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Low electricity users hit with extra charge

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    #92
    Sonnenblumen
    Registered Users Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    gbee wrote: »
    No, not entirely, the CO2 is created at manufacture, a low or high domestic user has no further effect on CO2 production.

    :confused: I think you're missing the point. 1 domestic user will have no impact on CO2 emmission levels but 100,000 energy efficient domestic customers will.

    Why should those customers who invest in more energy efficient homes be penalised?:(


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    #93
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Sonnenblumen wrote: »
    Why should those customers who invest in more energy efficient homes be penalised?:(

    It's like an episode of the Simpsons, Lisa is all for recycling until she sees what Mr. Burns is really doing.

    It's simple, if you save on fuel or electricity they will increase the price, if you don't use toll roads they take some of your Tax money and give it to the toll company and so on and on ~ electric care are the next biggest racket but their schemes are endless.

    I could tell you that batteries could be manufactured today that could run an electric car for a hundred years, we have abundant energy resources, but it's far more fun to play games and fool the masses.


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    #94
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    gbee wrote: »
    It's like an episode of the Simpsons, Lisa is all for recycling until she sees what Mr. Burns is really doing.

    It's simple, if you save on fuel or electricity they will increase the price, if you don't use toll roads they take some of your Tax money and give it to the toll company and so on and on ~ electric care are the next biggest racket but their schemes are endless.

    I could tell you that batteries could be manufactured today that could run an electric car for a hundred years, we have abundant energy resources, but it's far more fun to play games and fool the masses.

    Tell me more about the 100 year battery. It isnt the Nickel Iron one is it?


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    #95
    maggy_thatcher
    Registered Users Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭maggy_thatcher


    maggy_thatcher wrote: »
    A fridge/freezer is probably close to two units a day alright (esp. if you open/close the door a few times).

    Just to correct myself here - I checked our fridge this evening, and the sticker on it says 0.88kW/24h - so it uses a little less than 1 unit per day. Your fridge probably has a similar sticker inside that gives you this information.


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    #96
    socco
    Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭socco


    this charge is crazy. They should be focusing on reducing costs internally and not setting minimum prices on usage for customers.


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    #97
    Zen65
    Registered Users Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    socco wrote: »
    this charge is crazy. They should be focusing on reducing costs internally and not setting minimum prices on usage for customers.

    Do you think it's crazy when your local takeaway says "Minimum order for delivery is €10" even though they add €1.20 when they deliver to you?

    There is a point for any company where the cost of providing a service makes that service uneconomical, and no amount of internal cost reduction can close that gap. Using less than two units a day every day for two months is not being efficient... it's being absent (because it's a holiday home). Users that are connected to the grid ultimately end up reserving capacity from the network operator, but if they don't use it then the investment by the operator is wasted (the connection will not pay for itself).

    You can fix that by increasing the standing charge a little for everyone, or by targeting holiday homes & apartments. Personally I think the latter is the better option; poor people don't have holiday homes.

    Z


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    #98
    NakedNNettles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭NakedNNettles


    ^^^^^^^^^^Totally agree with the above, my take is why should the taxpayer be picking up the tab on running ESB lines into the back of beyonds just so someone can have their dream holiday home that they stay in one weekend a year.

    I have no sympathy on these people, they can afford two houses now let them pay up for the public services too and stop shoving the cost on the rest of us.


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    #99
    Casillas
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭Casillas


    This flippin country lately. There's a tax on wearing shorts. We're not wearing shorts. I mean a tax on not wearing shorts. Mad stuff.


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    #100
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    NakedNNettles wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^Totally agree with the above, my take is why should the taxpayer be picking up the tab on running ESB lines into the back of beyonds just so someone can have their dream holiday home that they stay in one weekend a year.

    I have no sympathy on these people, they can afford two houses now let them pay up for the public services too and stop shoving the cost on the rest of us.

    Yeah but where are the headlines in the papers going to come from then? How are supposed to rant about chief executive pay, wedding bonuses (that was my favourite) or staff earning over €100k a year?


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    #101
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    NakedNNettles wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^Totally agree with the above, my take is why should the taxpayer be picking up the tab on running ESB lines into the back of beyonds just so someone can have their dream holiday home that they stay in one weekend a year.

    That is paid for.
    When I built on my site we paid two thousand euro to ESB. I think Eirgrid handle this now.

    Two thousand euro yet the site was right on the road and power lines right there, no fields to be crossed or long distances to be covered

    They don't connect for free you know


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    #102
    Stiffler2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    just stick your drill into the metre reader on reverse and rewind the $h!t out of that baby.

    ESB pays me every 2 months.


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    #103
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    bonzodog2 wrote: »
    The standing charge should cover the costs of administering your account. Whether the current charge does so, and is the regulator to blame, is another question or two. The usage should be charged at a rate according to the cost of production, possibly with some discounting for volume users.

    Do pensioners still get free units, or did that morph into some kind of SW Fuel allowance ?

    No they still get it, it's not just pensioners it's some of the unemployed, disabled, and there are others too.
    Zen65 wrote: »
    Do you think it's crazy when your local takeaway says "Minimum order for delivery is €10" even though they add €1.20 when they deliver to you?

    There is a point for any company where the cost of providing a service makes that service uneconomical, and no amount of internal cost reduction can close that gap. Using less than two units a day every day for two months is not being efficient... it's being absent (because it's a holiday home). Users that are connected to the grid ultimately end up reserving capacity from the network operator, but if they don't use it then the investment by the operator is wasted (the connection will not pay for itself).

    You can fix that by increasing the standing charge a little for everyone, or by targeting holiday homes & apartments. Personally I think the latter is the better option; poor people don't have holiday homes.

    Z
    NakedNNettles wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^Totally agree with the above, my take is why should the taxpayer be picking up the tab on running ESB lines into the back of beyonds just so someone can have their dream holiday home that they stay in one weekend a year.

    I have no sympathy on these people, they can afford two houses now let them pay up for the public services too and stop shoving the cost on the rest of us.
    jack presley wrote: »
    Yeah but where are the headlines in the papers going to come from then? How are supposed to rant about chief executive pay, wedding bonuses (that was my favourite) or staff earning over €100k a year?

    Finally a bit of common sense. Anyone who can afford a second house can afford to pay. Those that have FEA are exempt and there are other exemptions too.
    socco wrote: »
    this charge is crazy. They should be focusing on reducing costs internally and not setting minimum prices on usage for customers.

    Cut costs internally? They have an outsourced call centre in Cork. They start on €18,500 rising to €20,500. This 'they make €100,000 each and I'll call Joe Duffy' rabble are just morons looking to make their ****ing ill informed, idiotic thoughts public.


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    #104
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    the groutch wrote: »
    it will be mostly 2nd homes or holiday homes effected, it's almost impossible to live on less than 2 units a day in a property
    It will also hit people with stand alone storage and lock up units.

    It would now pay someone with one of these units to set up a small low voltage LED lighting system and grow their own cannabis and magic mushrooms. :)


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    #105
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    gbee wrote: »
    It's like an episode of the Simpsons, Lisa is all for recycling until she sees what Mr. Burns is really doing.

    It's simple, if you save on fuel or electricity they will increase the price, if you don't use toll roads they take some of your Tax money and give it to the toll company and so on and on ~ electric care are the next biggest racket but their schemes are endless.

    I could tell you that batteries could be manufactured today that could run an electric car for a hundred years, we have abundant energy resources, but it's far more fun to play games and fool the masses.

    Why the **** would it be 'far more fun to play games' when this has generated so much bad PR? They're not trying to fool anyone! It's out there for all to see FFS. Where would you like them to recoup the money? Do have workable solutions other then stupid cartoon based analogies?


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    #106
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    token101 wrote: »
    other then stupid cartoon based analogies?

    TBH, it's not an analogy.


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    #107
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    That is paid for.
    When I built on my site we paid two thousand euro to ESB. I think Eirgrid handle this now.

    Two thousand euro yet the site was right on the road and power lines right there, no fields to be crossed or long distances to be covered

    They don't connect for free you know

    What voltage was it? Most likely it was 10 or 20kv, so the price of the transformer alone is about a grand.


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    #108
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    gbee wrote: »
    TBH, it's not an analogy.

    When you say 'it's like the Simpsons', that's an analogy. A fairly stupid one.


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    #109
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    token101 wrote: »
    When you say 'it's like the Simpsons', that's an analogy. A fairly stupid one.

    My dear friend, history will show who was stupid. I'd also call it a parable. That's a true story but with references to factious characters that also are in fact real.


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