10x10 GVT Anybody tried it!

shligo.bulker

Im starting a GVT variation in a week or two, il start a training log when i do. In the meantime, anybody here see good results with it?

shligo.bulker

Dammit why are all my question marks ending up as exclamation marks every time i post a topic lmao

Barry.Oglesby

I've never tried it but I do love reading about the anguish of people who do. So if you're going to do it, please start a log and let us all read on!

shligo.bulker

Oh il definatly post a complete log including diet, exercises performed, weight being lifted etc and will share my results. Should i post it here or over in strength sports?

Barry.Oglesby

Either one and I'll read. Specifically why are you doing it? Mass or just increase one particular lift?

shligo.bulker

Just going for pure mass. I was pretty big until i started training purely for strength. Dropped from allmost 14 stone to just 11stone. Im stronger than ever now,but look weaker than ever! I dont want to lose strength while gaining muscle so il be doing two workouts a day on certain days. Example heavy weight 1-3 reps early morning, and 10x10 on the same bodypart later that evening. Gonna be tough.

Satanta

shligo.bulker wrote: »

il be doing two workouts a day on certain days. Example heavy weight 1-3 reps early morning, and 10x10 on the same bodypart later that evening. Gonna be tough.

You won't be doing GVT then

Hanley

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Just going for pure mass. I was pretty big until i started training purely for strength. Dropped from allmost 14 stone to just 11stone. Im stronger than ever now,but look weaker than ever! I dont want to lose strength while gaining muscle so il be doing two workouts a day on certain days. Example heavy weight 1-3 reps early morning, and 10x10 on the same bodypart later that evening. Gonna be tough.

You lost 3 stone while strength training?

shligo.bulker

Satanta wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

il be doing two workouts a day on certain days. Example heavy weight 1-3 reps early morning, and 10x10 on the same bodypart later that evening. Gonna be tough.

You won't be doing GVT then

I will be doing a VARIATION of GVT. I wont be doing two workouts every day. I wont get into it now, youl see what i mean when i post my training log when i start.

shligo.bulker

@ hanley, yes i did but that was mainly due to me adjusting my diet for strength training. If i continued eating like a bodybuilder while training as a powerlifter i would just have got very fat. So i cut my calorie and carb intake. Couple that with the sprint training i did to work my fast twitch muscle fibres to make me more explosive, and that added to my weight loss. Plus some of that weight was fat.

shligo.bulker

Just to clear a few things up, here is my personal GVT routine that il be trying. I have no doubt some people will completley disagree with it, but i know my
body and i know this is the best option for me.
Monday: 11am OHP- work up to 1RM. Then 4pm or 5pm- OHP and BP- 10x10

Tuesday: Deadlifts- work up to 1RM, then T-bar rows 10x10, then pull ups 5x5


Wednesday: Squat- work up to 1RM, then dumbell curls 10x10

Thursday: 11am BP- work up to 1RM, then 4pm or 5pm- OHP and BP 10x10

Friday: Deadlifts 10x10, T-bar rows 10x10, pull ups 5x5

Saturday: Squat 10x10, dumbell curls 10x10

And thats it. I may make a few small adjustments, but that looks good to me. I know some will say that doesnt look good, or im doing too much etc but my muscles need frequency to grow. I dont respond to split routines.

drdeadlift

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Just to clear a few things up, here is my personal GVT routine that il be trying. I have no doubt some people will completley disagree with it, but i know my
body and i know this is the best option for me.
Monday: 11am OHP- work up to 1RM. Then 4pm or 5pm- OHP and BP- 10x10

Tuesday: Deadlifts- work up to 1RM, then T-bar rows 10x10, then pull ups 5x5


Wednesday: Squat- work up to 1RM, then dumbell curls 10x10

Thursday: 11am BP- work up to 1RM, then 4pm or 5pm- OHP and BP 10x10

Friday: Deadlifts 10x10, T-bar rows 10x10, pull ups 5x5

Saturday: Squat 10x10, dumbell curls 10x10

And thats it. I may make a few small adjustments, but that looks good to me. I know some will say that doesnt look good, or im doing too much etc but my muscles need frequency to grow. I dont respond to split routines.

looks like a burnout

shligo.bulker

@ dr.deadlift i know a lot of people are going to think that, but in order for me to grow i must work out each muscle 2-3 times a week. Working out each muscle once a week never ever showed me any results. In fact i LOSE muscle by doing that. The only concern i have is that after 10x10 squats on saturday, i wont be fully recovered for deadlifts the following tuesday. My legs are the only muscle in my body that takes a long time to recover. Shoulders,arms,back and chest all recover incredibly quick for me.

JJayoo

Good luck with Wednesday.

shligo.bulker

Who knows, maybe i will burn out and have to completley rethink my routine in which case il eat my words lol. But im confident that il be fine, as i said my legs recovering after 10x10 squats is my only concern.

shligo.bulker

JJayoo wrote: »

Good luck with Wednesday.

Out of all the days you picked wednesday as the toughest? Lol please explain as imo wednesdays gonna be the easiest.

shligo.bulker

Imo tuesday and friday will be the toughest. Are you picking wednesday coz you personally find the squat toug? I find the deadlift tougher tbh, thats why i consider tuesday and friday the most gruelling.

Ray Mond

I think he prob means you'll still be sore on Wednesday from Tuesday..

Mellor

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Out of all the days you picked wednesday as the toughest? Lol please explain as imo wednesdays gonna be the easiest.

There's nothing hard abotu weds, or any day.
The hard part (and the thing it sounds like you are over looking) is that weds is immediately after tuesday. A legit, max effort deadlift and 10 x 10 T Bar rows are going to get in the way of a max squat.

drdeadlift

shligo.bulker wrote: »

@ dr.deadlift i know a lot of people are going to think that, but in order for me to grow i must work out each muscle 2-3 times a week. Working out each muscle once a week never ever showed me any results. In fact i LOSE muscle by doing that. The only concern i have is that after 10x10 squats on saturday, i wont be fully recovered for deadlifts the following tuesday. My legs are the only muscle in my body that takes a long time to recover. Shoulders,arms,back and chest all recover incredibly quick for me.

Have to agree with you on the hight freq bodypart training 7 days between is too long!Since i started training chest three times a week my strength has gone up and up not really growing alot but right now that doesnt matter.Goodluck with the program and remember to eat the table

Paudee

lulz best thread ever.

shligo.bulker

Mellor wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Out of all the days you picked wednesday as the toughest? Lol please explain as imo wednesdays gonna be the easiest.

There's nothing hard abotu weds, or any day.
The hard part (and the thing it sounds like you are over looking) is that weds is immediately after tuesday. A legit, max effort deadlift and 10 x 10 T Bar rows are going to get in the way of a max squat.

Yeah i guess you have a point there. However im gonna have to disagree with you on the "no day is hard" bit as imo every day sounds hard! While i have no experience with 10x10, squats,deadlifts and ohp 10x10 sounds incredibly hard. Especially since i havnt done more than 5 reps on any of those in months! Lol

shligo.bulker

Paudee wrote: »

lulz best thread ever.

Lol why?

drdeadlift

Paudee wrote: »

lulz best thread ever.

Thread doesnt seem all that comical

shligo.bulker

@ dr.deadlift yeah i dunno how some people see great strength and size gains on split routines training each muscle once a week. I wish i was one of those people coz split routines are a lot easier and simpler.

shligo.bulker

Anyway, back on topic. What experience did you guys have with 10x10? From what iv read on various sites and fitness threads people make it sound as if its some magical workout that can turn the skinniest guy into a pro bodybuilder hahaha

Hanley

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Anyway, back on topic. What experience did you guys have with 10x10? From what iv read on various sites and fitness threads people make it sound as if its some magical workout that can turn the skinniest guy into a pro bodybuilder hahaha

You're not doing 10x10. So what does it matter?

shligo.bulker

Hanley wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Anyway, back on topic. What experience did you guys have with 10x10? From what iv read on various sites and fitness threads people make it sound as if its some magical workout that can turn the skinniest guy into a pro bodybuilder hahaha

You're not doing 10x10. So what does it matter?

How do you make that out? Il be doing 10x10 on all the most important lifts at least once a week. Therefore i AM doing 10x10. And if you meant im not doing GVT, then please read the opening comment of the topic. It says im doing my own variation of GVT.

JJayoo

In each of the main lifts what is your 1RM?

Mellor

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Yeah i guess you have a point there. However im gonna have to disagree with you on the "no day is hard" bit as imo every day sounds hard! While i have no experience with 10x10, squats,deadlifts and ohp 10x10 sounds incredibly hard. Especially since i havnt done more than 5 reps on any of those in months! Lol

I meant that no day alone was so hard that it wasn't possible. 1RMs are hard but doable etc

shligo.bulker

JJayoo wrote: »

In each of the main lifts what is your 1RM?

My 1RM on all lifts are: OHP- 68kg, BP- 92kg, squat- 90kg, deadlift- 125kg

i know my stats are far from impressive but im an ectomorph body type and strength is hard for me to achieve. The only lift im proud of is the 68kg OHP since i only weigh a 71-72kg. Iv also only become fully educated about weight training in the last 6 months, before then i hadnt a clue how important diet,technique,routine etc were.

Hanley

shligo.bulker wrote: »

My 1RM on all lifts are: OHP- 68kg, BP- 92kg, squat- 90kg, deadlift- 125kg

i know my stats are far from impressive but im an ectomorph body type and strength is hard for me to achieve. The only lift im proud of is the 68kg OHP since i only weigh a 71-72kg. Iv also only become fully educated about weight training in the last 6 months, before then i hadnt a clue how important diet,technique,routine etc were.

How tall are you?

Unless you're > 6 foot you can't claim to be an ectomorph after eating your way to almost 90kg.

shligo.bulker

I should also note that my squat and deadlift are only that weak because i had to stop doing them for ages and just got back into them about 2 months ago. Not because of injury or anything, just had to stop em for a while due to lack of equipment (i lift at home, cant afford cost of driving to gym every day as i live out in the backarse of nowhere lol)

shligo.bulker

@ hanley, trust me im an ectomorph. Im only 5'9. My wrists are under 6 inches thick and the bottom of my legs arent much thicker. Plus at least a stone of the weight i had was fat from trying GOMAD in a desperate, uneducated attempt at going from skinny to big. GOMAD was a huge mistake tbh, i wouldnt advise it to anybody.

shligo.bulker

I was also only 8 stone most of my life until i hit 9 stone at age 20. Then stayed at 9 stone until about age 22, then made it to 10 stone. Then GOMAD got me to 12 stone within a week. And then i slowly got to my heaviest at 14 stone. But i wish i never used GOMAD, took me ages to lose the fat.

wersal gummage

I've had good results with GVT. But, as stated, this is not GVT so I dont know what advice you're looking for really ? I dont think it is a variation of it either - it is simply not GVT. If this fails for you, I think it would be unfair to criticise the GVT programme based on your experience.

14 stone @ 5 foot 9 is an ectomorph ?? You do realise that, at over 6 foot 2, Johnny Sexton for example is 92 KGs. Now, I'm not saying he's a huge chap - but he aint no ectomorph either.

It sounds to me like you've decided what you're doing and that is that ? And any commentary here is just being rejected ?

Good luck with it anyway.

ray jay

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Yeah i guess you have a point there. However im gonna have to disagree with you on the "no day is hard" bit as imo every day sounds hard! While i have no experience with 10x10, squats,deadlifts and ohp 10x10 sounds incredibly hard. Especially since i havnt done more than 5 reps on any of those in months! Lol

I went straight from a low volume strength routine into 10x10. It's very tough going especially at the start. The lower back pump on my first day of squats was seriously nasty! Don't try to be a hero with the weight on the bar - the first 5 or so sets will seem fairly light but once you get more fatigued you'll see why they recommend starting with a low weight. And don't forget to eat enough!

shligo.bulker

ray jay wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Yeah i guess you have a point there. However im gonna have to disagree with you on the "no day is hard" bit as imo every day sounds hard! While i have no experience with 10x10, squats,deadlifts and ohp 10x10 sounds incredibly hard. Especially since i havnt done more than 5 reps on any of those in months! Lol

I went straight from a low volume strength routine into 10x10. It's very tough going especially at the start. The lower back pump on my first day of squats was seriously nasty! Don't try to be a hero with the weight on the bar - the first 5 or so sets will seem fairly light but once you get more fatigued you'll see why they recommend starting with a low weight. And don't forget to eat enough!

Appriciate your comment, im also switching from low volume to 10x10 so cant wait to see the results. Did you do GVT exactly as it is or did you do a personalized version like me?

shligo.bulker

wersal gummage wrote: »

I've had good results with GVT. But, as stated, this is not GVT so I dont know what advice you're looking for really ? I dont think it is a variation of it either - it is simply not GVT. If this fails for you, I think it would be unfair to criticise the GVT programme based on your experience.

14 stone @ 5 foot 9 is an ectomorph ?? You do realise that, at over 6 foot 2, Johnny Sexton for example is 92 KGs. Now, I'm not saying he's a huge chap - but he aint no ectomorph either.

It sounds to me like you've decided what you're doing and that is that ? And any commentary here is just being rejected ?

Good luck with it anyway.

But GVT is based on doing 10 sets 10 reps. Im doing 10 sets 10 reps. I know my routine is not the original GVT but it IS a personalized variation of it. As i said, split routines in which you only work each muscle group once a week just doesnt work for me. And yes my mind is made up, but im not disregarding anybodys comments. Everybodys entitled to their own opinions, i knew some people would have the "this guys a dumbass" mentality when i posted this thread but that doesnt bother me. I never asked for advice, just wanted to hear of peoples results with any 10x10 routine. Perhaps my mistake was mentioning GVT in the topic title, i should have left it at 10x10 and i apologise for that.

shligo.bulker

You do realise that, at over 6 foot 2, Johnny Sexton for example is 92 KGs. Now, I'm not saying he's a huge chap - but he aint no ectomorph either


Comparing two people like that just is not logical. I have two friends both 12 stone and around the same height. One looks about 9 stone while the other looks about 14 stone. I know my body type, im a 100 percent ectomorph. Not an ecto-mesomorph, not an ecto-endomorph, just a pure ectomorph. I find it laughable that people that never even seen me are telling me im not an ectomorph lol if i was going to lie id say im a mesomorph that can bench 200kg haha

wersal gummage

I wasn't calling you a dumbass - or anything like it - if that comment was aimed at me.

I was just stating that it will be hard for people to give you advice on GVT - given that you're not doing it, know what I mean ? Or 10x10 - whatever you want to call it.

It's only for say 6 weeks or so - how do you know that it wont work for you ?

Fair enough - you're an ectomorph - you said above that you put on a stone in a week - that wouldn't be the normal kind of thing. I just cant see how somebody who is 14 stone at 5 foot 9 is an ectomorph. Are you a bit fat around the middle and skinny on the arms and legs ? If you have a very low body fat %, you ought to be a bit of a beast.

wersal gummage

I would be an ectomorph type myself by the way (although I stopped reading or worrying about those kind of labels years ago) and I put on 7 KGs with GVT over a 2 month period. If you give GVT 100% you'll be bunched, you wont be doing 1RMs etc the morning after.

Brian?

shligo.bulker wrote: »

You do realise that, at over 6 foot 2, Johnny Sexton for example is 92 KGs. Now, I'm not saying he's a huge chap - but he aint no ectomorph either


Comparing two people like that just is not logical. I have two friends both 12 stone and around the same height. One looks about 9 stone while the other looks about 14 stone. I know my body type, im a 100 percent ectomorph. Not an ecto-mesomorph, not an ecto-endomorph, just a pure ectomorph. I find it laughable that people that never even seen me are telling me im not an ectomorph lol if i was going to lie id say im a mesomorph that can bench 200kg haha

TBH I think you're putting too much stock in the whole ecto/meso/endomorph carry on. An ectomorph is just someone who needs to eat more and lift heavier as far as I can see.

I think you're over complicating your routine. I know you say that you know your body, but given your strength levels you should be doing a novice linear progression strength program. When you max out the gains from that, move onto an intermediate one. There's a reason such programs are popular, they work. They're not perfect by any means, but they work.

Gummy Panda

drdeadlift wrote: »

Have to agree with you on the hight freq bodypart training 7 days between is too long!Since i started training chest three times a week my strength has gone up and up not really growing alot but right now that doesnt matter.Goodluck with the program and remember to eat the table

Yeah 7 days seems too long as natural. Especially squats as then its DOMS city. twice a week feels a lot better

shligo.bulker

wersal gummage wrote: »

I wasn't calling you a dumbass - or anything like it - if that comment was aimed at me.

I was just stating that it will be hard for people to give you advice on GVT - given that you're not doing it, know what I mean ? Or 10x10 - whatever you want to call it.

It's only for say 6 weeks or so - how do you know that it wont work for you ?

Fair enough - you're an ectomorph - you said above that you put on a stone in a week - that wouldn't be the normal kind of thing. I just cant see how somebody who is 14 stone at 5 foot 9 is an ectomorph. Are you a bit fat around the middle and skinny on the arms and legs ? If you have a very low body fat %, you ought to be a bit of a beast.

No that "your a dumbass" comment wasnt aimed at you, just the feeling i got from a few others. Yes im a bit fat around the chest,belly and hips due to GOMAD so as i said earlier, a lot of the weight i gained was fat. I did look very strong and muscular too though, but i regret doing it due to the fat gains.

shligo.bulker

briankeating wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

You do realise that, at over 6 foot 2, Johnny Sexton for example is 92 KGs. Now, I'm not saying he's a huge chap - but he aint no ectomorph either


Comparing two people like that just is not logical. I have two friends both 12 stone and around the same height. One looks about 9 stone while the other looks about 14 stone. I know my body type, im a 100 percent ectomorph. Not an ecto-mesomorph, not an ecto-endomorph, just a pure ectomorph. I find it laughable that people that never even seen me are telling me im not an ectomorph lol if i was going to lie id say im a mesomorph that can bench 200kg haha

TBH I think you're putting too much stock in the whole ecto/meso/endomorph carry on. An ectomorph is just someone who needs to eat more and lift heavier as far as I can see.

I think you're over complicating your routine. I know you say that you know your body, but given your strength levels you should be doing a novice linear progression strength program. When you max out the gains from that, move onto an intermediate one. There's a reason such programs are popular, they work. They're not perfect by any means, but they work.

Thanks for your input, i suspect your a true mesomorph though? Only someone whose gains come easy would say that all an ectomorph has to do is lift heavier weights and eat more lol. I dont read into the whole ecto/meso/endo thing anyway but i do know thats why i lack strength. Some people have it, some people dont. Im one of those people that just doesnt have that natural strength.

shligo.bulker

I do appriciate all you guys input, i agree with some things but disagree with others. Il start a complete, detailed log and if it fails big time il even post a topic called "you were right,i was wrong" and each of you can say i told you so haha. If it does fail then il give the original GVT a proper go and start a detailed log on that.

DylanJM

shligo.bulker wrote: »

I was also only 8 stone most of my life until i hit 9 stone at age 20. Then stayed at 9 stone until about age 22, then made it to 10 stone. Then GOMAD got me to 12 stone within a week. And then i slowly got to my heaviest at 14 stone. But i wish i never used GOMAD, took me ages to lose the fat.

Ah here, putting on 2 stone in a week! Pull the other one.

shligo.bulker

DylanJM wrote: »

shligo.bulker wrote: »

I was also only 8 stone most of my life until i hit 9 stone at age 20. Then stayed at 9 stone until about age 22, then made it to 10 stone. Then GOMAD got me to 12 stone within a week. And then i slowly got to my heaviest at 14 stone. But i wish i never used GOMAD, took me ages to lose the fat.

Ah here, putting on 2 stone in a week! Pull the other one.

Try GOMAD combined with a high calorie diet and then get back to me lol

shligo.bulker

Maybe im remembering it incorrectly, but i know for a fact i put on OVER 1 stone in my first week of GOMAD. The second stone came very quick after the first. Anyway i couldnt care less so believe me or dont, i wont lose any sleep over it. All i will say is im no bull****ter.

Doug Cartel

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Only someone whose gains come easy would say that all an ectomorph has to do is lift heavier weights and eat more lol.

He's saying that the distinction won't make any material difference to your training.

A measomorph who wants to put on muscle will have to increase their current food intake and start lifting more.

An ectomorph who wants to put on muscle will have to increase their current food intake and start lifting more.

A whatever-the-other-one-is-morph who wants to put on muscle will have to increase their current food intake and start lifting more.

Somatotypes were developed by a psychologist in the 40's to associate body types with behaviour. It's quackary of the highest order. Even still, if it wasn't total BS the end result is the same thing - you want to get more muscle you have to eat more and lift.