The US Military Wants To 'Microchip' Troops

outtagetme

hooradiation wrote: »

I... er...what?
I meant these



I am beginning to suspect you don't know as much as you let on you do when it comes to these kinds of things or you just have a habit of using misleadingly vivid words.

Anything this small can't really be updated in the manner you're implying. They're specialised and more importantly small devices. there's not a lot of scope for these to be updated in a 'trojan' manner. Anything like that would need either need to be replaced entirely or if you could update it, it'd involve being hooked into a machine that would do it. Client side updating (like when a new version of Android is released) would be next to impossible.

The myth of the 'authorities' (Ignoring who these nebulous group(s) are for the moment) could simply 'upgrade' the chip to do whatever scary stuff you want is well beyond the realm of reasonable application.

As an electronics engineer I can safely say bullsh!t to your post. Provisioning and software "pushing" are standard fare and have been for years.

hooradiation

outtagetme wrote: »

As an electronics engineer I can safely say bullsh!t to your post. Provisioning and software "pushing" are standard fare and have been for years.

Well I could call bullshit on your declaration of bullshit, which while fun is ultimately pointless.

Wanna explain yourself?

outtagetme

hooradiation wrote: »

While only somewhat true, none of the above is nefarious.





And this is all just idle imaginings. You've made the jump from RFID technology exists to "HELLSCAPE DYSTOPIA!" without demonstrating anything that shows how we get from A to B.

Did you ever call in sick to work? Did you ever call in sick (which you are perfectly entitled to do) because you just didn't want to go to work that day or were stressed out or had a blazing row with your girlfriend the night before and just couldn't face the job? All perfectly valid "sickness" reasons. You then arrive at work on the Monday only to be given your pink slip. The bosses didn't appreciate that you weren't actually wrapped up in bed with an ice-pack on your head and a thermometer up your arse. They noticed that you took the bus into town, went to the library for a while to chill and read some comedy books to lift your mood. You then went for a spot of lunch (incidentally what you had eaten for lunch wasn't the healthiest of choice so if you were not being fired your health coverage would have been cancelled anyway) and finally were tracked to a tavern where you had two pints of beer in the late afternoon.
Tut tut! Swanning around town, slacking off, loitering in a cafe and drinking alcohol on the company's time when you're supposed to be sick in bed. We're SO disappointed.
Goodbye.

hooradiation

outtagetme wrote: »

Did you ever call in sick to work?

Not unless I'm bed ridden.
So I don't see much point in the rest of your story, and that's before we get into the fantastical nature of it.

outtagetme

hooradiation wrote: »

There's still nothing inherently nefarious about RFID technology.




This is something that keeps on being said, and yet it's never explained.




I've been to Sweden, quite recently, they still used cash. Lots of it actually. Place is damned expensive....




None of this follows from anything you've said previous, how dot he have me by 'the balls'?



Remember? Why would I 'remember' this new aspect you've just shoe horned in from nowhere with no explanation as to why it's relevant or how it relates to anything previous.



Because Armies have no interest in the health of their troops?



Because people are terrible at reporting their symptoms and will often ignore them, because several health issues don't present in obvious ways, some are even asymptomatic - but arguing from a lack of imagination is good too.

Oh please. So the Army are going to say "according to our information, 20 guys in XYZ company have a cold, a few have urinary infections, a couple have gout from boozing, 3 guys have the clap, a few more are showing signs of severe stress and one bloke has diabetes. These lads would never report these ailments and would say they are fine to fight so let's just get them off the battlefield and treat them" Such bollocks!

So the Pentagon won't even put proper armour on Humvees so that soldiers have to scavange around for scrap metal to do it. Bomb victims are lying in their own urine and faeces in appalling conditions at Walter Reed hospital, soldiers who seek help for psychological problems are screamed at, belittled, humiliated and threatened with dishonourable discharge.....if his condition deteriorates to the point that he commits suicide, AFAIK his widow get nothing. Wounded soldiers and their families are routinely fcuked over and conned out of the medical and monetary benefits to which they are perfectly and lawfully entitled.

So please don't give me this claptrap about the "health" of soldiers. Don't tell me they are interested in some grunt's chest infection or athlete's foot. They only give a toss that the guy can march and shoot and they certainly don't give two fcuks about him when he can no longer do that because both legs are gone.

hooradiation

outtagetme wrote: »

Oh please. So the Army are going to say "according to our information, 20 guys in XYZ company have a cold, a few have urinary infections, a couple have gout from boozing, 3 guys have the clap, a few more are showing signs of severe stress and one bloke has diabetes. These lads would never report these ailments and would say they are fine to fight so let's just get them off the battlefield and treat them" Such bollocks!

So the Pentagon won't even put proper armour on Humvees so that soldiers have to scavange around for scrap metal to do it. Bomb victims are lying in their own urine and faeces in appalling conditions at Walter Reed hospital, soldiers who seek help for psychological problems are screamed at, belittled, humiliated and threatened with dishonourable discharge.....if his condition deteriorates to the point that he commits suicide, AFAIK his widow get nothing. Wounded soldiers and their families are routinely fcuked over and conned out of the medical and monetary benefits to which they are perfectly and lawfully entitled.

So please don't give me this claptrap about the "health" of soldiers. Don't tell me they are interested in some grunt's chest infection or athlete's foot. They only give a toss that the guy can march and shoot and they certainly don't give two fcuks about him when he can no longer do that because both legs are gone.

An argument from incredulity is no argument at all.

outtagetme

hooradiation wrote: »

Not unless I'm bed ridden.
So I don't see much point in the rest of your story, and that's before we get into the fantastical nature of it.

Oh so your standards and code of conduct has to be the benchmark for everyone else. So someone who takes a day off because they're emotionally or psychologically unbalanced on that occasion is skyving? Is that what you're saying?
Oh that every worker wasn't as steel-girded as you.

outtagetme

hooradiation wrote: »

An argument from incredulity is no argument at all.

On the contrary, it highlights the complete implausability of the whole thing.

hooradiation

outtagetme wrote: »

Oh so your standards and code of conduct has to be the benchmark for everyone else. So someone who takes a day off because they're emotionally or psychologically unbalanced on that occasion is skyving? Is that what you're saying?

I'd ask you to explain how you came to that conclusion, but I think we both know you're just making a little strawman.
So lets leave this to die with the lack of dignity it deserves.

outtagetme wrote: »

Oh that every worker wasn't as steel-girded as you.

Maybe not, but then that's not really the issue is it.
You've woven a tale of me taking a day off 'skiving' will somehow lead to me being fired. Leaving aside the fact I don't take days off unless I have to, thus rendering the "oh my god, that could be me" based sympathy you're trying to drum up for moot, you've failed to detail how any of this can be achieved.

Speculative fiction is fun and all, but it's not really grounds for putting up a convincing argument.

outtagetme wrote: »

On the contrary, it highlights the complete implausability of the whole thing.

Not really, all it highlights is that you find it implausible, for whatever reason you have, and nothing more.

Run_to_da_hills

I don't know how I slipped this one.

Positive ID receives verichip order for Israeli Military.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't know how I slipped this one.

Positive ID receives verichip order for Israeli Military.

How did Obama/the Anti-Christ swing that one, I wonder? The Israelis will do sweet FA for him, but they will let him micro-chip their troops?

Run_to_da_hills

Request for mods to lock this thread as it has also run its course.

RoboClam

I'm not locking this one yet, as you just posted a link in it today, which people may have an interest in discussing.

GreenWolfe

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't know how I slipped this one.

Positive ID receives verichip order for Israeli Military.

VeriChip will assist emergency situations and disaster recovery in conjunction with modified cameras capable of wirelessly receiving both RFID scanned data and GPS data. A Web-enabled database will also support the gathering and storing of information and images captured during emergency response operations.

Not much to work with here, but as far as I can see it sounds reasonable. Instead of faffing around with paperwork during a man-made/natural disaster, personnel could just scan the injured with the chips and let them get on with their jobs - they could find all sorts of relevant info, like is the patient allergic to certain medications, is there a long-term medical condition to consider etcetera, etcetera. Then the GPS location of where they were treated can be combined with their care records, maybe. This could then be enriched with photos of patients and the general accident area, maybe.

Could also be handy to vet doctors/nurses/other personnel themselves - all their qualification data verified by a good encryption system perhaps?

Really not seeing the conspiracy here tbh.

hooradiation

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

Not much to work with here, but as far as I can see it sounds reasonable. Instead of faffing around with paperwork during a man-made/natural disaster, personnel could just scan the injured with the chips and let them get on with their jobs - they could find all sorts of relevant info, like is the patient allergic to certain medications, is there a long-term medical condition to consider etcetera, etcetera. Then the GPS location of where they were treated can be combined with their care records, maybe. This could then be enriched with photos of patients and the general accident area, maybe.

Could also be handy to vet doctors/nurses/other personnel themselves - all their qualification data verified by a good encryption system perhaps?

Really not seeing the conspiracy here tbh.

Sadly a system like that is probably going to come apart at the seams under the strain of a real disaster.
Which is a shame, being able to get pertinent medical information (like allergies to medicines, pre existing conditions) from people who may not be able to give it in a triage situation would be amazingly useful.

Run_to_da_hills

This week science fiction writer Elizabeth Moon argues that everyone should be given a barcode at birth.

“If I were empress of the Universe I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached a barcode if you will; an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals.

It would be imprinted on everyone at birth. Point the scanner at someone and there it is."

Didn't we see all see this before.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120522-barcode-everyone-at-birth

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Didn't we see all see this before.

So what happened to this claim?
Or should we add it to the pile of unfulfilled predictions you made/make?
Cause that's kinda the only things we've seen here before.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

So what happened to this claim?
Or should we add it to the pile of unfulfilled predictions you made/make?
Cause that's kinda the only things we've seen here before.

That was another mistake that was crossed out.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

That was another mistake that was crossed out.

So then can you explain why you repeated it at all, or why you ever claimed it in the first place?

Or are you just going to pretend to be obtuse because once again you are incapable of engaging in any sort of intelligent adult discussion?

GreenWolfe

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This week science fiction writer Elizabeth Moon argues that everyone should be given a barcode at birth.

“If I were empress of the Universe I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached a barcode if you will; an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals.

It would be imprinted on everyone at birth. Point the scanner at someone and there it is."

Didn't we see all see this before.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120522-barcode-everyone-at-birth

Once again, where's the conspiracy? The only thing that can definitely be known from that link is that one individual writer had an idea to imprint everyone with a unique identifier at birth. Is there anything beyond this here?

But, you actually took anything after the phrase "If I were empress of the Universe....." seriously?

Run_to_da_hills

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

Once again, where's the conspiracy? The only thing that can definitely be known from that link is that one individual writer had an idea to imprint everyone with a unique identifier at birth. Is there anything beyond this here?

But, you actually took anything after the phrase "If I were empress of the Universe....." seriously?

There is a lot more talk about this type of stuff in public than there would have even just a year ago.

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There is a lot more talk about this type of stuff in public than there would have even just a year ago.

No there isn't, you just seem very taken with patterns. It's psychological.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There is a lot more talk about this type of stuff in public than there would have even just a year ago.

And the last time you claimed there was more talk about it, it didn't happen.
As you said, it was a mistake you made.

So seeing as you're just repeating the exact same nonsense, I'd wager that we're not going to be seeing this anytime soon, and that you'll still be making the exact same claims a year from now, regardless of how many times it's pointed out to you.

Run_to_da_hills

Jonny7 wrote: »

No there isn't, you just seem very taken with patterns. It's psychological.

US and Israel troops within the space of a few months, since when did we hear of this before? We have had a few isolated cases in the past such as the proposal tagging of HIV Pos patients in Paupa Indonesia which was quickly dropped, another proposal to e_tag Alzheimer patients.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There is a lot more talk about this type of stuff in public than there would have even just a year ago.

Funny, there's way more talk about Facebook than there was a few years ago. Way more talk about iPAds too. Weird. And botox. What's going on??

(of course, this assumes your claim is even correct :P)

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

US and Israel troops within the space of a few months, since when did we hear of this before? We have had a few isolated cases in the past such as the proposal tagging of HIV Pos patients in Paupa Indonesia which was quickly dropped, another proposal to e_tag Alzheimer patients.

Neither of which happened.
So following on the pattern you've stuck to, it won't happen this time either.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

LOL.

I see your friends in the EU head office want to start e_tagging us all with smart cards. :eek:

All these smart cards conveniently use the same 13,.56 Mhz frequency, hardware, electronic touch pads and digital readers as implantable Verichips. So we are getting a little bit closer to that screaming baby poster on the lamppost.

http://www.euractiv.com/infosociety/brussels-wants-identities-eu-citizens-news-512833

Simply spewing out the same articles does not answer the points.

It's just you making the exact same predictions that with out fail, do not come true.
You said it about the swine flu and Lisbon treaty. You've said it about any minor point or mention you can latch onto and distort.
And you'll continue this dishonest behaviour long into the future when even more of your claims fail to pan out.

So the question is, why do you keep spiting this stuff up when you both know it's not going to happen, and you have to lie to make it seem like it will?

But as usual, you're more interested in using this forum like a blog where people will see your idiotic propaganda pictures. And you'll just ignore this question like you do with every other post.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

And the last time you claimed there was more talk about it, it didn't happen.
As you said, it was a mistake you made.

RFID Locator Chips Embedded In School Uniforms Keep Track Of Students In Brazil

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

RFID Locator Chips Embedded In School Uniforms Keep Track Of Students In Brazil

So you're posting a link that is nothing like what you claim, doesn't support your dishonest scaremongering and doesn't answer or even address any of the points put to you.

You are just spamming at this stage.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

So you're posting a link that is nothing like what you claim, doesn't support your dishonest scaremongering and doesn't answer or even address any of the points put to you.

You are just spamming at this stage.

If I'm spamming your trolling.