DIY RY4

Hunter Mahan

I'm ready to start mixing my own. Can someone point me in the right direction as to where's the best place to get supplies?

I mean should I try to get the VG from a chemist or Dr Oetko's in tesco's?

Should I buy the PG (no nicotine) from somewhere like this:
http://mistralie.co.uk/catalogue/product/316/MPG-Propylene-Glycol-Monopropylene-Glycol

I'd like to be able to get the RY4 flavour from the same place as I get the PG based nicotine (around 54mg) to save on shipping.

What's the best way to go? Or is there a one stop for all this stuff I should be looking at?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.inawera.com

i think most of us buy our bases from there

dont think they have an ry4 flavouring though, or a 54mg base

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77580521&postcount=209

or maybe this..

Bubba9

Cig-eliquid do a 50ml concentrate for 13.80 Euro. Tasted my first mix tonight and it's fine. Cloud 9 do 100ml for 30 sterling...expensive but their RY4 is supposed to be very good and Flavourart do 100ml for something around 20 Euro.

Hunter Mahan

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

http://www.inawera.com

i think most of us buy our bases from there

dont think they have an ry4 flavouring though, or a 54mg base

I checked them out alright but couldn't find the RY4 either. Anyone have any experience with these:
http://www.vapourzone.co.uk/E-liquid-mixing-supplies.html

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.toscanamall.com/en/eliquid-flavors/237-ruyan-4-ry4-flavor-for-e-liquids-flavour-art.html

they have flavourart ry4 for pretty cheap
something like 5 euro shipping for all orders under 2kg

Hunter Mahan

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

http://www.toscanamall.com/en/eliquid-flavors/237-ruyan-4-ry4-flavor-for-e-liquids-flavour-art.html

they have flavourart ry4 for pretty cheap
something like 5 euro shipping for all orders under 2kg

Thanks for that, but they only have the 36mg nic.

I'll continue my research.

stevenmu

Liberty flight have strong nic bases, RY4 and free shipping at the moment. Though their prices look a little high at first glance, but I haven't really compared them properly.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

ukvapers 10% off too

Hunter Mahan

Liberty seem a tad expensive

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.nicvape.com/

or http://www.cig-eliquid.co.uk/

maybe?

Hunter Mahan

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

http://www.nicvape.com/

or http://www.cig-eliquid.co.uk/

maybe?

They look good thanks, I'll let ye know how I get on.

derra

I got Flavourart RY4 from inaweraflavours.com before and i only threw out about 6ml from a 7ml bottle the other day. Tasted like black pepper, was rotten.
Was so bad i would'nt swap it or give it away to anyone.

grindle

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

ukvapers 10% off too

ECR69 = 15% off

mrplop

derra wrote: »

I got Flavourart RY4 from inaweraflavours.com before and i only threw out about 6ml from a 7ml bottle the other day. Tasted like black pepper, was rotten.
Was so bad i would'nt swap it or give it away to anyone.

Great.

Got some of that RY-4 on the way from Inawera...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://alba-vapours.co.uk/mixing-diy-flavours/mist-54-nicotine-mixing-liquid

derra

mrplop wrote: »

Great.

Got some of that RY-4 on the way from Inawera...

With the Flavourart RY4, it probably needs extra flavours to go with it and i was'nt going down that road. Was either nice as it is or not.

There is so many variations of the stuff i could just make a juice up, sell it as RY4. (Same could be said for any flavour i suppose, but there is a mad obsession regarding RY4 !)

If ya got it before somewhere and liked it, probably best to buy that juice i reckon.

Let us know anyway what ya think of it.

Gryzor

derra wrote: »

I got Flavourart RY4 from inaweraflavours.com before and i only threw out about 6ml from a 7ml bottle the other day. Tasted like black pepper, was rotten.
Was so bad i would'nt swap it or give it away to anyone.

What kind of concentration did you use derra, I find with alot of their flavours that anything more than 2 drops in 5ml of base is overpowering and a very chemically taste. Most of their flavours are incredibly strong...

tommy2bad

mrplop wrote: »

Great.

Got some of that RY-4 on the way from Inawera...

I'v got it and liked it, add it bit by bit till you get a taste you like, I found 10% good. Yes their is a pepery tickle their but I think its the base I used, the dirty neutral, I have noticed it with other flavors too. Its not exactly like the dekang RY4 but close.

mrplop

Feeling better about my purchase...

derra

Gryzor wrote: »

What kind of concentration did you use derra, I find with alot of their flavours that anything more than 2 drops in 5ml of base is overpowering and a very chemically taste. Most of their flavours are incredibly strong...

Been a while now since i mixed it, but i had mixed a few with different measurements and let it steep for a while as ya do with Flavourart stuff.
Just did'nt get the taste i expected or hoped for, cheap to try to so no harm done.

Only ever got one F'art juice after that, can't be bothered waiting around for it to settle and discover it needs a bit more of this or a bit more of that and then wait again.

Very strong flavours alright, same with Inaweras stuff.

Thread on F'art RY4 here...
http://ukvapers.com/topic/16421-flavour-arts-ry4-concentrate/

mrplop

Unfortunate abreviation for Flavourarts...

Half the folks that used their RY-4 love it and the rest hate it, just shows you how subjective this all is. For example, I'm amazed anyone likes Halo Torque 56 because I think it tastes like ass - I'm hoping this stuff is okay because it'll take at least a week before I can get another few flavours.

This'll teach me for putting all my eggs in one basket...

mrplop

Got my Inawera order today (posted from Poland on Monday) mixed 30ml's with about 6% of flavouring and couldn't wait for it to steep.

I can see what you say about the peppery tickle but it's not a deal breaker - fairly happy so far, tastes more like RY-4 than the first stuff I ever got - TBS premium RY-4, which tasted fruity.

Happy.

derra

Good stuff, ya will feel that 6% flavour in a few days if ya let it steep.
Do another 5ml one the same and leave it be for a week(longer even) and then see what it's like.

Yeah the TBS RY4 had a blueberry taste off it or something, enjoyed it at the time all the same and bought plenty of it.

mrplop

Derra must have similar taste in efluids - in the space of less than 4 days the Flavourarts RY-4 tastes like Über ass.

Got 10ml of Hangsen RY-4 concentrate on the way - hoping it tastes better than this stuff.

Oh well...

derra

mrplop wrote: »

Derra must have similar taste in efluids - in the space of less than 4 days the Flavourarts RY-4 tastes like Über ass.

Got 10ml of Hangsen RY-4 concentrate on the way - hoping it tastes better than this stuff.

Oh well...

Try it again maybe but just use 3% in a 5ml mix, maybe lower even as they are very strong concentrates and leave it for few days.
I suspect you will probably still not like it anyway but that's the way to do it with Flavourart stuff.

Think that Hangsen stuff requires 10% and maybe more.

Get yourself some Gold Ducat and Tobacco C from Inawera and ya be wondering why you ever bothered with finding a good RY4.

One drop per ml, shake it up and your good to go within a few mins.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

everything he said about ducat and tobacco c, except 2 drops per ml


also leave it to steep for a week

that nigga be crazy

derra

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

everything he said about ducat and tobacco c, except 2 drops per ml


also leave it to steep for a week

that nigga be crazy

The RDA will sort that out i reckon

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

or a bulli, if I hadnt been too slow :P

went on to ukvapers to see about getting one of hellsires repairable tank atties, list closed about an hour ago
serious rageface atm

i guess ill leave off on getting any atty mods for now until I get the hang of making coils with the RDA.. i need discipline, not more toys

derra

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

or a bulli, if I hadnt been too slow :P

went on to ukvapers to see about getting one of hellsires repairable tank atties, list closed about an hour ago
serious rageface atm

i guess ill leave off on getting any atty mods for now until I get the hang of making coils with the RDA.. i need discipline, not more toys

Good decision

mrplop

derra wrote: »

Think that Hangsen stuff requires 10% and maybe more.

Get yourself some Gold Ducat and Tobacco C from Inawera and ya be wondering why you ever bothered with finding a good RY4.

One drop per ml, shake it up and your good to go within a few mins.

Got on that - hate the waiting game though. Such a pity that no one sells flavouring over here - got almost 100mls of VG 36mg and I'm going to have to spend €10 to buy 30ml's of pre-made whilst I'm waiting for the other flavours:mad:

derra

mrplop wrote: »

Got on that - hate the waiting game though. Such a pity that no one sells flavouring over here - got almost 100mls of VG 36mg and I'm going to have to spend €10 to buy 30ml's of pre-made whilst I'm waiting for the other flavours:mad:

Hate when that happens, waiting on a order and not sure if it will get to you buy Friday so ya order local spending €10 + on an atty or juice to get by.

Tobacco C is a bit milder than GD so ya have a nice variation.
Have tried a few flavours but keep sticking to them two.

Hunter Mahan

Quick question, if I were to make a vg based ry4, using vg nicotine base, could I dilute it and thin it just using water? That is remove the need for any pg?

tommy2bad

Hunter Mahan wrote: »

Quick question, if I were to make a vg based ry4, using vg nicotine base, could I dilute it and thin it just using water? That is remove the need for any pg?

Yes I think 15% is the dilution. Use the distilled water from a chemist.
Some people are allergic to PG so use VG as their base all the time.
I'v heard it makes great vapor but mutes flavor, what I'v read anyway, I use 75% Pg as I have no problem with it. Tho someone said to me that if you have Psoriasis PG will make it worse and I'v noticed I'm getting dry skin on my forearms lately, might be going down the VG route myself if it continues.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i wonder if the vg flavour thing can be fixed by adding more flavouring

i think i might order some vg nic base and vg 0mg in a while and try make some juices with it. juices I know I already like, like gold ducat or american type. if I can get a good flavour ill probably just switch over to vg permanently, better vapour and all it means is I have to punch an extra hole (or two) in my cartos before putting them into tanks

straight vaping cartos with pure vg would be a pain in the sack though

tommy2bad

Found this on using PG or VG juice, might be helpful.
http://ukvapers.com/topic/3860-using-pg-and-vg-in-juices/

wingnut32

Lads, use 25% distilled water or better still blue label vodka dont go for the cheap stuff either it makes a big difference.

mrplop

Using Hazelnut to reduce the sweetness of my first RY4 made from scratch, it works quite well without making everything taste of nuts. So far it tastes like the FA RY4 without the pepper or the biscuit like taste.
I think the most important aspect of RY4 is the base tobbaco and the subtlety of Caramel, once I reduce the sweetness and cut back on the Caramel I think I can get this tasting very close to the Dekang.

Hunter Mahan

I have been Vaping a mrplop ry4 all day, and I'm impressed, nice flavour, good vape, very nice.
Any chance you can share the recipe? I intend to start mixing over Easter.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

"mrplop ry4" just sounds so wrong

Hunter Mahan

Yeah, it's a bit off alright:) but it's a tasty juice.

mrplop

Maybe I can call it 'plop' juice - and it's got nuts in it...

mrplop

Hunter Mahan wrote: »

I have been Vaping a mrplop ry4 all day, and I'm impressed, nice flavour, good vape, very nice.
Any chance you can share the recipe? I intend to start mixing over Easter.

Simple mixture this one; 60 drops of Hangsen concentrate and 4 of Flavourart. The F/A concentrate is PH balanced to tone the sweetness down whereas the Hangsen isn't, a mixture of both tones the sweetness down and kills the biscuit/pepper in the F/A.

Here's another recipe which works a little better but doesn't involve any RY-4 concentrate at all - I prefer this one;

RY -4
10ml

Inawera flavours

tob c 6 drops
hazelnut 4 drops
caramel 2 drops
vanillia .5 drops
peanut .5drops

I put the bottle with the lid and tip off in hot water - speeds the steeping process.

I think the main missing element is a good tobacco base - the health cabin concentrate is supposed to be very good but it's more expensive than the Inawera stuff and you need to use 50% of it to get any flavour.
The Chinese have sussed that we're willing to pay good money for this stuff and they've adjusted their prices accordingly.

Sods.

Hunter Mahan

Just mixed my first batch of RY4. What's the best course of action now, leave the air into it for a couple of days?

Hunter Mahan

Couldn't resist trying it just now, and if I say so myself it's fantastic.

Should I leave it air? What will that do to the flavour or should I just belt away?
Any advice appreciated...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

im not entirely sure why leaving the cap off overnight is advised.. but what I read several places was to leave the cap off it for 24 hours, then put the cap back on.. give it a shake (a good hard 30 second shake) and then leave it in the dark drawer for a week or two

i leave mine for about a week then take them out of the steeping drawer and into my juice drawer. so they're still in a dark drawer after that. it's personal preference really. if you like it as is, vape it now. if you have a small 5/10ml empty bottle, maybe pour 10ml into it and steep that.. and just vape the rest of what yhou made. 2 weeks time you can try the steeped juice and see if it tastes much different

mrplop

Got a recipe?

You can just keep going with it but the flavour will change - good OR bad!

Hunter Mahan

Very basic recipe to start off with.

5.2 ml 52mg pg nicotine base
20.6 ml pg/vg
3.6 ml RY4 flavouring (12% flavouring)

It comes to 30mls of 10mg strength (70/20 pg/vg)

Got all my supplies from vapour zone in the UK.

I'm going to let the cap off overnight and sample it again tomorrow night, if I can tear myself away from Sir Digby's home brew which I'm using as a treat vape on relaxing evenings.

mrplop

The concentrate at Vapour Zone is Hangsen, you'll get a better deal at cig-eliquid.co.uk.
For example 50ml of RY-4 is £11.50 - not as many flavours but very cheap for the essential ones.