Types of fitness...

watermark

hey, i work in a gym and am fed up of people saying they want to tone up and get fit! i ask them what toning up means and most of them say "tight".
i ask them what they mean by "get fit" and they look at me like i have ten heads!

so do you want strength, muscular endurance, bulk, aerobic endurance, speed endurance, sprint endurance......iv explained these in simple terms but found most people couldnt give a sh!t as long as they look good.

i need a tea break!

anybody else wanna vent on friday?

Doug Cartel

What's sprint endurance?

watermark

hey doug, being able to repeat sprints of up to 10s duration without losing speed due to fatigue.
anything that lasts longer than that would be speed endurance (10-60secs) and your onto aerobic endurance after that (60sec - hours)

Hanley

watermark wrote: »

hey doug, being able to repeat sprints of up to 10s duration without losing speed due to fatigue.
anything that lasts longer than that would be speed endurance (10-60secs) and your onto aerobic endurance after that (60sec - hours)

Sprint repeatability no?

I just like to keep it simple and think of it by energy pathway;
-Oxidative/aerobic/low power output/long duration
-Glycolyctic/HIIT/"sport specific"/moderate power output/frequent repeats
-ATPCP/high force/explosive/max strength

It's far from a complete crossover and there's a significant amount of interplay amongst each, but it's nice and simple, accessible and relatively easy to understand for most

The Davestator

I think you've just finished college and are trying to impress normal joe soap members who want to look better in a mirror.

Instead of making them feel foolish, come down to their level and try to help them. Once you do that, you'll be a success in the industry.

Hanley

The Davestator wrote: »

I think you've just finished college and are trying to impress normal joe soap members who want to look better in a mirror.

Instead of making them feel foolish, come down to their level and try to help them. Once you do that, you'll be a success in the industry.

Great post

And don't fear the word "tone". We all know what it means. Who gives a sh*t if it's technically incorrect - use it to get them closer to their goals!

WeeBushy

The Davestator wrote: »

I think you've just finished college and are trying to impress normal joe soap members who want to look better in a mirror.

Instead of making them feel foolish, come down to their level and try to help them. Once you do that, you'll be a success in the industry.

Spot on.

One of the things we were always told by our lecturers was that you can be the biggest genius in college, 1st class honours, involve yourself in cutting edge research etc., but when you start working in normal jobs if you communicate like you do in acedemia you'll be useless.

Know your audience and know how to communicate with them, no matter the field, was what they always said.

watermark

WeeBushy wrote: »

The Davestator wrote: »

I think you've just finished college and are trying to impress normal joe soap members who want to look better in a mirror.

Instead of making them feel foolish, come down to their level and try to help them. Once you do that, you'll be a success in the industry.

Spot on.

One of the things we were always told by our lecturers was that you can be the biggest genius in college, 1st class honours, involve yourself in cutting edge research etc., but when you start working in normal jobs if you communicate like you do in acedemia you'll be useless.

Know your audience and know how to communicate with them, no matter the field, was what they always said.

thanks for the "advice" there but havent just finished college nor do i use too much jargon in work. I think also that coming down to a level where i allow some mmbers believe myths like spot training or high reps and light weights are the wy to go for women looking to "tone" is counter productive. Im not about tryin to impress members either but do like to get insights in2 what they think walking on a treamill for 15mins 2 times a week will do for their "fitness". What do you do with someone who wants to get fit!? Personally i think they need to know what their askin for before you can give it to them.

Thats like asking for a meal in a restaurant and expecting the chef to read your mind.

Mr.Plough

Generally when an average joe soaper says they want to "Get fit" they want to shed some body fat and gain some muscle so they look good in a mirror as someone said already.

And they shouldn't need to know anything, it's your job to tell them

syklops

watermark wrote: »

I think also that coming down to a level where i allow some mmbers believe myths like spot training or high reps and light weights are the wy to go for women looking to "tone" is counter productive.

Of course you are right. The sooner the myth on spot reducing has been eradicated the better.

watermark wrote: »

but do like to get insights in2 what they think walking on a treamill for 15mins 2 times a week will do for their "fitness".

Wow, you sound mean.

They don't know. Thats why they go to a gym and ask for an instructor. You can politely and in an encouraging way tell them that their current routine, while beneficial is not going to have them losing weight in great numbers and you can then suggest other routines for them.

watermark wrote: »

What do you do with someone who wants to get fit!? Personally i think they need to know what their askin for before you can give it to them.

Surely its not brain science is it? For the most part, people want to look good in the mirror. They say "i want to get fit", you look them up and down and decide whether they could lose some pounds or not. If they do, clarify that with them(tactfully), and organise a weight loss routine. If they look slim, test what they can do and give them some targets.

rocky

syklops wrote: »

Surely its not rocket science is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I

watermark

syklops wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

I think also that coming down to a level where i allow some mmbers believe myths like spot training or high reps and light weights are the wy to go for women looking to "tone" is counter productive.

Of course you are right. The sooner the myth on spot reducing has been eradicated the better.

watermark wrote: »

but do like to get insights in2 what they think walking on a treamill for 15mins 2 times a week will do for their "fitness".

Wow, you sound mean.

They don't know. Thats why they go to a gym and ask for an instructor. You can politely and in an encouraging way tell them that their current routine, while beneficial is not going to have them losing weight in great numbers and you can then suggest other routines for them.

watermark wrote: »

What do you do with someone who wants to get fit!? Personally i think they need to know what their askin for before you can give it to them.

Surely its not rocket science is it? For the most part, people want to look good in the mirror. They say "i want to get fit", you look them up and down and decide whether they could lose some pounds or not. If they do, clarify that with them(tactfully), and organise a weight loss routine. If they look slim, test what they can do and give them some targets.

Ah i agree completely! And im not that mean in real life so apologies if its coming across that way :-)

Scioch

watermark wrote: »

hey, i work in a gym and am fed up of people saying they want to tone up and get fit!

Wouldnt listening to that kinda be a huge part of why your there ? Like someone in McDonalds saying "If one more person asks for a fcukin big mac!!"

I know its frustrating though because no matter what the job, if its dealing with people they are gonna get on your nerves.

Gummy Panda

Maybe try examples that they can relate to when they ask to get fit? e.g. do you want to improve endurance for a team sport, be stronger like a power lifter or look like brad Pitt?

UL_heart_throb

The Davestator wrote: »

I think you've just finished college and are trying to impress normal joe soap members who want to look better in a mirror.

watermark wrote: »

thanks for the "advice" there but havent just finished college nor do i use too much jargon in work. I think also that coming down to a level where i allow some mmbers believe myths like spot training or high reps and light weights are the wy to go for women looking to "tone" is counter productive. Im not about tryin to impress members either but do like to get insights in2 what they think walking on a treamill for 15mins 2 times a week will do for their "fitness". What do you do with someone who wants to get fit!? Personally i think they need to know what their askin for before you can give it to them.

Thats like asking for a meal in a restaurant and expecting the chef to read yoindur m.

If he just finished a degree course in college like the Sports and Exercise Science in UL I'd hope he'd be able to write a bit better.

Mellor

watermark wrote: »

iv explained these in simple terms but found most people couldnt give a sh!t as long as they look good.

Can you explain something to me?
What's wrong with your goals being completely appearance based and not being concerned with performance?

watermark

Mellor wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

iv explained these in simple terms but found most people couldnt give a sh!t as long as they look good.

Can you explain something to me?
What's wrong with your goals being completely appearance based and not being concerned with performance?

Nothing at all! It just bugs me. Are there any other examples where you'd want something to look good but function poorly?

cc87

watermark wrote: »

Nothing at all! It just bugs me. Are there any other examples where you'd want something to look good but function poorly?

Looking good and functioning well arent mutually exclusive.......a good trainer would be able to meet the clients needs of appearance while maintaining or improving performance

gymfreak

watermark wrote: »

hey, i work in a gym and am fed up of people saying they want to tone up and get fit! i ask them what toning up means and most of them say "tight".
i ask them what they mean by "get fit" and they look at me like i have ten heads!

so do you want strength, muscular endurance, bulk, aerobic endurance, speed endurance, sprint endurance......iv explained these in simple terms but found most people couldnt give a sh!t as long as they look good.

i need a tea break!

anybody else wanna vent on friday?

Perhaps you're looking at this from the wrong angle. It sounds to me like the people you are talking about do not have much of a background in fitness so how could they express what they'd like to achieve/ know what they are capable of achieving. I know when I was asked that same question when I first joined a gym I would have given a very similar answer. But that's mainly because I didnt know the potential that I had to become stronger, fitter and leaner. At the time I wanted to look good nekkid and be fit and there is nothing wrong with those goals, But that was because I didnt know any better. I didnt know I could strength train..I didnt know girls could be strong etc....and I suppose neither did any of the gym instructors as it was a good 4/5years before any of them suggested that I picked up a weight.

So, instead of getting frustrated at people why not try to educate them. Why not try to share some of your knowledge? Just a different way of thinking about it I suppose:)

watermark

cc87 wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

Nothing at all! It just bugs me. Are there any other examples where you'd want something to look good but function poorly?

Looking good and functioning well arent mutually exclusive.......a good trainer would be able to meet the clients needs of appearance while maintaining or improving performance

But improving performance for what? The performance of looking good? And thats my point. A big chunk of society is far too concerned about looking good regardless of how they achieve this.

watermark

LordSmeg wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

hey, i work in a gym and am fed up of people saying they want to tone up and get fit!

Wouldnt listening to that kinda be a huge part of why your there ? Like someone in McDonalds saying "If one more person asks for a fcukin big mac!!"

I know its frustrating though because no matter what the job, if its dealing with people they are gonna get on your nerves.

No thats the equivelant of goin to mc ds asking for a "burger" ya have an idea of what ya want but its not specific enuf for the chap serving ya 2 know exactly what u want

cc87

watermark wrote: »

But improving performance for what? The performance of looking good? And thats my point. A big chunk of society is far too concerned about looking good regardless of how they achieve this.

By performance i mean things like their posture, mobility and that sort of stuff. The majority of people have something wrong with them and can be improved by prescribing different exercises.

A quarter of the population is obese and this figure is only growing.....it would be better if more of society was concerned with how they looked.

watermark

cc87 wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

But improving performance for what? The performance of looking good? And thats my point. A big chunk of society is far too concerned about looking good regardless of how they achieve

A quarter of the population is obese and this figure is only growing.....it would be better if more of society was concerned with how they looked.

personally i think asa society we should be more concerned about our health and less about how we look. we need to understand that with a healthy lifestyle and exercise/activity, looking good will be a by-product of this. We are driven by vanity these days, not our health. I could count on one hand the amount of clients who listed improving health as one of their goals.

cc87

watermark wrote: »

cc87 wrote: »

personally i think asa society we should be more concerned about our health and less about how we look. we need to understand that with a healthy lifestyle and exercise/activity, looking good will be a by-product of this. We are driven by vanity these days, not our health. I could count on one hand the amount of clients who listed improving health as one of their goals.

So what?

Health is a long term thing, people think short term. People have goals they want to reach and these goals are immediate concerns, bigger arms, 6 pack, bench a lot, attract more girls/guys, climb stairs without running out of breath etc.

As a goal, improving health is too vague to motivate people.

watermark

cc87 wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

cc87 wrote: »

personally i think asa society we should be more concerned about our health and less about how we look. we need to understand that with a healthy lifestyle and exercise/activity, looking good will be a by-product of this. We are driven by vanity these days, not our health. I could count on one hand the amount of clients who listed improving health as one of their goals.

As a goal, improving health is too vague to motivate people.

i know, hence the frustration!

Why should having big arms trump low cholesterol for example. It simply doesn't unless it becomes a concern.

bang_bang_rosie

I understand your frustration OP, I deal with people all day in my job and certain responses to my questions make my eyes roll up and wish I could tell them to wise the bleep up and go away. ( I don't though, I just bite the top of my pen off instead!)

However when I am the "customer" in question, I feel incredibly nervous about what I should say and hope the "expert" in front of me will figure it out. Being a typical woman most people don't figure it out and I end up frustrated.

Anyway, what people really want and what they say are not necessarily the same, wrt to fitness instructors in gyms,I never felt happy because they never seemed particularly interested in me, just gave me yet another stupid run of the mill workout (cardio,cardio,cardio, 5 minutes on stupid machine with no weights-yes that did happen!) and I always just went along with it.

Only after I broke my wrist last year and went to a PT instead of my usual bootcamp, I realised what I wanted because he managed to see what I was good at (weights/body resistance) and that encouraged me. (Nobody in a gym had ever said anything positive to me before) I still hate gyms, because the weights area is soooooo uncomfortable to be in for an inexperienced woman to be in.

Anyway, back on topic. Some of those "stupid" goals have hidden meaning behind them, you just have to care enough to push for it. As for the rest, well....just bite the top of your pen off......

watermark

bang_bang_rosie wrote: »

I understand your frustration OP, I deal with people all day in my job and certain responses to my questions make my eyes roll up and wish I could tell them to wise the bleep up and go away. ( I don't though, I just bite the top of my pen off instead!)

Anyway, what people really want and what they say are not necessarily the same

Anyway, back on topic. Some of those "stupid" goals have hidden meaning behind them, you just have to care enough to push for it. As for the rest, well....just bite the top of your pen off......

Great post, sums it up nicely! :-)

Hanley

watermark wrote: »

personally i think asa society we should be more concerned about our health and less about how we look. we need to understand that with a healthy lifestyle and exercise/activity, looking good will be a by-product of this. We are driven by vanity these days, not our health. I could count on one hand the amount of clients who listed improving health as one of their goals.

The f*cking sell it to them that way man. Jesus!!

Think outside the box. If you can't communicate the need to improve health to your clients and frame it in a way that's relevant to them then it's YOUR problem, not their's.

Here's a couple of simple ones;

Ask them if they crash after lunch or have big energy swings. Use that to broach the topic of diet and how improving that will stabilize energy levels and help them look better.

Ask about hip/knee/back pain and use it as a segue into the importance of mobility and soft tissue quality. Expand on that and show them how poor posture can make them look fatter.

Like seriously. It's not that bloody difficult. Quit complaining and be thankful ppl are asking you for advice rather than just making fun of them for not fitting your narrow definitions of fitness.

watermark

Hanley wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

personally i think asa society we should be more concerned about our health and less about how we look. we need to understand that with a healthy lifestyle and exercise/activity, looking good will be a by-product of this. We are driven by vanity these days, not our health. I could count on one hand the amount of clients who listed improving health as one of their goals.

The f*cking sell it to them that way man. Jesus!!

Think outside the box. If you can't communicate the need to improve health to your clients and frame it in a way that's relevant to them then it's YOUR problem, not their's.

Here's a couple of simple ones;

Ask them if they crash after lunch or have big energy swings. Use that to broach the topic of diet and how improving that will stabilize energy levels and help them look better.

Ask about hip/knee/back pain and use it as a segue into the importance of mobility and soft tissue quality. Expand on that and show them how poor posture can make them look fatter.

Like seriously. It's not that bloody difficult. Quit complaining and be thankful ppl are asking you for advice rather than just making fun of them for not fitting your narrow definitions of fitness.

For god sake, im well able to communicate with my clients. This thread isnt about me. Im sure anorexic people think they look good but we all know thats not healthy. I had a beef about a very common and in my view, annoying thing about my job; constantly being asked the same thing over and over. Surely thats annoying in any job! This thread is not about my inability to overcome this but rather my frustrafion at constantly having to.

and where dd i make fun of anybody?

Lago

watermark wrote: »

For god sake, im well able to communicate with my clients. This thread isnt about me. Im sure anorexic people think they look good but we all know thats not healthy. I had a beef about a very common and in my view, annoying thing about my job; constantly being asked the same thing over and over. Surely thats annoying in any job! This thread is not about my inability to overcome this but rather my frustrafion at constantly having to.

and where dd i make fun of anybody?

Mate, relax. Obviously you made this thread to vent but surely you can see where people are coming from?

You are doing a job where you're supposed to help people who are uneducated on the subject of fitness but you're complaining because these people are uneducated. If they were educated, they wouldn't be asking you for advice and you'd be out of a job.

If people say they want to be "fit", why not just ask if they mean they want to look better or do they want to be able to run for longer. I'd say most people mean the former since everyone knows how to get some form of the latter.

Just simplify it them. You're not dumbing it down, you're just using every day language. And if you want, you can explain to them why you're telling them to do something

Chet Zar

watermark wrote: »

hey, i work in a gym and am fed up of people saying they want to tone up and get fit! i ask them what toning up means and most of them say "tight".
i ask them what they mean by "get fit" and they look at me like i have ten heads!

so do you want strength, muscular endurance, bulk, aerobic endurance, speed endurance, sprint endurance......iv explained these in simple terms but found most people couldnt give a sh!t as long as they look good.

i need a tea break!

anybody else wanna vent on friday?

Man do you really think the average guy or gal on the street wants speed or muscular endurance, or even knows what it is. The reality is that 95% of people out there don't have anything close to the interest level that you or regulars on these kind of forums have. Neither do they require any of the above qualities - you don't need much sprint endurance sitting at a desk or working in a shop

Also as mentioned, the whole point of them coming to you is for you to educate them! Otherwise they'd be off doing their own thing, and you'd be closer to having to find a different job!

If it's something that makes you not like your job as much as you should, it could be worth considering increasing your knowledge even further and going after more determined athletes or even more determined gym-goers.

watermark

Lago wrote: »

watermark wrote: »

For god sake, im well able to communicate with my clients. This thread isnt about me. Im sure anorexic people think they look good but we all know thats not healthy. I had a beef about a very common and in my view, annoying thing about my job; constantly being asked the same thing over and over. Surely thats annoying in any job! This thread is not about my inability to overcome this but rather my frustrafion at constantly having to.

and where dd i make fun of anybody?

Mate, relax. Obviously you made this thread to vent but surely you can see where people are coming from?

You are doing a job where you're supposed to help people who are uneducated on the subject of fitness but you're complaining because these people are uneducated. If they were educated, they wouldn't be asking you for advice and you'd be out of a job.

If people say they want to be "fit", why not just ask if they mean they want to look better or do they want to be able to run for longer. I'd say most people mean the former since everyone knows how to get some form of the latter.

Just simplify it them. You're not dumbing it down, you're just using every day language. And if you want, you can explain to them why you're telling them to do something

Ye of course, iv agreed with several previous posts. Its the repetitiveness of it though. And what irks me too is those who "want to lose weight for a wedding" just so they can do the dog on it at the wedding! Lose the weight to improve your health amd prolong your life? Nah jus wana look slightly slimmer in the wedding photos.

Im guna p**s someone off now arent i? :-P

Gummy Panda

watermark wrote: »

Ye of course, iv agreed with several previous posts. Its the repetitiveness of it though. And what irks me too is those who "want to lose weight for a wedding" just so they can do the dog on it at the wedding! Lose the weight to improve your health amd prolong your life? Nah jus wana look slightly slimmer in the wedding photos.

Im guna p**s someone off now arent i? :-P

Welcome to dealing with the general public. It can be shít no matter the role

Just try not to let it make you bitter and twisted. There is a thread in the Ranting & Raving forum thats good for getting things off your chest. You have to request access to the forum

Scioch

watermark wrote: »

Ye of course, iv agreed with several previous posts. Its the repetitiveness of it though. And what irks me too is those who "want to lose weight for a wedding" just so they can do the dog on it at the wedding! Lose the weight to improve your health amd prolong your life? Nah jus wana look slightly slimmer in the wedding photos.

Im guna p**s someone off now arent i? :-P

A lot of seasoned gym goers wouldnt be doing it to prolong their lives either. Amateur body builders and the like are not thinking of any health benefits, they just want to be bigger. Athletes just want to perform better. The health kick is a by product for a lot of people who go to the gym with the main reason they are there being either to look good, run faster, or lift more. All of which amount to the same thing, a personal reason to do what they are doing.

But whether its losing a few kg for a wedding or bulking up it can also be done to boost confidence. Its not purely superficial in all cases, in fact I'd say its purely superficial in very few cases. Those people looking to get fit and tone up are essentially asking for help to improve themselves.

No matter what the reason surely that has to be a good thing when it improves their health.

Chet Zar

watermark wrote: »

Ye of course, iv agreed with several previous posts. Its the repetitiveness of it though. And what irks me too is those who "want to lose weight for a wedding" just so they can do the dog on it at the wedding! Lose the weight to improve your health amd prolong your life? Nah jus wana look slightly slimmer in the wedding photos.

Im guna p**s someone off now arent i? :-P

Yep, you're just up against human nature there! As mentioned before, health is just wayyy to vague as a concept. People don't think in terms of increasing or improving their health, they think in terms of maintaining it. As in, if they have it, good enough.

Plus, they also take it for granted that if they are working out regularly, hitting the gym and training, the health stuff is just wrapped up in that naturally (provided diet is on-track of course).

I think humans are wired in terms of effort => reward. As in, if I'm going to work hard and sweat, I want to see the fruits of it in the mirror (and in how others compliment/regard me). You can't really get the same effect from reducing your cholesterol by x%

J-Fit

The Davestator wrote: »

I think you've just finished college and are trying to impress normal joe soap members who want to look better in a mirror.

Instead of making them feel foolish, come down to their level and try to help them. Once you do that, you'll be a success in the industry.

That's such an unfair comment. What evidence did you base it on?

Regarding the actual thread, you just have to let your clients know what it is they want by filling in the vague goal descriptions and forming attainable targets around them, i.e. to reach 15% bf fat (tone), get fitter (run 10k).

What's more frustrating is not descriptions like those, but clients who come in and request a certain goal and don't really want to take the necessary steps to get there. There are many people out there who expect YOU to do all the spadework, i.e. all they have to do is turn up and train and everything will fall into place. Concentrate more on the psychology of training than the semantics.

Barry.Oglesby

So hey uh...

I think you're in the wrong industry. Maybe try IT.

nice_guy80

What about your fitness being functional?
thats important too, right??



sometimes I'd imagine clients know what they want, but they don't want to admit it - ie look good in the mirror, fit into a dress, lose weight, have people pass positive comments on their body shape/size
and so come up with the vague notion of 'getting fit'

UL_heart_throb

This is such a ****ty little thread.

watermark

UL_heart_throb wrote: »

This is such a ****ty little thread.

Dont post in it then

watermark

nice_guy80 wrote: »

What about your fitness being functional?
thats important too, right??



sometimes I'd imagine clients know what they want, but they don't want to admit it - ie look good in the mirror, fit into a dress, lose weight, have people pass positive comments on their body shape/size
and so come up with the vague notion of 'getting fit'

Yep, fitness should defo be functional. when a client says they want to get "fit" i simply ask what their idea of fit is. Some say being able to walk to the shops, others to be stronger and some want to be able to run a marathon. Thats why i think its important to get an idea of what their idea of fitness is. (even if they only have a vague idea) and we can elaborate from there.

UL_heart_throb

What is the point of this thread? You're basically trying to say you're an excellent fitness instructor / personal trainer but all your clients are morons. You are dismissive of their knowledge, ambitions and motivations. You speak with this neophyte arrogance, making a general and global critique of the entire 'fitness industry'. You especially criticise your clients for not being able to communicate or articulate their goals yet you can't even spell correctly yourself.

I just think this thread is misdirected because this isn't a forum for fitness instructors to slag off the people that pay for them to have their silly little job but rather a place where customers of the health industry can get free advice.

Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do

Barry.Oglesby

UL_heart_throb wrote: »

What is the point of this thread? You're basically trying to say you're an excellent fitness instructor / personal trainer but all your clients are morons. You are dismissive of their knowledge, ambitions and motivations. You speak with this neophyte arrogance, making a general and global critique of the entire 'fitness industry'. You especially criticise your clients for not being able to communicate or articulate their goals yet you can't even spell correctly yourself.

I just think this thread is misdirected because this isn't a forum for fitness instructors to slag off the people that pay for them to have their silly little job but rather a place where customers of the health industry can get free advice.

Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do

Precisely.

You're getting to pretend to work in an air conditioned room instead of swinging a pick or stitching Nikes. Shut the fvck up and get in with it. The people you're complaining about pay your wages.

watermark

UL_heart_throb wrote: »

What is the point of this thread? You're basically trying to say you're an excellent fitness instructor / personal trainer but all your clients are morons. You are dismissive of their knowledge, ambitions and motivations. You speak with this neophyte arrogance, making a general and global critique of the entire 'fitness industry'. You especially criticise your clients for not being able to communicate or articulate their goals yet you can't even spell correctly yourself.

I just think this thread is misdirected because this isn't a forum for fitness instructors to slag off the people that pay for them to have their silly little job but rather a place where customers of the health industry can get free advice.

the point was my frustration at a lot of clients,friends and family use exercise to help them achieve goals that should primarily lie with their diet and lifestyle. exercise = fitness, diet/lifestyle = weight regulation
also have been trying to use "fat loss" instead of "weight loss" lately as many deem a reduction on the scales as a good thing.

i have never called my clients morons nor have i ever been dismissive of their goals (frustrated at how they verbalise them or how short sighted they are, yes)

if you have a problem with my spelling, take it to pm and say it nicely. dont make the thread personal please. speling never was my strong piont. :P

and sorry if the thread is in the wrong forum or strayed of course into a personal mission to discredit my views. that was never intended. holier than thou posters have made some very wrong presumptions about me and my views based on a few posts.

g'em

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Precisely.

You're getting to pretend to work in an air conditioned room instead of swinging a pick or stitching Nikes. Shut the fvck up and get in with it. The people you're complaining about pay your wages.

Reel it in Barry. There's a difference between saying it like it is and being unnecessarily aggressive.

Barry.Oglesby

g'em wrote: »

Reel it in Barry. There's a difference between saying it like it is and being unnecessarily aggressive.

I wasn't trying to be aggressive, but tone is hard to convey. Replace my sentence with STFU and it probably comes across better .

I won't do it again Mom. Can I go to my room now?:D

g'em

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I won't do it again Mom. Can I go to my room now?:D

Not until you've put out the bins and washed your bike like I've told you to the last gazillion times.

Barry.Oglesby

g'em wrote: »

Not until you've put out the bins and washed your bike like I've told you to the last gazillion times.

UH! I WISH I WAS NEVER BORN!!!!

watermark

putting out the bins will help you tone up and get fit

krystal123

I know what people mean by tone up and get fit, they actually want to loose weight and get in a better shape.That is what toning is! I have been a gym freak myself and I do not see any gym boy who does not know about toning up.:eek:

Hailhail1967

Well that was an interesting read from start to finish ha ha.

I kinda get what you were saying about the whole firming and toning, but I cannot go on without commenting on how terrible it is to see you say something like that. Its "looking down your nose" of the highest order. I love when someone comes to me with those very words, I love figuring out what they really want and I love when they realise I was able to do that and as a result I may well be able to help them.

Pretty much general gyms in this country are a complete joke, poor programming, poor staffing, poor staff, poor supervision, low levels of education ..... etc etc

Not saying any of those things apply to yourself, but complaining on a forum where many members of the general public come for information, about those people, dosnt do the image of gyms much good.