(US) Town set to ban smoking ANYWHERE outside... even in your own backyard

patwicklow

Wont be long till that comes about here to more control

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106269/Rocklin-California-town-ban-smoking-ANYWHERE-outside-backyard.html

Blatter

And they say America is a democracy :rolleyes:

JupiterKid

It had to happen - it's being going in that direction for a long time now. Another Californian community, Calabasas, already bans smoking in public areas outdoors.

They might as well go the whole hog and make smoking illegal in their municipality. That's what the health Nazis really want. First they come for the smokers, next the fatties, and so on and so on...

Nanny state at its worst.

Sindri

patwicklow wrote: »

Wont be long till that comes about here to more control

patwicklow wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106269/Rocklin-California-town-ban-smoking-ANYWHERE-outside-backyard.html

Don't think it's right prohibiting a perfectly legal practice on someones private property.

Also, surely smoking indoors could be damaging to the health of the people you may live with?

The unusual legislation was prompted by a local family annoyed with their neighbour smoking outside and causing smoke to waft near their house.
They claimed their children's health had been jeopardised by second-hand smoke, according to CBS 13.

In fairness, if it's for health benefits, why not ban cars?

heate

Though I had been making an effort to cut down I've recently thrown caution to the wind and continued to smoke as I see fit. Where I'm legally allowed to and I try to smoke away from children but good god if I couldn't smoke at home I'd go slowly nuts.
Not all smokers are cancerous unhealthy societal leaches as the media would lead you to believe!

Sindri

heate wrote: »

Though I had been making an effort to cut down I've recently thrown caution to the wind and continued to smoke as I see fit. Where I'm legally allowed to and I try to smoke away from children but good god if I couldn't smoke at home I'd go slowly nuts.
Not all smokers are cancerous unhealthy societal leaches as the media would lead you to believe!

Well I am.

Super-Rush

There should be a ban on not quoting the article in a link.

For mobile users.

A town in California is proposing to ban smoking outside, even for residents lighting up on their own property.

Smoking is already banned indoors in public places in most of the country, and in California it is illegal to smoke in parks and playgrounds too.

The town of Rocklin, near Sacramento, could take the draconian regulations further by extending them to private property as well.

The unusual legislation was prompted by a local family annoyed with their neighbour smoking outside and causing smoke to waft near their house.

They claimed their children's health had been jeopardised by second-hand smoke, according to CBS 13.

However, while cigarettes may be considered a dirty habit, some people say that a ban could interfere with constitutional property rights.

And other worry that the proposal could actually cause health problems, with smokers forced to light up within the confines of their home - particularly damaging for those with young children.

But supporters of the plan say a blanket ban is the only way to keep cigarette smoke away from non-smokers.

Rocklin resident Ryan Malonson said he doubted the measure would pass, describing the proposal as 'unacceptable'.

But town officials insist they are actively considering the idea of a ban.

While smoking used to be universally common and socially acceptable throughout the U.S., it has become increasingly controversial over the years.

There are now very few public places where it is legal to smoke, and to crack down on lighting up on private property would be extremely restricting.

patwicklow

El Pistolero wrote: »

There should be a ban on not quoting the article in a link.

For mobile users.

There is a link im not a mobile user so why would it be up to me to provide them with a link

admiralofthefleet

/sparks up a benson

Super-Rush

patwicklow wrote: »

There is a link im not a mobile user so why would it be up to me to provide them with a link

Because you created the thread and there are hundreds of people who view Boards on their mobiles. Some sites don't have mobile versions, and it can be a pain in the hole to try and read something not made for mobile.

Sindri

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

/sparks up a benson

Yeah, this thread is itching my cravings.

saladin

Do you really think we'll still be smoking in 50 years. Eventually it will die out and the human race will be better off they're only creating the future now much like Ireland did being the first to introduce a ban nationwide. They should be applauded as for liberty sometimes we humans need to be told to stop ****ing drinking arsenic.

patwicklow

El Pistolero wrote: »

Because you created the thread and there are hundreds of people who view Boards on their mobiles. Some sites don't have mobile versions, and it can be a pain in the hole to try and read something not made for mobile.

Well think that should be up to the site to make it more readable on a phone im on my pc and i wont not even know how to post it for a mobile device anyway so if ye dont like it skip it

Super-Rush

You have to wonder why they just don't make it illegal to smoke.

Why bother making up all theses different laws about where you can and cannot smoke?

Why make in almost unaffordable to buy cigarettes?

Why waste millions on advertising campaigns trying to get people to stop smoking?

Just ban it ffs and move on.

Super-Rush

patwicklow wrote: »

Well think that should be up to the site to make it more readable on a phone im on my pc and i wont not even know how to post it for a mobile device anyway so if ye dont like it skip it

So you don't know how to copy and paste something?

You knew how to copy and paste the link to the article into your opening post.

So people who use mobiles shouldn't take part in the conversation because you couldn't be arsed copying the text from the article into your post?

In future if you are linking to an article, then please copy some if not all of the text in the article and paste it into your post. It makes life easier for everyone.

We've derailed the thread enough, so any replies you have can be pm'd to me.

Cavehill Red

Mod:

derailing thread. Pm me or take it to feedback please.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

Well it should be banned in all public places, I hate walking behind a smoker and getting wafts of the putrid smell or at a bus-stop.

But you should be allowed to do what you like on your own property, that new law is crazy.

Blatter

El Pistolero wrote: »

You have to wonder why they just don't make it illegal to smoke.

Why bother making up all theses different laws about where you can and cannot smoke?

Why make in almost unaffordable to buy cigarettes?

Why waste millions on advertising campaigns trying to get people to stop smoking?

Just ban it ffs and move on.

Don't think they'll ever ban smoking tbh. Too many people depend on it and people would still get their hands on them somehow, which would just mean that the government lose out on tax in the end.

Super-Rush

Blatter wrote: »

Don't think they'll ever ban smoking tbh. Too many people depend on it and people would still get their hands on them somehow, which would just mean that the government lose out on tax in the end.

But with the neverending increases in price, more and more people are looking to the black market for their fix.

GrafenPills

This is shocking! :eek:

..... Shocking that Ireland doesnt bring this in before anywhere else :rolleyes:

hondasam

Quote

Both University Hospital Galway and Merlin Park Hospital will be off limits for smokers from Wednesday, as they introduce a new smoke-free campus policy.
From this date, it will no longer be possible to smoke anywhere on the hospital grounds, including entrances, doorways, walkways, internal roads, bus shelters, car parks, cars and bicycle shelters.
The introduction of this new policy is in line with GUH’s status as a Health Promoting Hospital, a Smoke-Free Hospital and its designation as one of the eight regional cancer centres in Ireland.

The policy will apply to all staff, patients, visitors, contractors and anyone who enters the hospital buildings or grounds and will ensure a healthier, safer and cleaner environment for all and better health outcomes for patients and staff

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=galway%20hospital%20to%20ban%20smoking&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CHEQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgalwayindependent.com%2Fstories%2Fitem%2F1137%2F2012-8%2FGUH-introduces-smoke-free-campus&ei=FPhOT4_cLceyhAeezqHqCw&usg=AFQjCNH0thym4s-0r1BUO5C5XJNLE-zySg

This should be interesting to see how it works for visitors and workers, smoking should be banned in all work places.

Blatter

El Pistolero wrote: »

But with the neverending increases in price, more and more people are looking to the black market for their fix.

Yep true, but it'd be ten fold the problem if they were to ban smoking altogether though.

GiftofGab

Now the police can dedicate their time to catching smokers....

Sindri

El Pistolero wrote: »

But with the neverending increases in price, more and more people are looking to the black market for their fix.

And that is why they should be legal.

Prohibiting smoking altogether won't stop people from smoking.

They'll only end up damaging their health even more smoking counterfeit cigarettes, and the government loses out on revenue. Plus it encourages crime.

mickgotsick

hondasam wrote: »

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=galway%20hospital%20to%20ban%20smoking&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CHEQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgalwayindependent.com%2Fstories%2Fitem%2F1137%2F2012-8%2FGUH-introduces-smoke-free-campus&ei=FPhOT4_cLceyhAeezqHqCw&usg=AFQjCNH0thym4s-0r1BUO5C5XJNLE-zySg

This should be interesting to see how it works for visitors and workers, smoking should be banned in all work places.

Apparently you have to quote the article as well, or you'll get given out to by that lad El Pist or whatever his name is.

Here's the article for mobile users:

Some eejits decided that some other eejits shouldn't be smoking in or around Galway somewhere. There's some sort of a hospital involved.

Chuck Stone

Sindri wrote: »

And that is why they should be legal.

Prohibiting smoking altogether won't stop people from smoking.

They'll only end up damaging their health even more smoking counterfeit cigarettes, and the government loses out on revenue. Plus it encourages crime.

Why can't people get this ^^ through their thick heads?

They can't stop heroin FFS and people are actually advocating the creation of a whole new revenue stream for drug dealers and the spending of taxes on trying to suppress the consumption of another naturally growing plant.

Prohibition just does not work yet people keep suggesting it as a solution to a victimless 'crime'.

Such slavish, servile, attitudes that people wear proudly. Ban this, ban that. Tax this, tax that.

I despair.

kylith

I really can't see this working. How can they make it illegal to do something that's legal, on your own property?

44leto

This is a good move, another step in ridding the world of the toxic sh!ts.

Waterford Regional Hospital has a total ban on smoking anywhere in the grounds too.

I'm a smoker myself but I think it is a really good Idea. I was out there recently to visit my brothers new baby and walking in the door I saw a couple of heavily pregnant women puffing away and another dude smoking THROUGH A HOLE IN HIS NECK! I don't usually do righteous anger but that is fuc­ked up.

44leto

Edz87 wrote: »

Waterford Regional Hospital has a total ban on smoking anywhere in the grounds too.

I'm a smoker myself but I think it is a really good Idea. I was out there recently to visit my brothers new baby and walking in the door I saw a couple of heavily pregnant women puffing away and another dude smoking THROUGH A HOLE IN HIS NECK! I don't usually do righteous anger but that is fuc­ked up.

I seen that in a toilet in Beaumont it was the weirdest thing I ever seen I end up staring, I then went outside for a smoke to ease the shock.

pragmatic1

Edz87 wrote: »

Waterford Regional Hospital has a total ban on smoking anywhere in the grounds too.

I'm a smoker myself but I think it is a really good Idea. I was out there recently to visit my brothers new baby and walking in the door I saw a couple of heavily pregnant women puffing away and another dude smoking THROUGH A HOLE IN HIS NECK! I don't usually do righteous anger but that is fuc­ked up.

Wait till you're a patient in the hospital and then see if you still think its a good idea. The patients will still smoke it's just being made more annoying for them.

RachaelVO

El Pistolero wrote: »

There should be a ban on not quoting the article in a link.

For mobile users.

+1

That and the fact that I won't click some links cos I'm fecked if I'll give em the page views, and the mail is one of em!

Back on OT, was always likely to happen, give it time and it'll hit the maniacal anti smokers of Europe!

Love2love

St Vincent's Hospital, Dublin also has a smoke-free campus. Seems to be working well.

They can do what they want - I'm off them a month tomorrow

44leto

44leto wrote: »

I seen that in a toilet in Beaumont it was the weirdest thing I ever seen I end up staring, I then went outside for a smoke to ease the shock.

Sick isnt it! You would think its time to give up the fags when a doctor drills a hole in your windpipe..

The King of Moo

mickgotsick wrote: »

Apparently you have to quote the article as well, or you'll get given out to by that lad El Pist or whatever his name is.

Here's the article for mobile users:

Some eejits decided that some other eejits shouldn't be smoking in or around Galway somewhere. There's some sort of a hospital involved.

You don't think it's a good idea to ban smoking in hospitals and on their grounds?

I've had to visit the hospital a few times recently and I couldn't believe the number of people smoking in doorways.

It's not particularly healthy to have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get into a hospital.

And for the hospital it doesn't exactly look good to have people being seen so publicly engaging in something so unhealthy on the premises.

I also don't see how the heaviest chain smoker, even if they're in hospital for something unrelated to smoking, doesn't find it absurd to be smoking either in a hospital or on its premises.

I can't believe a policy like the one they're introducing in these hospitals hasn't been implemented nationwide already.

amacachi

Surely they realise that if people smoke inside the smoke will still escape at some point?

44leto

Edz87 wrote: »

Sick isnt it! You would think its time to give up the fags when a doctor drills a hole in your windpipe..

It was and to spite visiting my mother in the ward where they dealt with breathing difficulties for months, most them were smokers or x smokers bar my mother, I still went on smoking for another few years.

mickgotsick

The King of Moo wrote: »

You don't think it's a good idea to ban smoking in hospitals and on their grounds?

I've had to visit the hospital a few times recently and I couldn't believe the number of people smoking in doorways.

It's not particularly healthy to have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get into a hospital.

And for the hospital it doesn't exactly look good to have people being seen so publicly engaging in something so unhealthy on the premises.

I also don't see how the heaviest chain smoker, even if they're in hospital for something unrelated to smoking, doesn't find it absurd to be smoking either in a hospital or on its premises.

I can't believe a policy like the one they're introducing in these hospitals hasn't been implemented nationwide already.

Where do I say it's a bad idea?

Rented Mule

They can take my smokes when they pry them from my cold dead hands !!!


Actually, I quit smoking 12 years ago, but never let that get in the way of a good story.

RichieC

The concept of public space is dying rapidly in the US, and freedom will die with it.

hondasam

The King of Moo wrote: »

You don't think it's a good idea to ban smoking in hospitals and on their grounds?

I can't believe a policy like the one they're introducing in these hospitals hasn't been implemented nationwide already.

The worst thing is the patients outside the main door in dressing gowns smoking this I think is terrible. I am a smoker myself and know it's hard to give them up even if in hospital.
I wonder how it works for a workers point of view, where do they go to smoke.
I think a ban on smoking in all work places would be good.

Run_to_da_hills

GrafenPills wrote: »

This is shocking! :eek:

..... Shocking that Ireland doesnt bring this in before anywhere else :rolleyes:

I wouldn't be surprised if it was drafted into this country. We were also the first country in Europe to introduce the prohibition on pub smoking after it was introduced into New York city.

smash

I think it's a step in the right direction. And that's coming from a smoker.

Chuck Stone

Edz87 wrote: »

Waterford Regional Hospital has a total ban on smoking anywhere in the grounds too.

I'm a smoker myself but I think it is a really good Idea.

I'm a former smoker (not the evangelical type, the horrible bastards) and think it's not a bad idea myself.

There's a large Tesco near me and the staff smoke outside the front door in the evenings and there are fag butts everywhere and it's quite disgusting.

It's not the staff's fault though - there must be no smoking area provided out the back by Tesco.

Banning smoking in public spaces is just going too far imo.

smash

smash wrote: »

I think it's a step in the right direction. And that's coming from a smoker.

Traitor.

The King of Moo

mickgotsick wrote: »

Where do I say it's a bad idea?

I assumed that was your opinion because you called the people behind it "eejits."

2ndcoming

patwicklow wrote: »

There is a link im not a mobile user so why would it be up to me to provide them with a link

Spoken like a true Daily Mail reader...

Bannasidhe

Some US towns already ban smoking outside within certain radius of buildings - which in urban areas is effectively a town wide ban. Back in 1993 while driving from Boston to Northampton in eastern Mass on the Turnpike we stopped off in the town of Chicopee for lunch. After we placed our order we told our waiter we would be right outside the window having a smoke only to be informed that was illegal to smoke outside within the city limits. We thought he was joking.
He did say that he thought it would be ok to smoke in the car (rental with a $150 fine if we smoked in it) as long as we kept the windows closed. Feck this says us and off we went. Just after we had lit up the waiter knocked on the window so we began to puff furiously thinking the food was ready. Not a bit of it - he wanted to know if he could join us.

In Mount Holyoke College in Eastern Mass one has to be at least 500 yards from any permanent structure before smoking. After much measuring it was eventually determined that the only place on campus one could smoke was under one particular tree. As you nearly had to be in the tree or campus security would be there to issue a fine, queues used to form...:rolleyes:

gamgsam

The only subsequent (il)logical result is the following scenario:

Burglar burgles house. Houseowner wakes up, hears a noise. Sparks a cigarette to relax and goes to investigate. Burglar then sues the houseowner for endangering his health.

Haha

D1stant

Sindri wrote: »

In fairness, if it's for health benefits, why not ban cars?

Why stop there. The only way to protect the innocent in this god forsaken dangerous world is to ban childbirth

Son Of A Vidic

georgiecasey wrote: »

Well it should be banned in all public places, I hate walking behind a smoker and getting wafts of the putrid smell or at a bus-stop.

Try passing them out or crossing the road, because it works for me all the time.