1916 Easter Rising Parade this Sunday in Dublin

Maoltuile

Usual 12 noon start and itinerary:

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Taoiseach_and_Government/History_of_Government/1916_Commemorations/Easter_Sunday_Ceremony_at_the_General_Post_Office,_Dublin_and_Parade.html

I am reliably informed that the Cadets will be showing us the new arms drill, as well.

Maoltuile

Maoltuile wrote: »

Usual 12 noon start and itinerary:

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Taoiseach_and_Government/History_of_Government/1916_Commemorations/Easter_Sunday_Ceremony_at_the_General_Post_Office,_Dublin_and_Parade.html

Mar a bhí - Army band starts at about 10.45 am start tomorrow outside the GPO. Parade starts at 11.30am. All wrapped up and ended by 1pm.

The cadet (new) arms drill looks the business, for those interested in such things.

Cardinal Richelieu

Maoltuile wrote: »

Mar a bhí - Army band starts at about 10.45 am start tomorrow outside the GPO. Parade starts at 11.30am. All wrapped up and ended by 1pm.

The cadet (new) arms drill looks the business, for those interested in such things.

Is this on TV?

Turbine

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Is this on TV?

No it never is. RTÉ just show 3 hours of mass instead, and that's on top of of showing Easter mass for an hour and a half tonight.

Just goes to show how much of a backward country we still are that our national broadcaster would rather show nearly 5 hours of mass coverage than show our DF commemorate the men who sacrificed their lives for the republic we live in today.

Maoltuile

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Is this on TV?

Not that I know of, sorry. Possibly video will be put up on one of the DF social media sites.

Local-womanizer

I'd say you are giving out to the wrong person about too much mass Turbine! :P

And who doesn't love a good mass?

00MARTZ00

ah jaysus i thought it was on tv was looking forward to watching this

bwatson

I'd also be interested in seeing a recording of this.

As a humble Northerner, ignorant to the workings of the ceremony itself, would it be likened more to a trooping the colour type event or a remembrance service event?

ChunkyLover_53

Its on RTE News website.

Parade Footage

Fuinseog

went along. It was good. I notice some soldiers now use the bayonet with the steyr. its available to buy for a hundred euro.the new drill seems to be the same as in British army, though only the cadets used it while the others used the old one.

what is the unit that wears green peaked caps with black visors?

Maoltuile

Fuinseog wrote: »

what is the unit that wears green peaked caps with black visors?

You mean the PDF?

Anyway, new drill becomes 'official' this summer (coming to a barracks near you).

So much for republicanism. A paltry turn out to commemorate such an important event for the country. Nearly every other country would have mass support for this type of event. BTW it should not matter if it is 96 or 100 years as it is the event that matters.

Fuinseog

Maoltuile wrote: »

You mean the PDF?

Anyway, new drill becomes 'official' this summer (coming to a barracks near you).

I presume they are PDF.
cadets have their own hat, the RDF a green beret, the PDF a black beret while officers wear a green peaked hat, leaving a formation with green hats and black peaks?

any reason for the change in drill?

goldie fish

Fuinseog wrote: »

went along. It was good. I notice some soldiers now use the bayonet with the steyr. its available to buy for a hundred euro.the new drill seems to be the same as in British army, though only the cadets used it while the others used the old one.

what is the unit that wears green peaked caps with black visors?

New drill is NOTHING like the british army. Because we are not part of a monarchy.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

So much for republicanism. A paltry turn out to commemorate such an important event for the country. Nearly every other country would have mass support for this type of event. BTW it should not matter if it is 96 or 100 years as it is the event that matters.

You've had nearly every government the we've elected in this country for the last three decades play down 1916 commemoration, what else do you expect?

goldie fish

Bambi wrote: »

You've had nearly every government the we've elected in this country for the last three decades play down 1916 commemoration, what else do you expect?

You must not have been born, or slept through, 2006.

Dyr

goldie fish wrote: »

You must not have been born, or slept through, 2006.

You've had nearly every government the we've elected in this country

detail is important

Maoltuile

Fuinseog wrote: »

I presume they are PDF.
cadets have their own hat, the RDF a green beret, the PDF a black beret while officers wear a green peaked hat, leaving a formation with green hats and black peaks?

RDF (PA's aside) will get peakers sometime in the distant future (usually this occurs just before the PDF change to something else and need to run down stocks).

any reason for the change in drill?

The old one looks ****e? I've heard stories about new Steyr scopes interfering with slings.

Morlar

I was at this as well and took some great pictures of the backs of peoples heads and so on, they are here if anyone would like to check them out ;

http://www.war-talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=238

(If anyone in the defence forces & is in any of these pictures & wants higher resolution copies let me know).

Maoltuile

Morlar wrote: »

I was at this as well and took some great pictures of the backs of peoples heads and so on, they are here if anyone would like to check them out

Thanks for that. The DF Flickr feed and the next An Cosantóir should have more.

Maoltuile

goldie fish wrote: »

New drill is NOTHING like the british army. Because we are not part of a monarchy.

WTF? Over.

goldie fish

Bambi wrote: »

detail is important

But the government that were in during 2006 were there for about 15 years,without a break and were elected 3 times. Thats Most governments in a 20 year period.

goldie fish

Maoltuile wrote: »

WTF? Over.

The new drill is a slight variation on the drill that the Irish Defence forces have been using since the foundation of the state, as a republic. Orders are given in Irish(unlike the British army) and the most important aspect, the present arms, includes a downward facing palm, which is only found in the armies of non monarchies. Monarchies(such as the british army) present arms without a downward facing palm. You are offering your rifle to your king/queen/better, not saluting them while carrying it as an equal.
All the other moves, Clinigh(slope), Iompaigh(carry), asiompaigh(reverse), are all based on well practiced moves that were seen on the FN and 303 of the Defence forces of Ireland since its inception. I am presuming there is also an aistrigh(change). The ost welcome order you will hear when on parade.

Fuinseog

Maoltuile wrote: »

RDF (PA's aside) will get peakers sometime in the distant future (usually this occurs just before the PDF change to something else and need to run down stocks).



The old one looks ****e? I've heard stories about new Steyr scopes interfering with slings.

i could be wrong but the old drill is modelled on the french one.

security was tight, but they only seemed to be checking bags. I forgot I had a pocket knife on me, but they never checked.

Fuinseog

goldie fish wrote: »

The new drill is a slight variation on the drill that the Irish Defence forces have been using since the foundation of the state, as a republic. Orders are given in Irish(unlike the British army) and the most important aspect, the present arms, includes a downward facing palm, which is only found in the armies of non monarchies. Monarchies(such as the british army) present arms without a downward facing palm. You are offering your rifle to your king/queen/better, not saluting them while carrying it as an equal.
All the other moves, Clinigh(slope), Iompaigh(carry), asiompaigh(reverse), are all based on well practiced moves that were seen on the FN and 303 of the Defence forces of Ireland since its inception. I am presuming there is also an aistrigh(change). The ost welcome order you will hear when on parade.

not all orders are given in Irish,they were yesterday but from past personal experience some orders are as Gaeilge and others in English, when doing the about ur on the march for example we had to call out the time in english. its as if they cannot decide which language to use.

goldie fish

Fuinseog wrote: »

not all orders are given in Irish,they were yesterday but from past personal experience some orders are as Gaeilge and others in English, when doing the about ur on the march for example we had to call out the time in english. its as if they cannot decide which language to use.

Foot/arms drill Orders are only ever given in irish.
End Of.

Fuinseog

goldie fish wrote: »

Foot/arms drill Orders are only ever given in irish.
End Of.

you seem very sure.

Local-womanizer

Fuinseog wrote: »

not all orders are given in Irish,they were yesterday but from past personal experience some orders are as Gaeilge and others in English, when doing the about ur on the march for example we had to call out the time in english. its as if they cannot decide which language to use.

Calling out the time in the turn is only done in training so the troops work together. The command to call out the time is given in Irish.

I have never given or heard of an order given in English. When I did the NCO in question was pulled up on it.

galwaycyclist

Fuinseog wrote: »

you seem very sure.

There are fashions in these things

To a certain extent it depends on the version of the "method of instruction" (aka the screed) your training NCO was given on their pots course. In training recruits -it would have been considered acceptable to use the English terms starting off and switch to the Irish once the troops get the hang of it. However this is only in recruit training once you have your stars up everything on the square is supposed to be in Irish. Of course down the West it may occasionally be the other way around everything in Irish starting and introduce the English terms after

Maoltuile

goldie fish wrote: »

The new drill is a slight variation on the drill that the Irish Defence forces have been using since the foundation of the state, as a republic. Orders are given in Irish(unlike the British army)

This wasn't always so, however. And you will still hear the occasional use of English for some things.

All the other moves, Clinigh(slope), Iompaigh(carry), asiompaigh(reverse), are all based on well practiced moves that were seen on the FN and 303 of the Defence forces of Ireland since its inception. I am presuming there is also an aistrigh(change). The most welcome order you will hear when on parade.

Yes, I've noticed the similarities (being old enough to have had arms drill training on both).

Maoltuile

Flickr is now up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmagazine/sets/72157629775445137/

Morlar

Maoltuile wrote: »

Flickr is now up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmagazine/sets/72157629775445137/

Those are fantastic pictures.


I think it's unfortunate that on the day the closest the general public could get was pretty much this :



or this :



The organisers of this event placed VIP's in a long line facing the GPO standing literally about 40 feet infront of the public, forming a perfect blocking line preventing the public from any kind of meaningful view. Yes the VIP;s would have had a perfect day, standing infront of the GPO with a perfect view of all proceedings with no members of the great unwashed in sight. Then after that off to the reception inside the GPO for more of the same.

Yes there were screens but if you were to organise this event with the intention of preventing the public enjoyment you could scarcely have done a better job.

Compare it to 2006 commemoration, or to the footage of 1966 event where the designers then sought to engage the public as much as possible. This time the public were presented with the backs of rows of lines of VIP's which included politicians along with signatories descendants etc. I genuinely hope the designers of this event do a better, more meaningful and inclusive job in the years to come. If I didn't know better I'd think the organisers sought to discourage public attendance at this.

Maoltuile

Yes, I see very well what you mean. I thought the Padre's prayer was also more than a little... unusual in tone and content.

A certain Minister continuing to politicise his department, maybe.

Fuinseog

Maoltuile wrote: »

Yes, I see very well what you mean. I thought the Padre's prayer was also more than a little... unusual in tone and content.

A certain Minister continuing to politicise his department, maybe.

a question, why is the army chaplin referred to a 'padre' in the Irish army? I thought only the English both military and civilian refer to the Catholic clergy thus?

bwatson

Fuinseog wrote: »

a question, why is the army chaplin referred to a 'padre' in the Irish army? I thought only the English both military and civilian refer to the Catholic clergy thus?

There is no such thing as the English military.

To refer to the UK armed forces as solely English would be quite offensive to the Welsh, Scottish and Irish regiments who have made massive contributions over the years.

British

Tybalt

bwatson wrote: »

There is no such thing as the English military.

To refer to the UK armed forces as solely English would be quite offensive to the Welsh, Scottish and Irish regiments who have made massive contributions over the years.

British

Didn't really answer the question

bwatson

Tybalt wrote: »

Didn't really answer the question

So?

It was never my intention to answer the question asked by him. From the blunt, obtuse nature of your post I think you knew this.

In truth, I know relatively little about your military and am not actually in a position to give a definitive answer.

Still, I was able to offer a correction on a mistake I believe he deliberately made!

Tybalt

bwatson wrote: »

So?

It was never my intention to answer the question asked by him. From the blunt, obtuse nature of your post I think you knew this.

In truth, I know relatively little about your military and am not actually in a position to give a definitive answer.

Still, I was able to offer a correction on a mistake I believe he deliberately made!

I was actually just curious about chaplains in the Defence Forces being referred to as padre, as I didn't think it happened. I thought chaplains were just referred to by their title(Father, Monsignor, etc.).

Dogwatch

Tybalt wrote: »

I was actually just curious about chaplains in the Defence Forces being referred to as padre, as I didn't think it happened. I thought chaplains were just referred to by their title(Father, Monsignor, etc.).

It is not always obvious which religion the cleric belongs to, so the use of "padre" covers all eventualities. This is for UK military, dont know if same in PDF

Cardinal Richelieu

What are the plans for 2016? Will it be a large scale military parade showing off the military might of ROI?

Morlar

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

What are the plans for 2016? Will it be a large scale military parade showing off the military might of ROI?

It would be hard to commemorate a military uprising without involving the military but my opinion is that wouldn't stop some in the current Fine Gael Labour govt from trying to do just that (assuming they are still in power in 2016). The only bright side is that Sean Gallagher will not be at the helm (considering he wanted a new 'less militaristic' national anthem).

I hope it is promoted with some forethought, isn't hijacked by 'progressive' minority elements and actually engages with the public rather than keeps them literally completely out of sight for the entire proceedings.

Fuinseog

Dogwatch wrote: »

It is not always obvious which religion the cleric belongs to, so the use of "padre" covers all eventualities. This is for UK military, dont know if same in PDF

I have heard several Irish soldiers refer to the chaplin as 'padre' and sometimes feel the Irish army apes the British army too much. they need their own traditions. In Britain its usual in addressing Catholic priests. Originally it was to stress the foreigness of Roman Catholics. in this country the term seems to be only used by the Defence Forces.

neilled

Fuinseog wrote: »

I have heard several Irish soldiers refer to the chaplin as 'padre' and sometimes feel the Irish army apes the British army too much. they need their own traditions. In Britain its usual in addressing Catholic priests. Originally it was to stress the foreigness of Roman Catholics. in this country the term seems to be only used by the Defence Forces.

I don't think there's anything wrong with using the term. Its a bit more informal than referring to them as "Chaplin to the Forces" - it should be remembered that many of the NCO's who steered the free state army through its early days and ensured that some kind of discipline was maintained were former brits and inevitably some things stuck, including slang. Tom Barrys Squarebashing post kilmichael was also a very "Brit" stiff upper lip thing to do when you think about it. Lifting completely irrelevant brit terms such as "the rock apes" is a different kettle of fish.

I have heard several Irish soldiers refer to chaplins to the forces as "Druids" or "Devil Chasers" if thats any better !

Cardinal Richelieu

neilled wrote: »

I don't think there's anything wrong with using the term. Its a bit more informal than referring to them as "Chaplin to the Forces" - it should be remembered that many of the NCO's who steered the free state army through its early days and ensured that some kind of discipline was maintained were former brits and inevitably some things stuck, including slang. Tom Barrys Squarebashing post kilmichael was also a very "Brit" stiff upper lip thing to do when you think about it. Lifting completely irrelevant brit terms such as "the rock apes" is a different kettle of fish.

I have heard several Irish soldiers refer to chaplins to the forces as "Druids" or "Devil Chasers" if thats any better !

What religions do the Irish army chaplains represent? I seem to remember something recently about special allowances they get, seems an outdated role in the new secular Ireland.

tac foley

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

What religions do the Irish army chaplains represent? I seem to remember something recently about special allowances they get, seems an outdated role in the new secular Ireland.

Christianity seems top of the religious tree in Ireland, if I'm not mistaken. As an aside, when I was in the BA we called ALL religious representatives 'padre' even though my cousin Malcolm was a rabbi. One of the most likeable Christian padres I ever met was the former station padre at RAF Laarbruch, Fr Enda Naughten - a real character who made Father Jack look like a teetotaller. His lunchtime refreshment, as I recall, was a mere half-pint of Guiness, which was half-consumed, and refilled with the Holy Amber fliuid from the Mill of the Bush.

Or two...

tac

Maoltuile

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

What are the plans for 2016? Will it be a large scale military parade showing off the military might of ROI?

Excellent troll

Cardinal Richelieu

Maoltuile wrote: »

Excellent troll

Well sure we have more than infantry and a few motorcycles, why can't we have a full military parade like the french or other Europe nations?

goldie fish

Like we had in 2006?

Fuinseog

maybe RTE will show 'Insurrection' written by Hugh Leonard, a man who abhorred the men of violence.

I wonder will 16 Moore Street be restored by 2016 or will be be leveleld and replaced by a plaque?

BTW were the British army invited to the ceremony on Sunday? My vision of the proceedings was limited. it was almost as if the whole show was just for those on the stand.

Maoltuile

Fuinseog wrote: »

maybe RTE will show 'Insurrection' written by Hugh Leonard, a man who abhorred the men of violence.

I wonder will 16 Moore Street be restored by 2016 or will be be leveleld and replaced by a plaque?

BTW were the British army invited to the ceremony on Sunday? My vision of the proceedings was limited. it was almost as if the whole show was just for those on the stand.

There was certainly a North American military officer there, as he was wandering around before the parade started. Whether the British were invited is a very good question - I can't see why not.

Is the "Insurrection" you refer to the 1966 TV dramatisation by RTÉ?

neilled

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

What religions do the Irish army chaplains represent? I seem to remember something recently about special allowances they get, seems an outdated role in the new secular Ireland.

The chaplains are mainly RC, however there are COI chaplains as well. Chaplains and military forces go back millennia - telling troops that whatever god it is was on their side. Irish Chaplains in my experience aren't the belicose bible thumping individuals you sometimes encounter with other states (the yanks spring to mind), their approach is fairly "opt in if its your thing." I'm a fully signed up nonbeliever (most people take out the spiritual insurance and have whatever religion they were brought up in on their records,) however I'd say chaplain still have a place in military life.