Khan V Peterson may be off

Maravilla33 · 08-05-2012 7:30am #1

Looks like their rematch may be off after Peterson failed a drug test. They're investigating the findings and say that the results will be released by the end of today. The first fight was class and was really looking forward to the rematch so will be a big shame if this is true. Petersons the one who insisted on additional testing so will be a bit strange if he was taking something..

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7903293/lamont-peterson-tests-positive-banned-substance

DERPY HOOFS · 08-05-2012 7:35am

Mayweather was right about drugs in boxing it seems.A guy pumping himself up with steriods or bull sperm or whatever they take should not be in a ring as when one fighter gets tired the other still has power and strength and a guy could be killed.

ebbsy · 08-05-2012 9:38am

Either that or he does not want to fight Pacman..........

Henno30 · 08-05-2012 12:09pm

Some disaster alright. I think the chances of synthetic testosterone having innocently found its way into his system are pretty slim. The fight is surely off at this point. Really disappointing for several reasons, one being that it had the makings of a fantastic rematch. Another being that Khan has possibly been cheated out of at least 6 months of his career. And as for Peterson, I had huge respect for him, what he's been through and the way he carries himself. If this is as bad as it looks his career could be destroyed.

walshb · 08-05-2012 12:16pm

If all is verified it casts a serious cloud over all LP has done. It may explain why he was so physically durable and strong in their first bout. Khan hit the guy with a tremedous amount for 12 rds. He just kept coming.

Frankie Lee · 08-05-2012 12:52pm

Does anyone know the results of any tests before or after the last fight?

Me being the cynic I am would guess that a large percentage of top level fighters use EPO in training camps and are able to get around testing easily enough.

Henno30 · 08-05-2012 1:11pm

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Does anyone know the results of any tests before or after the last fight?

Me being the cynic I am would guess that a large percentage of top level fighters use EPO in training camps and are able to get around testing easily enough.

There was no osdt for the last fight. Ironically it was Peterson's camp that asked for it this time around. That just makes the whole thing even stranger.

Very possible that it's rampant. Lots of money at stake and low levels of testing. Not the most ethical business to start with. Wouldn't surprise me at all if emerged that juicing was widespread.

walshb · 08-05-2012 1:13pm

Henno30 wrote: »

There was no osdt for the last fight. Ironically it was Peterson's camp that asked for it this time around. That just makes the whole thing even stranger.
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That could well have been a deliberate ploy in the unlikely case that they themselves get caught. They probably weren't expecting to get caught, but used this as some sort of excuse in case they did.. "Why would we ask for doping tests if we were doping ourselves?"

Henno30 · 08-05-2012 2:30pm

walshb wrote: »

That could well have been a deliberate ploy in the unlikely case that they themselves get caught. They probably weren't expecting to get caught, but used this as some sort of excuse in case they did.. "Why would we ask for doping tests if we were doping ourselves?"

I wonder if anyone else uses that strategy

walshb · 08-05-2012 2:40pm

Henno30 wrote: »

I wonder if anyone else uses that strategy

That type of ploy is used in Murder She Wrote a lot.

Snappy the Moose · 08-05-2012 2:47pm

I was looking forward to seeing curry boy get another hiding tbh.

walshb · 08-05-2012 2:59pm

Snappy the Moose wrote: »

I was looking forward to seeing curry boy get another hiding tbh.

Bit OTT, no?

Henno30 · 08-05-2012 3:01pm

walshb wrote: »

That type of ploy is used in Murder She Wrote a lot.

There's a lot of money in it alright.

Maravilla33 · 08-05-2012 3:10pm

walshb wrote: »

Bit OTT, no?

Don't really see the point in comments like that to be honest. Either looking for attention or is a moron. Either way a pointless comment.

Edit: Not your comment walshb.

efb · 08-05-2012 3:13pm

We need Angela Lansbury to clean up boxing

corny · 08-05-2012 3:14pm

Snappy the Moose wrote: »

I was looking forward to seeing curry boy get another hiding tbh.

Always amazes how much hostility Khan generates in strangers.

Thats a nasty, racist sentiment btw.

walshb · 08-05-2012 3:39pm

Maravilla33 wrote: »

Don't really see the point in comments like that to be honest. Either looking for attention or is a moron. Either way a pointless comment.

Edit: Not your comment walshb.

+1 , mate!

cowzerp · 08-05-2012 3:47pm

Snappy the Moose wrote: »

I was looking forward to seeing curry boy get another hiding tbh.

Banned, racism will not be tolerated.

Maravilla33 · 08-05-2012 3:57pm

If the fight is called off where does Khan go from here? Surely too late to get any kind of decent replacement in. He can be a plank at times but feel sorry for him now. He's lost his titles in potentially cloudy circumstances and now possibly wasted a few months of his life preparing for a fight that mightn't happen.

walshb · 08-05-2012 4:30pm

I feel sorry for Khan. The guy has real genuine ambition and wants to meet the best. This is a blow for him. Maybe he should get Prescott in and avenge that defeat. I think he could too, and by stoppage!

Maravilla33 · 08-05-2012 4:57pm

walshb wrote: »

I feel sorry for Khan. The guy has real genuine ambition and wants to meet the best. This is a blow for him. Maybe he should get Prescott in and avenge that defeat. I think he could too, and by stoppage!

Not a bad shout at all. Usually I'd say Khan has no need to face Prescott again. Their careers have moved in completely opposite ways since they fought and to face Prescott would be a step backwards. But a loss is a loss and in these circumstances where it may be hard to find a replacement I'd say Khan may be happy enough to take his grievances out on Prescott. I think Prescott would welcome the payday also. I'd back Khan to stop him alright by some kind of mid to late TKO.

clubwelly · 08-05-2012 8:29pm

Seems very weird considering Peterson's team proposed the drug testing

Yeah I dunno who wud take it at short notice, Prescott is a good shout.
Sick for any people headin over there with their flights booked. Wonder wud Maidana take it.

Henno30 · 08-05-2012 10:04pm

clubwelly wrote: »

Seems very weird considering Peterson's team proposed the drug testing

Yeah I dunno who wud take it at short notice, Prescott is a good shout.
Sick for any people headin over there with their flights booked. Wonder wud Maidana take it.

Maidana took a bad beating from Devon Alexander in that first fight at 147. Hard to know if he's going to stay there. Depends on whether or not he's happy with gatekeeper status I suppose.

Henno30 · 09-05-2012 8:30am

I see Peterson's camp are using the testosterone replacement therapy angle. I presume the fight still won't happen but it'll be interesting to see what impact it has on his punishment.

dlofnep · 09-05-2012 8:33am

Nobody his age needs testosterone replacement. It's nonsense.

walshb · 09-05-2012 9:08am

Henno30 wrote: »

I see Peterson's camp are using the testosterone replacement therapy angle. I presume the fight still won't happen but it'll be interesting to see what impact it has on his punishment.

Just like with many athletes who get caught, the red herrings are thrown in, and the authorities buy it, and nothing happens.

cowzerp · 09-05-2012 9:25am

walshb wrote: »

Just like with many athletes who get caught, the red herrings are thrown in, and the authorities buy it, and nothing happens.

Its less about buying it and more about going against a doctors word-If doc says this was treatment then they would be risking getting in trouble if they banned him, plus it probably suits them of the truth be known, is very common in Mma

walshb · 09-05-2012 9:37am

cowzerp wrote: »

Its less about buying it and more about going against a doctors word-If doc says this was treatment then they would be risking getting in trouble if they banned him, plus it probably suits them of the truth be known, is very common in Mma

Well then there is the problem. If they cannot implement the drug laws why have them? If a doctor is going to defend a client and the authorities can't do anything out of a fear of getting into trouble, then the whole system is flawed. Simple: List of drugs not allowed: if in the system, no ifs, no buts, ban! You can't have a system where an athlete and his doctor, for example, can throw in red herrings to get away. Oh, it was an accident, he was having treatment, he ate the dogs dinner by accident, he accidentally inhaled the drug at a party etc etc etc. Like An Post says about the TV licence, we've heard all the excuses, and they don't work.

insanity50 · 09-05-2012 10:08am

no 28 year old man needs TRT.

Floyd was right implementing the random drug testing.

Anyone who follows MMA will know the NSAC isn't up to much usually, but when they did a random drug test recently on Alistair Overeem he got stung badly. Normally they only test very close to fight time so any boxers/MMArtists can juice all year and taper off the few days before a test. I'd say there's a lot of it going on in boxing, and even more of it going on in MMA. It's sad really, these guys will be the worse for it when their careers are over, and their promoter won't give two damns.

Henno30 · 09-05-2012 12:39pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Nobody his age needs testosterone replacement. It's nonsense.

Obviously it's nonsense but that's not the point. The point is TRT is a controversial issue in MMA, and it seems to me at least that how the NSAC deal with Peterson has implications for how they deal with it there. It also has implications for Golden Boy's position vis-a-vis their impending lawsuit against Peterson.

Spazdarn · 09-05-2012 9:02pm

Any form of treatment like that should surely have the commission informed. These are professional boxers, their lifestyles are meticulously taken care of to prevent problems like this.

Very dodgy.

Henno30 · 09-05-2012 9:54pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Any form of treatment like that should surely have the commission informed. These are professional boxers, their lifestyles are meticulously taken care of to prevent problems like this.

Very dodgy.

A 'therapeutic use exemption' is required as far as I know. And obviously they didn't have one.

efb · 09-05-2012 11:38pm

It's official- its OFF.

The last fight result is annulled

MD1990 · 09-05-2012 11:54pm

wonder who will Khan fight next
maybe Maidana then winner of Ortiz Vs Berto

Spazdarn · 10-05-2012 5:23am

efb wrote: »

It's official- its OFF.

The last fight result is annulled

I've seen it is off but where does it say it's annulled?

Maravilla33 · 10-05-2012 7:31am

MD1990 wrote: »

wonder who will Khan fight next
maybe Maidana then winner of Ortiz Vs Berto

That's a fairly tough introduction to WW for Khan. Both have the power to take him out and seem a good bit bigger even though Khan is taller than both. If he loses any chance of a PBF fight will be gone so I'd say he'll go for something a bit easier.

efb · 10-05-2012 7:49am

ToiletFusion wrote: »

I've seen it is off but where does it say it's annulled?

BBC 5 live last noght

Henno30 · 10-05-2012 11:52am

Maravilla33 wrote: »

That's a fairly tough introduction to WW for Khan. Both have the power to take him out and seem a good bit bigger even though Khan is taller than both. If he loses any chance of a PBF fight will be gone so I'd say he'll go for something a bit easier.

Maidana has only had one fight at 147 himself, and in it he got thoroughly schooled by Devon Alexander who was fighting at that weight for the first time himself. Maidana didn't look to have taken any of his power with him in that fight.

Maravilla33 · 10-05-2012 12:05pm

Henno30 wrote: »

Maidana has only had one fight at 147 himself, and in it he got thoroughly schooled by Devon Alexander who was fighting at that weight for the first time himself. Maidana didn't look to have taken any of his power with him in that fight.

To be honest I missed the Maidana part of your comment and was talking about Berto and Ortiz.

Maidana wouldnt be a bad option. Khans looking to fight on June 30th. Looks like Maidana fights every 4-5 months anyway and June 30th is around 4 months since he last fought. Not sure what kind of shape he keeps himself in but gives him 7 weeks to get ready. He looked terrible at 147 though so could he possibly come down and fight Khan for the LWW belts or can he not make the weight anymore? If they did fight at LWW it would still leave Khan having to find an opponent at WW when he decides to move up. Cant see him fighting Mayweather without a tune up.

walshb · 10-05-2012 12:20pm

Kell Brook?

Dan_Solo · 10-05-2012 12:40pm

Henno30 wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me at all if emerged that juicing was widespread.

Wouldn't surprise me if it were true. Would surprise me if it ever got public.

Maravilla33 · 10-05-2012 1:08pm

walshb wrote: »

Kell Brook?

Good fight. Who'd your money be on?

Spazdarn · 10-05-2012 1:15pm

Maravilla33 wrote: »

Good fight. Who'd your money be on?

Kell is handy enough but I'd have Khan to outpoint him... Khan going a few rounds ahead at the beginning and making it difficult for himself the rest of the way

walshb · 10-05-2012 2:59pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Kell is handy enough but I'd have Khan to outpoint him... Khan going a few rounds ahead at the beginning and making it difficult for himself the rest of the way

Khan to me is far too fast and busy. Kell would need a KO, and really, I don't think he has what it takes. Khan's chin and punch resistance have improved a fair bit. Khan also has reach and height. LP is better than Kell.

Edit: Maravilla33, my money is really on Khan. 9-1 he beats Kell in 10 fights.

Maravilla33 · 10-05-2012 3:25pm

I'm firmly in the "sit on the fence" camp when it comes to Brook. I think he's done little to warrant being rated as highly as he is by some, and will wait and see how he does when stepped up in class, before getting too excited. However, in saying that I think he may be all wrong for Khan. While he's not the typical fighter you'd imagine troubling Khan I think he has the timing and poise to outbox him as well as the punch to take him out. Would love for this to be made.

walshb · 10-05-2012 4:07pm

He is not outboxing Khan, no way. He isn't busy enough, nor cute enough to do this. I also don't think he' a great hitter. Certainly not heavier than a Maidana, and even LP is as heavy handed. This is, LP was a lot more aggressive, in your face and throwing. Brook likes to pick shots, set up shots etc. Khan won't allow this.

Maravilla33 · 10-05-2012 4:22pm

Brooks best asset is his timing which will counter Khan's speed along with a stiff jab. He's very accurate and has power in both hands. I'd say the mix of his accuracy, speed and power make him a much more hurtful puncher than Maidana. The only advantage I give to Khan is his hand speed. His defence isn't great its all about running. He doesn't move his head or slip punches. He lunges in and leaves himself open when he throws a flurry. He's made for someone like Brook in my opinion.

walshb · 10-05-2012 4:28pm

Maravilla33 wrote: »

Brooks best asset is his timing which will counter Khan's speed along with a stiff jab. He's very accurate and has power in both hands. I'd say the mix of his accuracy, speed and power make him a much more hurtful puncher than Maidana. The only advantage I give to Khan is his hand speed. His defence isn't great its all about running. He doesn't move his head or slip punches. He lunges in and leaves himself open when he throws a flurry. He's made for someone like Brook in my opinion.

Khan is far from the complete fighter and all you say is correct. Kell won't expose it, trust me. Kell's hesitance and waiting for the perfect shots may be his undoing. Not that he could not come up with a plan, but I feel that Khan will be just too much in volume and movement and speed. Brook will be hit a fair deal here. I think you are overrating Kell's one punch power. I don't see him getting a one punch win, and even a combination may not do it.

Maravilla33 · 10-05-2012 4:39pm

walshb wrote: »

Khan is far from the complete fighter and all you say is correct. Kell won't expose it, trust me. Kell's hesitance and waiting for the perfect shots may be his undoing. Not that he could not come up with a plan, but I feel that Khan will be just too much in volume and movement and speed. Brook will be hit a fair deal here. I think you are overrating Kell's one punch power. I don't see him getting a one punch win, and even a combination may not do it.

This is quite funny as I'm usually a bit of a critic of Brooks. I'm really not sure about him yet. I think he's looked good up to now but won't really rate him until he does it against someone that punches back. He does look like he has the tools though. Khan would be a good test and is also far ahead of Brook in terms of big fight experience so it would be interesting. I think Khan's handspeed and movement would trouble him for a few rounds alright. After that I see Brook finding his rhythm and timing and wearing Khan down. Khan's volume, movement and speed will lessen the more he is countered. Bit of banter between the 2 aswell so its a good fight to make.

RobbingBandit · 10-05-2012 5:08pm

Pity Álvarez has just fought,him vs Khan would be a great fight. May be set this one up with the winner then having some backing for a fight with Mayweather.

walshb · 10-05-2012 5:43pm

Maravilla33 wrote: »

This is quite funny as I'm usually a bit of a critic of Brooks. I'm really not sure about him yet. I think he's looked good up to now but won't really rate him until he does it against someone that punches back. He does look like he has the tools though. Khan would be a good test and is also far ahead of Brook in terms of big fight experience so it would be interesting. I think Khan's handspeed and movement would trouble him for a few rounds alright. After that I see Brook finding his rhythm and timing and wearing Khan down. Khan's volume, movement and speed will lessen the more he is countered. Bit of banter between the 2 aswell so its a good fight to make.

Khan's engine is top notch, so unless Brook pressures harder than LP and Maidaina, while also taking the shots Khan will land, I think a wearing down scenario is highly unlikely. Brook would need to considerably alter his fight style and really up the workrate.

Khan V Peterson may be off

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