sad we're going down this road.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    I agree with you here completely but most people do not want to get off their backside and go and actually go down to their local police station and report it.

    I went down to my own local Garda Station to report 3 Windows Live profiles and the Garda refused to take them off me.

    Our idea is simple if facebook had something like that it would deter paedophiles more which would in turn save children.

    How did you know the owners of the profiles were in Ireland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Our idea is simple if facebook had something like that it would deter paedophiles more which would in turn save children.

    Your idea seems a bit illogical given what is contained in those articles.

    The abuse has been stopped due to the perpetrators being arrested. Arguably if they hadn't been using facebook the abuse would have continued.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Deleted - Youtube clip contained nudity.

    Look up Pedogeddon (Brass eye)

    The 'sound wave' bit just gets me everytime.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    Hi Break The Silence, facebook already work with law enforcement to help tackle child abuse on facebook which is rampent. My girlfriend worked in facebook where they reviewed the material that was reported. The team there had to look at many child abuse images (porn and other stuff) that was reported by members of the site. Images involving children was always escalated and passed on the relevant information to the police and organisations who work to try and catch those responsible.

    There are options to report content all over facebook so people should really use it. I suspect only a fraction of the content is actually reported since abusers are generally only friends with other abusers so that they can share content.

    I don't think facebook do enough though.they are only dealing with what is reported rather than developing software that analyses images and videos for likely child porn. The gardai in ireland especially do not have the resources to filter through images reported to gather evidence. Facebook should be the ones responsible for doing it as they are making money from their website.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    Call me stupid, but the fact your looking for it, doesn't that open you up to charges of seeking and downloading this stuff much like the person ( cant think of his name ) who claimed he was writing an article or expose on it a few years back? What's to prevent you from being charged with looking for and or downloading this stuff? :confused: Cant see why you'd want to expose yourself to that charge to be honest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    Unfortunately the contrary is true in the vast majority of cases and the people involved have used some very sophisticated security. Still there are thick people in all walks of life why should paedophiles be any different.

    Absolutely true but the numbers of paedophiles that are smart is dwarfed by the numbers that are thick.
    I didn't say it was wrong. Sensationalist, alarmist and out of date maybe.

    Scaring them off of Facebook may, in the end, be counter productive. If people use this type of insecure medium for transmitting this type of stuff then it's very easy to catch them. Catching them is ultimately the only way the abuse stops. Law Enforcement know this - so aren't going to support any big noise to try and scare them off until there is a political reason to do so

    A lot of the new child abuse images and videos that are posted (I've been told) are commercially produced if there was not a demand for them then children would be saved.

    The Irish govt is the one that can make that change if they had a mind to.

    Because facebook Ireland is the country that facebook has its worldwide HQ it is Irish law that dictates what measures all companies have to adhere to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    I can't think of a single person I know who wouldn't report child abuse to the Gardai, or any law enforcement agency..... I know people wouldn't "get up off their arse" to report a video of joyriding etc, but raping a child is different.

    I also think FB would be seriously sketchy about giving the option to accuse someone of being a pedophile!!

    You're campaigning for something which no one would argue against, but you'd be better off campaigning for the Gardai to have a dedicated social media watch type thing than for one of the biggest Co's in the world to take on something so 'touchy', excuse the pun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭jblack


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    I can't think of a single person I know who wouldn't report child abuse to the Gardai, or any law enforcement agency..... I know people wouldn't "get up off their arse" to report a video of joyriding etc, but raping a child is different.

    I also think FB would be seriously sketchy about giving the option to accuse someone of being a pedophile!!

    You're campaigning for something which no one would argue against, but you'd be better off campaigning for the Gardai to have a dedicated social media watch type thing than for one of the biggest Co's in the world to take on something so 'touchy', excuse the pun.

    +1

    although ironic username for this thread


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    A lot of the new child abuse images and videos that are posted (I've been told) are commercially produced if there was not a demand for them then children would be saved.

    I have no data to either confirm or refute what you are saying. It would seem contrary to common sense though to produce child porn commercially and then mae it available on facebook.

    If by commercial you mean people in rings - abusing their children in return for other people posting pictures of them doing the same. I don't someone who is twisted enough to do this keeping their hands off a child based on not being able to get stuff from opther people.
    The Irish govt is the one that can make that change if they had a mind to.

    Change what? UCC is already engaged in research into online child pornography and there is a supposedly excellent Masters at TCD or UCD on cybercrime available to limited professions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    Owen wrote: »
    So no real investigation at all so. Reeks of the 'everyone's a paedo' society we now live in, and it's so sad we're going down this road.

    Huh?
    MagicSean wrote: »
    How did you know the owners of the profiles were in Ireland?

    Never said they were in Ireland but Mircosoft is based in Ireland so it made sense to report them here
    Your idea seems a bit illogical given what is contained in those articles.

    The abuse has been stopped due to the perpetrators being arrested. Arguably if they hadn't been using facebook the abuse would have continued.

    Yes they were arrested due to being caught and they were caught because someone sent info to the police, if they could have been caught after only one profile being made that migh help to save a child
    UDP wrote: »
    Hi Break The Silence, facebook already work with law enforcement to help tackle child abuse on facebook which is rampent. My girlfriend worked in facebook where they reviewed the material that was reported. The team there had to look at many child abuse images (porn and other stuff) that was reported by members of the site. Images involving children was always escalated and passed on the relevant information to the police and organisations who work to try and catch those responsible.

    There are options to report content all over facebook so people should really use it. I suspect only a fraction of the content is actually reported since abusers are generally only friends with other abusers so that they can share content.

    I don't think facebook do enough though.they are only dealing with what is reported rather than developing software that analyses images and videos for likely child porn. The gardai in ireland especially do not have the resources to filter through images reported to gather evidence. Facebook should be the ones responsible for doing it as they are making money from their website.

    I heard some of the content Analysts from the IWF have serious issues after a long time working there plus I believe the FBI have rules that their agents are ony allowed to work in anti-child abuse for 2 years or they risk burning out.

    A US cop involved in anti-child abuse told me much the same regarding his own officers.
    Call me stupid, but the fact your looking for it, doesn't that open you up to charges of seeking and downloading this stuff much like the person ( cant think of his name ) who claimed he was writing an article or expose on it a few years back? What's to prevent you from being charged with looking for and or downloading this stuff? :confused: Cant see why you'd want to expose yourself to that charge to be honest?

    I remember it was the guy from The Who...name escapes me.

    The simple answer for you is I don't look for it.

    Anyone who looks for it is extremely stupid.

    Ireland has some of the toughest laws regarding viewing of child abuse in the world.

    Next year they plan to bring new legislation which will compele people who are aware of child abuse to report it to the Garda


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    OP you have a noble intent but I think you are focusing on a non-issue. That said you aren't really doing any harm so I wish you the best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    I can't think of a single person I know who wouldn't report child abuse to the Gardai, or any law enforcement agency..... I know people wouldn't "get up off their arse" to report a video of joyriding etc, but raping a child is different.

    I also think FB would be seriously sketchy about giving the option to accuse someone of being a pedophile!!

    You're campaigning for something which no one would argue against, but you'd be better off campaigning for the Gardai to have a dedicated social media watch type thing than for one of the biggest Co's in the world to take on something so 'touchy', excuse the pun.

    Do you know anything about reporting child abuse to the police?

    Have you ever actually tried to?

    I wrote on a piece of paper 3 links to profiles which I'd been told had child abuse on them.

    The Garda refused to take them off me.

    I spoke to the Garda a number of weeks ago they already have complete access to the fb database.

    There are 13,000 Garda it is utterly impossible for them to police the facebook site which now has over 900,000,000 users.
    I have no data to either confirm or refute what you are saying. It would seem contrary to common sense though to produce child porn commercially and then mae it available on facebook.

    If by commercial you mean people in rings - abusing their children in return for other people posting pictures of them doing the same. I don't someone who is twisted enough to do this keeping their hands off a child based on not being able to get stuff from other people.

    Change what? UCC is already engaged in research into online child pornography and there is a supposedly excellent Masters at TCD or UCD on cybercrime available to limited professions.

    No I mean people who are in countries that are paid to rape children and others film the abuse, people pay for it and some upload it onto facebook.

    I understand the way abusers operate is on a barter system trading images and videos.

    Re-Change the way it can be reported.

    There are several pages on facebook that hunt down child abuse videos and profiles just so they can be deleted this does nothing except help to hide content.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Do you know anything about reporting child abuse to the police?

    Have you ever actually tried to?

    I wrote on a piece of paper 3 links to profiles which I'd been told had child abuse on them.

    The Garda refused to take them off me.

    I spoke to the Garda a number of weeks ago they already have complete access to the fb database.

    There are 13,000 Garda it is utterly impossible for them to police the facebook site which now has over 900,000,000 users.

    There are massive worldwide operations on going - you are taking quite a simplistic view and failing to see the bigger picture.
    No I mean people who are in countries that are paid to rape children and others film the abuse, people pay for it and some upload it onto facebook.

    I understand the way abusers operate is on a barter system trading images and videos.

    Change the way it can be reported.

    There are several pages on facebook that hunt down child abuse videos and profiles just so they can be deleted this does nothing except help to hide content.

    So basically Facebook has no bearing on whether these videos would be made or not - it simply makes it easier to track people down.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    OP you have a noble intent but I think you are focusing on a non-issue. That said you aren't really doing any harm so I wish you the best of luck.

    I wish I agreed with you on this but one and a half years after being exposed to what is on facebook I know you are wrong.

    Thank you for the good wishes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Sorry I didn't explain that well. The non-issue is the way you are suggesting reporting it - not the disturbing and sad truth that this goes on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    I heard some of the content Analysts from the IWF have serious issues after a long time working there plus I believe the FBI have rules that their agents are ony allowed to work in anti-child abuse for 2 years or they risk burning out.

    A US cop involved in anti-child abuse told me much the same regarding his own officers.
    Yes, it was pretty tough for her to do but every child abuse image escalated gave a chance that they might catch the perpetrators. User Operations teams were in the US and Ireland but the Irish team has just closed down and I believe the reviewing of reported content is moving to Russia or eastern europe.

    My point is that what you want done is already being done. You cannot stop child porn/abuse content from being uploaded to facebook and reporting directly to the police is a waste of time as the content has to be reviewed first thus facebook have to do that part (which they already do) as the gardai/law enforcement in most countries do not have the resources to do it.

    What you should focus your energy on is highlighting that facebook needs to develop content analysing software try and identify content rather than relying on members reporting it since the child porn rings on facebook are generally only friends with other child abusers. =

    I do know there are groups out there searching for child porn and using the reporting function to put the content into the queue for user operations to analyse and escalate where appropriate - maybe you should focus your energy and group on that and on putting pressure on facebook to develop the analysis software for identifying material.

    It is a very expensive operation for reviewing content at present as there are a lot of false reports so facebook only do what they have to do i.e. deal with reported content and no more than that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    There are massive worldwide operations on going - you are taking quite a simplistic view and failing to see the bigger picture.

    The big picture is that what the police find is literally the tip of the iceberg.

    The best tool the police have is individuals who come across crime and report it to them.

    Facebook has 900,000,000 users the vast majority of them would choose an option to report to the police given the chance.

    If facebook was to impliment such an option then other social network sites would have to do the same.
    So basically Facebook has no bearing on whether these videos would be made or not - it simply makes it easier to track people down.

    Yes correct but because they host they are responsible for the content.

    As soon as facebook (or any other social network) becomes aware of child abuse on their site they are obligued by law to report it to the NCMEC which catalogs the images and then uses photo DNA to track them.

    The NCMEC will then send the info from the profile to any country it has agreements with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    I spoke to the Garda a number of weeks ago they already have complete access to the fb database..
    No they do not. That is a lie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    Yes correct but because they host they are responsible for the content.

    As soon as facebook (or any other social network) becomes aware of child abuse on their site they are obligued by law to report it to the NCMEC which catalogs the images and then uses photo DNA to track them.

    The NCMEC will then send the info from the profile to any country it has agreements with.
    and they do this i.e. report it to the agencies that deal with it so I do not see the point here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    Hello I am involved in a very small group of people who are interested in finding ways to stop child abuse images and videos from getting onto facebook.

    We believe if there was an option to report child exploititive material directly to the police on facebook itself it would serve to frighten paedophiles and others away from that forum.

    We think if someone comes across some bad content (say child abuse) they see the options.

      • Spam or scam
      • Nudity or pornography
      • Graphic violence
      • Hate speech or symbol
      • Illegal drug use
    None of these are anywhere close to what child abuse is.

    If there was an option to report to your local police hotline the police would see it fast could inform facebook of what it is and it would be removed quickly.

    The reporter would be happy, the police would be happy and facebook would be happy.

    Obviously your IP address would determine which hotline you'd be reporting to.

    What material do you mean? Pornographic images are few and far between on Facebook. In fact FB have a system of vetting millions of photos that are uploaded them and matching them against police databases for this very purpose.

    Facebook is a very open forum and designed to be public and therefore not the environment that those who engage in paedophilia to hang out and exchange material.

    Certainly there have been reports of grooming taking place but that is always going to be a risk and not easy to detect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy



    The best tool the police have is individuals who come across crime and report it to them.

    The best tool they have is people posting images of themselves committing crimes on a medium that can be monitored tbh.

    As I say I think you're wasting your time - that said its more than I'm doing to help the issue so I wish you every success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    UDP wrote: »
    Yes, it was pretty tough for her to do but every child abuse image escalated gave a chance that they might catch the perpetrators. User Operations teams were in the US and Ireland but the Irish team has just closed down and I believe the reviewing of reported content is moving to Russia or eastern europe.

    My point is that what you want done is already being done. You cannot stop child porn/abuse content from being uploaded to facebook and reporting directly to the police is a waste of time as the content has to be reviewed first thus facebook have to do that part (which they already do) as the gardai/law enforcement in most countries do not have the resources to do it.

    What you should focus your energy on is highlighting that facebook needs to develop content analysing software try and identify content rather than relying on members reporting it since the child porn rings on facebook are generally only friends with other child abusers. =

    I do know there are groups out there searching for child porn and using the reporting function to put the content into the queue for user operations to analyse and escalate where appropriate - maybe you should focus your energy and group on that and on putting pressure on facebook to develop the analysis software for identifying material.

    It is a very expensive operation for reviewing content at present as there are a lot of false reports so facebook only do what they have to do i.e. deal with reported content and no more than that.

    The reviewing is being done in Morocco I believe.

    This is what I was talking about, you are right we cannot stop child abuse being uploaded onto facebook however our idea is simple.

    If you saw a police car beside you would you be inclined to commit a crime?

    The vast majority of people are not this includes paedophies.

    We discussed most of what you speak of.

    Photo DNA for instance does not work with videos only with still images.

    Yes there are lots of false reports but we think if warnings were given before people reported it would discourage people from making fake claims


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    Is hotline.ie still going? Wasn't their mandate to crack down on this and similar?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    UDP wrote: »
    No they do not. That is a lie.

    I've spoken to Garda who tell me they have complete access to the site.

    I know of others who have spoken to CEOPs officers who say the same.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    BrianD wrote: »
    What material do you mean? Pornographic images are few and far between on Facebook.
    Nope there is a huge amount of pornography uploaded to facebook daily - plus violent and other disgusting content.
    BrianD wrote: »
    In fact FB have a system of vetting millions of photos that are uploaded them and matching them against police databases for this very purpose.
    I don't think they do. I have never heard of it - have you a source for this?
    BrianD wrote: »
    Facebook is a very open forum and designed to be public and therefore not the environment that those who engage in paedophilia to hang out and exchange material.
    It is actually the perfect place for members of child porn rings to hang out and thats why there is so much of that on the website. Many use private profiles with an innocent looking profile pic. They then become friends with others in the hope of sharing content and since it is so easy to share content on the site it makes it very convient for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    I've spoken to Garda who tell me they have complete access to the site.

    I know of others who have spoken to CEOPs officers who say the same.
    I know for a fact that they don't so I think someone was just trying to fob you off by making you believe that they do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Break The Silence


    BrianD wrote: »
    What material do you mean? Pornographic images are few and far between on Facebook. In fact FB have a system of vetting millions of photos that are uploaded them and matching them against police databases for this very purpose.

    The system is called Photo DNA it only works with pictures they know about not new pictures.

    Nor does it work for videos.
    BrianD wrote: »
    Facebook is a very open forum and designed to be public and therefore not the environment that those who engage in paedophilia to hang out and exchange material.

    Yes it is.
    BrianD wrote: »
    Certainly there have been reports of grooming taking place but that is always going to be a risk and not easy to detect.

    No disagreement from me there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭ceegee


    Surely a button to report directly to police would be massively misused by gobsh*te teenagers. Cant see any police agency welcoming the deluge of spam


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    Do you know anything about reporting child abuse to the police?

    Have you ever actually tried to?

    I wrote on a piece of paper 3 links to profiles which I'd been told had child abuse on them.

    The Garda refused to take them off me.

    I spoke to the Garda a number of weeks ago they already have complete access to the fb database.

    There are 13,000 Garda it is utterly impossible for them to police the facebook site which now has over 900,000,000 users.

    I've never had to report it to the police no, thank god.

    If I go to the police and say "I've been told that so and so has done something" I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously tbh. You need evidence rather than hearsay.


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    ceegee wrote: »
    Surely a button to report directly to police would be massively misused by gobsh*te teenagers. Cant see any police agency welcoming the deluge of spam

    Agreed here as well.

    We spoke about this as well and reckon people misusing the feature should be charged with wasting police time or something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    The system is called Photo DNA it only works with pictures they know about not new pictures.

    Nor does it work for videos.
    Yes, facebook do not use this though. It is done manually at present only for reported content. The biggest problem with that method is that changing a few pixels causes alot of problems with analysing content and many involved in child porn rings know this and it causes huge problems for cataloging the child abuse content as human intervention is still required.


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    CardinalJ wrote: »
    I've never had to report it to the police no, thank god.

    If I go to the police and say "I've been told that so and so has done something" I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously tbh. You need evidence rather than hearsay.

    All the Garda had to do is take the piece of paper off me go to a computer and type the address in and he'd have seen profiles with child abuse on them.

    The 3 profiles on a social forum which are hosted by a company (Mircosoft) here in Ireland.

    Which country the 3 profiles were from I do not know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    Agreed here as well.

    We spoke about this as well and reckon people misusing the feature should be charged with wasting police time or something.
    Unfortunately the reality here is that police organisations around the world do not have the resources to do this. The courts definitely do not have the time nor resources to go about charging teenagers with wasting police time. It just is not a realistic way to go about it. The only way is for facebook to analyse reported content and filtering out the fakes and false reports and passing on the rest to law enforcement agencies which like I have already said they do.


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