Should\Will Mancini be sacked after spending squillions and winning nowt this season?

J. Marston · 26-03-2012 02:01PM

He was hired at the end of 2009, wasn't he? Since then he's won them their first trophy in decades (and ruined a fine banner at Old Trafford by doing so :mad:) plus got them into the Champions League and now they have a very good chance of winning the title.

He's doing fine so yes, he should be fired.

Warper · 26-03-2012 02:06PM

If he doesnt win the League, then i think he will be sacked. What has he done this season if he wins nothing - dumped out of CL and EL, first round FA Cup and semi of the Carling Cup. Granted he will finish second in the League but lets be honest it was a very average league this season which is highlighted by the fact that Utd are top with a below par Utd team.

Mancini has never done well in Europe as manager so I think it may be time for good ol Jose to come in. I wouldnt sack him unless i had a top-class replacement lined up preferably Mourinho as Pep has no chance of going to City. He will stay on at Barca or take a well-earned break. The job would suit Mourinho as well with bucketloads of cash to spend and an unreal salary.

Paul Tergat · 26-03-2012 02:10PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

yes - Northern English dialect word for nothing

You win "owt with nowt"

stovelid wrote: »

Thanks. I was lost there for a bit.

I think only Coronation Street script-writers use it these days.

Im from Bradford and use the word nowt all the time. Most people in Ireland understand it. And no, im not in Corrie :P

stovelid · 26-03-2012 02:21PM

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Im from Bradford and use the word nowt all the time. Most people in Ireland understand it. And no, im not in Corrie :P

That's Yorkshire,.

I've only ever heard really old people use it in Manchester.

Unearthly · 26-03-2012 02:49PM

If Mourinho is available and willing to join Man City then it would be the 100% correct decision to bin him if City end up trophyless.

Forget that Mancini is a good manager, nice guy, and made progress. Mourinho would make them as formidable as his previous sides, and guaranteed to pick up a few big trophies.

I sincerely hope Mourinho gets nowhere near that team.

Paul Tergat · 26-03-2012 02:56PM

stovelid wrote: »

That's Yorkshire,.

I've only ever heard really old people use it in Manchester.

I was about to say you need to visit Bradford then to experience that but I wouldnt wish that on anyone.

OT - would be daft to get rid of Mancini even if they dont win the title imo

Iago · 26-03-2012 02:59PM

MUSEIST wrote: »

Chelsea won the league in the second season of having a billionaire owner, man city have spenthuge on wages and transfers and have done so for three seasons now, still no premier league to show for it.

If city don't win the league this season and given the money they have to spend then its a monumental disaster for city and mancini will have failed big time. There is no other way of looking at that.

City are still favourites this year imo, and if they somehow don't win the league this year I wouldn't be backing against them next season by any means.

As to whether Mancini will be sacked, I think that'll depend on whether or not Mourinho makes himself available. Not sure who else they would give it to.

Warper · 26-03-2012 03:12PM

Iago wrote: »

City are still favourites this year imo, and if they somehow don't win the league this year I wouldn't be backing against them next season by any means.

As to whether Mancini will be sacked, I think that'll depend on whether or not Mourinho makes himself available. Not sure who else they would give it to.

I really dont know how you can make City favs. They have a tougher run-in than Utd and Utd will be 3 pts clear tonight. Even if they beat Utd, Utd will prob still accumulate more pts than City. I agree with you about next season though, they will be favs no matter who is in charge.

EdenHazard · 26-03-2012 03:13PM

I really hate the 'rational' posters on this forum.

'He obviously shouldn't be sacked'-
Runners up, knocked out at group stages no cup run in any of the minor cups, how much worse would he have to do for his position to even be discussed on an internet forum let alone real life?

P.S I don't think he's bad, like City seem sorta stable for a team whose bought so much players, but I think he's bought a few players that while good, there could be better options out there that City could afford. I don't like the midfield he's assembled at all, irrespective of how good they appear in 8/10 games, they fall short in the big matches and I don't think any of them are world class.

johnnyjb · 26-03-2012 03:14PM

Iago wrote: »

City are still favourites this year imo, and if they somehow don't win the league this year I wouldn't be backing against them next season by any means.

As to whether Mancini will be sacked, I think that'll depend on whether or not Mourinho makes himself available. Not sure who else they would give it to.

I'm not going on the attack here, but i don't think good form always translates to a new season.

Using that methodology Utd could come out all guns blazing next season too and make it even harder for City to win the league if they fail this year.

steelcityblues · 26-03-2012 03:23PM

I have no love for City, but trust a Chelsea fan to create a thread like this. :rolleyes:

Iago · 26-03-2012 03:31PM

Warper wrote: »

I really dont know how you can make City favs. They have a tougher run-in than Utd and Utd will be 3 pts clear tonight. Even if they beat Utd, Utd will prob still accumulate more pts than City. I agree with you about next season though, they will be favs no matter who is in charge.

Well United haven't won tonight yet, so as things stand City are top of the league. Even if United win tonight they are unlikely to win by 5 or more meaning City only have to win their remaining 8 games in order to win the league.

You can obviously say the same for United, but where City look like winning every game they play, the same can't be said of United. Huffed and puffed for most of the season and a handful of victories apart haven't looked particularly convincing while doing so.

City are suffering jitters and are really missing the Kompany/Lescott partnership at the back but they just look so much more impressive than United when they're on the ball. Still favourites for me as a result.

Iago · 26-03-2012 03:33PM

johnnyjb wrote: »

I'm not going on the attack here, but i don't think good form always translates to a new season.

Using that methodology Utd could come out all guns blazing next season too and make it even harder for City to win the league if they fail this year.

That's a fair point, where I'm coming from is that next season they'll have had another year to gel as a team, and the experience of either winning or coming close to winning the league.

This year they still had a large influx of new players which upset the shape of the side as they adapted to each other, I only see them buying one or two players during the summer to really tweak their first eleven.

You're right though, they could have a poor season but on the balance of things I think it's unlikely.

willmunny1990 · 26-03-2012 03:33PM

Iago wrote: »

City are still favourites this year imo, and if they somehow don't win the league this year I wouldn't be backing against them next season by any means.

As to whether Mancini will be sacked, I think that'll depend on whether or not Mourinho makes himself available. Not sure who else they would give it to.

never become a bookie. You'll bleed money.

willmunny1990 · 26-03-2012 03:40PM

Iago wrote: »

That's a fair point, where I'm coming from is that next season they'll have had another year to gel as a team, and the experience of either winning or coming close to winning the league.

This year they still had a large influx of new players which upset the shape of the side as they adapted to each other, I only see them buying one or two players during the summer to really tweak their first eleven.

You're right though, they could have a poor season but on the balance of things I think it's unlikely.

same with Man U aswell though? de gea, jones, cleverly, young and wellbecks first season, smalling, hernandez second season.

can only see them being stronger next year along with city.

but where City look like winning every game they play, the same can't be said of United. Huffed and puffed for most of the season and a handful of victories apart haven't looked particularly convincing while doing so.

City are suffering jitters and are really missing the Kompany/Lescott partnership at the back but they just look so much more impressive than United when they're on the ball.

at the etihad, your right, they have been fantastic. but Man U have looked far more impressive than them away from home. city have been ****e on the road and have scored very few goals since december, and worringly for them, don't look like scoring most of the time.

_blank_ · 26-03-2012 03:42PM

get rid imo

Xavi6 · 26-03-2012 03:45PM

Des wrote: »

get rid imo

Maintain Our Mancini

SilverFox261 · 26-03-2012 03:48PM

Iago wrote: »

Well United haven't won tonight yet, so as things stand City are top of the league. Even if United win tonight they are unlikely to win by 5 or more meaning City only have to win their remaining 8 games in order to win the league.

You can obviously say the same for United, but where City look like winning every game they play, the same can't be said of United. Huffed and puffed for most of the season and a handful of victories apart haven't looked particularly convincing while doing so.

City are suffering jitters and are really missing the Kompany/Lescott partnership at the back but they just look so much more impressive than United when they're on the ball. Still favourites for me as a result.

City look like winning every game they play at home, but their away form has been the source of their problems this season. They just don't travel well and they have a couple of tough away games (Arsenal and Norwich) from now to the end of the season where they have a real chance of dropping points given current form.

Uniteds fixtures leading up to the derby definity look more winnable in comparison to City, so I think it would be surprising if United weren't top of the table come the derby. Cities biggest challenge at the moment i believe is not letting a gap bigger than 3 points develop.

noodler · 26-03-2012 03:53PM

City's progress is pretty ****ing apparent.

CSF · 26-03-2012 04:30PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

This shouldn't even be a thread, not a hope of it.

Nonsense, perfectly legit question, especially when you consider there is a Wenger and Dalglish thread.

The man has spent a lot of money and been in charge long enough to win something this season, so why wouldnt questions be asked?
Especially as they have been ahead in the league most of the season

Because Mancini is doing a great job. Wenger wasn't at the time, and Dalglish has been awful. You don't just spend ****loads and win the league, well at least not all the time, but Mancini has city heading that way. They will continue to progress, especially in Europe.

cgpg5 · 26-03-2012 05:47PM

Should he? No imo give him another year
Will he? Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he got door

Mr Alan · 26-03-2012 06:08PM

No.

Anyone who says yes is a retard.

eugeneious · 26-03-2012 06:16PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

No.

Anyone who says yes is a retard.

:rolleyes:

There is no reason to be so offensive.

Who knows what the Sheik will do especially if Mourinho becomes available. It would be crazy to sack him imo but i wouldn't be surprised if he was especially as I said if Mou becomes available

Pepe LeFrits · 26-03-2012 06:19PM

gavredking wrote: »

Mourhino could be thrown stupid to take over but lets not forget hes already on €150,000 a week at Real Madrid.

He earns an awful lot more than that if the reports popping up recently are to be believed!

No, I don't think Mancini should be sacked. City have improved a lot.

opr · 26-03-2012 06:31PM

I would like to see the figures. Does anyone have figures on the current wage bill and how it compares to other clubs ? How much have they spent total since the new owners took over at the club, net spend of course ? :pac:

Opr

opr · 26-03-2012 06:39PM

Wait this can't be right surely ? :eek:

They've spent close to £440m net in the last four seasons. Holy moly!

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/transfer-fees-v-league-positions/premier-league-2007-2011.html

The wage bill was the highest in the league by a distance at £174m on the last set of accounts with surely the disparity only having risen since!

Opr

CSF · 26-03-2012 06:44PM

opr wrote: »

I would like to see the figures. Does anyone have figures on the current wage bill and how it compares to other clubs ? How much have they spent total since the new owners took over at the club, net spend of course ? :pac:

Opr

For me, the figures are irrelevant. Without the sugardaddys money, city can never aspire to match united, nor could chelsea. Sometimes I think people forget just how good united are over 38 games.

Part 1 achieved, city will match united over 38 games pretty much. I think they'll fall just short of surpassing them like most sides have during the 20 years of the premiership.

To go on and surpass them next year, more money will be required. This is the nature of a sugardaddy funded club. Look at how chelsea got on once abramovich decided the funds should be used more sparingly.

Mansour has to stick with Mancini and fund him accordingly. Anything else will probably result in city doing a chelsea.

Morzadec · 26-03-2012 06:57PM

Should he be sacked? I don't think so.

City have progressed further this year. No Premier League would be a failure but as a fan if you see signs of progression you're happy. As a Liverpool fan, if we had finished 5th this year and put up some fight for Champions League qualification it would have been a failure, but a sign of progression. In a situation in which you are moving forward I think it's not a good idea to sack the manager.

Will he be sacked? Maybe.

Like you said it's a failure not to win the League, especially combined with the failed Champions League campaign. If they lost out on the League and reached the semis of the CL or maybe won the FA Cup again then maybe not delivering the League would be more forgiveable, but to not have even made the knockouts must have very disappointing and certainly well below expectations. It's not unreasonable to expect instant success given the amounts invested and I would not be surprised to see him sacked if City don't deliver the title.

plasmaguy · 26-03-2012 07:01PM

Mancini is a good manager, but he's definitely not in the top rank of managers, and certainly not in the league of a Ferguson, Guardiola or Mourinho, any of which would be champions league winners or not far off it, with the same financial resources.

He was hopeless in Europe with Inter, and there are signs he's equally as clueless in Europe with Man City.

His handling of the Tevez affair was a total disaster. First he says he won't play for the club again, then says he might play if he apologizes. No-one can tell me that Tevez wouldn't have created or scored goals against the likes of Stoke.

Telling one of your best if not best player to clear off when he is needed most is just incredibly dumb.

Had Tevez stayed on, they probably would win the league but not now. For that alone he should be sacked.

G.K. · 26-03-2012 07:09PM

plasmaguy wrote: »

Mancini is a good manager, but he's definitely not in the top rank of managers, and certainly not in the league of a Ferguson, Guardiola or Mourinho, any of which would be champions league winners or not far off it, with the same financial resources.

He was hopeless in Europe with Inter, and there are signs he's equally as clueless in Europe with Man City.

His handling of the Tevez affair was a total disaster. First he says he won't play for the club again, then says he might play if he apologizes. No-one can tell me that Tevez wouldn't have created or scored goals against the likes of Stoke.

Telling one of your best if not best player to clear off when he is needed most is just incredibly dumb.

Had Tevez stayed on, they probably would win the league but not now. For that alone he should be sacked.

Yeah, like that demolition of Bayern Munich last game of the group stages...

Should\Will Mancini be sacked after spending squillions and winning nowt this season?

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