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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #2072
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Would you call an unoccupied house a household?

    If it's occupiable - sure.

    I note that this definition doesn't seem to have posed any problems for the anti-charge side either - when they cling on to the census figures that include the same unoccupied-but-habitable houses.


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    #2073
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    What with the impending dictatorship and so on? It's terrible isn't it?

    What?:confused:


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    #2074
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What?:confused:

    Just following your lead:
    Proper little dictatorship we're turning into now, aren't we?


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    #2075
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    If it's occupiable - sure.

    I note that this definition doesn't seem to have posed any problems for the anti-charge side either - when they cling on to the census figures that include the same unoccupied-but-habitable houses.

    Did you ever pay the queen of england the money you owe her?


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    #2076
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Did you ever pay the queen of england the money you owe her?

    I didn't owe the queen anything.


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    #2077
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Just wondering there alastair, did you pay your outstanding tax bill in the UK?
    Or are you still a tax dodger?


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    #2078
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    .


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    #2079
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Just wondering there alastair, did you pay your outstanding tax bill in the UK?
    Or are you still a tax dodger?

    I have no outstanding tax bill in the UK - as is the case with everyone else who refused to pay the poll tax.


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    #2080
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    alastair wrote: »
    Venn diagram time again?

    This property tax is levied only on households. A subset of property is the household. As far as I'm aware, the cat is not a subset of the dog genus.

    If there was a specific licence required for a poodle however, it would be both a poodle tax and a dog tax (the poodle being both a, eh, poodle, and a dog).

    its a property owner tax, a subset of households are property owners.
    dogs and cats are both mammals.
    3/10 must try harder(on the Venn).


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    #2081
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    I have no outstanding tax bill in the UK - as is the case with everyone else who refused to pay the poll tax.

    Ah, I see!


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    #2082
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    I didn't owe the queen anything.

    Can we clear this up once and for all please before we all go mad. What was your objection to the poll tax? Can you not see some similarities to that tax and this HHC?


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    #2083
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    its a property owner tax, a subset of households are property owners.
    dogs and cats are both mammals.
    3/10 must try harder.

    If your argument is that a 'mammal' tax couldn't be called a 'cat' tax, if it's only levied on cats, then you'd be wrong. You'd also be wrong if you believed that you could call a cat a dog, on the basis of their both being mammals. I think you're just confusing yourself further.

    And yes - property taxes are only levied on owners of property. Not exactly news.


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    #2084
    Deus Ex Machina
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭Deus Ex Machina


    This is a boring and pointless discussion, close thread please.


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    #2085
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    hondasam wrote: »
    Can we clear this up once and for all please before we all go mad. What was your objection to the poll tax? Can you not see some similarities to that tax and this HHC?

    Alastair thinks that it's ok to object to what is perceived as an unfair tax.

    Just not in Ireland!

    Hypocrite!


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    #2086
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    alastair wrote: »
    If your argument is that a 'mammal' tax couldn't be called a 'cat' tax, if it's only levied on cats, then you'd be wrong. You'd also be wrong if you believed that you could call a cat a dog, on the basis of their both being mammals. I think you're just confusing yourself further.

    And yes - property taxes are only levied on owners of property. Not exactly news.

    i wouldnt call you a chimpanzee, yet there is only a 4% difference to one in your DNA. (and mine:D)


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    #2087
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Deus Ex Machina wrote: »
    This is a boring and pointless discussion, close thread please.

    I'd almost agree with you but sure dv and alastair would have very lonely lives if they didn't have us to keep them company.

    It's a kind of 'care in the community' thread for them.

    We all have to do our bit, especially with all the cutbacks in the health service.


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    #2088
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    And yes - property taxes are only levied on owners of property. Not exactly news.

    thought we established that it is a household tax, not a property tax(until next year)


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    #2089
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    Can we clear this up once and for all please before we all go mad. What was your objection to the poll tax? Can you not see some similarities to that tax and this HHC?

    No. This tax (or the tiered system we'll soon be paying proper money into) equates more closely to the UK Council Charge - an equitable arrangement that people may not like paying, but are prepared to stand over. The Council Charge replaced the inequitable Poll Tax - where major flat charges applied to mansion owners and bedsit renters alike.


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    #2090
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    i wouldnt call you a chimpanzee, yet there is only a 4% difference to one in your DNA. (and mine:D)

    What % separates you from a weasel?


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    #2091
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    And yes - property taxes are only levied on owners of property. Not exactly news.

    thought we established that it is a household tax, not a property tax(until next year)

    Nope. It's a property tax.


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    #2092
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Alastair thinks that it's ok to object to what is perceived as an unfair tax.

    Just not in Ireland!

    Hypocrite!

    I'd object to an unfair tax here too. That's not the case with property taxation.


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    #2093
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    No. This tax (or the tiered system we'll soon be paying proper money into) equates more closely to the UK Council Charge - an equitable arrangement that people may not like paying, but are prepared to stand over. The Council Charge replaced the inequitable Poll Tax - where major flat charges applied to mansion owners and bedsit renters alike.

    Is that the same council tax/charge that everyone, including renters pay in the UK?


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    #2094
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    black francis wrote: »
    What % separates you from a weasel?


    did i insult you in some way francis? have i not been civil and listened to your argument even when i disagree? did i call you any name since this thread started?
    why so serious?





    (And i think its about 8% diff)


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    #2095
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    alastair wrote: »
    Nope. It's a property tax.


    they should have called it that then........


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    #2096
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    No. This tax (or the tiered system we'll soon be paying proper money into) equates more closely to the UK Council Charge - an equitable arrangement that people may not like paying, but are prepared to stand over. The Council Charge replaced the inequitable Poll Tax - where major flat charges applied to mansion owners and bedsit renters alike.

    I agree it was unfair at the time.
    We are paying a flat €100 charge now,same for every home owner regardless of small house or mansion. This is for the purpose of getting us to register.

    The problem is we do not know what it will be replaced with next year,we have to take their word for it which we know is not the smartest thing to do.
    The government is asking us to register and sign a contract for the future without us knowing what it is we are actually agreeing to. We cannot read the small print because they have not printed it yet.


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    #2097
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alastair wrote: »
    If it's occupiable - sure.

    An unoccupied house is not really a household.


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    #2098
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Alastair,answer my question there will ya? Post no. 2093


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    #2099
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Is that the same council tax/charge that everyone, including renters pay in the UK?

    People on low incomes get tax benefits to reduce their council tax. There are certain concessions.


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    #2100
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Alastair,answer my question there will ya? Post no. 2093

    Yes - in the main - not everyone is liable for council charges, and discounts apply to many, but yeah - the council charge is a rates system as opposed to a property tax - and renters generally pay them.

    I didn't claim they were one and the same, just that they were closer to each other than the poll tax would have been.


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    #2101
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Yes - in the main - not everyone is liable for council charges, and discounts apply to many, but yeah - the council charge is a rates system as opposed to a property tax - and renters generally pay them.

    I didn't claim they were one and the same, just that they were closer to each other than the poll tax would have been.

    So do you think we should have the same system here or not?


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