Should\Will Mancini be sacked after spending squillions and winning nowt this season?

plasmaguy

G.K. wrote: »

Yeah, like that demolition of Bayern Munich last game of the group stages...

Did they qualify from the group stages?

The richest club in the World, and they can't qualify from the CL group stages. Even Apoel have gotten to the quarters.

Occassional good games are useless in Europe if you aren't consistant.

G.K.

plasmaguy wrote: »

Did they qualify from the group stages?

The richest club in the World, and they can't qualify from the CL group stages. Even Apoel have gotten to the quarters.

Occassional good games are useless in Europe if you aren't consistant.

A) They were in a 'group of death'
They were inexperienced in Europe as a squad and a club. It seemed that they only began to click it the last game or so. With the right signings in the summer and the year's worth of experience, coupled with not being 4th seeded, they'll probably not end up having as such a hard time next season. City need 3 players minimum to have an outstanding XI all around. Get those and they'll be a real force.

Scuba Ste

Great thread

City are top of the Premier League if only for a few more hours. Of course we should sack our manager.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

plasmaguy wrote: »

Mancini is a good manager, but he's definitely not in the top rank of managers, and certainly not in the league of a Ferguson, Guardiola or Mourinho, any of which would be champions league winners or not far off it, with the same financial resources.

He was hopeless in Europe with Inter, and there are signs he's equally as clueless in Europe with Man City.

His handling of the Tevez affair was a total disaster. First he says he won't play for the club again, then says he might play if he apologizes. No-one can tell me that Tevez wouldn't have created or scored goals against the likes of Stoke.

Telling one of your best if not best player to clear off when he is needed most is just incredibly dumb.

Had Tevez stayed on, they probably would win the league but not now. For that alone he should be sacked.

I find it simply amazing that you're backing Dalglish, who is currently in 7th in the league and looks to have wasted the bulk of £100 million, yet you want rid of Mancini despite bringing City from 5th to a potential title win, and having made some good signings in the process. They also play the most attractive football in the league to boot. Fascinating.

leggit

G.K. wrote: »

Yeah, like that demolition of Bayern Munich last game of the group stages...

...... who had already qualified out of the group and couldn't have given less of a sh!t about City beating them.......

Hank Scorpio

plasmaguy wrote: »

Mancini is a good manager, but he's definitely not in the top rank of managers, and certainly not in the league of a Ferguson, Guardiola or Mourinho, any of which would be champions league winners or not far off it, with the same financial resources.

I could have won the CL with that Barcelona team, that's not to say I don't rate Guardiola, it would just be interesting to see how he does in another job.

I think Mancini is doing a good job, they've won every league home game this season. Next season if there away form improves they'll be very difficult to catch.

G.K.

nuxxx wrote: »

I could have won the CL with that Barcelona team, that's not to say I don't rate Guardiola, it would just be interesting to see how he does in another job.

I think Mancini is doing a good job, they've won every league home game this season. Next season if there away form improves they'll be very difficult to catch.

Nonsense.

Hank Scorpio

G.K. wrote: »

Nonsense.

I don't mean that literally, What I meant is its impossible to rate how good Guardiola is due to the incredible team that he has. It has a massive bulk of the Spanish team that won the World cup and Euros and I don't remember seeing Aragonés and Del Bosque being talked about much when they won those trophies. Mourinho has won major trophies in numerous countries and Fergie has built teams time and time again spanning over 25 years. Like I said before, I'm not saying I don't rate Guardiola, I'd just be interested in seeing how he would do managing a different side.

Warper

G.K. wrote: »

Yeah, like that demolition of Bayern Munich last game of the group stages...

Bayern had already assured themselves of top spot and rested players for that match as it was meaningless to them. A better reflection would be how City faired in Munich where they were totally outclassed and Mancini got his tactics all wrong.

Sgt Pepper 64

G.K. wrote: »

A) They were in a 'group of death'
They were inexperienced in Europe as a squad and a club. It seemed that they only began to click it the last game or so. With the right signings in the summer and the year's worth of experience, coupled with not being 4th seeded, they'll probably not end up having as such a hard time next season. City need 3 players minimum to have an outstanding XI all around. Get those and they'll be a real force.

mancini was terrible in the CL with Inter and its often cited as the main reason he was sacked

His first season in europe he reached the qtrs, 2nd season knocked out in the first round by Valencia, 3rd season, knocked out in the second round by Liverpool

Domestically he was fantastic - 3 consecutive titles, and a record 17 consecutive league games

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

nuxxx wrote: »

I could have won the CL with that Barcelona team,

Bullshít. Guardiola is a tacical genius, he alters how his teams plays every week. A huge amount of credit must go to him for making Barca as successful as they are now. You should have a read of this, it was posted in the Barca style thread by IncognitoMan, a very interesting read.

Hank Scorpio

THFC wrote: »

Bullshít. Guardiola is a tacical genius, he alters how his teams plays every week. A huge amount of credit must go to him for making Barca as successful as they are now. You should have a read of this, it was posted in the Barca style thread by IncognitoMan, a very interesting read.

Rijkaard won La ligas with Barca and the Champions league, now he manages Saudi Arabia. I already posted my reasoning for what I said in my previous post.

Warper

nuxxx wrote: »

I don't mean that literally, What I meant is its impossible to rate how good Guardiola is due to the incredible team that he has. It has a massive bulk of the Spanish team that won the World cup and Euros and I don't remember seeing Aragonés and Del Bosque being talked about much when they won those trophies. Mourinho has won major trophies in numerous countries and Fergie has built teams time and time again spanning over 25 years. Like I said before, I'm not saying I don't rate Guardiola, I'd just be interested in seeing how he would do managing a different side.

You rate a manager by success and there is no one as successful as Pep in the modern era. They are arguably the best side ever to play the game and play exquisite soccer that no one else can match. It is harder to win the CL now than any other trophy and Pep has won it twice in the past 3 seasons and are favs again this year. He has managed the team to near perfection and is irreplaceable to Barca. Plus the majority of the team have come through the academy. Look at the money Fergie spent in the summer trying to catch them and he is farther away than ever.

Sgt Pepper 64

nuxxx wrote: »

I don't mean that literally, What I meant is its impossible to rate how good Guardiola is due to the incredible team that he has. It has a massive bulk of the Spanish team that won the World cup and Euros and I don't remember seeing Aragonés and Del Bosque being talked about much when they won those trophies. Mourinho has won major trophies in numerous countries and Fergie has built teams time and time again spanning over 25 years. Like I said before, I'm not saying I don't rate Guardiola, I'd just be interested in seeing how he would do managing a different side.

Although I believe its true that a good team will get quite far by itself, my own team Chelsea have shown that it takes an equally good manager to truly get the best out of them and be consistant

RGDATA!

THFC wrote: »

Bullshít. Guardiola is a tacical genius, he alters how his teams plays every week. A huge amount of credit must go to him for making Barca as successful as they are now. You should have a read of this, it was posted in the Barca style thread by IncognitoMan, a very interesting read.

good read alright, thanks for posting here

wandatowell

I fcukin hate Mancini's bitch fist pump when City score.


Jesus man grow some balls send out a few haymakers ffs

Sgt Pepper 64

RGDATA! wrote: »

good read alright, thanks for posting here

Agreed it was a good read.
wonder if there is something similar on Liverpool, RM or Ajax.

Football is very cyclic though. I always thought Liverpool would never get beaten, domestically or in europe! Now Man U rule domestically, but that too will change eventually (probably!)

astrofool

Yes, I think he should.

We need to run a S.O.R. campaign for about 3 weeks, before the next greatest manager ever comes along.

Xavi6

THFC wrote: »

I find it simply amazing that you're backing Dalglish, who is currently in 7th in the league and looks to have wasted the bulk of £100 million, yet you want rid of Mancini despite bringing City from 5th to a potential title win, and having made some good signings in the process. They also play the most attractive football in the league to boot. Fascinating.

Think you're on his ignore list so quoting so it can be seen.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Xavi6 wrote: »

Think you're on his ignore list so quoting so it can be seen.

And you'll be following me onto it if you're not careful :pac:

eagle eye

Mancini is making a mess of things at the moment imo. With all the money he has spent there is no excuse for exiting the Champion's league at the group stage.

He had a falling out with his best player it seems, people blame Tevez fully but I'm not so sure thats fair and I'm not saying that Tevez was right not to come on but it should have been handled differently imo.

Aguero and Silva have had their roles changed in the team when they were doing exceptionally well before those changes. Why all the tinkering around?

If he wins the league he will get another year but I'd expect him to be sacked if he fails.

Yakult

I think he will be sacked if he doesn't win the league. Maybe if he still had the Champions league it would be a different story, but a poor showing ****ed that out the window. Either way, it will be interesting ending!

~Rebel~

Would be madness to sack him. Each season there have been very definite steps of progression.

1) Build a strong team.
2) Qualify for the Champions League.
3) Genuine League Challenge.

Really, that last step is all that can ever be asked of a team and a manager. That's whats in your own hands. You can break 100 points, and still be beaten to the league title by another team who are simply doing things outside your control.

They're in a position now where they can be expected to challenge year on year, with a strong squad of good young players, and the ability to attract players due to the potential of success rather than money.

Sure, on a macro level, things could have been even better with CL progression this year and maybe better cup runs, but the broad strokes of what needed to be achieved have been achieved.

amacachi

As an Arsenal fan I obviously hope he's sacked. :pac:

Xavi6

eagle eye wrote: »

Mancini is making a mess of things at the moment imo. With all the money he has spent there is no excuse for exiting the Champion's league at the group stage.

He had a falling out with his best player it seems, people blame Tevez fully but I'm not so sure thats fair and I'm not saying that Tevez was right not to come on but it should have been handled differently imo.

Aguero and Silva have had their roles changed in the team when they were doing exceptionally well before those changes. Why all the tinkering around?

If he wins the league he will get another year but I'd expect him to be sacked if he fails.

Please explain

dahat

Tevez being an AHOLE,outside Mancini's control......
Yaya Toure going to ANC,major loss..
Kompany's injuries/suspension,major loss to defence and proven to significantly weaken the team as a whole.

These 3 factors are imo the reason's City's form was lost,you cannot really lay blame on Mancini for those soley.
He will imo be given another year where he will have to deliver the tilte,3 years with his budget is a fair crack of the whip

Sgt Pepper 64

dahat wrote: »

Tevez being an AHOLE,outside Mancini's control......
Yaya Toure going to ANC,major loss..
Kompany's injuries/suspension,major loss to defence and proven to significantly weaken the team as a whole.

These 3 factors are imo the reason's City's form was lost,you cannot really lay blame on Mancini for those soley.
He will imo be given another year where he will have to deliver the tilte,3 years with his budget is a fair crack of the whip

Should have had better cover, especially in defense.
Too many similiar midfielders\strikers
So yes Mancinis "fault"

Xavi6

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Should have had better cover, especially in defense.
Too many similiar midfielders\strikers
So yes Mancinis "fault"

Humour me by listing the players that are similar to each other. I'll be looking for more than two players per category (as that's how many is ideal for each position) to justify that statement.

2ndcoming

plasmaguy wrote: »

His handling of the Tevez affair was a total disaster. First he says he won't play for the club again, then says he might play if he apologizes. No-one can tell me that Tevez wouldn't have created or scored goals against the likes of Stoke.

Have to say I find this notion shocking. Tevez is a fantastic footballer, but everyone knows off the pitch he ain't the brightest and Kia Joorabchian and the advisers he's had throughout his career have made more than a healthy living off him.

Tevez thought he was too big to drop and was probably being told the same by those around him and Mancini made a powerful, decisive move at the time in freezing him out and punishing him relatively severely.

The most important aspect of this at the time was that it showed a squad full of mercenaries with egos and assets the size of small African nations that he was the boss, what he said went and if you didn't like that you were gone. In my opinion this went a long way to solidifying the team and getting them top for such a long period, although it remains to be seen if enough testicular fortitude has been instilled for the final furlong.

Now the dust has settled, Tevez has returned at what might prove the perfect time 'like a new signing'. If Fergie had done all this people would be saying classic Fergie etc.

In terms of the OP's question, as many have said I think no manager who's made clear progress should be sacked, and Mancini has definitely made progress.

But if Mourinho does quit Madrid and City fail to win the league, I reckon Mancini would be SP Fav in Paddy Power's Sack Race for the chop.

So do I think he should? NO! Do I think he will? Not so sure...

plasmaguy

Mancini lost it in Munich before he started to take his anger out on Tevez. The old CL demons returned. He's been useless at the CL his whole managerial career. The Tevez episode was just a convienent way for him to distract everyone from his own abysmal European Failure.

It will be the same next year. Who will he use as a scapegoat next year?

It's not even clear Tevez was told to warm up, such was the confusion and lack of direction from Mancini. He jeoproized the success of Man City's season by suspending probably his most important player. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. This wouldn't happen at most other top level clubs.