Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

tayto lover

kr7 wrote: »

Could be a grey area dv.

I'll ring my LA tomorrow to find out.

To be fair, because my home is listed, I do have a lot of extra expenditure that I wouldn't have in a 'normal' house.

Mine might be listed too :rolleyes:

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

Could be a grey area dv.

I'll ring my LA tomorrow to find out.

To be fair, because my home is listed, I do have a lot of extra expenditure that I wouldn't have in a 'normal' house.

I don't see anything gray in the legislation that might cover it - I just had a quick scan of the exemptions section. I think listed buildings were exempt from the NPPR - maybe that's what is being referred to.

darkhorse

dvpower wrote: »

I don't see that in the legislation. Do you have a link?

No, just remember reading it in the indo. several weeks ago.

Am Chile

bgrizzley wrote: »

'fraid not Am Chile, work is scarce and i have it tomorrow.

dont think i could go anywhere near the Dail anyway, politicians make me feel a bit sick...

Its unstandable some people with work on tomorrow won't make tomorrows protest- I have my shift swapped tomorrow for someone elses shift on sunday Instead-so Il make tomorrow march on the dail.

kr7

tayto lover wrote: »

Mine might be listed too :rolleyes:

Mine is tayto.

When I extended it it cost an absolute fortune to do because I couldn't use standard building materials, the roof on the extension cost around €8,000 more than standard because it had to be done to the conservation officers specs.
Windows too were well more expensive.

I'm not complaining about that so much, but if it's good for the goose......

darkhorse

Guys,

I have to go over to computers to warn them about something. Later.

bgrizzley

its a pity i cant go, i did want to show Phil something out of my septic tank..........

Am Chile

bgrizzley wrote: »

its a pity i cant go, i did want to show Phil something out of my septic tank..........

There will be other protests whenever they start taking people to court- one suggestion Il be making to people is a big picket/protest outside phil hogans house in kilkenny when people are being brought to court. and other tds that support the household tax pickets/protests outside their homes too.

alastair

darkhorse wrote: »

James Reilly's house is exempt as it is a listed building.

No it's not. It's exempt from the Non Principal Private Residence Charge, on account of being open to the public a few days as a historic building. It's still liable for HHC.

alastair

dvpower wrote: »

I don't see that in the legislation. Do you have a link?

He has it wrong. It's liable.

kr7

alastair wrote: »

He has it wrong. It's liable.

Source?

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

I'll have to check that out as I live in a listed building.

It'll be interesting to see if a mere mortal who lives in a listed building, a thatched cottage (and the expenses incurred in preserving that building because it is listed) is exempt from this charge/tax, or is it only the 'elite' who own listed buildings that are exempt.

I'll be on to my LA in the morning.

Listed buildings - cottages, mansions, or otherwise, regardless of whether they're owned by the 'elite' or 'mere mortals' aren't exempt.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Source?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/act/pub/0036/index.html

bgrizzley

alastair wrote: »

No it's not. It's exempt from the Non Principal Private Residence Charge, on account of being open to the public a few days as a historic building. It's still liable for HHC.

i wonder was he paying nppr on his other home in Rush then. he did clock up quite a bit of expenses going to work from Offaly.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/LIFE+OF+REILLY%3B+INVESTIGATES+HEALTH+MINISTER%27S+EUR1M+HOME.-a0288696677

kr7

alastair wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/act/pub/0036/index.html

What does a list of unfinished housing estates got to do with listed buildings?

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

What does a list of unfinished housing estates got to do with listed buildings?

Nothing - the link points to the act - but here's a full rundown of what's exempt:

• Residential properties that are part of the trading stock of a business and have not been sold or been the source of any income since construction,
• Residential property vested in a Minister of the Government or the Health Service Executive,
• Residential property vested in a housing authority, including property where households are purchasing their homes under the Shared Ownership Scheme and where the local authority still retains an ownership stake,
• Voluntary and co-operative housing,
• Residential property subject to commercial rates and wholly used as a dwelling,
• Residential property owned by certain charities or comprised in a discretionary trust, and
•
Residential property where a person has to leave their house due to long-term mental or physical infirmity (e.g. a person that has moved into a nursing home).

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

What does a list of unfinished housing estates got to do with listed buildings?

Listed buildings aren't mentioned in the legislation, so he is not exempt.

dvpower

Am Chile wrote: »

There will be other protests whenever they start taking people to court- one suggestion Il be making to people is a big picket/protest outside phil hogans house in kilkenny when people are being brought to court. and other tds that support the household tax pickets/protests outside their homes too.

Intimidate their families eh? Nice tactic.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

Listed buildings aren't mentioned in the legislation, so he is not exempt.

But he gets away without paying the NPPR on a mansion he gets tax breaks for maintaining?


Some country we live in.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

Intimidate their families eh? Nice tactic.

big phil has been intimidating/scaring families since he took office. Nice tactics there too.

Am Chile

dvpower wrote: »

Intimidate their families eh? Nice tactic.

When they send threatening letters out to people and bring people to court-they are Intimidating other peoples families-I don't see it as Intimidation I just see it as the campaign stepping up a stone- whenever people are brought to court.

alastair

Am Chile wrote: »

When they send threatening letters out to people and bring people to court-they are Intimidating other peoples families

Yeah - just like the TV licence ads and reminders are 'intimidating' families.

Pay your taxes - the scary 'intimidation' disappears.

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

big phil has been intimidating/scaring families since he took office. Nice tactics there too.

Am Chile wrote: »

When they send threatening letters out to people and bring people to court-they are Intimidating other peoples families-I don't see it as Intimidation I just see it as the campaign stepping up a stone- whenever people are brought to court.

So you think that intimidating the families of TDs is a valid tactic?

Am Chile

alastair wrote: »

Yeah - just like the TV licence ads and reminders are 'intimidating' families.

Pay your taxes - the scary 'intimidation' disappears.

Pay off debts belonging to other people you mean .

IT
MAY be shamed banker Michael Fingers Fingleton's greatest stroke...of a pen. The
former Irish Nationwide boss is helping to get an old pal out of a
€60million debt - and leave taxpayers with the bill instead. Fingers
lent the massive sum to his friend, auctioneer Louis Scully, for a 2005 property
gamble that went spectacularly wrong.

You might be happy to happy to pay off debts belonging to other people fingers pals/bondholders- and thats's your choice-but don't expect everyone else to pay off debts belonging to other people.

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/index.php?aid=12077

Am Chile

dvpower wrote: »

So you think that intimidating the families of TDs is a valid tactic?

Like I said I don't see it as Intimidation-like it or not-whenever people are brought to court-expect the anti household tax campaign to be stepped up-whether its a picket outside phil hogans home or other forms or protest-expect the campaign to be stepped up cuz it will.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

So you think that intimidating the families of TDs is a valid tactic?

Where did I say that?

dvpower

Am Chile wrote: »

Like I said I don't see it as Intimidation-like it or not-whenever people are brought to court-expect the anti household tax campaign to be stepped up-whether its a picket outside phil hogans home or other forms or protest-expect the campaign to be stepped up cuz it will.

You think it's intimidation to send an official letter out but not intimidation to stage protests outside the family homes of TDs? Sorry, but that just doesn't wash.

What possible reason could there be to choose to protest outside the family home rather that their constituency offices, except to get at them through their families. Its a disgraceful tactic that I hope the cahwt don't pursue.

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

Where did I say that?

I never said you did. You appear to support it, I'm asking if you do?

Am Chile

dvpower wrote: »

You think it's intimidation to send an official letter out but not intimidation to stage protests outside the family homes of TDs? Sorry, but that just doesn't wash.

What possible reason could there be to choose to protest outside the family home rather that their constituency offices, except to get at them through their families. Its a disgraceful tactic that I hope the cahwt don't pursue.

Do you not recall the last anti water charges campaign ? Im not sure if you do- but I know one time water supply for residents was cut off and the response was some pickets outside councilers homes who supported cutting off water supplies on people-other people have said it and Il say it also there's so much people can be pushed until they push back -start jailing people or cutting off peoples water supplies you can dammed sure people will start to push back-whether its a picket outside phil hogans home or other forms or protest-expect people to push back.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

I never said you did. You appear to support it, I'm asking if you do?

Probably not.

I'd rather confront the guy 1 to 1 and say my bit.

Not much chance of that, although I'm heading to a place near his in Portugal in October. I might see him there.;)