Hellboy 3/reboot

Links234

Hellboy was out in 2004, the sequel in 2008, is anyone else thinking it's a pity we don't have a third film for 2012? Yeah, I know the director's busy with Pacific Rim, but damn I want another Hellboy film

amacca

Links234 wrote: »

Hellboy was out in 2004, the sequel in 2008, is anyone else thinking it's a pity we don't have a third film for 2012? Yeah, I know the director's busy with Pacific Rim, but damn I want another Hellboy film

not me anyway........I liked the first one and grew tired after that

paddy kerins

Me too, guy, me too

dr gonzo

Yeh, same as OP. I thoroughly enjoy those films. Admittedly the first is better but still, I'd like to see another one.

pixelburp

Guillermo Del Toro & Ron Perlman have both supposedly made noises about how they'd love to do a new Hellboy film, and seem fairly receptive to the idea, so I'm guessing it's the studio or license holders who are against it.

I loved both movies, the first more than the second - but then the sequel was a bit wobbly in places. Both however had a great sense of humour & really likable characters. Not to mention some great imagination & monster design, the kind of which you get with DelToro; the Troll Market in Hellboy 2 was great to look at if nothing else.

Dermighty

Hellboy 2 > Hellboy 1

bullvine

Hellboy 2 > Hellboy 1

Littlehorny

Yeah Ron perlman is 62! unless he kills himself in the gym he is not gonna look the part, but no way anyone else can play Hellboy now.

Turtyturd

If it hasn't been mentioned Hellboy 2 > Hellboy 1.

Caught the end of the sequel a few weeks ago, it's just visually amazing.

Ape X

Littlehorny wrote: »

Yeah Ron perlman is 62! unless he kills himself in the gym he is not gonna look the part, but no way anyone else can play Hellboy now.

His physique was provided by prosthetics in the other movies, not gym work.

Would love a third movie too by the way. Great fun was had from the first two!

I had the privilege to speak to Del Toro awhile back and he said that Hellboy 3 was a long time off and that he feared that he may never to make it. Be a shame if we never had the opportunity to see how it turned out as it was clear from Hellboy 2 that Del Toro had at least one more film in mind when writing/making part two.

mdwexford

First one is so much better.

Mickeroo

I'm in the the Hellboy 2 is superior camp myself, it feels more like a Del Toro movie to me. and along with avengers and TDK its one of the best comic book movies ever imho. Love both of them though.

Really hope they get to finish off the trilogy. I seem to recall reading something about Mike Mignola being worried (tongue in cheek possibly) about a third movie as it would finish the full character arch before he would have a chance to in the books, basically

Hellboy would end up dying somehow

Shryke

The first is way better. The second was painful in places and clunky in others although that didn't stop me enjoying it. I'd like a 3rd alright but it would want to be strong.

stealinhorses

Prince Nuada.

Do I need to say anything else to make my case for Hellboy 2 > Hellboy 1?

Shryke

stealinhorses wrote: »

Prince Nuada.

Do I need to say anything else to make my case for Hellboy 2 > Hellboy 1?

I'm waiting for you to say something!

Cork boy 55

I wish Hellboy had never been made TBH

Marty McFly

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

I wish Hellboy had never been made TBH

What why? I enjoyed Hellboy 1 and 2 equally thought both had good plots with likeable characters and the visuals were just stunning in both, bit of a crazy statement really.

Sad Professor

Both Hellboys bored me senseless.

But speaking of Del Toro, it seems Prometheus may have put the final nail in the coffin of At the Mountains of Madness. Del Toro reckons they are so similar that his project will never get made now. I feel sorry for the guy, especially since the budget and R rating is what basically killed ATMOM in the end, and here's Scott making a 200 million R rated film inspired by the same source material. He's had terrible luck with film projects since Pan's.

johnny_ultimate

I liked the two Hellboys as the slightly frivolous, eccentric curious they are. I'd certainly but them above most other superhero movies, as they have an awful lot of character and a pleasantly tongue-in-cheek delivery. Did think the second one was a bit more uncertain of its tone, or perhaps the freshness had worn off a bit.

Although I'll admit I'm not as fond of Del Toro as a director as others are. Not to say I haven't really liked many of his films (especially The Devil's Backbone) but there's always something... lacking for me. I actually find it very difficult to describe why, but I've never been blown away by one of his films.

Would've loved to see his Bioshock adaptation though. One case where I thought source material and director could have combined into a very rewarding whole.

Sad Professor

I didn't know he was attached to Bioshock. I always thought Verbinski would have done a good job with it, but De Toro would have been even better.

johnny_ultimate

Oh, maybe he wasn't attached. I may just be confused. A few moments of idle speculation and swift denials online (http://ie.movies.ign.com/articles/868/868008p1.html), but nothing concrete. He has been working on a video game project and been in discussion with Bioshock creator Ken Levine: perhaps that's where I got confussed.

But still, would like to see it :pac:

Sindri

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/07/hellboy-3-might-be-underway-thanks-to-one-boys-wish

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/07/14/hellboy-3-guillermo-del-toro-ron-perlman/

Marty McFly

Really hope this happens, I love the first two for me its the best comic adaptation, well maybe just behind Batman.

But even Batman cant compete for the visuals of Hellboy.

MagicMarker

Thought the second movie was crap tbh.

Marty McFly

MagicMarker wrote: »

Thought the second movie was crap tbh.

Really why?

brianregan09

Loved the 1st one had an awesome opening scene taking right out of indiana jones kind of, second was good but i felt it lost some of the magic

Bipolar Joe

Hellboy chilling out with a little boy is easily the best photograph on the entire planet.

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/821812881893244929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/821791584048005120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

pixelburp

Would be great to see a third film, especially if it added a capper on the overall arc that bubbled beneath the first two films; part of me though thinks it has been too long and the moment just a little bit lost. I dunno, I tend to believe there's an informal 'statute of limitations' when it comes to belated sequels to otherwise beloved franchises

Not that I wouldn't be immensely excited about the prospect of a third Hellboy film mind you - in a world where XXX manages to get a second sequel, and the Underworld series continues to give Kate Beckinsale gainful employment 5/6 films in, surely there's room for more Hellboy in our world...

Dtp1979

Hold on, there's a Hellboy 2???

TherapyBoy

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Hold on, there's a Hellboy 2???

Yup!
I think they even shot a (very small) part of it in Northern Ireland.

Slydice

You haven't seen Hellboy 2!??!?

Oh, enjoy that!

pixelburp

Well, that's that then. 100% not happening, at least not by Guillermo Del Toro anyway.


https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/834057572550324227

Nervous Wreck

I wonder what went wrong...

AMKC

TherapyBoy wrote: »

Yup!
I think they even shot a (very small) part of it in Northern Ireland.

They did indeed.

A pity there is not going to be a Hellboy 3 film would have went to the cinema to see that.

pixelburp

Actual Hellboy update! There's no 3rd instalment coming out, but there's a R-rated reboot in the works; Neil Marshall is assigned to direct, with David Harbour apparently in line to play Red himself.

Not sure what to make of this: 'R-rated' sometimes seems like code for a creative crutch that sacrifices actual craft for some F-bombs or extra buckets of corn syrup. Plus the absence of DelToro is a definite minus; Marshall's a fine genre director no doubt, but DelToro's imagination really added an extra layer to those existing Hellboy films.

http://www.avclub.com/article/hellboy-reboot-works-david-harbour-and-director-ne-254982

nix

pixelburp wrote: »

Actual Hellboy update! There's no 3rd instalment coming out, but there's a R-rated reboot in the works; Neil Marshall is assigned to direct, with David Harbour apparently in line to play Red himself.

Not sure what to make of this: 'R-rated' sometimes seems like code for a creative crutch that sacrifices actual craft for some F-bombs or extra buckets of corn syrup. Plus the absence of DelToro is a definite minus; Marshall's a fine genre director no doubt, but DelToro's imagination really added an extra layer to those existing Hellboy films.

http://www.avclub.com/article/hellboy-reboot-works-david-harbour-and-director-ne-254982

Interesting, some nice talent involved. But still, Id rather they done something else, something new. Pain in my hoop with reboots on hardly aged movies :mad:

Marty McFly

Mixed emotions about this one on the one hand be nice to have more Hellboy in some shape or form.

But a large part of me really wanted a Del Toro third instalment it was his style that made it what it was and a beautiful film style wise to watch.

McLoughlin

Del Toro wanted far too much money for his vision/version of Hellboy 3 and the film won't have made any profit judging on past box office receipts for the first two films.

I'm glad that the studio still want a He'll boy film and are moving on as far the R rating well that's probably influenced by Deadpool and Logan success and the important realisation that some comic book adaptions need a R rating.

pixelburp

I'm not that familiar with the Hellboy comics beyond the bullet points, but does it need the R-rating? Hellboy 2 was a bit goofy sure, but it's not like the first film lacked a dark, macabre & creepy tone. I wasn't watching either of them thinking 'what this film needs is more gore'.

Mickeroo

pixelburp wrote: »

I'm not that familiar with the Hellboy comics beyond the bullet points, but does it need the R-rating? Hellboy 2 was a bit goofy sure, but it's not like the first film lacked a dark, macabre & creepy tone. I wasn't watching either of them thinking 'what this film needs is more gore'.

There are violent bits in the comics but no I don't think it needs an R rating. The 2 Del Toro films had it about right.

I don't think those tooth fairies would have been any more creepy if there was geysers of blood squirting around the place.

Agent Coulson

Ian McShane joins the reboot cast as Professor Broom.

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/edskrein/status/902244967296491520

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/edskrein/status/902244967296491520

Reading that last night and it is a nonsense storm in a teacup. The kind of SJW tosh that has become more and more prominent of late. I don't think the race of an actor cast in a role matters one bit if they are the best person for the role.

Granted there are exceptions when race is pivotal to a role but much like with say 30 Days of Night or the recent Death Note it has no real impact in this. People need to understand that when adapting something changes will be made and it's not offensive to hire an actor of a different race to play a character.

There are plenty of examples of traditionally white characters being played by non whites and no one gave a damn, Denzel Washington in The Manchurian Candidate, Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin, Will Smith in I am legend, Morgan Freeman as and Irish character caleld Red in Shawshank Redemption and even in comic book films you have Jackson in The Avengers film, Elba in Thor.

Cultural representation in cinema is an important thing and you have to be careful with how you represent a culture or race but this is not one of those times. Would anyone have any issue if say a white character in the comic book was played by an Asian actor?

Gingervitis

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading that last night and it is a nonsense storm in a teacup. The kind of SJW tosh that has become more and more prominent of late. I don't think the race of an actor cast in a role matters one bit if they are the best person for the role.

Granted there are exceptions when race is pivotal to a role but much like with say 30 Days of Night or the recent Death Note it has no real impact in this. People need to understand that when adapting something changes will be made and it's not offensive to hire an actor of a different race to play a character.

There are plenty of examples of traditionally white characters being played by non whites and no one gave a damn, Denzel Washington in The Manchurian Candidate, Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin, Will Smith in I am legend, Morgan Freeman as and Irish character caleld Red in Shawshank Redemption and even in comic book films you have Jackson in The Avengers film, Elba in Thor.

Cultural representation in cinema is an important thing and you have to be careful with how you represent a culture or race but this is not one of those times. Would anyone have any issue if say a white character in the comic book was played by an Asian actor?

Not to mention, the character Alice Monaghan in Hellboy 3, an Irish redhead, is being played by Sasha Lane, seen in American Honey last year. What's the opposite of ginger-washing? (Iris & Wally West in the CW Flash, Jimmy Olsen in Supergirl, Mary Jane in Spiderman Homecoming)

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading that last night and it is a nonsense storm in a teacup. The kind of SJW tosh that has become more and more prominent of late. I don't think the race of an actor cast in a role matters one bit if they are the best person for the role.

[...]

Cultural representation in cinema is an important thing and you have to be careful with how you represent a culture or race but this is not one of those times. Would anyone have any issue if say a white character in the comic book was played by an Asian actor?

There's a bit more context to this than simply dismissing it as 'SJW tosh'; I don't pretend to be aware - or invested tbh - in the issue of Hollywood & Asian casting, but in light of the Ghost in the Shell remake it has reopened the question of why recasting Asian characters or films is still the ... I dunno, acceptable form of ethnic recasting. And if it's not recasting, there's still the lingering Fu Machu style tropes of "Asia" as the mysterious continent of all things mystical or spiritual. The Marvel Netflix series have dabbled with that & the antagonist group The Hand.

The Ghost in the Shell remake was a big eye-roll for people, and having seen the film it was remarkable that in a clumsy attempt to split the difference, it managed to only double down on the accusations of white-washing (in that

its main character was revealed to be a Japanese girl conveniently turned into a caucasian robot

). There was even a rumour for a while that the studio played with the idea of using CGI to make Scarlet Johannson look 'more asian', though the FX studio supposedly hired have denied they were ever involved.

Mostly I'm just glad Ed Skrein isn't involved because he's a bland, charismaless actor & no great loss to any production IMO.

Deleted User wrote: »

There are plenty of examples of traditionally white characters being played by non whites and no one gave a damn, Denzel Washington in The Manchurian Candidate, Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin, Will Smith in I am legend, Morgan Freeman as and Irish character caleld Red in Shawshank Redemption and even in comic book films you have Jackson in The Avengers film, Elba in Thor.

Just to be pedantic, but Sam Jackson's Nick Fury was based off an already race-swapped version of the comics' Nick Fury, who was in turn intentionally modelled off Samuel L. Jackson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

There's a bit more context to this than simply dismissing it as 'SJW tosh'; I don't pretend to be aware - or invested tbh - in the issue of Hollywood & Asian casting, but in light of the Ghost in the Shell remake it has reopened the question of why recasting Asian characters or films is still the ... I dunno, acceptable form of ethnic recasting. And if it's not recasting, there's still the lingering Fu Machu style tropes of "Asia" as the mysterious continent of all things mystical or spiritual. The Marvel Netflix series have dabbled with that & the antagonist group The Hand.

The Ghost in the Shell remake was a big eye-roll for people, and having seen the film it was remarkable that in a clumsy attempt to split the difference, it managed to only double down on the accusations of white-washing (in that

its main character was revealed to be a Japanese girl conveniently turned into a caucasian robot

). There was even a rumour for a while that the studio played with the idea of using CGI to make Scarlet Johannson look 'more asian', though the FX studio supposedly hired have denied they were ever involved.

Mostly I'm just glad Ed Skrein isn't involved because he's a bland, charismaless actor & no great loss to any production IMO

I think that the issue you have here is that not an eye brow is raised when it comes to casting traditionally white characters with nonwhite actors. It's a double standard that in this day and age really doesn't have to exist. The white washing stuff around Death Note at the weekend was puzzling given that from what I saw of it Willem Dafoe was perfect in the role of the demon. I'd happily watch him redub the existing live action film.

Personally, as long as they cast the best person for the role, that is all that matters in my eyes. I'd happily watch a nonwhite actor play Batman or Superman if they delivered a good performance.

The Ghost in the Shell whitewashing thing was nonsense. Yes, the let's use CGI to make them more Asian thing was a complete wtf moment but no one can confirm if this even happened. The reaction surrounding the main casting was overblown. Mamoru Oshii who directed the anime had no problem with her casting. He stated “What issue could there possibly be with casting her? The Major is a cyborg and her physical form is an entirely assumed one. The name ‘Motoko Kusanagi’ and her current body are not her original name and body, so there is no basis for saying that an Asian actress must portray her. Even if her original body (presuming such a thing existed) were a Japanese one, that would still apply.” ”

Whenever whitewashing is brought up people always bring up Mickey Rooney of Fu Manchu and yes they are offensive portrayels of Asian people but they belong to a time that has long passed. Society has moved on and sure, if they had planned to Fu Manchu up Skerin then it would have been offensive but it's not offensive the manner in which they intended. And I agree that he's a bad actor, he can play a convincing scumbag but not a lot else.

pixelburp wrote: »

Just to be pedantic, but Sam Jackson's Nick Fury was based off an already race-swapped version of the comics' Nick Fury, who was in turn intentionally modelled off Samuel L. Jackson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

I'm familiar with that, just that the character was always traditionally a white man.

Sonics2k

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally, as long as they cast the best person for the role, that is all that matters in my eyes. I'd happily watch a nonwhite actor play Batman or Superman if they delivered a good performance.

Now, I want to make it clear that I'm split on this, and do quite agree with you, to a point.

Let's keep in mind that Ed Skrein has quit himself. He has made the choice and agrees with the people upset by this.

And let's not forget that people had an absolute fit at the thought of Idris Elba playing James Bond. Absolute pandemonium about a woman playing The Doctor and an all-female cast in Ghostbusters.


If we're brutally honest, Hollywood does have a bit of a history of hiring white actors to play non-white roles, but it's far more rare for it to be the other way around.

Typically speaking, I don't really care what actor is hired if they're good for the role, but the exception should not be made when the characters race plays an integral part in backstory of the character. The like of Sam Jackson as Nick Fury does not impact the characters background as his race is never an issue in the Marvel universe.

Sonics2k

Sonics2k wrote: »

Now, I want to make it clear that I'm split on this, and do quite agree with you, to a point.

Let's keep in mind that Ed Skrein has quit himself. He has made the choice and agrees with the people upset by this.

And let's not forget that people had an absolute fit at the thought of Idris Elba playing James Bond. Absolute pandemonium about a woman playing The Doctor and an all-female cast in Ghostbusters.


If we're brutally honest, Hollywood does have a bit of a history of hiring white actors to play non-white roles, but it's far more rare for it to be the other way around.

Typically speaking, I don't really care what actor is hired if they're good for the role, but the exception should not be made when the characters race plays an integral part in backstory of the character. The like of Sam Jackson as Nick Fury does not impact the characters background as his race is never an issue in the Marvel universe.

No one is denying that it happens, there are loads of examples of white actors cast as black characters and vice versa. It's like Elba being cast as Roland in the Dark Tower, not who I would have picked but he was great in the role even if having a black actor in the role means that some of the books most shocking moments will not work as well as they did on the page.

The reaction to things like Elba being Bond or a female Doctor Who comes from narrow-minded scumbags. Most people could not care less about a black Bond or female Doctor. That said that arguments are mostly the same and both groups are wrong, though in the case of a white person complaining about a black Bond they are branded a racist, whereas an Asian person complaining about the Hellboy thing is considered to be right.

The most recent baffling criticism is for Detroit where plenty of people came out to attack the Bigelow for being a white woman and how she should not be telling a black story. It's utter nonsense and the kind of backward thinking that you'd have hoped would have disappeared years ago.

Skerin quit no doubt due to the fact that did he not he'd have to spend the next year minimum defending his casting. he can wrap it up any way he wants but if he was so concerned with playing a character of Asian descent then he shouldn't have signed up in the first place.

Grayditch

I understand his decision and think it's a good thing to do, but his twitter post was long and started to sound really self gratifying.