Jones V Evans

pauldoo

Official fight card

[edit]Main card
Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Jon Jones (c) vs. Rashad Evans [1]

Welterweight bout: Rory MacDonald vs. Che Mills[1]
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Ben Rothwell[1]
Bantamweight bout: Miguel Torres vs. Michael McDonald[1]
Featherweight bout: Mark Hominick vs. Eddie Yagin[1]
Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. John Alessio[1]

[edit]Preliminary card (FX)

Heavyweight bout: Travis Browne vs. Chad Griggs[1]
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs. Stephen Thompson[1]
Lightweight bout: John Makdessi vs. Anthony Njokuani[1]
Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Efrain Escudero[1]

[edit]Preliminary card (Facebook)

Welterweight bout: Keith Wisniewski vs. Chris Clements[1]
Featherweight bout: Marcus Brimage vs. Maximo Blanco[1]

pauldoo

the_doctor199

pauldoo wrote: »

You only need the letters after the = between the youtube, fixed below with another added.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNtXyPwRfCo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ9cBX3WZEU

Niall0

Not sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9An8YJ4fSAM

Indie.

Found the interview entertaining enough. Pity they cut the second half of the interview until next week

JoeyJJ

Not sure

This will defo be a stay up for event, can't wait. I will defo be supporting Evans however wouldn't but money on him to be honest. Jones is a dick, love the bit about Jackson history in the Anik interview, Jones had to change it up a bit.

Mr. Manager

Evans

I used to be a Jones fan but after dropping Machida on his face I've been looking for an excuse not to like him.

Following him on Twitter has certainly done that for me. I know he's religious and super religious at that but for fúck sake... quit posting shít.

"Christianity is one beggar sharing with another beggar where he found the bread"

Today was a blessed day....

Although the rabbits, Easter eggs and chocolates are fun, let's not forget the resurrection of Christ

STFU and post something worth reading!

On the Evans train now

JoeyJJ

Not sure

Yeah used to follow Jones on twitter for a few weeks, as a big Machida fan I wasn't too bothered about dropping him, thats MMA. I was more bothered Machica couldn't keep doing what he did in the first round

I like the section about the Blackzillians, the look like a decent team. Did I see Mitrione in the background?

pauldoo

yeah i seen mitrione in that too

Was never rashads biggest fan, but i don't like Jones at all. Evans is right to feel like he was treated badly by the looks of it.

Evan though Machida did great in round 1, 2 of the judges gave it to jones. I though machida had the best chance of beating jones. Evans might have a chance with speed and wrestling-should be interesting

Leeg17

Evans

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

On the Evans train now

When I first got into UFC (TUF w/ Evans and Rampage) I really disliked Evans and loved Rampage, oh how it's all changed

I quited liked Jones up to the Machida fight but after seeing him drop Machida like a sack of spuds, when he knew that he was out cold was bad enough.. but to only check if he was ok when the coaches in his corner told him to "for the fans" was ridiculous

weemcd

got to put a few quid on Rashad ko, really hope he takes Jones down a peg or two

The Clown Man

All this stuff about Jones dropping Machida is BS to me, and the fact that GJ told him to check on his welfare afterwards is taken with very little heed of the full context of what was happening at the time.

Jones was doing what any fighter would do if he doesn't feel a tap, keep going until he is stopped. He would have been holding enough of Machidas weight to actually lock the standing guillotine to hold him up anyway but the fact that he was against the fence meant he probably didn't know for sure he was out - maybe he had a feeling alright but he couldn't be sure. And when the ref stops the fight of course he is going to go off and celebrate straight away without a thought about anything else.

Consider the euphoria that was probably running riot in him after having the ref stop the fight with a guy who seemed to have his number in the first round and was in danger of catching him and upsetting his momentum. The sheer relief and delight would have had him seeing stars at that point. And of course he would have been thinking of nothing else but "thank **** I got the win there!"

Greg Jackson was simply snapping him out of that to go and check on Machida and rightly so - the comment about the fans wasn't needed and it wasn't Jones' comment - but at that stage and the euphoria he was in, he probably would have to be told to do everything. I can only imagine how overwhelming the feeling of winning that fight would have been.

All this nonsense about him only doing it for the fans is pure tripe. He just needed to be shaken out of his reverie. Simples.

I actually like Jones, he's cocky as hell but he has to be, every top level athlete has to be, it frequently sets them apart since the mental battle doesn't need to be fought leaving them only to focus on the physical one. Otherwise he is humble as he can be, cockiness considered, and all the God crap is just his upbringing. In the States these fanatical God people are everywhere.

Yeah, people like to hate and if you have this impression that he is only faking it from something GJ once said then his cocky but nice guy personality makes it easy to speculate on ways he could still be faking it. But he's just trying to put his best face on and represent himself well in the public eye. No harm in that at all and better than the approach Kos or Bisping takes IMO. At least he clearly does have respect, clearly at least if you can let yourself see the human perspective in the Machinda incident.

Also, I think Rashad has a very good chance of beating him but only if he can take him to the ground. I'd go Jones 60:40 Rashad.

Mr. Manager

Evans

The Clown Man wrote: »

He would have been holding enough of Machidas weight to actually lock the standing guillotine to hold him up anyway but the fact that he was against the fence meant he probably didn't know for sure he was out

In the post fight interview he himself stated "Yea, I knew he was out".

NFH

Kinda used to respect Jones but after seeing some promo stuff and esp this video I have come to the opinion he is a complete douche and would luv Evans to put a dent in friggin fairy ass vision board. I fear Jones will win though and probably with ease.

The Clown Man

Indie. wrote: »

Found the interview entertaining enough. Pity they cut the second half of the interview until next week

Oh yeah, and I just found this. Full interview!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4mw4xoRuVk

The Clown Man

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

In the post fight interview he himself stated "Yea, I knew he was out".

He may have said it in the post fight be he could not have known for sure at that angle. Or at least he couldn't have laid him down until he was stopped. When the ref stopped it he just lost himself in the moment. It's not like he was going to get hurt by slumping or anything of the sort.

Mr. Manager

Evans

The Clown Man wrote: »

He may have said it in the post fight be he could not have known for sure at that angle. Or at least he couldn't have laid him down until he was stopped. When the ref stopped it he just lost himself in the moment. It's not like he was going to get hurt by slumping or anything of the sort.

So now Jon Jones is a liar?

Also, it's not like he slumped from an sitting upright position. He had him in a standing guillotine and then dropped him on his face.

Class act :rolleyes:

Rob01

Evans

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

The Clown Man wrote: »

He may have said it in the post fight be he could not have known for sure at that angle. Or at least he couldn't have laid him down until he was stopped. When the ref stopped it he just lost himself in the moment. It's not like he was going to get hurt by slumping or anything of the sort.

So now Jon Jones is a liar?

Also, it's not like he slumped from an sitting upright position. He had him in a standing guillotine and then dropped him on his face.

Class act :rolleyes:

It's his job to knock people out not lay them gracefully on the floor & hold his hand on the way down. Hardly anywhere near as bad as Hendo landing an extra bomb on Bisbing after he k.o'd him or Rampage with 3 of them on Wanderlai???

But some people will probably say the Hendo one was nice because Bisping is this&that!

Mr. Manager

Evans

Different story if he knocks someone out. He knew he was out on his feet. I wouldn't expect him to knock him out then try and catch him on his way down. And the fact he had to be told to go check on him for the fans really made me lose a bit of respect for the guy...

I don't hate the guy or anything but I do think he has this holier than thou vibe off of him. Would like to see him get knocked off his little podium but can't really see it happening.

Rob01

Evans

What I meant was people landing additional strikes when there opponent is clearly knocked out is a lot worse than what he done IMO.

He definitly portrays the holy image a little 2 much but obviously has some good in him (the catching the thief in the park incident :-D)

But love him or hate he's here for a long time. Just as well I'm a big fan

Logical Fallacy

I don't really care about Jones' attitude, he is a young man currently considered an absolute killer at his weight class...he is going to develop some attitude.

While I feel a loss might balance his ship a little bit I personally don't want that lose to come at the hands of Evans...who is another incredibly cocky person.

This fight is going to be an ego clash, the best thing about it being both fighters will have to shut the **** up about each other after it.

Bliss.

threeball

Rob01 wrote: »

It's his job to knock people out not lay them gracefully on the floor & hold his hand on the way down. Hardly anywhere near as bad as Hendo landing an extra bomb on Bisbing after he k.o'd him or Rampage with 3 of them on Wanderlai???

But some people will probably say the Hendo one was nice because Bisping is this&that!

Both were scumbag acts as was jones'. Unfortunately too few fighters show the class and restraint that Stann showed the other night calling a halt to the fight even before the ref did.

El Guapo!

Evans

threeball wrote: »

Both were scumbag acts as was jones'. Unfortunately too few fighters show the class and restraint that Stann showed the other night calling a halt to the fight even before the ref did.

Stann is a class act all round. I was really impressed the way he stopped instantly when Sakara went out.

Mellor

Evans

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Different story if he knocks someone out. He knew he was out on his feet. I wouldn't expect him to knock him out then try and catch him on his way down. And the fact he had to be told to go check on him for the fans really made me lose a bit of respect for the guy...

I think people over reacted a little to the Machida drop because it was Jones. Granted, he could of been more graceful. When the ref stops it, he was supporting him by the neck, the minute he release pressure Machida is going to fall. Which made it look a lot worse.The "get some fans" was a terrible choice of words by Jackson. The ref, doctor, team etc are always with the fighter first. The other fighter doesn't tend to go over until the guy is up and aware - thats fine imo. Jackson made the fact that Jones wasn't over there look way worse.

threeball wrote: »

Both were scumbag acts as was jones'. Unfortunately too few fighters show the class and restraint that Stann showed the other night calling a halt to the fight even before the ref did.

It's not a restraint issue. Fighters don't keep hitting because they can't control themselves. It's because its not obver until its stopped. From a guard position, its normally stopped due to lack of defending rather than a clean KO. So thats subjective, they literally have to wait for the ref.
Stann hit him, and he went limp, he hit him once more (he had prob mentally thrown this before he was out) and stopped when he felt he was out.

Obviously Stann showed huge class by the way he sat back. But I think its a little disrespectful to question class and restraint of other fighters given that in most situations its not as clear as that.

Mr. Manager

Evans

Mellor wrote: »

I think people over reacted a little to the Machida drop because it was Jones. Granted, he could of been more graceful. When the ref stops it, he was supporting him by the neck, the minute he release pressure Machida is going to fall. Which made it look a lot worse.The "get some fans" was a terrible choice of words by Jackson. The ref, doctor, team etc are always with the fighter first. The other fighter doesn't tend to go over until the guy is up and aware - thats fine imo. Jackson made the fact that Jones wasn't over there look way worse.

I agree with the above bit about people hating cause it's Jon Jones. Rousimar Palhares has done it way worse and on more than one occasion yet he doesn't get half the grief that Jones does/did. Maybe if he ever gets to the fame and stardom level then people might start hating on him

Ush1

Not particularly high on either but I was abit suprised when Evans called him a "fake *ss white boy". Then lied about it, then got caught out and admitted it, then gave some mealy mouthed explanation of not being racist that calling Jon something he isn't is the point he was trying to make.

cowzerp

Evans

Neither are particularly likeable but it's an interesting fight-I dont think Jones will have it all his own way in this 1.

JoeyJJ

Not sure

6/1 in Vegas for Rashed, pitty paddy didn't offer that price, 7/2 is prob more realistic as much as that makes me sad. Might stick a couple of euro on a double that would me happy, Mills and Evans win is 19/1.

threeball

Mellor wrote: »

It's not a restraint issue. Fighters don't keep hitting because they can't control themselves. It's because its not obver until its stopped. From a guard position, its normally stopped due to lack of defending rather than a clean KO. So thats subjective, they literally have to wait for the ref.
Stann hit him, and he went limp, he hit him once more (he had prob mentally thrown this before he was out) and stopped when he felt he was out.

Obviously Stann showed huge class by the way he sat back. But I think its a little disrespectful to question class and restraint of other fighters given that in most situations its not as clear as that.

Its part off it. Theres times when a guy doesn't know their opponent is out but theres plenty that they would just know as soon as the punch lands. You see the same guys that back off 90% of the time and theres others who pile in to see how many times he can smash his head into the canvas before the ref gets to him. The hendo bisping fight is a prime example. Theres no way hendo didn't know he was done after that first punch and he definitely saw him fall like a felled tree into the canvas without as much as a flinch to save himself. Yet he decided the additional haymaker was warranted.

tvercetti

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

I agree with the above bit about people hating cause it's Jon Jones. Rousimar Palhares has done it way worse and on more than one occasion yet he doesn't get half the grief that Jones does/did. Maybe if he ever gets to the fame and stardom level then people might start hating on him

Were you not on here last time Palhares fought, alot of boardsies had a go at his past actions, lots of videos were uploaded and alot of grief was aimed at him.

Mr. Manager

Evans

tvercetti wrote: »

Were you not on here last time Palhares fought, alot of boardsies had a go at his past actions, lots of videos were uploaded and alot of grief was aimed at him.

I remember there being discussion on Palhares. At the time, IIRC, I wasn't even aware of his actions.

Mellor

Evans

JoeyJJ wrote: »

6/1 in Vegas for Rashed, pitty paddy didn't offer that price, 7/2 is prob more realistic as much as that makes me sad. Might stick a couple of euro on a double that would me happy, Mills and Evans win is 19/1.

Evans isn't 6/1 in vegas. He is 4/1

You probably ready that Jones is a 6 to 1 favourite, that's their way of saying 1/6. ie

Vegas line is
Jones $-600 (1/6)
Evans $+400 (4/1)

The odds here are actually slightly better than vegas.
Jones is 1/5 in most places, and 2/9 with some sites. I just got him at 1/4 on betfair.
Evans is the same 4/1 here.

threeball wrote: »

Its part off it. Theres times when a guy doesn't know their opponent is out but theres plenty that they would just know as soon as the punch lands. You see the same guys that back off 90% of the time and theres others who pile in to see how many times he can smash his head into the canvas before the ref gets to him. The hendo bisping fight is a prime example. Theres no way hendo didn't know he was done after that first punch and he definitely saw him fall like a felled tree into the canvas without as much as a flinch to save himself. Yet he decided the additional haymaker was warranted.

I'm aware it happens. And yes hendo is an example. But you made it sound like it happens in the majority of situations. Which is what I had the issue with.

cowzerp

Evans

Poll added

johnny_adidas

Evans

Primetime Part 2

pauldoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjC3xt1nYWE

Roar

Evans

http://www.ufc.com/media/ufc-145-pre-fight-pc

the presser in full. love the format they've gone with for it.

JoeyJJ

Not sure

Format not bad however with Anik already done his interviews this felt like overkill. Roll on Sat night.

Xlami

Real story of this fight is gonna be how Jones fights off of his back. I honestly think Rashad has the footwork to avoid the striking and the low base to get the takedown but I think Jones will be too strong and lanky for Rashad to make the most of the take downs. Unfortunately it looks like Jones will retain.

MrStuffins

Evans

Just watching the Primetime shows and...........

Anyone notice at the very end of Ep.1, Rashad has no beard but Jon Jones has MORE beard where Rashad normally has his?

I think we might have a Highlander situation on our hands!!

th3 lunatik

cant wait for this fight , rashad will be a handfull for jones , hoping rashad wins !!

JoeyJJ

Not sure

I'm sure Jones will attack from bottom position with elbows and go for triangles, wonder if he has be putting more time into BJJ for this camp?

Ush1

My picks are Jones, MacDonald, Schaub, Torres.

Patrick Quinn

Evans

Ush1 wrote: »

My picks are Jones, MacDonald, Schaub, Torres.

Jones will win this fight second round ko evans has the most take downs in light heavyweight division but jones takedown defents is quality an dnt forget jones base is wresling what he done since school cant wait for this an see bones jones hand raised and then who will be next for him maybe anderson silva steps up to 205 and have ago at him if he beats sonnen in the summer

Ush1

Patrick Quinn wrote: »

Jones will win this fight second round ko evans has the most take downs in light heavyweight division but jones takedown defents is quality an dnt forget jones base is wresling what he done since school cant wait for this an see bones jones hand raised and then who will be next for him maybe anderson silva steps up to 205 and have ago at him if he beats sonnen in the summer

Jones and Silva have both said they have no interest in ever fighting each other, annoyingly.

I reckon if Jones beats Rashad, then it's Hendo. After Hendo, it's up to heavyweight with him I'd say.

ConfusedLepton

Evans

I'd love to see a competitive fight, but I think the only real competition will be who can crawl for the longest at the start of round 1. I just can't see Rashad getting inside. Jones is too long and too smart and he'll have his fingers in Rashad's face pawing him away. I see a 2nd round TKO for Jones ...with every camera in the place clamoring to be the one to capture 'shad face 2.0

PauloConn

Evans

Can't wait for this card..... so excited
Are prelims on Facebook?

Xlami

UFC are gonna be very careful if they put him up to HW, probably get Gilbert Yvel or Chris Turshucker back in to let Jones test the waters.

El Guapo!

Evans

I really can't wait for this fight. There's been so much hype around it and hopefully it lives up to all that hype.
I've always liked Rashad and I'll be cheering for him in this one but if I'm being 100% honest, if I was to put money on it, I'd put it on Jones.
I just can't see Rashad being able to get near Jones in this fight. I think Jones will be too much for him and will ko him in the 2nd or 3rd round. I really hope I'm wrong though.
I go through phases of hating Jones and liking him again. When he first came on the scene I was a big fan. I knew he was something special from the minute I watched him fight and there's no denying he has incredible talent. But sometimes he seems to have this smugness about him. It's not an "in your face" pompous attitude but more of a subtle arrogance that's hard to put your finger on.
I've no problem with him being cocky because i think to be the champ you have to have a certain amount of cockiness to survive. But sometimes he comes across as self-righteous and with a "holier-than-thou" vibe about him. Then other times I actually like him again and think he's just a bit mis-understood and to be honest he has a lot on his plate with his meteoric rise to the top along with the added pressure of being the youngest ever champion. Plus the media, along with the UFC propoganda men, are billing him as the next Ali or the next Anderson Silva. And he has to try to live up to that.
I think some people go over the top when criticising him though. People will try to see bad in anything he does. That comes with the territory of being No.1. Haters gonna hate and all that. I don't blame him too much for dropping Machida. It was heat of the moment stuff and these things can happen. Fighters have done much worse in the past and not gotten half the backlash Jones has had. As for not checking on him afterwards....that was bad form but again I think people looked way too much into it and made more of a deal about it than it should've been. Should he have checked on him first without being told to? Yes of course. Was it a horrible lapse of judgement that lost him some fans? Yes. But I think he has been unnecessarily crucified for it.
I honestly think Jones needs to lose a fight. If he loses it might snap him out of it a little bit and stop his head from getting over-inflated which could be his undoing.
I'm no Jones fan by a long stretch but I think he needs to be cut some slack at the minute and just looked at for what he is......an incredible new talent in mma who has the potential to be a worldwide superstar and bring mma to the forefront of world sports.





Edit; Didn't mean for that to turn into such a rant! :pac:

califano

Evans

A glove tap at the start will ruin it after this build up!.

El Guapo!

Evans

rounders123 wrote: »

A glove tap at the start will ruin it after this build up!.

There won't be any.
Jones will probably come out on all fours again.

Leeg17

Evans

Edit: 31:16 onwards for the Jones/Evans weigh-in