Over 5 euro for a pint in Ireland How do we Stop this

faigs

Raekwon wrote: »

Where's this place with €3 pints? The only pubs on Lower Stephen Street are Capital Bar, Bia Bar, The Hairy Lemon & Break for the Boarder and they are all €5+ for a pint of larger.

It's across Georges St from there, the street where Burritos and Blues is.

Draco

Raekwon wrote: »

Where's this place with €3 pints? The only pubs on Lower Stephen Street are Capital Bar, Bia Bar, The Hairy Lemon & Break for the Boarder and they are all €5+ for a pint of larger.

It's the Restaurant Royal. If you head up towards the Radisson from George's street you'll pass it. Not a pub I'd go into myself.

Kev_2012

sandin wrote: »

Wake up to yourselves and your stupidity. The price of drinks in pubs here in Ireland are quite similar to those charged in pubs in the UK, France, Germany, USA and most other countries.

You don't compare a rural UK pub to a centre city pub. Most London pubs charge £4 average for pints with zero service, most parisian pubs charge €7 fo a pint with zero service, most Franfurt pubs charge €4 for a 400ml glass of beer with basic service.

Once you go after midnight or into clubs, prices in ALL cities rise substantially. In London, most clubs charge £5 a bottle.

Maybe when below cost selling of alcohol is finally banned, the kids here will realise the value of a decent pint in a decent pub.


btw - here's the average price for pub drinks in London from DesignMyNight.com website. note spirits are 25ml in size not 37.5ml as you receive in an Irish pub.

"Pint of Lager£3.80 Pint of Ale £3.60 Bottle of Lager£3.75 Bottle of Cider£4.00 Cocktail No Price Spirit and Mixer £5.50 Large Glass of Wine£4.20 Bottle of House Wine£16.00"

Bottles are ridiculously over priced in pubs, hence why I dont buy them. in Limerick, some places charge €4.70 for a bottle of Miller!

I would rather get a 25ml shot for £1 than pay €4.50 for a 37.5ml one.

In Liverpool and Newcastle, which I suppose could be comparable to Limerick or Cork, it's £1.80 for a pint of carling/stella (English pints are muck but these 2 taste best over) in most places. Compared to €4.50 for heineken over here (probably the best lager over here on tap).

Mixers are ridiculously priced here too. In the UK they usually have the mixers on tap, whereas its €4 odd for a can of red bull or €2.60 for a 200ml bottle of coke! It's insane! I got 2 jagermeisters, 2 vodkas and a red bull ripoff for £5 in newcastle in a decent club.

In Dublin, the price of drink also rises (I was once charged €6.50 for a pint of heineken in temple bar and it was terrible! And yes I did leave after it.), and then you have the silly comparisons you made, Dublin/Limerick/Cork =/= London/Paris, lets get it right yeah? You can't justify the price of drink over here in bars.

Sea Filly

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

You're talking complete nonsense. Your idea of quality food must be steak, chicken nuggets or chips.

It's not nonsense, in fairness. The food in Wetherspoon's is truly dire. But cheap, so you get what you pay for. I don't drink beer so can't comment on their selection but the pubs themselves are like big barns. Awful.

Bullseye1

It's €3.00 for a coffee or tea.

Rates
Wages
Insurance
Rents

Until these reduce what can we expect.

frank9901

my local charges 4.35 a bottle of miller OR 3 for 10.00

rubadub

sandin wrote: »

But you have eejits here who think a pub should sell drink at the same price as tesco

"here" in this thread? or just your own anecdotal inventions. I have never heard of anybody ever say they expect it to be the same price as a supermarket, or even hint at it. I think you're dreaming.

sandin wrote: »

Comparing a bottle of beer bought from a supermaket with a drink in apub? - Utter ridiculous

It would be ridiculous to ignore supermarket prices though, my mate is a barman and the owner buys most of his longnecks in the supermarket. The local centra was doing 20 heineken for €15, 75cent a bottle. I have seen heineken longnecks going for 5.50 in the city centre. A small tub of pringles in tesco is 1.09, so if you multiplied it directly up to the same 75c Vs 5.50 (7.33 times the price) then it is similar to asking for €7.99 for a small tub of pringles in the pub. This is why it is perfectly legitimate to compare them, one product has a ludicrously high difference in markup.

sandin wrote: »

Maybe when below cost selling of alcohol is finally banned

This "below cost selling" is trotted out all the time by publicans & vitners. I have absolutely no doubt that the local centra is not selling these 75c bottles at a loss. I know many people who have got them and when I see people queuing up very few are doing any other shopping there, let alone a full weeks shopping like in tesco, which is what this "below cost" marketing strategy is supposed to be all about.

I would personally love to see below cost selling of alcohol banned, I doubt any drink I buy would increase, and it would shut those annoying publicans up spouting what they know fine well is bullshit.

In other threads publicans have come on saying they can pay ~€35 for a 24 heinekens from the "proper distributor", they are the eejits if they pay this, and its these same morons who then claim supermarkets MUST be below cost selling, just because they are so stupid they pay whatever is asked of them, when they can freely walk into a supermaket and buy there.

sandin wrote: »

Maybe compare a microwave burger from the same supermarket with McDonalds - oh no, mcdonalds aren't the fashion to knock.

Lets compare. The cheapest twin pack of microwave burgers in lidl are €2. In mcdonalds I can get a nicer same size burger for €1, same price going back years now, in mcdonalds I also get more ketchup, I get a nicer choice of seats that my local pub (many mcdonalds have lovely movable seats now), I also get to sit down with a newspaper they supply -my 2 local pubs don't even have papers like that. The mcdonalds have similar overheads, and usually far better kept toilets too.

If the 5.50 longneck pub was working on the same 7.33times pricing they would be microwaving the lidl burger and asking €7.33 for it. This is the proper comparison, it is not like comparing restaurants where the chef is skilled and will probably do a better job than most at cooking the same set of ingredients that could be bought less elsewhere. Opening a bottle is a totally unskilled job, and you are getting the EXACT same product as you do in a supermarket.

THIS is why people do not knock mcdonalds by the way.

mikemac1

sandin wrote: »

Unfortunately due to the begrudgery nature of Irish people who ahte seeing someone doing well, the profits are gone from the trade and there are closures everywhere.

Well there's a guilt trip, it's the Irish public spiteful nature that is causing pubs and nightclubs and hotels to close :rolleyes:

sandin wrote: »

The stupidy spouted by many on this thread is amazing.


I suppose all the eejits here are assuming the following

Pubs don't pay an annual licance fee
Pubs don't pay staff
Pubs get free electricity and free oil
Pubs don't pay rent
Pubs don't pay rates
Pubs don't pay water charges
Pubs don't even pay for the glasses the drink is poured into.



Wake up to yourselves and your stupidity.

Pubs don't pay for the branded glasses anyway, they are all free from the rep.
The rest of the glasses are needed but the like of Clare Bar Supplies and others can throw them in when you're making an order.

DoesNotCompute

Raekwon wrote: »

Where's this place with €3 pints? The only pubs on Lower Stephen Street are Capital Bar, Bia Bar, The Hairy Lemon & Break for the Boarder and they are all €5+ for a pint of larger.

My bad, it was Upper Stephen's Street, a place called Restaurant Royale, across the road from Dunnes Stores HQ.

john_cappa

rubadub wrote: »

In other threads publicans have come on saying they can pay ~€35 for a 24 heinekens from the "proper distributor", they are the eejits if they pay this, and its these same morons who then claim supermarkets MUST be below cost selling, just because they are so stupid they pay whatever is asked of them, when they can freely walk into a supermaket and buy there.

No they cant. Publicans are not allowed legally to buy the bottles from the supermarket and then sell them in the licensed premises as different taxes apply. So they have to pay what the distributer asks.

Nikky_Bellic

- an annual licance fee
- staff pay
- electricity and free oil bills
- possible rent of premises.
- water charges
- etc.

I believe any business can justify a ridiculous price by using the above.

sandin

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

With this attitude, you deserve to go out of business.

I don't own, never have owned, had share or any other interest in the alcohol trade. I'd be a very light drinker and my preference is always a decent well made ale or good red wine.

But I am in business and know the cost of running a business and live in a rural area and see pubs curtailing their opening times, getting rid of staff, only opening Thursday to Sunday, closing altogether and certainly not living a life of luxury.

On a local estate agents website there are 6 pubs available for sale at €100k - €150k. Considering the licence os worth about 80k if you sell it to lidl / aldi (no new licences being granted), basically the pub building itself is close to worthless and the pub business completely worthless.

Even in "salubrius" areas like Dun Laoghaire, there's a pub for auction for less than the cost of a similar size house nearby.

If anyone thinks there's a fortune to be made, feel free to buy one and try it. - There is nothing whatsoever stopping you.

But, youse won't do that, cos you'll find out very quickly how the costs mount up and how much you have to charge just to keep the bills paid - then you couldn't moan.

leggit

sandin wrote: »

Pubs don't even pay for the glasses the drink is poured into

eehhhmmmm...... this is actually kind of true......

scamalert

leggit wrote: »

eehhhmmmm...... this is actually kind of true......

actually true they smashed them up into bins,keep the coke bottles,and gets refunded once the rep shows up for bottles or glass weight,so they pay almost zero for glasses.But paying for such piss as Budweiser nearly 5e is a joke.anyway stopped drinking and dont care if some ****holes die up,that's how i stop this :cool:

Michael Weston

Considering the licence os worth about 80k if you sell it to lidl / aldi (no new licences being granted), basically the pub building itself is close to worthless and the pub business completely worthless.

Actually closer to thirty thousand for a licence, pubs are closing at a rate of one a day. Contact a few receivers and they will happily offload the licence cheap if the business is no longer viable.
As for the building being worthless, how is this different to a retail unit or an office based business. Pubs are like all other properties in this respect.

rubadub

john_cappa wrote: »

No they cant. Publicans are not allowed legally to buy the bottles from the supermarket and then sell them in the licensed premises as different taxes apply. So they have to pay what the distributer asks.

Yes they can, this is a common misconception, a publican could buy lidl perlenbacher beer and sell it in his pub. Please show me the law which says they can't?
And what are the different taxes you speak of?

If a publican smuggles in drink avoiding duty then its illegal, such as buying in supermarkets in France or up north and not paying duty here and selling them on. If they buy in a supermarket here they have paid Irish duty, and there is no difference in duty between pubs & supermarkets.

A publican in another thread said he could buy from lidl, the only hassle would be claiming back the VAT which might be easier paperwork wise from wholesalers. But the crazy thing was you could ignore the VAT as the prices were so much lower than the wholesalers that even if you didn't bother claiming it back you are more profitable. The other disadvantage is some wholesalers may collect used bottles. But I know it works out far cheaper to buy longnecks in supermarkets in the pub my friend works in.

sandin wrote: »

Even in "salubrius" areas like Dun Laoghaire, there's a pub for auction for less than the cost of a similar size house nearby.

Thats not surprising, Dun Laoghaire is littered with pubs, and blackrock & dalkey are nearby also with plenty of pubs.

cson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jrKXf2G-AA

Replace waitresses with vintners and you get my stance on the matter.

Tbh I'm going out almost as much as ever and a night out for me generally costs less than €30 nowadays. Thank you Reillys, Diceys and The Village.

**** it even Coppers are doing pints for €3 during the week.

franc 91

Last Saturday there was an article in the Lifestyle section of the Irish Independent entitled '20 Ways recession has changed us'. One of the paragraphs in it is - The Beer's Better. I quote -
'We're drinking less (sales of alcohol have dropped by 17% over the last decade, particularly in recent years) but we're becoming more experimental in our choice of tipple. Many Irish micro-breweries producing craft beers are florishing.'
They then go on to put in some free publicity for Eight Degrees Brewing and their Sunburned Irish Red. Of course there are quite a few other micro-brewers around in Ireland now, so are they any cheaper and the pubs where you can find their beers any better than the others?

thesandeman

Depends on the pub again. Some of them take advantage of those of us who like to drink a local or specialised beer.
For instance Galway Hooker in Galway ranges from 3.80-5.60.

Raekwon

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

My bad, it was Upper Stephen's Street, a place called Restaurant Royale, across the road from Dunnes Stores HQ.

Ah yeah, I've passed it a few times but never knew they had €3 pints. It used to be a Brazilian restaurant a few years ago afaik. Anyway I doubt I'll every be darkening their doorway anytime soon especially after reading reviews like this

blowtorch

The old FG Ripoff Ireland website is now taken down - but it's 'remains' are still available to view. http://www.bublin.eu/ripoff/ripoff.php?id=1

Michael Weston

blowtorch wrote: »

The old FG Ripoff Ireland website is now taken down - but it's 'remains' are still available to view. http://www.bublin.eu/ripoff/ripoff.php?id=1

I never saw that before, just reinforces what a crowd of two faced lying cnuts they are. They have worsened almost all the items on that list. Eamon Gilmore especially sickens me as he adopted the Fine Gael party line instantly, not just a liar but a cowardly liar. Thanks for the link BT

red bull

Guinness drinkers in my local have abandoned there favorite tipple in favour of Tuborg @ €3 a pint

rubadub

red bull wrote: »

Guinness drinkers in my local have abandoned there favorite tipple in favour of Tuborg @ €3 a pint

Weird that they bypass cheap beamish and go straight for tuborg. Guinness marketing is astonishing, I bet most would not tell the difference in proper blind tests. I wonder how many people who consider themselves "guinness drinkers" have never tasted another stout.

Stark

Haven't tried Beamish but used to drink Murphy's for a while before switching back to Guinness. Definitely a difference in taste. Murphy's taste a little sweeter but also has a sort of "burnt" taste.

rubadub

Stark wrote: »

Definitely a difference in taste.

Have you ever tried blind tasting, thats the only real way to know for sure if you can tell it (if its of any interest to you). There were studies done on pepsi & coke which proved the power of drinking from a cup with advertising on it. A group of beer fanatics in the drink forum did blind tasting on all the major stouts and results showed little difference for them.

Even if you can tell a little difference, its a hell of a lot less difference than moving from stout to a lager. Its just weird that in the likes of concerts with limit selection you might see somebody ask for guinness, then heineken and then jump to bulmers, when they find the first 2 are not served.

Stark

I don't normally drink stout blindfolded so it's not really relevant if they taste the same when I can't see. Foods start to taste the same when you hold your nose as well but that's not a normal way of consuming something. I wouldn't go so far as jumping to a lager (I think both Murphy's and Guinness are nice in different ways) but perception does make a difference to taste even if your taste buds report the same just as say offering someone a placebo painkiller gives them effective pain relief for example.

Mr_Spaceman

rubadub wrote: »

Weird that they bypass cheap beamish and go straight for tuborg. Guinness marketing is astonishing, I bet most would not tell the difference in proper blind tests. I wonder how many people who consider themselves "guinness drinkers" have never tasted another stout.

They also have a monopoly in the pubs themselves.

For example, it's very rare to find Murphy's on tap in the UK - yet Guinness is everywhere. In fact, it's not that often I would even see Murphy's on sale in Dublin pubs.

red bull

red bull wrote: »

Guinness drinkers in my local have abandoned there favorite tipple in favour of Tuborg @ €3 a pint

WE only have a choice of guinness €3.85 smithicks€3.85 bud€4.20 carlsberg €4.20 harp€4.20 Heineken €4.20 So Tuborg €3.00 is gaining its way

thesandeman

What part of the sticks are you that still uses a 5cent slot in the till?
I think I only know one pub in town that uses that but that's for keeping the coppers separate.