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***Motors Chat Thread*** Round 1
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Boring isn't such a bad thing.
Way i see it is.
ST will be more expensive t fuel and tax
ST will be more likely to draw the wrong kind of attention/slightly more boy racer image.
Interrior on ST is not of the same quality of the golf(GTI has a really nice steering wheel and apart from the ST logo on the ST you could be holding a transit connect steering wheel)
ST parts would seem to be cheaper but ST also seems to have more small common faults like floor pan/sideskirts falling off and clutch dropping etc.
If this was a weekend car i would be all over the ST, but as it's a daily driver for about 200 miles a week i need to weigh everything up, gah i wish i was working today i have too much time for thinking
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Boring isn't such a bad thing.
Way i see it is.
ST will be more expensive t fuel and tax
ST will be more likely to draw the wrong kind of attention/slightly more boy racer image.
Interrior on ST is not of the same quality of the golf(GTI has a really nice steering wheel and apart from the ST logo on the ST you could be holding a transit connect steering wheel)
ST parts would seem to be cheaper but ST also seems to have more small common faults like floor pan/sideskirts falling off and clutch dropping etc.
If this was a weekend car i would be all over the ST, but as it's a daily driver for about 200 miles a week i need to weigh everything up, gah i wish i was working today i have too much time for thinking
GTI might be a bit more common place, but it certainly fits the bill given the above.0 -
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I prefer fast estates to hot hatches if I want a practical, fast car. I got pretty much all bases covered now.ShadowHearth wrote: »Matt simis, why dont you own ST? The way you praise that lump of metal, I would imagine you got 2 of them as daily drivers and 3 more in storage for kids when they grow up!
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Boring isn't such a bad thing.
Way i see it is.
ST will be more expensive t fuel and tax
ST will be more likely to draw the wrong kind of attention/slightly more boy racer image.
Interrior on ST is not of the same quality of the golf(GTI has a really nice steering wheel and apart from the ST logo on the ST you could be holding a transit connect steering wheel)
ST parts would seem to be cheaper but ST also seems to have more small common faults like floor pan/sideskirts falling off and clutch dropping etc.
If this was a weekend car i would be all over the ST, but as it's a daily driver for about 200 miles a week i need to weigh everything up, gah i wish i was working today i have too much time for thinking
I do about 180 miles a week in the ST without issue, 200 miles a week is well within its range without being prohibitively expensive.
I don't get any attention from the boy racers at all either, I'd imagine the GTI would have much more of an issue with this in fact due to it popularity and also the switchover from the jap to the VAG scene by most "boy racers" these days.
The GTI has it's own problems too
Any car with a bit of power will have common faults you'll have to deal with.
The ST wouldn't be a good choice as a weekend car, it's built to be a comfortable cruiser with a nice bit of power. Which seems to fit the bill but you seem to be looking for excuses not to buy one?0 -
Matt Simis wrote: »I prefer fast estates to hot hatches if I want a practical, fast car. I got pretty much all bases covered now.
So why can't you get over it then? Let the man buy his gti and enjoy it. He prefers a hatchback which is fast and fun, but sensible too. In the end of the day he just prefers GTI, not ST.
He does not tell you to buy octavia vrs sedan?
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ShadowHearth wrote: »So why can't you get over it then? Let the man buy his gti and enjoy it. He prefers a hatchback which is fast and fun, but sensible too. In the end of the day he just prefers GTI, not ST.
He does not tell you to buy octavia vrs sedan?
What are you on about? I didnt even advocate buying an ST!? And again, to point out the obvious, he doesnt prefer the GTI over the ST. He is retreating from an outside the box choice back to a predicable and safe choice instead. Why do I reply? Cos Im against this type of sheepish me too mentality.
Should we all just pat each other on the back for every bland choice?0 -
ShadowHearth wrote: »So why can't you get over it then? Let the man buy his gti and enjoy it. He prefers a hatchback which is fast and fun, but sensible too. In the end of the day he just prefers GTI, not ST.
He does not tell you to buy octavia vrs sedan?
But jimbob hasn't stated that, in fact in his posts he has stated that he acknowledges the GTI would be the boring choice for him and that he would rather buy something different like an ST or MPS but that something is holding him back.
He definitely doesn't stat that he prefers the GTI. From his posts I get the impression he is more resigned to getting the GTI rather than excited about it.0 -
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Matt Simis wrote: »What are you on about? I didnt even advocate buying an ST!? And again, to point out the obvious, he doesnt prefer the GTI over the ST. He is retreating from an outside the box choice back to a predicable and safe choice instead. Why do I reply? Cos Im against this type of sheepish me too mentality.
Should we all just pat each other on the back for every bland choice?
If he would be "jizz in my pants ST is most awesome car!!!! I want it!!! I want it!!!!!! Though that tax is way too high", then I would agree with your point. Unfortunately he just "likes" it amd it would be a nice option.
He did not felt in love with it, if he is still considering other option. Just because gti is popular does not make it a bad car. I would not advocate both of those cars, but nothing wrong with him choosing gti, over st.0 -
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In fairness he was leaning towards an ST for quite a while and he's not even driven one yet. So it's possibly safe to say he hasn't even had a chance to fall in love with it yet.
Alas, I'm not getting involved in one of these debates either, it all boils down to tax yet again and whether you're willing to pay it or not. 0 -
In fairness he was leaning towards an ST for quite a while and he's not even driven one yet. So it's possibly safe to say he hasn't even had a chance to fall in love with it yet.
Alas, I'm not getting involved in one of these debates either, it all boils down to tax yet again and whether you're willing to pay it or not.
in all fairness i am not for one or another car, i am for OP choice in the end of the day. If he prefers one option to another, then why not? the reasons for that choice are completely his own business. In this case he wants a good all arounder with small bit more fun, then 1.4 paddy spec bean tin.
what i suspect, that OP does not know himself 100% what he wants. He is not sold on any of two options 100%, so i would not be surprised if by the time all his quest for new car will end, there will be not just option A and B, but Option C, D and E.0 -
While the ST might be a better choice than the Golf, the fact remains he could probably tax and insure the Golf for the price of Tax on the ST.
ST: Tax €1204 Insurance €538 + €47 NCB protection /// Total €1789 p/a
GTI: Tax €660 Insurance €538 + €47 NCB protection /// Total €1245 p/a
That wouldn't be the main thing though, i have this awful feeling tax will go up alot in the next budget and i might be stuck with something i won't be able to sell(god i sound like my dad
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I dunno, Heart says ST(Need to drive one this week to be sure) but head says Golf but not gonna spend that kind of money on a 05 (i know a guy selling a 05 with almost 90,000 miles but it has upgrades intake/miltek system/r32 brake pads/braided hoses etc and came with every extra new but 90k + almost 8 years old is madness for almost 8 grand tbh)
Here will someone pm me an address i can send my money to while i curl up in a ball under my blankets and wait for my new chariot to arrive ?
This was so much more fun when it was all theoretical :pac:0 -
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trust me, it will be even worse, when you will get 8k eu in cash to pay for the car and hold it in your hand. you wont need any car at all and all you will want to do is put that under pillow and bark at anything that walks pass 0
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ShadowHearth wrote: »trust me, it will be even worse, when you will get 8k eu in cash to pay for the car and hold it in your hand. you wont need any car at all and all you will want to do is put that under pillow and bark at anything that walks pass
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Matt Simis wrote: »Thats cos I didnt post it here!
http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37360
Truck driver was delivering office supplies and must have mistaken my V12 repmobile for a customers car.. :pac:
Sorry to hear that Matt! 0 -
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