Husky mauls child

Bullseye1

ducksmalone wrote: »

child mauled by Huskey,shoot immediately if not sooner.

This post is confusing as it appears that you are in favour of shooting dog before it even bites..."if not sooner".

ducksmalone

Bullseye1 wrote: »

This post is confusing as it appears that you are in favour of shooting dog before it even bites..."if not sooner".

if your reading it like that,then im not going to explain it to you. read it whatever way you would like,im not going to be involving myself in this nonsense.

Bullseye1

I agree I'll just stop reading your posts.

Cherry Blossom

ducksmalone wrote: »

Plantetx...... might be best if you didnt make comments or raise suspicions about laying fault at the family at such a sensitive time.:mad:if i remember correctly it was a family gathering at the house when the unprovoked attack occurred.

The dog was not provoked, no veterinary examination can now take place to establish if there was a medical cause, no behavioural assessment by a person actually qualified to do so can take place either because the dog is dead. The evidence has been destroyed. That dog was someone's property and that someone should be held fully responsible and accountable for that horrific attack on that poor child. To be perfectly honest I think that person should be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment of life, GBH, possession of a lethal weapon and banned from keeping animals of any description for life. Until this happens dog attacks are just going to keep on happening, someone needs to be taken to task. Any idiot is permitted to keep a dog in this country - that is where the problem lies.

You'll find most posters on this forum not so easy to bulldoze and bully your way through with your illogical posts and condescending tone, express your opinion on the topic and pick and choose what to reply to all you like, the rest of us will do the same.

ducksmalone

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

The dog was not provoked, no veterinary examination can now take place to establish if there was a medical cause, no behavioural assessment by a person actually qualified to do so can take place either because the dog is dead. The evidence has been destroyed. That dog was someone's property and that someone should be held fully responsible and accountable for that horrific attack on that poor child. To be perfectly honest I think that person should be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment of life, GBH, possession of a lethal weapon and banned from keeping animals of any description for life. Until this happens dog attacks are just going to keep on happening, someone needs to be taken to task. Any idiot is permitted to keep a dog in this country - that is where the problem lies.

You'll find most posters on this forum not so easy to bulldoze and bully your way through with your illogical posts and condescending tone, express your opinion on the topic and pick and choose what to reply to all you like, the rest of us will do the same.

your another one thats personalising this....... your out of order posting that comment!

how dare you accuse me of bulldozing and bullying my way on here. i can tell passions are very high with you and your baiting will be brushed off and ignored.An outrageous attack on me from someone who is moderating the forum. the only bullying on here has been from people supporting the huskey breed and trying and failing to silence me when all i have done is highlight what the huskey has done to a child who was with her family celebrating a family occasion.


your post: your suggesting that the Huskey was a "lethal weapon"? good god,isnt that the defence of the dog breed smashed into pieces?and to suggest that a family member be charged with GBH? if you truly believe this,if you do,phone ennis garda station rather than having a go at me on Boards.but you dont believe it and you wont phone them,so your post is kinda populist but a load of rubbish to me.

Steelgirl

As a mother and an owner of 5 malamutes, i feel for both the children involved and also for the dogs.

someone asked what malamutes were originally bred for? Well Malamutes were originally bred for hauling heavy freight over long distances in the arctic, they were also used by the inuits as child minders.

with having 5 malamutes, we see a varity of different personalities, same as you do in humans. some are shyer than others, some are couch potatoes and more will walk as far as you can and still run round the garden like they have never been out at all.

Owning this breed same as any other similar spitz or large dog breeds comes with responsibilities and requires effort, even when its pouring with rain on a dark winters morning you still have to get out of bed and walk the dogs, ( that means a minimum 5 mile walk) if you don't they get hyper and dig holes that can only be classed as craters. with dogs of this size training is essential as with out it that cute cuddly fluffy puppy can turn into a nightmare to walk or control.
Most house holds own a bike, most towns have parks where people can cycle, why not take your dog for a run while you cycle, this burns energy and tires the dog out, a tired dog is a happy dog no matter what breed it is.

Malamutes are well known for being pack animals and need to be either with other dogs or their people family or they get depressed.

Malamutes can never be classed as guard dogs as they are very driven by food and would be more likely to show any thieves the flat screen in exchange for a treat.

All of our dogs are socialized from a very early age, with children of all ages, when we lived in the UK 2 of ours were therapy dogs so have passed all number of tests and exams etc however even with all of this knowledge of how bomb proof my dogs are I would NEVER allow a child to be alone with them, i would be worried about what the child would do the the dog and then anything can happen :eek:

I have heard numerous stories as to how unpredictable malamutes are, malamutes are as predictable as any other dog is even a tiny bitty terrier, they just weigh 70 - 80 lbs.

My question is how many people buy dogs without knowing the breed and even if they have researched how many ask to see the parents before they take home that little bundle of joy? How many dog owners ask to see health tests, such as Hips, eyes, elbows ? How many of you buy from websites like done deal rather than go to a breeder who has spent years researching their dogs and what the family traits are that are likely to come through?

Breeders of our wonderful breed have a responsibility to only breed from malamutes with sound temperaments, but puppy buyers also have a responsibility to ensure they give the puppy they bring home every opportunity possible to be a well rounded dog.

malamutes are not on the restricted dogs list in ireland yet, how long will it take until they are ?

Zapperzy

ducksmalone wrote: »

your another one thats personalising this....... your out of order posting that comment!

how dare you accuse me of bulldozing and bullying my way on here. i can tell passions are very high with you and your baiting will be brushed off and ignored.An outrageous attack on me from someone who is moderating the forum. the only bullying on here has been from people supporting the huskey breed and trying and failing to silence me when all i have done is highlight what the huskey has done to a child who was with her family celebrating a family occasion.


your post: your suggesting that the Huskey was a "lethal weapon"? good god,isnt that the defence of the dog breed smashed into pieces?and to suggest that a family member be charged with GBH? if you truly believe this,if you do,phone ennis garda station rather than having a go at me on Boards.but you dont believe it and you wont phone them,so your post is kinda populist but a load of rubbish to me.

You seem to view this as a husky vs children debate? Where did anyone suggest this was such? You paint yourself as the only person here that has any compassion for the children, that we're the devils supporting the husky breed! You say that as if huskys are some sort of wild dangerous animal. They are a dog, they are canines, of the same species as Labradors and collies and poodles. No more genetically prone to attacking than any other breed. You clearly hate huskys yet you don't suggest what you think should happen them.

What is your answer to preventing further attacks on children or just humans in general?

I'm not attacking or bullying you, just genuinely interested as I have no doubt there are others who hold the same opinion as you, and I, unlike yourself so far, am capable of having an orderly debate in an adult manner.

And no I haven't heard the clarefm interview as I cannot get that station in my part of the country.

MrJoeSoap

ducksmalone wrote: »

supporting the huskey breed

ducksmalone wrote: »

child mauled by Huskey

ducksmalone wrote: »

the DOG being discussed here is the Huskey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ducksmalone wrote: »

by the now dead Huskey.

ducksmalone wrote: »

educate the masses on the Huskey

ducksmalone wrote: »

,the huskey lowered himself in an attack mode

*Husky

(Apologies mods but this has really wound me up)

MrJoeSoap

Steelgirl wrote: »

As a mother and an owner of 5 malamutes, i feel for both the children involved and also for the dogs.

someone asked what malamutes were originally bred for? Well Malamutes were originally bred for hauling heavy freight over long distances in the arctic, they were also used by the inuits as child minders.

with having 5 malamutes, we see a varity of different personalities, same as you do in humans. some are shyer than others, some are couch potatoes and more will walk as far as you can and still run round the garden like they have never been out at all.

Owning this breed same as any other similar spitz or large dog breeds comes with responsibilities and requires effort, even when its pouring with rain on a dark winters morning you still have to get out of bed and walk the dogs, ( that means a minimum 5 mile walk) if you don't they get hyper and dig holes that can only be classed as craters. with dogs of this size training is essential as with out it that cute cuddly fluffy puppy can turn into a nightmare to walk or control.
Most house holds own a bike, most towns have parks where people can cycle, why not take your dog for a run while you cycle, this burns energy and tires the dog out, a tired dog is a happy dog no matter what breed it is.

Malamutes are well known for being pack animals and need to be either with other dogs or their people family or they get depressed.

Malamutes can never be classed as guard dogs as they are very driven by food and would be more likely to show any thieves the flat screen in exchange for a treat.

All of our dogs are socialized from a very early age, with children of all ages, when we lived in the UK 2 of ours were therapy dogs so have passed all number of tests and exams etc however even with all of this knowledge of how bomb proof my dogs are I would NEVER allow a child to be alone with them, i would be worried about what the child would do the the dog and then anything can happen :eek:

I have heard numerous stories as to how unpredictable malamutes are, malamutes are as predictable as any other dog is even a tiny bitty terrier, they just weigh 70 - 80 lbs.

My question is how many people buy dogs without knowing the breed and even if they have researched how many ask to see the parents before they take home that little bundle of joy? How many dog owners ask to see health tests, such as Hips, eyes, elbows ? How many of you buy from websites like done deal rather than go to a breeder who has spent years researching their dogs and what the family traits are that are likely to come through?

Breeders of our wonderful breed have a responsibility to only breed from malamutes with sound temperaments, but puppy buyers also have a responsibility to ensure they give the puppy they bring home every opportunity possible to be a well rounded dog.

malamutes are not on the restricted dogs list in ireland yet, how long will it take until they are ?

A few more newspaper articles, by the sounds of things.

If anything, this thread has made me more determined to get a malamute or husky puppy. The lack of respect afforded to this beautiful and noble breed of dog in this country is chronic.

Great post btw.

Zapperzy

I really would just laugh and cringe at the stupidity if they were added to the RB list in light of these two attacks, both happened on private property, (and from what I remember of reading a few surveys most attacks do happen on private property), so it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference as it only applies on public property.

Cherry Blossom

ducksmalone wrote: »

your another one thats personalising this....... your out of order posting that comment!

ducksmalone wrote: »

how dare you accuse me of bulldozing and bullying my way on here. i can tell passions are very high with you and your baiting will be brushed off and ignored.An outrageous attack on me from someone who is moderating the forum. the only bullying on here has been from people supporting the huskey breed and trying and failing to silence me when all i have done is highlight what the huskey has done to a child who was with her family celebrating a family occasion.

Well someone's passions are certainly high, but it ain't mine

ducksmalone wrote: »

your post: your suggesting that the Huskey was a "lethal weapon"? good god,isnt that the defence of the dog breed smashed into pieces?

Every dog is no more and no less than what the person who owns it makes it, simples. It matters not if it's a Husky, chihuahua or anything inbetween

ducksmalone wrote: »

and to suggest that a family member be charged with GBH? if you truly believe this,if you do,phone ennis garda station rather than having a go at me on Boards.but you dont believe it and you wont phone them,so your post is kinda populist but a load of rubbish to me.

Bit pointless me doing that when the evidence has been destroyed no? There was me thinking you were concerned that people were not showing sympathy for the child. A toddler was seriously injured here - and your worry seems to be that the person responsible for these terrible injuries should not feel bad about it, wow, just . . . .wow!!!

Hooked

Great post Steelgirl!!!

Hellrazer

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit.Emotions are running high and some users are getting a bit upset with posts they dont agree with.Any more personal attacks from either side and I will close this thread

Discodog

Steelgirl wrote: »

malamutes are not on the restricted dogs list in ireland yet, how long will it take until they are ?

If Malamute owners & all the rest of us dog owners do nothing then any dog could become banned & not just restricted. Just because the UK is seeing sense & we appear to have an intelligent Minister, for once, doesn't mean that that we out of the woods. There is every possibility that, following a few more attacks, the government might over react. The ISPCA have referred to your breed as dangerous & people need to speak out. If we can't rely on the ISPCA to defend dogs then who can we rely on.

ducksmalone wrote: »

i was asked what type of dog i had earlier........ not saying,its not relevant

Actually it is highly relevant because you probably know that, whatever breed you name, we can find examples of them biting. It is also relevant because you keep focusing on the breed of this dog.

If, as you say, the owners took in this dog from someone else it opens up another can of worms because we & they, didn't know it's behavioural history & how it had been kept. You also keep going on about the timing of the remarks & that, right now, all we should have is sympathy. But this "attack" follows on from one a week previous & if nothing is questioned then nothing gets learned.

You have children. Would you consider that a two or three year old child is capable of an unprovoked attack ? Surely the child would of had a reason even if it was the wrong one. I & many experts believe that there is no such thing as an unprovoked attack by a dog. I could go into a lengthy explanation but I suspect that you wouldn't listen. I could also recommend some reading material but you would probably disregard it. A dog attack is always provoked & there are always warning signs.

It is wrong to make assumptions about the parents but it is equally wrong to make them about the dog. We can't question or assess the dog & we won't question the parents because it is insensitive. As I said before it is easier for everyone to ignore the cause & kill the dog. As the UK have finally realised the only way to prevent dog attacks is to focus on the owners.

In this case the dog was immediately destroyed because the owners requested it. That should never be allowed to happen because if & I am not suggesting that this is the case here, the dog has been ill trained or badly treated then the owner is responsible. It's a bit like destroying evidence.

Animal cruelty isn't just about physical pain. Just as with children dog owners have an obligation to raise their dogs to be good citizens. Compare the number of attacks to the number of dogs & you will see that these attacks are very rare so many owners are clearly doing something right.

Whenever a child is injured questions always get asked because there could be a unpleasant explanation. Take a child to A&E & the doctors will take a view as to how the injury was caused. In these two recent cases we will never know the cause. You can only prevent something if you know what causes it. If your children were injured in a car crash there would be sympathy but it wouldn't stop the Guards investigating whether you were to blame.

Irish dogs posted this .....

http://irishdogs.ie/news/2012/04/25/huskies-among-most-dangerous-dogs-study-shows.html

chris_ie

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish dogs posted this .....

http://irishdogs.ie/news/2012/04/25/huskies-among-most-dangerous-dogs-study-shows.html

Bit of a rubbish article really..... alot of people get Huskies for their looks and don't realise how much work is involved with them. They're not trained or socialised properly which is why these things happen.

Beautiful dogs, I had planned on getting one when we bought our house but after thinking about it and reading up about them we realised we wouldn't be able to put in the time required unfortunately so I'll make do with admiring them from afar.

A few years back I remember seeing one around the town, it was unique back then as not many people had them. Its crazy the number of people around here that have them now and could bet that very few actually look after them properly which leads to these unfortunate incidents.

And in the article, its a 'study' by a law firm? If it was some animal specialist it might have some credibility. You could raise a Jack Russel to be more vicious than a Husky if you wanted. Its all about the way the dog is raised, like kids in a way.

Again both children are home playing after the "mauling" ???

Hooked

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish dogs posted this .....

http://irishdogs.ie/news/2012/04/25/huskies-among-most-dangerous-dogs-study-shows.html

Yet again the FACTS have evaded this article. The Limerick attack was NOT a Siberian Husky. And all we have to go on for the recent attack is the press hysteria, a dog apparently given to the family by the previous occupants (I read this yesterday). Did this dog have papers? Was it indeed a Siberian Husky or a "lookalike/mix/cross"?

And before I'm bashed about being insensitive... I'm defending the BREED once again. And those capable of caring properly for the breed.

My comments, though perhaps too close in time to the poor childs incident this week are needed to level up the playing field. Husky owners have to speak out NOW while this is fresh in the press and peoples minds. I do apologies to any family members or the children attacked... My gripe is not with the incidents themselves. Or the parents.

My problem is with the FACTS, or rather lack thereof... in the press and online.

Both dogs are dead. Neither breed has been confirmed (as far as I'm aware) with IKC registered papers. The Limerick attack was apparently an Alaskan Malamute and the dog in Clare was reported to have been handed down to the family. With papers? Without? Was it indeed a Siberian Husky?

Will we ever know???

Zapperzy

Dre as in Dray wrote: »

Irish dogs posted this .....

http://irishdogs.ie/news/2012/04/25/huskies-among-most-dangerous-dogs-study-shows.html

On a website that I would have up to now considered to promote responsible ownership. Not sure why he posted it when he says down the bottom that he agrees with everyone's comments.

Unless I could read through the actual study can't really comment much on it. Somehow doubt the study takes into account circumstances surrounding attack, proper breed identification or the complete history of the dog.

Attacks will continue until we start asking why dogs attack. 'x' breed is naturally dangerous will not suffice, it's an easy cop out.

Bit like a car crash, mr X drives his Toyota into a child, he acts really apologetic so we have sympathy for him and immediately presume there's a fault with the car so we have the car taken away and crushed immediately to prevent further injury, then starts all the news stories about crashed toyotas so people avoid them as they must be faulty, mr X walks away scot free. Does that really happen?

ducksmalone

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

A few more newspaper articles, by the sounds of things.

If anything, this thread has made me more determined to get a malamute or husky puppy. The lack of respect afforded to this beautiful and noble breed of dog in this country is chronic.

Good man joe,you go out and get a HUSKY(hope that spelling keeps the grammar police happy)how determined do you have to be to get the dog? id imagine there are pounds up and down the country with Huskys, especially in light of the child attack last weekend.

Is that a good enough reason to get a husky? because you want to prove to everybody what a beautiful and noble breed the husky is?

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

There was me thinking you were concerned that people were not showing sympathy for the child. A toddler was seriously injured here - and your worry seems to be that the person responsible for these terrible injuries should not feel bad about it, wow, just . . . .wow!!!

I think anyone who is following this thread is probably laughing at what your trying to imply there,utterly ridiculous comment,an ill thought out comment,a comment which does your argument for the Husky no favours,actually the comment has nothing to do with the Husky,its just a pot shot at me.

speaking of,what is your view on how the Huskys reputation can be restored,if thats the right word to be using? or did it ever have a reputation?anyone

Discodog wrote: »

If Malamute owners & all the rest of us dog owners do nothing then any dog could become banned & not just restricted. Just because the UK is seeing sense & we appear to have an intelligent Minister, for once, doesn't mean that that we out of the woods. There is every possibility that, following a few more attacks, the government might over react. The ISPCA have referred to your breed as dangerous & people need to speak out. If we can't rely on the ISPCA to defend dogs then who can we rely on.
Actually it is highly relevant because you probably know that, whatever breed you name, we can find examples of them biting. It is also relevant because you keep focusing on the breed of this dog.

You have children. Would you consider that a two or three year old child is capable of an unprovoked attack ? Surely the child would of had a reason even if it was the wrong one. I & many experts believe that there is no such thing as an unprovoked attack by a dog. I could go into a lengthy explanation but I suspect that you wouldn't listen. I could also recommend some reading material but you would probably disregard it. A dog attack is always provoked & there are always warning signs.

where to start:(

I didnt mention my breed of dog as my dog is not a husky,and the dog im dicussing here is the husky as per title,its that simple. lets focus on the husky.
A 2 or 3 year child is capable of an attack? your use of the word attack leaves me astounded,i can say no more,im speechless.

You follow on saying,you and "many experts believe that there is no such thing as an unprovoked attack by a dog" who are these experts you speak of? credible experts? name them and let us judge there comments opinions.

As your prejudging me by suggesting i wont listening to your lenghty explanation,that says more about you than it does me.
Im all ears,the floor is yours.......

"a dog attack is always prevoked"

i guess if you say it enough of times then it can be made to be true,youve said it twice in a few short sentences


to end.......... what exactly are you proposing to do for the breed that has been under scrutiny here?

1 thing is to speak out openly with yer proposals rather than hide behind the walls of a hosted forum where nobody with a different view is heard.

DamagedTrax

I didnt mention my breed of dog as my dog is not a husky,and the dog im dicussing here is the husky as per title,its that simple. lets focus on the husky.

if you think that focusing on a certain breed of dog is acceptable then you have no place in this thread. any dog is capable of biting and damaging a child.

a stable dog (well socialised, excersised and loved) is not going to attack unprovoked. any case of 'unprovoked' attack is usually explained by something thats not obvious such as a medical/mental condition that hasnt been noticed.

and no, im not a husky owner.

DamagedTrax

DamagedTrax wrote: »

any case of 'unprovoked' attack is usually explained by something thats not obvious such as a medical/mental condition that hasnt been noticed.

What are the chances of them finding the source if they cannot tell what type of dog it is.Then Blabbing to the media their incorrect info which no doubt will cause cruelty to animals and dogs needing homes.

ducksmalone

Deleted User wrote: »

Again both children are home playing after the "mauling" ???

Sorry,what do you mean here? has the child in Clare been released from hospital?

DamagedTrax wrote: »

if you think that focusing on a certain breed of dog is acceptable then you have no place in this thread. any dog is capable of biting and damaging a child.

a stable dog (well socialised, excersised and loved) is not going to attack unprovoked. any case of 'unprovoked' attack is usually explained by something thats not obvious such as a medical/mental condition that hasnt been noticed.

and no, im not a husky owner.

I ll take the guidance of the people moderating the forum thanks
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77962033&postcount=25

DamagedTrax

sure, hide behind forum rules.

if you make stupid, incorrect statements then expect a backlash from people who know what they're talking about.

chris_ie

ducksmalone wrote: »

A 2 or 3 year child is capable of an attack? your use of the word attack leaves me astounded,i can say no more,im speechless.

First off I'm not saying the child attacked the dog in this case but just wanted to add that a child could do what a dog perceives to be an attack. A child hitting a dog could be seen as an attack to the dog.

I've also heard of cases where a dog, who was never aggressive, turned and snapped and someone who was petting them, on further investigation they found that the dog was in quite a bit of pain and when they repeatedly touched the area the dog snapped at them. So if a dog is in pain it cant just let its owner know. If a child was over pulling or hitting the dog and it was in pain the dog could be capable of 'turning'. Like I said, I'm not saying that's what happened in this case but it can easily happen and its not fair destroying the dog because it was in pain.

star-pants

ducksmalone wrote: »

I ll take the guidance of the people moderating the forum thanks
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77962033&postcount=25

ducksmalone - backseat moderation is against the forum rules.
Also the warning of mine that you quoted said 'a specific case of a child and a dog' - I didn't state Husky.
Do not reply to this post on thread.

ducksmalone

ducksmalone wrote: »

Sorry,what do you mean here? has the child in Clare been released from hospital?

Yes she is at home recovering.

http://www.herald.ie/news/second-child-hurt-after-pet-husky-savages-little-girl-3-3088811.html

this article doesn't use the word maul, so that's something.

star-pants

Posting a separate on-thread warning - I suggest people heed Hellrazers' previous warning.
Let's stick to the facts that are know about the cases and not speculate.
Also some posters need to calm down as aggressive posting and bossing about will result in further infractions being handed out. I would suggest that anyone getting frustrated with the thread, take a break from it.

ducksmalone

Deleted User wrote: »

Again both children are home playing after the "mauling" ???

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes she is at home recovering.

http://www.herald.ie/news/second-child-hurt-after-pet-husky-savages-little-girl-3-3088811.html

this article doesn't use the word maul, so that's something.

The article says the girl from clare is recovering at home,the name of the child is out there already,why the journalists said she was unnamed is puzzling.

It doesnt mention anything about a mauling? i dont understand what you mean by that,ive no doubt you read of the horrific injuries the wee girl received and if thats not a mauling....... well tis all the same.

ducksmalone

ducksmalone wrote: »

It doesnt mention anything about a mauling? i dont understand what you mean by that,ive no doubt you read of the horrific injuries the wee girl received and if thats not a mauling....... well tis all the same.

I have not heard of the horrific injuries. I have heard of scrapes mentioned in some of the articles. I have yet to read of any stitches needed or any injury's associated with a maul. Are there any ??