Horrific Footage of Homeless Schizophrenic beaten by cops

ziggy23

Didn't see a thread on this. Somebody sent me this link. At one point he's crying for his daddy.* WARNING DISTURBING STUFF*
http://gawker.com/5908532/horrific-footage-of-mentally-ill-homeless-mans-fatal-police-beating-surfaces-online

On July 5th, 2011, a 37-year-old schizophrenic homeless man from Fullerton, California, named Kelly Thomas was beaten to within an inch of his life by several Fullerton Police Department officers.
He passed away five days later, shortly after being taken off life support.
The Orange County Coroner determined that injuries he sustained during the beating, as well as the "mechanical chest compression" which took place during the altercation, were directly responsible for Thomas's demise.
Out of the six officers involved in the incident, only two were charged with crimes: Officer Manuel Ramos (second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter), and Corporal Jay Cicinelli (involuntary manslaughter and excessive force).
Despite allegations that Thomas was uncooperative and combative, surveillance footage shown for the first time at yesterday's preliminary hearing proves these claims are grossly inaccurate (beating starts at 15:20).
Further, paramedics who arrived on the scene stopped first to treat minor scratches and bruises sustained by the officers before turning their attention to an unconscious Thomas who was bleeding — literally — to death on the ground.
According to the testimony of Fullerton Fire Department paramedic Ron Stancyk, this was at the request of the officers.
The hearing to determine if sufficient evidence exists for a trial continues today.

And here's what they actually did to his face. *WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTO* <snip>

partyatmygaff

What is it with American cops and police brutality? There's some absolute scum in the American police force.

ziggy23

partyatmygaff wrote: »

What is it with American cops and police brutality? There's some absolute scum in the American police force.

The video is absoloutely harrowing. They were obviously spoiling for a fight. The poor guy didn't stand a chance. Scum indeed:mad:

kyle123

makes me sick but theres so many sick people out there. if u think this is bad look up little girl run over and left in china. she is knocked down and left and several people and cars drive by and just leave her. its just insane

fasttalkerchat

Absolute scum. They should get life for that.

ziggy23

kyle123 wrote: »

makes me sick but theres so many sick people out there. if u think this is bad look up little girl run over and left in china. she is knocked down and left and several people and cars drive by and just leave her. its just insane

Yea seen that too. As a mother of a toddler that stayed with me for a long time. Poor child:(

pushki

I can't even bring myself to look at those links, sick that there is people out there like that! just discusting :-(

ziggy23

pushki wrote: »

I can't even bring myself to look at those links, sick that there is people out there like that! just discusting :-(

Yea I'd be quite de-sensitised at this stage but this made me sick especially when he was shouting 'DADDY THEY'RE KILLING ME' as they were beating him. Hope they throw the book at them scumbags.

CiaranC

The guy wasnt beaten to within an inch of his life, he was beaten to death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

What is it with American cops and police brutality? There's some absolute scum in the American police force.

Decades of society frowning upon any questioning of law enforcement has resulted in Police being untouchable over there. A police force is a neccessary evil and should be answerable to the people it is supposed to protect, that is not the case in the US. Its going the same way elsewhere.

RichieC

I'm literally sickened to my stomach watching that.

Chuck Stone

'I CAN'T BREATHE'

'I'M SORRY, DUDE'

'I CAN'T BREATHE, MAN'

Big fucking bullies killed a down-and-out. Ye brave men, ye.

The Scientician

The officers involved were charged. I'm not sure what the point is in releasing the footage.

fasttalkerchat

The Scientician wrote: »

The officers involved were charged.

They will be released within a few years. I have no confidence that justice will be done here.

ziggy23

The Scientician wrote: »

The officers involved were charged. I'm not sure what the point is in releasing the footage.

To show what sort of scum they are letting into the police force? They should all be charged.

Chuck Stone

The Scientician wrote: »

The officers involved were charged. I'm not sure what the point is in releasing the footage.

To show other dumb fuckers how not to do it they're arresting people?

CiaranC

The Scientician wrote: »

The officers involved were charged. I'm not sure what the point is in releasing the footage.

Only two were charged.

Officer Manuel Ramos has been charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter in connection with the beating of 37-year-old Kelly Thomas, a homeless schizophrenic man. Officer Jay Cicinelli has been charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/da-announces-kelly-thomas-murder-charges.html

Most they will do is a couple of years, if at all.

The Scientician

Chuck Stone wrote: »

To show other dumb fuckers how not to do it they're arresting people?

As a training video? That has to be put on youtube? I've no great love for the scumbags who perpetrated the act but it's not as if no action has been taken. I'd be curious too if the paramedics in the case were culpable in any way.

CiaranC

The Scientician wrote: »

As a training video?

It was recorded by public CCTV and is being used as part of the record in a public trial, of course its going to be released. You arent seriously advocating allowing the state to withhold video of police murdering people on the street are you?

The Scientician

CiaranC wrote: »

It was recorded by public CCTV and is being used as part of the record in a public trial, of course its going to be released. You arent seriously advocating allowing the state to withhold video of police murdering people on the street are you?

Yeah that's exactly what I meant. :rolleyes:

Chuck Stone

The Scientician wrote: »

As a training video?

I can't figure out what issue you have with the video being released?

The police were public servants tasked with protecting the public and instead they kill an non-threatening and vulnerable member of the public. They are paid from the public purse.

One of the great things about the prevalence of cheap and plentiful video recording equipment is that we get to see the world as it really is rather than how those who shape the narrative would have us believe - this is especially useful when it involves abuse of power.

AskMyChocolate

The Scientician wrote: »

The officers involved were charged. I'm not sure what the point is in releasing the footage.

Hopefully, it may generate enough public outrage,anger and revulsion to put pressure on the judge to hand down proper and adequate sentences in the event of conviction, than may have been handed down otherwise.... although I wouldn't hold my breath.

RichieC

They need a serious look at their law enforcement system in that ****hole of a country. Between that and what they laughingly call their justice system you might as well be in Russia.

The Scientician

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I can't figure out what issue you have with the video being released?

If people have been charged and it's an on-going case I'm not sure what purpose it serves to release the footage to the wider public other than to raise public hackles. I'm not in general against publically filmed footage being given a wider release but a few things bother me in this case.

Nobody on boards.ie (or any other internet community that isn't in the jurisdiction) can influence the outcome of the case, or (unless they live in that jurisdiction) will be significantly impacted by its outcome. Public servants of course should be held accountable for their actions but in this case I think they have been. Beyond that you get internet mob justice and/or ghoulish titilation of looking at footage of a man being beaten to within an inch of his life.

CiaranC

The Scientician wrote: »

If people have been charged and it's an on-going case I'm not sure what purpose it serves to release the footage to the wider public

Eh? Its public property being used in a trial in open court. What are you talking about?

Public servants of course should be held accountable for their actions but in this case I think they have been.

They havent been convicted yet.

le la rat

Sickening stuff. Hitting him with a torch poor man

minidazzler

"Look at this face, it's getting ready to **** you up"

That's second degree murder? What the actual fcuk. I really hope that that officer is put into General Population. He should have been charged with first degree murder and have the death penalty imposed. He tried to commit a murder by hiding behind a badge, he is one sick individual.

The Scientician

CiaranC wrote: »

They havent been convicted yet.

OK, will your internet outrage in anyway impact the conviction or lack thereof?

ziggy23

The Scientician wrote: »

OK, will your internet outrage in anyway impact the conviction or lack thereof?

It's probably not going to impact any conviction but it needs to be put out there so people know what sort of sick fcuks are out there wearing uniforms. Also if it stops some other power mad copper beating an innocent to death I'm all for it being made public. A lot of people probably wouldn't believe it actually happened if they don't see it with their own eyes.

minidazzler

This kind of tape needs to be released so cops realise they can be watched anywhere by anyone and not even know it so they might act in a diligent and appropriate manner.

Most cops would never do what those guys did, but I do believe the majority would stand aside and watch, let it go on, as boondock saints said; We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.

There were 6 cops on the scene and none of them stopped it. That is just as disgusting as the murder itself.

RichieC

minidazzler wrote: »

This kind of tape needs to be released so cops realise they can be watched anywhere by anyone and not even know it so they might act in a diligent and appropriate manner.

Most cops would never do what those guys did, but I do believe the majority would stand aside and watch, let it go on, as boondock saints said; We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.

There were 6 cops on the scene and none of them stopped it. That is just as disgusting as the murder itself.

Nos vigilate vigilum!

yore

ziggy23 wrote: »

Didn't see a thread on this. Somebody sent me this link. At one point he's crying for his daddy.* WARNING DISTURBING STUFF*
http://gawker.com/5908532/horrific-footage-of-mentally-ill-homeless-mans-fatal-police-beating-surfaces-online


And here's what they actually did to his face. *WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTO* <snip>

Coincidentally, I posted giving out about the gardai in another thread.

Anyway for people who think that this story would never happen in Ireland you are probably correct......Mainly because there probably wouldn't be any CCTV footage captured or it'd be destroyed

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1107/breaking38.html

ziggy23

yore wrote: »

Coincidentally, I posted giving out about the gardai in another thread.

Anyway for people who think that this story would never happen in Ireland you are probably correct......Mainly because there probably wouldn't be any CCTV footage captured or it'd be destroyed

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1107/breaking38.html

Jesus I'd say she's just as strong if not stronger than most men:eek:

yore

ziggy23 wrote: »

Jesus I'd say she's just as strong if not stronger than most men:eek:

I think the most relevant part of that was the bit where the garda manning the CCTV saw what was happening and tried to turn the cameras away.

ziggy23

yore wrote: »

I think the most relevant part of that was the bit where the garda manning the CCTV saw what was happening and tried to turn the cameras away.

Oh yea definitely. Sorry just got distracted when I seen her!

yore

ziggy23 wrote: »

Oh yea definitely. Sorry just got distracted when I seen her!

Happens to the best of us when you see a stunner like that. Was she the one who was kicked out of Miss Ireland there recently when they discovered she was too old?

ziggy23

yore wrote: »

Happens to the best of us when you see a stunner like that. Was she the one who was kicked out of Miss Ireland there recently when they discovered she was too old?

Yes and all the threads giving out about Irish women. They obviously haven't seen a fine specimen like herself! In all seriousness though imagine looking like that and bein a scumbag who beats up civilians for no good reason. She's the complete package :rolleyes:

bodhrandude

Thats absolutely shocking footage, US cops are absolute nutcases. There is no need for such violence the guy was harmless. I had to laugh when I heard one of the cops say relax. RELAX! after being bludgeoned by various trunchens and tazered to fcuk, how in the name of god can someone relax after that.

IM0

The Scientician wrote: »

As a training video? That has to be put on youtube? I've no great love for the scumbags who perpetrated the act but it's not as if no action has been taken. I'd be curious too if the paramedics in the case were culpable in any way.

me too. usually paramedics at the scene of a car crash for example are trained to 'ignore' the people making noise and concentrate on the quiet ones who are usually on conscious and need more urgent care.

Jesus Wept

Don't think I'll watch it. :-/

ziggy23

IM0 wrote: »

me too. usually paramedics at the scene of a car crash for example are trained to 'ignore' the people making noise and concentrate on the quiet ones who are usually on conscious and need more urgent care.

Amazingly the paramedics stoppped to deal with the cops' scratches and bruises before they noticed the man lying on the ground bleeding to death.

Potential-Monke

ziggy23 wrote: »

Amazingly the paramedics stoppped to deal with the cops' scratches and bruises before they noticed the man lying on the ground bleeding to death.

They said the cops told them to.

ziggy23

Potential-Monke wrote: »

They said the cops told them to.

Yea that's what I'm saying I'd say the cops were trying to kinda hide what they'd done.

Andy Carroll

Andy Carroll wrote: »

Don't think I'll watch it. :-/

I'm with you on that one.

Went against my better judgment, hopefully they'll be convicted and put in with the general population.

15 to life max for one and 4 years max for the other. Justice. :rolleyes:

the_syco

Potential-Monke wrote: »

They said the cops told them to.

I'd say the paramedics didn't want to piss these particular cops off by saying no to their demands request.

Dyr

Violent scene is shocking shock :eek:

How not to get beaten up by de coppers 101:

Do: comply with lawful directions.

Don't: tell them your sick of being told what to do and then run off

KamiKazeKitten

Bambi wrote: »

Violent scene is shocking shock

How not to get beaten up by de coppers 101:

Do: comply with lawful directions.

Don't: tell them your sick of being told what to do and then run off

Police beat mentally ill man nearly to death, yeah that's a shocking shock alright.

How to not act like a fcuking nutcase 101:

Do: use reasonable force to pin him down.

Don't: Beat the shít out of him until he ends up on life support!




I hope they get whats coming to them in prison.

Dyr

KamiKazeKitten wrote: »

Police beat mentally ill man nearly to death, yeah that's a shocking shock alright.

How to not act like a fcuking nutcase 101:

Do: use reasonable force to pin him down.

Don't: Beat the shít out of him until he ends up on life support!




I hope they get whats coming to them in prison.

It would appear from the coroners report that they sat the **** out of him rather than just beat the **** out of him, slight difference

Do you understand the guidelines for use of reasonable force in the states?

Maybe buy this buke and then make informed comments:
http://www.amazon.com/Force-Decisions-Understanding-Determine-Appropriate/dp/1594392439/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1336556138&sr=8-7

Pedant

This incident reinforces the logic employed by Rothbard that the state is a criminal organisation, indistinguishable from the structure and dealings of a Mafia gang;

"... the State ... is a vast criminal organization far more formidable and successful than any "private" Mafia in history."

smash

Sickening stuff. There seems to be a large percentage of American cops that have serious anger issues.

ps, ziggy do you sleep at all?

ziggy23

smash wrote: »

Sickening stuff. There seems to be a large percentage of American cops that have serious anger issues.

ps, ziggy do you sleep at all?

I take a few catnaps here and there:o:D