J Jones vs Hendo

preddy

Its on Sept 1st.
Hendo got a shot?

DaveTheSpic

preddy wrote: »

Its on Sept 1st.
Hendo got a shot?

If he can negate the reach of Jones he does. I'd be worried about his cardio though..

El Guapo!

He has as good a chance as anybody. He won't beat him in a decision so he'll have to get inside and go for the big ko. The hard job is getting close enough to do that though.
Jones' chin hasn't been tested by a big bomb like Hendo can throw so it could be interesting.
I have a feeling that it'll go like all Jones' other fights though.......people say this is when he'll be beaten and Hendo has the best chance, but then Jones puts in an incredible performance and walks away with the belt still around his waist.

preddy

Yea I worry about the cardio too after watching the shogun fight.
Jones will pick him apart i would say from a distance.

Who else is left to fight him at LHW anyway?

DaveTheSpic

preddy wrote: »

Who else is left to fight him at LHW anyway?

Alexander Gustafsson. But I'd like him to have maybe one or two top 5 contenders before he gets a shot. And I think if Phil Davis worked on his striking he'd pose more than a few problems for Jones!

Ush1

Dean09 wrote: »

He has as good a chance as anybody. He won't beat him in a decision so he'll have to get inside and go for the big ko. The hard job is getting close enough to do that though.
Jones' chin hasn't been tested by a big bomb like Hendo can throw so it could be interesting.
I have a feeling that it'll go like all Jones' other fights though.......people say this is when he'll be beaten and Hendo has the best chance, but then Jones puts in an incredible performance and walks away with the belt still around his waist.

Agreed.

I think Rashad caught him pretty good with that head kick though.

Jason McCabe

Jones reach isn't such a factor on the ground

Really good match. Look forward to this one

CageWager

IMO this fight will be won or lost in the clinch. Hendo won't get past Jones' reach to land anything of significance on the feet. Unlike Jones' previous opponents Hendo will be happy to instigate the clinch. IMO a tight clinch game is the best way to negate the reach and striking of Jones, its also the best way to get him to the floor as it appears he is extremely adept at defending double and single leg td's. Easier said than done, getting a hold of him in reality is a big ask for Hendo.

Be like Nutella

no chance no chance no chance... in hell

Bar a big overhand bomb Henderson loses this badly, maybe viciously. If anything Jones is more likely to inflict serious harm when he's in the clinch and forced to explode with elbows and knees. He's got bags more cardio than Hendo right now and can choose any which way he wants this fight to go. He'll probably play it safe enough to avoid an embarrassing Guillotine or a one punch KO which Hendo COULD catch him with IF he lays and prays and throws high n low fakes. Jone's hand fighting in-your-face technique is gona p1ss off Hendo big time and he'll lose his cool and walk into an explosive knee or spinning move, that's my guess.

Jones hasn't had to use even 85% of his skill, or heart yet, in any fight to date and that's so utterly ridiculous, he needs to get the fcuk up to HW in about 12 months time when there surely will be no remaining credible (or even willing!) fighter to put in the cage with him at 205. Just to see him fight in good fights I want him up at HW! Very dangerous career decision for him but man it'd be so cool!

Kurz

Be like Nutella wrote: »

no chance no chance no chance... in hell

+1 to this and Hendo is probably my favorite fighter. It really only has come to this because he has already cleared out the top of the division in his four championship fights and the Bader one before it.

The problem with him moving to heavyweight is that he'll very likely clear that out even faster, once you're past Velasquez, Mir and Dos Santos, you're into Roy Nelson territory. the middle of the pile in that division is probably the weakest of all compared to other divisions.

Maybe once he finishes cleaning out the one or two possible contenders left he can move up and clear HW out and then move back down once a few more contenders become established. It probably looks like I think this guy is invincible or something but I think he's just on a completely different level to the rest of the UFC maybe apart from Aldo and Silva.

Be like Nutella

haha well I don't know about that.. he's superhuman but to go to HW against JDS? That wouldn't be a walk in the park.. for anyone ever.
JDS is pure class, I actually wouldn't write him off against a sized up Bones in two years time when he goes up. In the mean time I hope JDS beats heads and holds on to that belt coz I can't think of a better match up in the history of MMA than a 225lb undefeated Bones (who would surely be No.1 P4P at that point) vs an omnipotent Dos Santos in his absolute prime! To me that would be the pinnacle of MMA thus far, athletically, skill-wise, pedigree etc

jitz

Jon Jones is on a different level to everyone else in the lhw division, too athletic, fast, strong well rounded and technical for anyone else to get close to him. Can't see anything but a one sided beating for Hendo but I hope I'm wrong as I grew up watching Hendo. This is old school v new and Bones got too much for him I think, TKO in the third.

+1 for Bones v JDS that would be epic

Mellor

Be like Nutella wrote: »

I can't think of a better match up in the history of MMA than a 225lb undefeated Bones (who would surely be No.1 P4P at that point) vs an omnipotent Dos Santos in his absolute prime!

Jones is 225lbs now. If he going to take a legit shot at HW he'll be 245 or so.

I think people go on about JJ at HW way too much.

garhjw

jones has to be a heavy favourite but hendo has landed the h-bomb on too many guys for it just to be luck. however, due to jones' height, size and reach advantage i think he will end it in 2 or 3. but i would like to see him get knocked the fu*k out!!! has to happen some time...

scudzilla

Of course Jones is clear favourite but Hendo can never be ruled out.
Hendo is one of my fav fighters of all time and if he lands one of his bombs then Jones is goin down, no doubt about it.

Hendo is currently 4/1 wit PP, he's gotta be about 7 or 8/1 for a first round KO, cos that's when it'll happen if he lands

Oranage2

What has Henderson done to deserve a title shot? Anyway he hasnt got a chance against Jones, pointless match really probably to boost Jones' stats.

scudzilla

Oranage2 wrote: »

What has Henderson done to deserve a title shot? Anyway he hasnt got a chance against Jones, pointless match really probably to boost Jones' stats.

Are you serious?

Of Hendo's last 8 match ups he has won 8, only losing on points to Shields.

Amongst those wins are Fedor (The best fighter ever to have walked the planet:rolleyes:), Bisping, Shogun & Franklin.

He's probably the most worthy challenger out there!!

MrStuffins

Oranage2 wrote: »

What has Henderson done to deserve a title shot? Anyway he hasnt got a chance against Jones, pointless match really probably to boost Jones' stats.

He's a legend!

He edged Shogun, the previous champ, in an incredible fight!

That coupled with the fact that there is nobody else.

He's beat Rashad, Rampage, Machida and Shogun (who is also coming off a loss to Hendo). Who else is even out there? Gustaffson? Davis? Lil Nog?

Is there anyone you think deserves a shot before Hendo?

garhjw

Oranage2 wrote: »

What has Henderson done to deserve a title shot? Anyway he hasnt got a chance against Jones, pointless match really probably to boost Jones' stats.

that's a ridiculous statement

scudzilla

I can see a 1st round KO win for Hendo, he's not stupid enough to think he can go 5 rounds, also not daft enough to think he can fcuk about for 3/4 rounds either without getting picked apart.

He's gonna go steaming in and land a bomb pretty early on IMO

MrStuffins

scudzilla wrote: »

I can see a 1st round KO win for Hendo, he's not stupid enough to think he can go 5 rounds, also not daft enough to think he can fcuk about for 3/4 rounds either without getting picked apart.

He's gonna go steaming in and land a bomb pretty early on IMO

I agree with your thinking. if he's gonna win, it's gonna be in the 1st round and by TKO/KO!

I still can't see past Jones dominating in this fight though.

scudzilla

MrStuffins wrote: »

I agree with your thinking. if he's gonna win, it's gonna be in the 1st round and by TKO/KO!

I still can't see past Jones dominating in this fight though.

But at odds of around 7 or 8/1 on a 1st round Hendo KO it's just too good to refuse. Has Jones's chin ever really been tested, as in, a proper hit landing?

MrStuffins

scudzilla wrote: »

But at odds of around 7 or 8/1 on a 1st round Hendo KO it's just too good to refuse. Has Jones's chin ever really been tested, as in, a proper hit landing?

100%! The value at 7 or 8/1 represents amazing value!

Jones was tested by Rashad........... but I don't think he's fought anyone who hits anywhere as hard as Hendo can!

scudzilla

MrStuffins wrote: »

100%! The value at 7 or 8/1 represents amazing value!

Jones was tested by Rashad........... but I don't think he's fought anyone who hits anywhere as hard as Hendo can!

But did Rashad actually land one clean on his chin? I don't think he did, maybe wrong though

MrStuffins

scudzilla wrote: »

But did Rashad actually land one clean on his chin? I don't think he did, maybe wrong though

Nah i'm not too sure but at the same time, anyone can be KO'd by being hit right on the chin any someone with a decent punch.

Be like Nutella

Some people can just throw heavy punches. He seems to always drop the head down to the left and really use the shoulder to generate the power, even over short distance like 8-10 inches, very impressive, anybody would go down if they got cracked with one of those.

Clive

H-bombs and hellbows aside, I think it will be very interesting to see how/if Jones will be able to handle Henderson if he aggressively fights for the clinch. A short stocky wrestler can be very hard to handle in the clinch for a long fighter like Jones, even with his excellent skills in that range.

Be like Nutella

Hellbows hahahaha all-time best trademarked strike!

Mellor

Oranage2 wrote: »

What has Henderson done to deserve a title shot? Anyway he hasnt got a chance against Jones, pointless match really probably to boost Jones' stats.

MrStuffins

Mellor wrote: »

Gif

Just for future reference:

I think Orange 2 just floats into threads on here, says something to stir something and then leaves without replying.

While you show that gif, imagine Fedor dropping down to LHW and giving Jones a go...........................

Ush1

Be like Nutella wrote: »

Some people can just throw heavy punches. He seems to always drop the head down to the left and really use the shoulder to generate the power, even over short distance like 8-10 inches, very impressive, anybody would go down if they got cracked with one of those.

It's like he's pitching a baseball style overhand right. I think it works so well for him as he has relatively short arms.

Oranage2

MrStuffins wrote: »

Just for future reference:

I think Orange 2 just floats into threads on here, says something to stir something and then leaves without replying.

No not at all, I asked a question about what Henderson has done to deserve a title shot as I said I dont follow all the fights and it was answered.

I then said Henderson will get slaughtered and i was quoted with "that's a ridiculous statement". Yet some poster said Henderson will knock out Jones in the first round and this was thanked and people discussed and agreed with it

garhjw

Oranage2 wrote: »

No not at all, I asked a question about what Henderson has done to deserve a title shot as I said I dont follow all the fights and it was answered.

I then said Henderson will get slaughtered and i was quoted with "that's a ridiculous statement". Yet some poster said Henderson will knock out Jones in the first round and this was thanked and people discussed and agreed with it

it was a ridiculous statement. however, lets move as you were corrected on that point

MrStuffins

Oranage2 wrote: »

No not at all, I asked a question about what Henderson has done to deserve a title shot as I said I dont follow all the fights and it was answered.

I then said Henderson will get slaughtered and i was quoted with "that's a ridiculous statement". Yet some poster said Henderson will knock out Jones in the first round and this was thanked and people discussed and agreed with it

Perhaps it's your posting style. Your "question" of "What had Henderson done to deserve a title shot?" came across as a statement of "I don't think Henderson has earned a title shot".

You called the match "pointless" and said he didn't have a chance, which gave people the impression you followed the sport and had formed an informed opinion based on all of the factors.

But as you say, you don't watch all of the fights and your Hendo statement was actually a question. So "pinch of salt" comes to mind.

cowzerp

Right lads stop nit picking-throw away statement i'd say.

After his last gas out fest with Shogun if ya where to base it on that i'd be worried for him.

Be like Nutella

yeah Hendo hasn't got the gas for Jones. Plus Jones seems to wear the sh1t outa fighters coz he keeps ya guessing like Silva does no time to relax. Hendo bomb in first 2-3 mins or it's lights I reckon. Deserves the chance obviously but is massively outclassed like everyone else on the planet. If Hendo slams one of those overhands into Jones who then falls face first into the canvas the place will just go silent in awe of Hendo and I will build a small church in his honor in me kitchen.

Oranage2

MrStuffins wrote: »

Perhaps it's your posting style. Your "question" of "What had Henderson done to deserve a title shot?" came across as a statement of "I don't think Henderson has earned a title shot".

You called the match "pointless" and said he didn't have a chance, which gave people the impression you followed the sport and had formed an informed opinion based on all of the factors.

But as you say, you don't watch all of the fights and your Hendo statement was actually a question. So "pinch of salt" comes to mind.

apology accepted.

About the fight Jones is just going to dance about for 2 or 3 rounds and just knock Henderson out in the 3rd or fourth.

MrStuffins

Oranage2 wrote: »

apology accepted.

About the fight Jones is just going to dance about for 2 or 3 rounds and just knock Henderson out in the 3rd or fourth.

If by "dance about" you mean use speed and movement to pick apart Hendo with punches, elbows, kicks and knees, I agree.

Oranage2

MrStuffins wrote: »

If by "dance about" you mean use speed and movement to pick apart Hendo with punches, elbows, kicks and knees, I agree.

Ha that made me actually LOL

And close enough, I was more thinking quick in and out combinations and wear Hendo down and then when Henderson is gassed Jones knocks him out prehaps round 2 though more likely 3-4, give the fans their money's worth

empacher

Oranage2 wrote: »

Ha that made me actually LOL

And close enough, I was more thinking quick in and out combinations and wear Hendo down and then when Henderson is gassed Jones knocks him out prehaps round 2 though more likely 3-4, give the fans their money's worth

Don't be stupid! he might possible win by ref stoppage(tko) , but most likely submission. But him knocking hendo out ain't going to happen. Jones has never shown knock out power. His two accredited KO, parker porter not a KO, Carlos Eduardo yes. So he hasn't being displaying anything that would suggest he could KO Hendo.

Unless to spice it up Dana flings a sledgehammer over the top.

Mellor

Come on, nit-picking over knock out verses technical knock out???
I think the poster just meant "win by knock out", in generally speech including TKO also.

Should Korean Zombie give the sub of the night bonus back as it was actually a technical submission.


Edit:
If somebody said something like "Jon Jones lots of power, sure didn't he knock Shogun unconscious", then go ahead and remind them the ref actually stopped it.

MonkeyBalls

Hendo hasn't a chance in hell. The interesting thing about this fight is whether Bones can finish him, doubt it'll come by KO though.

Be like Nutella

Jones may have not KO'd many yet but sure as hell the guy could knock anyone out with one kick or one spinning strike and certainly elbows of all kinds.. that it hasn't happened yet means nothing at all... he's clearly more powerful than anyone ever at 205. He's not primed to go for that one punch KO as he's so well rounded he's forever in the pocket weaving and parrying, he doesn't come in cocked for a massive Chuck style over hand but he clearly has the power to flatten someone although it's not his style, I don't think it's anyone's style really anymore (Hendo notwithstanding).

MrStuffins

Bones by darce! BOOM!

After it happens I will come back, quote this, show everyone I was right and you will all bow down to me and crown me KING OF THE MMA FORUM!

MWAH HA HA HA HA!

El Guapo!

For people to say Hendo has no chance at all is ridiculous. The man is a legend and has taken some high profile scalps in his career. You can never count him out.
I agree he is a big underdog and if I was betting on it I'd put my money on Jones. But this is mma and anybody can beat anybody on the night.

Professey Chin

Dean09 wrote: »

For people to say Hendo has no chance at all is ridiculous. The man is a legend and has taken some high profile scalps in his career. You can never count him out.
I agree he is a big underdog and if I was betting on it I'd put my money on Jones. But this is mma and anybody can beat anybody on the night.

Especially if you have a cinder block for a hand that always seems to land at least once.

Be like Nutella

Yeah I can see Jones gettin a D'arce in from a double leg attempt by Hendo when his back's against the fence and Jones is picking him apart.. Hendo shoots, gets stuffed, bones moves to the side reaches under rolls to his side and squeezes like an anaconda job done hype over next please....

tvercetti

I'm worried Hendo will fail to get inside due to Bones speed, reach and movement and it will be like watching Evans and Jones all over again.

Although I would expect Hendo to go down swinging unlike Evans.

Professey Chin

Be like Nutella wrote: »

Yeah I can see Jones gettin a D'arce in from a double leg attempt by Hendo when his back's against the fence and Jones is picking him apart.. Hendo shoots, gets stuffed, bones moves to the side reaches under rolls to his side and squeezes like an anaconda job done hype over next please....

Id be surprised if Hendo shoots at all. He wrestles more from the clinch and would be smarter then shooting from outside Jones reach. I could see him faking then swinging an overhand

Be like Nutella

oh believe me in his prime in Pride you're right but now when he's gassin and takin shots from Jones from the outside against the cage, anyone would shoot... or try to

weemcd

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Huge headache for ufc, even bigger for jon jones. He will be torn to pieces in the press.