IDFPA/GPC/IPO Rules Discussion

J-Fit

Da Za wrote: »

Think your smiley face may contradict that.

Anyway, it doesn't matter at all, no harm done.

It was a good starter fed tbh their rules really led to people leaving plus I like wraps and a monolift lol

Are wraps permitted on raw lifts in GPC?

the drifter

J-Fit wrote: »

Are wraps permitted on raw lifts in GPC?

yes:cool:

COH

J-Fit wrote: »

Are wraps permitted on raw lifts in GPC?

Squat/Deadlift - Knee wraps only, no wrist wraps
Bench - wrist wraps are fine

Sugar Free

COH wrote: »

J-Fit wrote: »

Are wraps permitted on raw lifts in GPC?

Squat/Deadlift - Knee wraps only, no wrist wraps
Bench - wrist wraps are fine

I can understand the reasoning behind no wrist wraps for deads but why squats? Seems a bit odd.

VIS VIRES

Sugar Free wrote: »

I can understand the reasoning behind no wrist wraps for deads but why squats? Seems a bit odd.

Care to explain it to me so? Because it just seems stupid to me..

Hanley

VIS VIRES wrote: »

Care to explain it to me so? Because it just seems stupid to me..

I think he's confusing wraps with straps.

But no wrist wraps on squats is absolutely f*cking stupid, dangerous and makes no sense. There is absolutely no logical argument for it and I actually feel incredibly strongly about how stupid a rule it is because it puts lifters in needless danger.

COH

Sugar Free wrote: »

I can understand the reasoning behind no wrist wraps for deads but why squats? Seems a bit odd.

The official clarification we got was...

knee wraps are for protection, like the wrist wraps in the bench but its not sure what purpose the wrist wraps fulfill in the squat or deadlift

Hanley

COH wrote: »

The official clarification we got was...

That is the dumbest f*cking thing Ive ever heard.

COH

Hanley wrote: »

That is the dumbest f*cking thing Ive ever heard.

Its the reason I absolutely 110% favour the IPO going forward. Great bunch of lads!

Squatman

Yea, i agree, its a stupid rule, its like the made to rule for the sake of making a rule! I suppose they can now say they have a rule book .

Da Za

Squatman wrote: »

Yea, i agree, its a stupid rule, its like the made to rule for the sake of making a rule! I suppose they can now say they have a rule book .

There's always been a rule book I'm afraid, that's a typical zealot comment from you but I'd expect no different.

Now, the rule above I don't agree with but c'est la vie.

Squatman

Da Za wrote: »

There's always been a rule book I'm afraid, that's a typical zealot comment from you but I'd expect no different.

Now, the rule above I don't agree with but c'est la vie.

And what would my religion have to do with anything?

Da Za

Squatman wrote: »

And what would my religion have to do with anything?

You appear to have missed my point but the idfpa does appear to be gospel of its followers, sorry I mean members.

Da Za

Personally, I'm not against them one bit. Just the picture portrayed!


Nope, never failed one squat in the idfpa, 6 from 6. Now, that hasn't happened in a while.

But you seem to think the other Feds don't have the same credibilty, from your comments, which is bull****.

I've competed in all of them. GPC and IPO are miles ahead, in my opinion.

Squatman

Da Za wrote: »

Personally, I'm not against them one bit. Just the picture portrayed!


Nope, never failed one squat in the idfpa, 6 from 6. Now, that hasn't happened in a while.

But you seem to think the other Feds don't have the same credibilty, from your comments, which is bull****.

I've competed in all of them. GPC and IPO are miles ahead, in my opinion.

Nope. never said that, nor did i mean to convey that, Id love to compete in either gpc or IPO, but dont want to lose the chance in lifting with IDFPA either.
But from what I have read on boards is that the others arent as stringent when it comes to squat depth, a thing which I, from first hand experience know is not the case with the idfpa. The consistently and systematically fail squats which are not to depth.
And furthermore I would not like to go to a comp and have high squats passed either.

Da Za

Squatman wrote: »

Nope. never said that, nor did i mean to convey that, Id love to compete in either gpc or IPO, but dont want to lose the chance in lifting with IDFPA either.
But from what I have read on boards is that the others arent as stringent when it comes to squat depth, a thing which I, from first hand experience know is not the case with the idfpa. The consistently and systematically fail squats which are not to depth.
And furthermore I would not like to go to a comp and have high squats passed either.

Ah it's just the way I saw it.

You should come compete but I know you lose your membership there, that's such a bull**** rule tbh, hence my comments.

I've had squats not passed and some have said they looked good, not many mind you but it's happened. There's always good calls and bad calls but that's life. I've never seen lifts token gifted tbh.

Come compete and you'll see first had or even go to a meet and watch.

Hanley

Squatman wrote: »

Nope. never said that, nor did i mean to convey that, Id love to compete in either gpc or IPO, but dont want to lose the chance in lifting with IDFPA either.
But from what I have read on boards is that the others arent as stringent when it comes to squat depth, a thing which I, from first hand experience know is not the case with the idfpa. The consistently and systematically fail squats which are not to depth.
And furthermore I would not like to go to a comp and have high squats passed either.

...another reason not to lift IDFPA. Ridiculous rule.

No fed's perfect, but one which actively seeks to exclude people from powerlifting with other federations is completely untenable in my opinion when there's other options available.

Is it still the official position that if you even show up to an IPO and GPC comp to spot/load/coach you can be banned? Or is it competitors only?

the drifter

Hanley wrote: »

...another reason not to lift IDFPA. Ridiculous rule.

No fed's perfect, but one which actively seeks to exclude people from powerlifting with other federations is completely untenable in my opinion when there's other options available.

Is it still the official position that if you even show up to an IPO and GPC comp to spot/load/coach you can be banned? Or is it competitors only?

This....

I really dont see this rule being any good for powerlifting...if you are an active IDFPA member and are subjecting yourself to out of competition testing then you should be allowed lift wherever you want.

Skull

Just wondering if this thread is about the weekends lifting or a platform for everybody's ignorant ramblings about the IDFPA?

Hanley

Skull wrote: »

Just wondering if this thread is about the weekends lifting or a platform for everybody's ignorant ramblings about the IDFPA?

How exactly is it ignorant?

the drifter

Skull wrote: »

Just wondering if this thread is about the weekends lifting or a platform for everybody's ignorant ramblings about the IDFPA?

I see plenty of ramblings against GPC/IPO as well..


But..back to discussing the weekends lifting please people.

Skull

Hanley wrote: »

...another reason not to lift IDFPA. Ridiculous rule.

No fed's perfect, but one which actively seeks to exclude people from powerlifting with other federations is completely untenable in my opinion when there's other options available.

Is it still the official position that if you even show up to an IPO and GPC comp to spot/load/coach you can be banned? Or is it competitors only?

Just an example, that was never the case.
A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Anyway I'll wait for a moderators response to my original question.

Skull

the drifter wrote: »

I see plenty of ramblings against GPC/IPO as well..


But..back to discussing the weekends lifting please people.

Sorry didnt see that before I replied above ,
back on topic so, thanks.

the drifter

Skull wrote: »

Sorry didnt see that before I replied above ,
back on topic so, thanks.

not a bother...

I've given them their own thread.

Care to expain the rules for us? I'd be interested to know once and for all what the story is with the IDFPA rule on other feds..

Remember...stay civil golks

Hanley

Skull wrote: »

Just an example, that was never the case.
A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Anyway I'll wait for a moderators response to my original question.

So what is the rule then? Because that’s the impression I got from the proposals last year, and the thread on the IDFPA forum about it.

I’d actually be curious to hear what the official position of the IDFPA and WDFPF is about it.

Skull

the drifter wrote: »

not a bother...

I've given them their own thread.

Care to expain the rules for us? I'd be interested to know once and for all what the story is with the IDFPA rule on other feds..

Remember...stay civil golks

No problem I'll answer anything I can as long as the discussion is positive and constructive.
I'll have a bit more time later as I'm at work but the crux of the whole thing is the WDFPF rule that a WDFPF member or member of its affiliate's cannot be a member of an untested federation.

Skull

Hanley wrote: »

So what is the rule then? Because that’s the impression I got from the proposals last year, and the thread on the IDFPA forum about it.

I’d actually be curious to hear what the official position of the IDFPA and WDFPF is about it.

There was a lot of bull**** and misinformation flying last year and lots of people got the wrong impression. Hearsay becomes fact after a couple of rounds on the internet.

the drifter

Skull wrote: »

There was a lot of bull**** and misinformation flying last year and lots of people got the wrong impression. Hearsay becomes fact after a couple of rounds on the internet.

This is why id like you to answer it Skull. I was looking on the IDPFA website but the rules are from 2007.

When you get a chance later your input would be appreciated.

Squatman

An also on same topic,
There was some (at least) national records broken by lifters who have also lifted with GPC last year. What is the status of this?
Is it still a legitimate record, even though, by definition he/she should not have been allowed lift with IDFPA to begin with?

Bottom line, I think if the rule is there it should be enforced stringently.

(P.S. I think they should revoke the rule)

Squatman

Hanley wrote: »

...another reason not to lift IDFPA. Ridiculous rule.

No fed's perfect, but one which actively seeks to exclude people from powerlifting with other federations is completely untenable in my opinion when there's other options available.

Is it still the official position that if you even show up to an IPO and GPC comp to spot/load/coach you can be banned? Or is it competitors only?

What are the other reasons?

Da Za

That rule has really increased the numbers leaving the fed and has made it a very distant, stand alone one at that.

Now, the idfpa will get a lot of up and coming young lifters joining which is a great thing but to instill that mind set from the get go can damage perceptions further.

It's a decent fed to start your lifting in, like I said earlier but the idfpa, to me, may be trying to make itself out to be the be all and end of pl in Ireland, I could wrong.

It's like in the states, where everyone that doesn't compete in the SPF is out to criticise them on everything. Blah blah blah

Lifters should be able to choose where they want to lift, end of.

kevpants

On a slightly related topic. Got my first pair of knee wraps yesterday. To all who told me they don't get carry over from them and they're just for support I'd like to say...

You lying, cheating backstards!

Hanley

Da Za wrote: »

That rule has really increased the numbers leaving the fed and has made it a very distant, stand alone one at that.

Now, the idfpa will get a lot of up and coming young lifters joining which is a great thing but to instill that mind set from the get go can damage perceptions further.

It's a decent fed to start your lifting in, like I said earlier but the idfpa, to me, may be trying to make itself out to be the be all and end of pl in Ireland, I could wrong.

It's like in the states, where everyone that doesn't compete in the SPF is out to criticise them on everything. Blah blah blah

Lifters should be able to choose where they want to lift, end of.

The SPF gets criticised because traditionally if you get under the bar and attempt a record, once you give it a half decent run, you get it. THat's shocking.

Hanley

Skull wrote: »

There was a lot of bull**** and misinformation flying last year and lots of people got the wrong impression. Hearsay becomes fact after a couple of rounds on the internet.

Is there an updated IDFPA or WDFPF rulebook available to read then?

My memory may well be hazy on this, but here’s how I remember it… So correct me if I’m wrong.

-IDFPA propses banning lifters who compete in other fed a year ahead of the WDFPF rule which will probably do the same anyway
-This was directly after a major international WDFPF comp was supported by the GPC with spotters, loaders and equipment
-Rumours that spotting, loading or coaching at non IDFPA events will also get you banned

Has there been an official statement on any of this?

COH

kevpants wrote: »

On a slightly related topic. Got my first pair of knee wraps yesterday. To all who told me they don't get carry over from them and they're just for support I'd like to say...

You lying, cheating backstards!

I get loads of carry over ... I just didn't want to spoil the surprise

Skull

These are the main points of the WDFPF rule changes as I understand them.

You cant be a member of an untested federation and be a member of a WDFPF affilliate.

Membership runs out in December each year so it is possible to take a years break from lifting with a WDFPF affiliate but the join up again the following January. You have to commit to the WDFPF affilliate for the full year however and not lift with any untested feds as if you do you will be refused membership to the WDFPF affilliate thereafter.

You can go to untested feds comps as much as you like and spot, load support etc. There was never a rule against that.

You can train with, spot, go for walks on the beach with lifters of untested feds. There was never a rule against that.

Eg. our best lifter James O Connell trains with guys who lift in untested feds and supports them at their competitions.

I think this would cover 99% of queries for most lifters. I'm not a spokesman for the IDFPA but if anyone has any genuine queries I'll help if I can. I'm not interested in childish internet wars I dont have the time for it.

I'm off training

Paudee

Skull wrote: »

There was a lot of bull**** and misinformation flying last year and lots of people got the wrong impression. Hearsay becomes fact after a couple of rounds on the internet.

For what it's worth, any 'bull**** and misinformation' i read was on the IDFPA forum, and posted by its president! That was what stopped a lot of people lifting last year.

Da Za wrote: »

There's always been a rule book I'm afraid, that's a typical zealot comment from you but I'd expect no different.

Pot, Kettle!

And that wrist wrap rule wasn't in the origninal rulebook.

the drifter

Skull wrote: »

These are the main points of the WDFPF rule changes as I understand them.

You cant be a member of an untested federation and be a member of a WDFPF affilliate.

Membership runs out in December each year so it is possible to take a years break from lifting with a WDFPF affiliate but the join up again the following January. You have to commit to the WDFPF affilliate for the full year however and not lift with any untested feds as if you do you will be refused membership to the WDFPF affilliate thereafter.

You can go to untested feds comps as much as you like and spot, load support etc. There was never a rule against that.

You can train with, spot, go for walks on the beach with lifters of untested feds. There was never a rule against that.

Eg. our best lifter James O Connell trains with guys who lift in untested feds and supports them at their competitions.

I think this would cover 99% of queries for most lifters. I'm not a spokesman for the IDFPA but if anyone has any genuine queries I'll help if I can. I'm not interested in childish internet wars I dont have the time for it.

I'm off training

Cheers for that...If you take a years break and lift in say IPO's are you ok to then rejoin the WDFPF?

gymfreak

Hanley wrote: »

I think he's confusing wraps with straps.

But no wrist wraps on squats is absolutely f*cking stupid, dangerous and makes no sense. There is absolutely no logical argument for it and I actually feel incredibly strongly about how stupid a rule it is because it puts lifters in needless danger.

Maybe if I write them a little note and tell them that squatting really really hurts my little, dainty wrists....wonder if that'd work

COH

gymfreak wrote: »

Maybe if I write them a little note and tell them that squatting really really hurts my little, dainty wrists....wonder if that'd work

I already tried that

gymfreak

COH wrote: »

I already tried that

Okay.... back to the original plan so...smile sweetly.....it's foolproof.

Thank God they only introduced that rule of day 2 of the Worlds...cos there may have been some girly tears had I to squat without them.


Oooooooooh, excellent! there's an idea...if smiliing doesnt work..go for the waterworks..im sure it'd work for you!!!

Hanley

Paudee wrote: »

For what it's worth, any 'bull**** and misinformation' i read was on the IDFPA forum, and posted by its president! That was what stopped a lot of people lifting last year.

100% this!!

Seriously tho, has either the IDFPA or WDFPF rulebook been updated for these changes? If I'm going to be critical, I want to at least make sure I'm being critical of the right things

Kev M

kevpants wrote: »

On a slightly related topic. Got my first pair of knee wraps yesterday. To all who told me they don't get carry over from them and they're just for support I'd like to say...

You lying, cheating backstards!

280 should be there so

Da Za

On the topic of knee wraps.

Hanley, would you wrap your knees differently when lifting raw compared to equipped?

Would I be correct in saying you want a rebound effect when raw and stopping power when equipped (and rebound as well)?

Da Za

For Skull or Squatman, I know there is no IPF affiliates in Ireland but could you say lift in the ipf abroad and still keep your membership in the idfpa? Considering the fact that the ipf is tested.

Would the idfpa ever break away from the wdfpa because of this rule and even try to become an affiliate of the ipf?

That may be a deciding factor in getting Hanley out of retirement!

Hanley

Da Za wrote: »

On the topic of knee wraps.

Hanley, would you wrap your knees differently when lifting raw compared to equipped?

Would I be correct in saying you want a rebound effect when raw and stopping power when equipped (and rebound as well)?

No.

I liked my gear tight anyway. It was plenty capable of stopping me!!

Da Za wrote: »

For Skull or Squatman, I know there is no IPF affiliates in Ireland but could you say lift in the ipf abroad and still keep your membership in the idfpa? Considering the fact that the ipf is tested.

Would the idfpa ever break away from the wdfpa because of this rule and even try to become an affiliate of the ipf?

That may be a deciding factor in getting Hanley out of retirement!

Dude really?! That ship sailed a good 2 years ago!! Beside I heard some stories about Irish IPF affiliation and how it's probs not ummm... Financially viable. Unsure how true that is.

COH

Da Za wrote: »

Would I be correct in saying you want a rebound effect when raw and stopping power when equipped (and rebound as well)?

Assuming you're going to crank them either way the material of the wrap as opposed to the way its wrapped will probably be the deciding factor in the stopping/rebound effect.

Da Za

Hanley wrote: »

No.

I liked my gear tight anyway. It was plenty capable of stopping me!!



Dude really?! That ship sailed a good 2 years ago!! Beside I heard some stories about Irish IPF affiliation and how it's probs not ummm... Financially viable. Unsure how true that is.

So you wrap them the same way?

I can always try, no? Lol

It would be good to see a ipf affiliate here though! May cause more dispersion though but I guess it would require a lot of members to float, financially.

Da Za

COH wrote: »

Assuming you're going to crank them either way the material of the wrap as opposed to the way its wrapped will probably be the deciding factor in the stopping/rebound effect.

Absolutely agree on this, with wrapping technique I know Ano (metal) would wrap his knees in such a way that he would ensure that the levels would be directly behind his knee, so it would be very thick in that area.

Paudee

Da Za wrote: »

I guess it would require a lot of members to float, financially.

Ya as opposed to floating, like a boat.

Da Za

Paudee wrote: »

Ya as opposed to floating, like a boat.

You've obviously never come across the term!

I'll sink you next time i see you!