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Shaggy as a pundit

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    #92
    jm08
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    And POM didn't even make the team (which I disagreed with)

    whats that got to do with it . henry (and a few others like tuohy and ruddock) got a chance to impress. kearney junior was the only one who did and the only one who got a look in. they obviously just rate o'mahoney higher and its not correct to claim that henry is hard done by . omahoney looked good when he came on against italy .


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    #93
    overthenest
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 268 ✭✭overthenest


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    11 games this season for Donald injured at the moment
    http://www.bathrugby.com/team/first-fifteen-squad/stephen-donald
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/national-sport/6450691/Injury-gives-Stephen-Donald-chance-for-a-break

    13 games this season for Manning most recently last weekend where he got 80 minutes against Leicster
    http://www.newcastlefalcons.co.uk/player/jeremy-manning[/QUOTE]

    cheers mate, and can you tell me where gavin henson has got to? last i heard he was with the blues, does he get playing much?

    also general question, how many subs are you allowed in rugby? dec kidney seemed to empty the bench last weekend v italy, i thought only five were allowed?

    cheers


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    #94
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    overthenest wrote: »
    cheers mate, and can you tell me where gavin henson has got to? last i heard he was with the blues, does he get playing much?

    also general question, how many subs are you allowed in rugby? dec kidney seemed to empty the bench last weekend v italy, i thought only five were allowed?

    cheers
    You can use all the subs on the bench, 7 or 8 depending on the competition rules

    Henson is with the Blues he was injured till mid december and has played 6 out of 10 games since
    http://www.cardiffblues.com/rugby/blues_squad.php?player=4402&includeref=dynamic


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    #95
    Podge_irl
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    totallegend wrote: »
    I think Emmet Byrne is very balanced, but he's in a minority there.

    I think Emmet Byrne is, and has been for some time, the best pundit out there. He was the highlight of Setanta's ML coverage for me. Surprisingly knowledgeable about things to do with the backs considering he is an ex-prop - had insightful comments on alignment and other things. He also brings his invaluable front row experience to the panel. He always uses his time to explain something in depth and really make a convincing argument. Real shame he's not more prominent. He's bloody excellent.


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    #96
    John_C
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    One thing I like about him is that he's provoked a few actual debates about the merits of different players and tactics.

    That's a huge improvement on Hook and Pope.


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    #97
    touts
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    skregs wrote: »
    So the typical Munster fan view is that the national coach, who spent years working in the Munster set up, is in no way biased because he's a professional just trying to do his job

    By that logic any coach who has ever coached an Irish team or even an Irish player can't coach Ireland :rolleyes:. Kidney isn't the current Munster coach and even when he was there was no evidence that the players were his mates (as Foley, Payne, Stringer etc all found out when time came to drop them for younger players often right before key games like the HEC final). Shaggy is a current Leinster player and is mates with all the Leinster players on the Ireland squad (and probably a few of the Munster and Ulster ones). That's the difference.


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    #98
    irishbucsfan
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    jm08 wrote: »
    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    And POM didn't even make the team (which I disagreed with)

    whats that got to do with it . henry (and a few others like tuohy and ruddock) got a chance to impress. kearney junior was the only one who did and the only one who got a look in. they obviously just rate o'mahoney higher and its not correct to claim that henry is hard done by . omahoney looked good when he came on against italy .
    It is correct to claim Henry is hard done by. If you had seen him play this year you would agree. The outstanding Irish openside at provincial level.

    My point being that if we are looking for a change at openside we should probably look for someone who has actually played there and not an underdeveloped kid who is yet another blindside.

    Here is the logic of some people, obviously lacking in a bit of IQ:

    We have a problem. We are playing a blindside at openside. Let's fix it by getting an inferior blindside with considerably less experience of playing 7. That will add balance!


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    #99
    totallegend
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »

    Here is the logic of some people, obviously lacking in a bit of IQ:

    We have a problem. We are playing a blindside at openside. Let's fix it by getting an inferior blindside with considerably less experience of playing 7. That will add balance!

    But he gets in the opponents' faces, he makes a nuisance of himself and he played one match at 7 in the HC this year! What's your problem??

    Yeah, look you're absolutely right; POM is yet another 6 who is an excellent player and will go on to win many more caps, but there is just no evidence that he can do the job as a 7.
    It's not his fault he's being talked about as the solution to the backrow 'problem'; it's a failing (IMO) of the management that they have this obsession with big physical backrowers, but if you're going to play someone out of position, it might as well be the better, more experienced guy.

    SOB is not playing up to the standards he has set for himself, but swapping him for another blindside is not the solution. Either we leave SOB there and let him adjust to being a 7 like Wallace eventually did, or we bring in the guy from Ulster (yes Deccie, you're allowed pick Ulster guys too).


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    #100
    bamboozle
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    It is correct to claim Henry is hard done by. If you had seen him play this year you would agree. The outstanding Irish openside at provincial level.

    My point being that if we are looking for a change at openside we should probably look for someone who has actually played there and not an underdeveloped kid who is yet another blindside.

    Here is the logic of some people, obviously lacking in a bit of IQ:

    We have a problem. We are playing a blindside at openside. Let's fix it by getting an inferior blindside with considerably less experience of playing 7. That will add balance![/QUOTE]

    in a nutshell...a lot of POM promoters fail to realise that Ronan was munster's starting 7 in the HC until he got injured.


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    #101
    Bearcat
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    #102
    WeeBushy
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    Horgan should be starting at 7.


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    #103
    leftleg
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    WeeBushy wrote: »
    Horgan should be starting at 7.

    I should be starting at 7, but if i don't like it can i change to 8 and hang out on the wing?


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    #104
    thomond2006
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    WeeBushy wrote: »
    Horgan should be starting at 7.

    HORGAN IS NOT AN OPENSIDE FLANKER!


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    #105
    BoardsMember
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    I think Emmet Byrne is, and has been for some time, the best pundit out there. He was the highlight of Setanta's ML coverage for me. Surprisingly knowledgeable about things to do with the backs considering he is an ex-prop - had insightful comments on alignment and other things. He also brings his invaluable front row experience to the panel. He always uses his time to explain something in depth and really make a convincing argument. Real shame he's not more prominent. He's bloody excellent.

    I completely agree, he's brilliant to listen to.


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    #106
    Cardinal Richelieu
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    WeeBushy wrote: »
    What Sheahan does, and the players he represents:

    http://frontrow.ie/page.asp?id=40

    It doesn't say which services individual players avail of, however.

    Isn't Jason Harris Wright with Bristol since the start of the 2011 season? Frankie site still lists him as a Leinster player:o. He also might want to put a photo of Eoin Sheriff in a Saracens jersey and remove his Leinster photo.


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    #107
    overthenest
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 268 ✭✭overthenest


    great coup for connacht in dan parks, i know he is pretty much past it now but he has a wealth of experience and can be a big help to young o connor etc. also he must be the only player to play in ireland england scotland and wales???:confused:


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    #108
    Jemo
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    Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »
    Isn't Jason Harris Wright with Bristol since the start of the 2011 season? Frankie site still lists him as a Leinster player:o. He also might want to put a photo of Eoin Sheriff in a Saracens jersey and remove his Leinster photo.

    Out of Interest, does anyone know how Jason Harris Wright or Eoin Sherrif are getting on over there? Don't particularly follow the premiership


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    #109
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Jemo wrote: »
    Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »
    Isn't Jason Harris Wright with Bristol since the start of the 2011 season? Frankie site still lists him as a Leinster player:o. He also might want to put a photo of Eoin Sheriff in a Saracens jersey and remove his Leinster photo.

    Out of Interest, does anyone know how Jason Harris Wright or Eoin Sherrif are getting on over there? Don't particularly follow the premiership
    Neither playing for their sides. Bristol are in the championship btw


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    #110
    CatFromHue
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    I think Emmet Byrne is, and has been for some time, the best pundit out there. He was the highlight of Setanta's ML coverage for me. Surprisingly knowledgeable about things to do with the backs considering he is an ex-prop - had insightful comments on alignment and other things. He also brings his invaluable front row experience to the panel. He always uses his time to explain something in depth and really make a convincing argument. Real shame he's not more prominent. He's bloody excellent.

    I really like Emmet Byrne too. Setanta's Magners League coverage with him was excellent I thought.

    A couple of weeks ago he was on italksport on Setanta and just looked really really uncomfortable. He had points he wanted to make but couldn't seem to get the words out. I don't know why as I've never seen him like that before. Maybe this is why he's not more prominent.


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    #111
    phog
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I really like Emmet Byrne too. Setanta's Magners League coverage with him was excellent I thought.

    A couple of weeks ago he was on italksport on Setanta and just looked really really uncomfortable. He had points he wanted to make but couldn't seem to get the words out. I don't know why as I've never seen him like that before. Maybe this is why he's not more prominent.

    I thought it was just he didn't like to be hogging the show on just rugby.


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    #112
    CatFromHue
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    phog wrote: »
    I thought it was just he didn't like to be hogging the show on just rugby.

    Sure Kimmage nearly hogs it every week on drugs in sport :pac:

    He seemed to be rushing everything when he didn't need to be, he just looked very nervous which I was surprised at. He was saying that he thought it was time for Kidney to go but just couldn't get his point across why :-(


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    #113
    phog
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Sure Kimmage nearly hogs it every week on drugs in sport :pac:

    He seemed to be rushing everything when he didn't need to be, he just looked very nervous which I was surprised at. He was saying that he thought it was time for Kidney to go but just couldn't get his point across why :-(

    Just goes to show how much I watch it.


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    #114
    Fulton Crown
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    boynesider wrote: »
    Shaggy is a sound man.

    But as a fellow Meath man and a near enough neighbour of his I haven't a clue were hes got that accent from! At least the likes of Kearney can use the excuse that they went off to boarding school

    Yeah..I thought he was very good for a relative rookie and the way he faced down Hook was excellent.

    Only criticism is that he appears to be trying a litel too hard...and that Rugby /D4 accent is fuckin dreadfull irritant.

    All in all excellent start to a punditry career....


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    #115
    galait
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    I seem to be the only one that likes Hook. Since I moved to Spain he's the thing I miss most about February weekends!


    RTE now available (With SKY box with active subscription) using an 80cm dish all over Spain , Recent changes have allowed this to happen and may only last till the year end.

    Some parts used to require a 1.8m dish !

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77143639


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    #116
    Podge_irl
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I really like Emmet Byrne too. Setanta's Magners League coverage with him was excellent I thought.

    A couple of weeks ago he was on italksport on Setanta and just looked really really uncomfortable. He had points he wanted to make but couldn't seem to get the words out. I don't know why as I've never seen him like that before. Maybe this is why he's not more prominent.

    Didn't see that, maybe it was just a once off. I saw many a time on Setanta and he was always excellent. Perhaps he is only good in certain environments, hich would be unfortunate. He appears to have largely dropped off the radar, he's not even on Setanta much anymore. It's such a shame. He is orders of magnitude better then anything RTÉ have.


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    #117
    andrewdcs
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    Fulton Crown wrote: »
    Yeah..I thought he was very good for a relative rookie and the way he faced down Hook was excellent.

    Only criticism is that he appears to be trying a litel too hard...and that Rugby /D4 accent is fuckin dreadfull irritant.

    All in all excellent start to a punditry career....

    He went to school in Drrrroggheda apparently, so could be a lot worse.

    His sister (the comedienne) has the weirdest accent, D4, county, English with a hint of Oireland about it... funny though.


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    #118
    CatFromHue
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Didn't see that, maybe it was just a once off. I saw many a time on Setanta and he was always excellent. Perhaps he is only good in certain environments, hich would be unfortunate. He appears to have largely dropped off the radar, he's not even on Setanta much anymore. It's such a shame. He is orders of magnitude better then anything RTÉ have.

    I hope it was a once off as he is usually very good. He never seemed to relax at all during the show which was unfortunate as he's on other live shows and is very informative.


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