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Beaut.ie rant on Lush Stunt
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Oh random was on twitter sneakily in work today and saw this before I left (cause I follow all the beaut girls)! Guess they aren't fans of boards so
I love the site but don't really like it as much lately, this one sided train of thought isn't doing them any favours
How petty they would do this. They can't handle anything different from their own views.
And the word 'rapey'? They used 'rapey'? These are meant to be grown women. It beggars belief.
I said earlier that I like to see what other commenters say on products and read others' posts (there's one girl, Sara, who I find particularly good) and that's why I sometimes look on the site. This has just nailed the coffin shut for me. I'll stick to individual blogger's own blogs in future and keep looking at makeupalley.com and the like. Yes, I'm just one reader, hardly likely to shut the site down, but it's all I can do and I'll do it.
Sorry, this doesn't read well, it's fairly disjointed and all over the place. I'm just fairly horrified by the reaction of beaut.ie and the resulting 'SmokeyEyes MUA was it necessary....' Childish, petty and unnecessary.0 -
mysteries1984 wrote: »I'm just fairly horrified by the reaction of beaut.ie and the resulting 'SmokeyEyes MUA was it necessary....' Childish, petty and unnecessary.
Have been keeping an eye out over on the twitter machine. Poor auld smokey eyes getting a hard time of it
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Have been keeping an eye out over on the twitter machine. Poor auld smokey eyes getting a hard time of itI wouldn't call this bitching, I'd call it a discussion. Something that beaut.ie obviously doesn't want to facilitate.
+1 to both. Have they even read SmokeyEyes' original post?? Beaut.ie, as you're reading this, please feel free to contribute to this discussion. You apparently weren't willing to do so on your own website so a thought was posted here.
Sometimes I wish I was on Twitter so I could follow stuff like this. Then I realise it'd just infuriate me
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Feel sorry for smokey eyes.
I'll tell you what that is. Own medicine isn't so sweet. She/they throwing a hissy fit at someone doing precisely what they did last week. They need to suck it up and realise that if you write in a public domain you are open to criticism.
If Smokeyeyesmua is reading this thread, please don't feel you need to defend your actions, you absolutely do not.0 -
Sittingpretty wrote: »If Smokeyeyesmua is reading this thread, please don't feel you need to defend your actions, you absolutely do not.
^ Well said!
Lol at those tweets from the author of the article.“Was it really nessicary(sic) to start a boards thread on my lush beaut post?
….just thought it was an unusual thing to do”
Unusual? How is it unusual to want to engage in a constructive debate on a topic? What’s more, a topic like this is always going to be subjective and invoke very strong opinions for or against, so debate is a very good thing here. If we all think the same about everything the world would be a mighty boring place!
Look at that Samantha Brick “I’m so beautiful” piece in the Daily Mail. She was slated after that article was published but to her credit she fought her case and stuck to her guns (her delusional guns maybe but that’s for another thread). Some of the comments posted below that article were downright nasty but they were opinions none the less so were left for everyone to see and discuss.
The whole idea of journalism is to spread an issue, topic or news with the masses. Where it’s an opinion piece it should remain that, one person’s opinion that they would like to share with a wider audience. I think that’s why the post was pulled from beaut. The article was written by someone who clearly has a strong opinion on the topic and wanted to voice her concerns. I’d say Beaut didn’t want people looking negatively at them generally though so they pulled it down. It’s had the opposite effect though, it makes them look amateur, childish and is alienating readers.
Message to Beaut – If you don’t want constructive, heated debate on your site, that’s fine. Just make sure your girls don’t post opinion pieces on topical issues in future. Stick to make-up, that way you won’t have to embarrass yourselves pulling down content every time someone has a different viewpoint. Problem solved.
It’s just a real pity the author didn’t have the bottle to stand up for her own beliefs and fight her case. I thought the article was no more than a badly thought out rant to be honest (and one I strongly disagree with, hence me posting here) but the author would have redeemed herself no end if she engaged in the debate afterwards instead of running off to slag the posters on twitter like a 4 year old.
I assume she’s reading this, so to the author: there is still time to enter the debate… you have an opinion, I have an opinion, so let’s discuss the issue like grownups. It’s a very interesting topic and one you clearly have very strong views on. I do too, so do lots of other people. I’d love to know if you actually think all the things you wrote are true. Register on boards (it’s free and very cool) and let’s see if we can’t educate one another … 0 -
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I appreciate all the support here on boards and have had loads of lovely private messages on twitter too. You lot are lovely:)
Don't really want to say too much, I think I'm in people's bad books now but honestly just love boards to discuss interesting topics, I would've posted up just as easily if I'd read it in a daily newspaper or a magazine and won't stop doing it in the future!
Wasn't out to offend or cause hassle, just was genuinely surprised and interested in people's views after reading the strong views on beaut and always use here as my point of call to read and get views from dedicated boardsies!0 -
SmokeyEyes wrote: »I appreciate all the support here on boards and have had loads of lovely private messages on twitter too. You lot are lovely:)
Don't really want to say too much, I think I'm in people's bad books now but honestly just love boards to discuss interesting topics, I would've posted up just as easily if I'd read it in a daily newspaper or a magazine and won't stop doing it in the future!
Wasn't out to offend or cause hassle, just was genuinely surprised and interested in people's views after reading the strong views on beaut and always use here as my point of call to read and get views from dedicated boardsies!
Smokey, I'm delighted you stuck to your guns on this one. As for bad books...do you really want to be in the good books of people that have that immature, mud-slinging attitude? I thought your original post was so unprovocative and genuine, opening it up to discussion. Mr Teeny gave good advice - beaut.ie girls, stick to make up, not opinion pieces if you can't handle the 'backlash'.0 -
SmokeyEyes wrote: »I appreciate all the support here on boards and have had loads of lovely private messages on twitter too. You lot are lovely:)
Don't really want to say too much, I think I'm in people's bad books now but honestly just love boards to discuss interesting topics, I would've posted up just as easily if I'd read it in a daily newspaper or a magazine and won't stop doing it in the future!
Wasn't out to offend or cause hassle, just was genuinely surprised and interested in people's views after reading the strong views on beaut and always use here as my point of call to read and get views from dedicated boardsies!
Smokeyeyes, you started a thread on a topic that was relevant. You did nothing wrong. I am actually shocked at beaut.ie's reponse and have found it very childish and unproffessional. You can't write an opinion piece and then get upset when others disagree.
I hope they are reading this thread. It will provide them with some much needed feedback which they won't get on their site since deleting the article.0 -
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I don't really understand the point the author made by saying that animal testing is illegal in the uk. Yes it is, but it's not illegal to sell products tested on animals.
I really don't think most people know what the animals are subjected to and it's for that reason that I think lush's campaign was a good one.
Exactly! It really irks me that the author makes such an issue about the UK being an animal testing free zone yet Beaut.ie openly advertise products from companies that are associated with animal testing. And as you say, no testing is done in the UK but you can still buy countless products that have been imported.
As Linguo pointed out, the campaign was disturbing but the whole point was to raise awareness of what animals actually are put through, something most people have no idea about.
This quote in particular boils my blood.This is why so certain that his intention was to equate animal cruelty to violence against women. The animal welfare activism community is rife with the aforementioned bull****.
What an ignorant statement. The intention of all the lush campaigns is simple, raising awareness of animal cruelty / testing.
With a little bit of research she would have found this.
A lush campaign where a male employee spent 12 hours in a cage dressed as a rabbit to draw awareness of animal testing.
And here is another male lush employee stuck in a cage with some fake cuts, again to draw awareness.
Granted, the two images above are nowhere near as shocking as the ones the article rants at, but I think they give a clear indication about Lush’s motives generally speaking. Is violence against women on their agenda…? Not a bloody chance.0 -
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Ok I don't want to go completely off topic, but people saying that these 'shock tactics' actually work is Bullcrap!
We see worse treatment of humans on the news every night with countless wars,famines etc. Yet most people do nothing in their lifetime to try and change this. How naieve do you have to be to think some performance artist is suddenly going to make us all stop using products tested on animals?
I think things can be changed in the world, but some well intentioned performance artist simulating toture porn is not the answer. The beauty industry systematically has to change. It is an industry with a long history of not only animal rights abuse, but also human rights abuse. It manipulates images and promotes messages to make women feel insecure about their looks from an early age so we will buy their products.
I'm sure we have all seen tv programmes of women getting breast surgery to make their boobs bigger or botox injected into their faces, how is this any different to the horrific treatment that animals get inflicted on them in labs? I know that animals don't have a choice as we do but still I think when it comes to the beauty industry you have to pick your battles, and animal rights are really not the biggest issue facing us at the moment.
The key word there is choice, to me. These people choose to undergo cosmetic procedures. The animals don't. I see that as the ultimate crux of the matter.
I think people are partly desensitised to human suffering. The news incorporating war, famine and so on are on in almost everyone's household from an early age. I think there's also an ignorance in relation to animal testing. People are unaware of what happens. Shock tactics like this make it more reachable to the public, for want of a better word. It's almost like a form of pathos.Exactly! It really irks me that the author makes such an issue about the UK being an animal testing free zone yet Beaut.ie openly advertise products from companies that are associated with animal testing. And as you say, no testing is done in the UK but you can still buy countless products that have been imported.
As Linguo pointed out, the campaign was disturbing but the whole point was to raise awareness of what animals actually are put through, something most people have no idea about.
Yes. Exactly. Beaut.ie and others may see liquid being forced down a woman's throat as a reference to 'spunk' but I don't, because I've seen enough footage of it being done to animals. And the issue vis a vis testing in the UK is a vital issue that many are unaware of.I think the animals would disagree:) Sure there are many important issues but I believe this is a very worthwhile one and should be addressed and sorted, we're the dominant species we should show compassion. If someone wants to mutilate their own body with surgery that's their own business!
There's a huge problem with how the beauty industry portrays beauty but that's a different issue, this is just about saving animals from unnecessary torture
+1 to this. It's all about choice. There is undoubtedly an issue with the way women in particular are depicted in the beauty industry (and fashion) but as above, that's a different issue.While you may not think they are 'fights' worth fighting they do and at least they are standing up for something and trying to raise awareness and do some good.
Exactly. I buy stuff from Lush every now and again, and will continue to do so. I've always found the way their sales assistants jump on you when you go in the door pretty irritating, but at the same time I found their ethos to be solid and based ultimately on doing what is generally deemed 'good'. Aside from making a profit, obviously. No other high street brand does what they do for raising awareness, and I'll always applaud them for that.I'm almost embarassed to admit it but I really didn't know what was involved in animal testing. I had this vision in my head of bunnies being kept in cages and smeared with lipstick and blusher. I know that's naive and a very ignorant view but that was the way I was. After lush did this campaign I did a bit more research on the issue and frankly it's disgusting what they put the animals through and the amount of companies that use animal testing (although I admit some of the sources of animal testing info are highly biased)
I'm actually thrilled to read this. If Lush hadn't initiated this, you would be none the wiser on animal testing. I consider myself relatively well informed on methods of testing and what companies use them, so this has pleased me no end. Kudos to you for opening up about what you didn't know before. We can all do with a little more knowledge.
My first post on this thread referred to this being successful as an advertisement. I still do think like that, but I'm pleased to see the thread continuing.
On a personal level, I'm a vegetarian. I don't use anything that's been tested on animals for cosmetic purposes as there's always an alternative. Would I like to try the new L'Oreal mascara? Sometimes, a new product intrigues me. But never that much. I'm only one person who has made the decision to stop buying animal tested cosmetics. And I would never force my opinions down someone else's throat. Most people in my day-to-day life have no idea of my stance. But by portraying this stunt, maybe Lush have inspired someone else to do the same thing. I don't want to portray myself as a philosophical do-gooder, by the way. I hope this doesn't come across as self-righteous and up my own arse. I have many, many flaws. This is just my take on it all.
Sorry, that was rambling. Like my last post. This one has hit a nerve with me it appears
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