Dual Mass Flywheel replacement cost???

Garvan

Hi all

I had my wife's 2007 Ford Galaxy 1.8 tdci checked by a Ford dealer today as I thought I felt a slight rumble when I started it up the other day (but not since).....and no it wasn't the rumble of the diesel engine....

Anyway they came back saying that the dmf is starting to go and will eventually need to be replaced....at a cost of €1400 :eek: :eek: :eek:

There's only 70,000 klms on it...less than 50k miles!!! Seems mad to me

Another else had this issue

Garvan

dr.fuzzenstein

Garvan wrote: »

Hi all

I had my wife's 2007 Ford Galaxy 1.8 tdci checked by a Ford dealer today as I thought I felt a slight rumble when I started it up the other day (but not since).....and no it wasn't the rumble of the diesel engine....

Anyway they came back saying that the dmf is starting to go and will eventually need to be replaced....at a cost of €1400 :eek: :eek: :eek:

There's only 70,000 klms on it...less than 50k miles!!! Seems mad to me

Another else had this issue

Garvan

There's your problem!
You can probably half that quote by going to a good Indy.

Jimbob 83

DMF's the reason i won't buy a modern Diesel

Garvan

Can anyone recommend a good independent Ford specialist in Dublin or close by?
I would want the work guaranteed or something like that. There's no point doing it on the cheap if it's gonna go again in a couple of years

G

Garvan

Jimbob 83 wrote: »

DMF's the reason i won't buy a modern Diesel

6.6l to the 100klms is the reason we did

bbsrs

Jimbob 83 wrote: »

DMF's the reason i won't buy a modern Diesel

there are kits to replace the dual mass flywheel with a conventional set up .

Garvan

bbsrs wrote: »

there are kits to replace the dual mass flywheel with a conventional set up .

I've seen those alright. There's a mixed opinion on changing the dmf for a smf. Some guys on the uk forums have had other issues after changing so I think I'm windy enough to stick with the dual mass. Hopefully it will last the next time....:(

G

Nissan doctor

What sort of use does the car get? If its all school runs etc then there is nothing unusual about the DMF failing early and maybe a solid conversion kit might suit better.

As said, a reputable indy would be cheaper.

john reilly

Garvan wrote: »

I've seen those alright. There's a mixed opinion on changing the dmf for a smf. Some guys on the uk forums have had other issues after changing so I think I'm windy enough to stick with the dual mass. Hopefully it will last the next time....:(

G

well its not going to last any longer than origiinal one

Garvan

Nissan doctor wrote: »

What sort of use does the car get? If its all school runs etc then there is nothing unusual about the DMF failing early and maybe a solid conversion kit might suit better.

As said, a reputable indy would be cheaper.

School runs alright....at least while we have owned it (about 6 months). But it is also used for longer trips down the country and to France?!?!?

You think a solid is a good bet? Some guys say other components wear out with increased vibes etc...

G

The Tyre Dude

Garvan wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good independent Ford specialist in Dublin or close by?
I would want the work guaranteed or something like that. There's no point doing it on the cheap if it's gonna go again in a couple of years

G

I've heard good things about Blackchurch motors.

Nissan doctor

Garvan wrote: »

School runs alright....at least while we have owned it (about 6 months). But it is also used for longer trips down the country and to France?!?!?

You think a solid is a good bet? Some guys say other components wear out with increased vibes etc...

G

Damage being caused is, in my experience, pub talk. There can sometimes be more vibrations, how much differs from car to car.

The school runs/stop start driving are very bad for DMF's and once up to speed on the long drives to France or where ever you won't feel the difference between the DMF and SMF.

Not to mention the DPF too. Modern diesels really aren't suited to this sort of driving unfortunately.

Plug

Them 1.8's are a whore for dual mass flywheels. Earliest I ever seen one fail was at 66000km. Bare in mind it was used to collect disabled kids to and from home etc so lots of stopping starting and acceleration.

Thats a rip of a price, go to a cheaper indy or a specialist.

Ricardo G

I would say go for the solid conversion kit, i work in an autofactors and we supply Valeo, luk clutch kits for 99% of modern fords and have found mechanics are very happy to use them. You WILL get a lot more mileage from the solid. We have never heard of any issues regarding conversions

Damien360

My old work mondeo 1.8TDCI had that problem and it was sent to Hillside garages in Tallaght (industrial estate behind woodies).

Lenny in there knows the Fords pretty well and I trust him. A few guys in work bring there own cars there also (not just work car) which I always find is a good measure if the service he gives. Cannot remember price but he is always willing to bargain.

http://hillsidegarage.ie/

Aln_S

Yep, can tell you all about it. my 08 Golf GT is going in for clutch and flywheel tomorrow.

I was quoted £1200 stg by Agnews in Belfast (main VW stealer).
Getting it done for £780 in an Indy garage. Its 5.5 hours labour plus £150 for the clutch pack. Think the flywheel is about £450 on it's own.

Serious amount of cash to fork out!

E30i

I've used Blackchurch Motors for this job on a Mondeo and went with a Solid Flywheel. 25k miles and a year later and all good.

I'd have no hesitation in recommending them and have no connection other than as a customer.

Garvan

E30i wrote: »

I've used Blackchurch Motors for this job on a Mondeo and went with a Solid Flywheel. 25k miles and a year later and all good.

I'd have no hesitation in recommending them and have no connection other than as a customer.

If u don't mind telling, what was the cost? PM me if u prefer?

Regards

Garvan

E30i

I think it was around €800 but I was getting injectors reconditioned at the same time so I'm working from memory on the split. If you ring John I'd say he will quote you over the phone for the standard job anyway.

Garvan

Great. Thanks for that

G

wishmaster200

a friend of mine has the same problem with his 08 Ford Galaxy 1.8 tdci bought it in the north for 14k +4300 to clear changed flywheel at a cost of 1200 witch also damaged starter now the steering is getting heavy which mechanic says steering rack is needed at a cost of around 800 euro and zero comeback from the seller in the north

mullingar

DMFs are designed to reduce the diesel vibrations and to improve mpg as there is less inertia weight to keep the engine rotating.

If you go down the SMF route, be prepared for a little more vibration on tick-over and a little worse fuel ecomomy. Other than that, SMF will outlive the engine:)

Ron Burgundy II

Does the conversion from a dmf to smf cause any problems to the gearbox etc.
If anyone is interested car mechanics magazine for jan (dated feb) has a good write up on dmfs. I will hopefully get a chance over the weekend to read the article.
http://www.carmechanicsmag.co.uk

Manuel

Just bumping this thread as I now have this problem with my '08 Galaxy LX (100 BHP) 5-speed.

Both Main Dealers I spoke to will only consider re-fitting a DMF, but the Indy I spoke to recommends the SMF as a cost-saving option.

Just wondering, as it's my missus' car, if I go with the SMF option, is it going to be noisy? I'd hate to think it'll turn out sounding like an old diesel Peugeot 405 that you'd hear rattling away before you saw it coming around a corner :-)

All opinions welcome.

Thanks!
/M.

creedp

Ricardo G wrote: »

I would say go for the solid conversion kit, i work in an autofactors and we supply Valeo, luk clutch kits for 99% of modern fords and have found mechanics are very happy to use them. You WILL get a lot more mileage from the solid. We have never heard of any issues regarding conversions

I thought I read somewhere (probably here) that the solid kits were reasonable for the 5 speeds but not an option for the 6 speed gearboxes. The 1.8TCDi is probably a 5 speed in any case

Edit: Sorry only copped the date of that quoted post now!

Manuel

Just reading back through this thread, I see someone said that the SMF would lead to reduced fuel economy. That would be a major factor for me too then. I'm getting about 35 mpg from my Galaxy at the moment, and that's on the open road. I'd hate to think that I would make it any worse!

George Dalton

The SMF is noisy in the 1.8tdci in both 5 speed and 6 speed gearboxes. If you don't want extra noise then don't go for a solid flywheel.

creedp

Manuel wrote: »

Just reading back through this thread, I see someone said that the SMF would lead to reduced fuel economy. That would be a major factor for me too then. I'm getting about 35 mpg from my Galaxy at the moment, and that's on the open road. I'd hate to think that I would make it any worse!

I'm gettng around 45mpg from a 2l S-Max with a mix of Motorway and city driving. 35mpg is not great I would have thought.

George Dalton

What mileage is on the Galaxy, just out of interest?

Manuel

85,000 miles.

Creedp, the dashboard always tells me ~42mpg, but any time I work it out, it's invariably around 35. But that's a whole other discussion ....

scealagam

We have the same problem on our 07 Galaxy, 85k. I've got quotes of between €900 & €1600 to get fixed. That's to replace clutch as well. Can anyone recommend decent reasonable place to get fixed!

George Dalton

You might want to include your approximate location so you don't get suggestions of places the opposite end of the country to where you are

scealagam

Of course, in Dublin. Thanks

Garvan

Blackchurch Motors out by Rathcoole were recommended to me.

John there is ex-Ford with something like 17 years experience and over the phone he sounded (to a novice like me) that he knew what he was on about.

Just by the by, I didn't go out because a second opinion from a Ford dealer (we were getting it inspected under warranty) said there wasn't an issue and there have been no problems since. Fingers crossed

G

Veloce

In general are the single mass fly kits a similar weight to the dual mass fly? If it's lighter the lightened fly could potentially take a bit of getting used to.

mullingar

Veloce wrote: »

In general are the single mass fly kits a similar weight to the dual mass fly? If it's lighter the lightened fly could potentially take a bit of getting used to.

I think you need to google it a bit more......

Veloce

mullingar wrote: »

I think you need to google it a bit more......

Why is that? Don't you know what I'm asking?

mullingar

You will not notice any weight difference in the driving. DMFs are lighter but the dual weight difference is for harmonic balancing of the crankshaft.

Veloce

mullingar wrote: »

You will not notice any weight difference in the driving. DMFs are lighter but the dual weight difference is for harmonic balancing of the crankshaft.

mullingar wrote: »

I think you need to google it a bit more......

I've gone from a dmf to a single lightened solid flywheel. Approx half the weight, improved engine responsiveness, engine braking. Downside is that is that little trickier to drive. I was wondering if smf kits can be got that will closely match the dmfs weight.

mullingar

Veloce wrote: »

I've gone from a dmf to a single lightened solid flywheel. Approx half the weight, improved engine responsiveness, engine braking. Downside is that is that little trickier to drive. I was wondering if smf kits can be got that will closely match the dmfs weight.

No.

I bet your engines idle is also a lot rougher too.

The whole idea of a dmf is to avoid an overweight smf. Its all down to harmonic balancing. Get the balance right with a dmf and the engine has a very smooth idle with a fast responsiveness. An overweight smf will by inertia keep the engine balanced at the expense of fuel economy and slow responsiveness.

A lightwight smf is madness, unless you are happy with a very rough idle. Just my 2cent

Veloce

mullingar wrote: »

No.

I bet your engines idle is also a lot rougher too.

The whole idea of a dmf is to avoid an overweight smf. Its all down to harmonic balancing. Get the balance right with a dmf and the engine has a very smooth idle with a fast responsiveness. An overweight smf will by inertia keep the engine balanced at the expense of fuel economy and slow responsiveness.

A lightwight smf is madness, unless you are happy with a very rough idle. Just my 2cent

Engine idle is not too bad in terms of roughness. It does sound like a cement mixer with the clutch disengaged! I do like the lightweight flywheel though, works well with the 3.5 V6 power delivery through the gears, especially 1-3.

belacqua_

Had the same problem in a 1.8 TDCI Focus, with about 65k miles on the clock. Got about 8000 miles out of it before it went completely. I was quoted £1200 by dealer for a new DMF, my local indy recommended a SMF and quoted me £600. Easy decision. I haven't noticed any difference in drive or fuel economy.

dr.fuzzenstein

belacqua_ wrote: »

Had the same problem in a 1.8 TDCI Focus, with about 65k miles on the clock. Got about 8000 miles out of it before it went completely. I was quoted £1200 by dealer for a new DMF, my local indy recommended a SMF and quoted me £600. Easy decision. I haven't noticed any difference in drive or fuel economy.

Well, it all depends on what year it is.
I have an 06 1.8 TDCI Cmax and it's going in for clutch and DMF replacement.
I was told there is no SMF kit available for my car yet, there is for earlier Fords.
Since I got nearly 250k km out of the current setup, I'm not too worried.
Quoted cost:
E850 at Indy vs E1500 at Ford.
Was also quoted one substantially lower price than the above, but since the entire job was quoted at less than what the material would have been at other places, I would tend to be skeptical. Since (I'm told) it will take two guys more than a day to do, I would think twice about putting in substandard parts.

creedp

Manuel wrote: »

85,000 miles.

Creedp, the dashboard always tells me ~42mpg, but any time I work it out, it's invariably around 35. But that's a whole other discussion ....

Sorry for delay in responding .. I had noticed my miles per fill reducing recently so brimmed the tank twice and drove for over 550 miles before brimming again and calc mpg at 42 and 39. I think my lower lower mpg more recently relates to a pretty hard driving commute attempting to make a creche before 6.30pm closing time! Not good for mpg or sanity!

myshirt

mullingar wrote: »

No.

I bet your engines idle is also a lot rougher too.

The whole idea of a dmf is to avoid an overweight smf. Its all down to harmonic balancing. Get the balance right with a dmf and the engine has a very smooth idle with a fast responsiveness. An overweight smf will by inertia keep the engine balanced at the expense of fuel economy and slow responsiveness.

A lightwight smf is madness, unless you are happy with a very rough idle. Just my 2cent

Veloce wrote: »

I've gone from a dmf to a single lightened solid flywheel. Approx half the weight, improved engine responsiveness, engine braking. Downside is that is that little trickier to drive. I was wondering if smf kits can be got that will closely match the dmfs weight.

Guys, now is not the time for dick measuring.

Op, how it all end up?

mullingar

myshirt wrote: »

Guys, now is not the time for dick measuring.

Op, how it all end up?

Very mature comment.

dr.fuzzenstein

Right, today I got the CMax back from Martin the mechanic (very capable guy, lives near Gort and if anyone has clutch problems, PM me and I send you his details)

Old cruddy bits:













I was told I definitely got all there was out of them, it was rattling, banging, shuddering and generally like a tractor. The car is transformed, smooth as silk and the clutch feels great. It cost E850 to fix and original Sachs parts where used.

George Dalton

Glad to hear you got sorted.

It is a massive difference when you swap out the old one isn't it? Really transforms the car.

dr.fuzzenstein

George Dalton wrote: »

Glad to hear you got sorted.

It is a massive difference when you swap out the old one isn't it? Really transforms the car.

From Massey Ferguson to Maserati.

Veloce

Glad it is sorted fuzzy. Cheers for posting the pictures as well. I will be getting the same done in the next week or two as well. I have all the rattles, clunks, clicks and bangs going so I am really looking forward to have a smooth car.