Biggest pitfalls for Irish people in Canada

Yonge Street

I don't know why there is a thread about applying for the IEC visa with 800+ replies. The visa is easy to get and they won't run out till November - guarenteed. Filling out the forms is merely a formality. You should be most concerned about finding a job in Canada. So I've decided to impart some wisdom to those planning to make the leap soon.

1. Don't get on a plane if you don't have a lead to follow on a job.
A lot of recent college graduates get bored on the dole in Ireland and decide to come to Canada to try their luck, with zero experience in their field and no job offers. Bad idea. Use the internet to set up interviews before you even arrive in Canada. Ring companies ahead to enquire. Network to see if a mate's mate can get your foot in the door. I hear too many people say "I'll look for work when I get over there". Famous last words.

2. Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the fu.ck outta there. Great cities to party in if you're on holiday, but there is too much competition for jobs there and it will only get worse coming into the Summer when hundreds of Germans and Brits arrive too (I find the Frenchies and Belgians head for Montreal). Go to the smaller towns. As a general rule, the further North you go, the better chance you have of a landing job.

3. Get an apartment asap.
The hostels are fun but you don't want to get caught up in the party lifestyle and then find yourself broke 3 months later still without a job. Use craigslist to find somewhere to live. Rent can be pretty high in the big cities which is another reason to aim for the small towns.

4. No driver's licence.
This is related to point 2. If you live in the big cities, great - excellent public transport with underground metros and buses. But the cities are not where the work is. To those who want to work in small town Canada (cos that's where the money is) you're gonna need a car. A bunch of housemates could possible work out a car sharing situation.

I'll try to think of more later but these are just a few ideas that popped into my head while reading some of the posts on this forum. Couple of job leads for you in the meantime. Feel free to add.

• http://www.timhortons.com/ca/en/join/team.html Tim Hortons coffee shops are everywhere in Canada. Why not apply? The tips can make it a decent enough wage. Use a fake Canadian address to get your foot in the door. But don't bother applying to the ones in the big cities.

• Engineers get to Alberta asap http://oilsands.infomine.com/careers/

• Fort Mcmurray is a booming oil town. You might get unskilled manual labour work like shovelling snow if you're built like a horse. Definitely worth checking out http://regionalhelpwanted.com/home/330.htm

kiwijbob

Excellent advice above, especially about everyone heading to van or
toronto, great places to party and enjoy the 'life' but for work and
$$$$$... the best opportunities lie in other provinces.... a spirit of
adventure is required.

Do bring original motor insurance details for the last 6 years if you
intend to buy a car and get a licence.... with my insurance details
i got 2,000 CAD off the quote with Aviva.

JohnMearsheimer

I'd agree that people get too caught up in going to Toronto and Vancouver, especially if you're not looking for professional type of work. I was only odd jobbing in Vancouver and didn't get stable employment until I lived out to the sticks in Alberta. Some of the best few months I've ever had were out in the middle of nowhere in Alberta. A lot of people I knew in Vancouver, including some very experienced people, didn't just walk into jobs off the plane. Recent graduates are probably wasting their time in Canada if they have little or no experience in the field they're trying to break into. Of course that doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a go but don't be getting your hopes up.

HavingCrack

While I get the OP's point living in places like Fort McMurray and the Oil Sands is definately not for everyone-big drug and alcohol abuse problems up there (may have improved in recent years) and freezing cold temperatures, even for Canada.

Also if you're a graduate I presume you'd be looking for professional type work-hence Toronto, Calgary and Montreal are the places to go. If you want to advance your career northern Canada isn't the place to do it unless you're an engineer or mining specialist etc.

ICANN

What's Canada like for people heading over alone- is it easy to meet people etc?

kiwijbob

http://www.jobclassified.ca/ might be of interest to some.

as far as meeting people goes... well it isn't the dark side of the moon, people
are very friendly generally wherever you go in the country, I have to admit that
I find they're amazingly friendly in Atlantic Canada. If you're on your own the
www.meetup.com website has been recommended to me numerous times.
Opportunities wise there are plenty of other opportunities outside engineering
or mining specialists although you're off to a good start if thats your gig!! if
you're corporate stick to corporate cities i guess is the point? as far as the
weather goes well that seems to be a personal issue, as far as I'm concerned
it's fine, dress appropriately and you won't ever get cold.:cool:

jjbrien

Yonge Street wrote: »

2. Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the fu.ck outta there. Great cities to party in if you're on holiday, but there is too much competition for jobs there and it will only get worse coming into the Summer when hundreds of Germans and Brits arrive too (I find the Frenchies and Belgians head for Montreal). Go to the smaller towns. As a general rule, the further North you go, the better chance you have of a landing job.

I disagree with this statement. I headed for Toronto and got my dream job now. I heard Vancover is bad. I seen so many Irish here who arrive in Toronto fall into a few pit falls u mentioned. They dont get out of the hostel they are staying in fast..... they stay there and drink their brains out and then wake up the next day too wrecked to be able to go look for work or a place to live so they just keep going around and around in that cycle.

Frei

1. Don't get on a plane if you don't have a lead to follow on a job.
A lot of recent college graduates get bored on the dole in Ireland and decide to come to Canada to try their luck, with zero experience in their field and no job offers. Bad idea. Use the internet to set up interviews before you even arrive in Canada. Ring companies ahead to enquire. Network to see if a mate's mate can get your foot in the door. I hear too many people say "I'll look for work when I get over there". Famous last words.

It's not that easy to find a job before you go. Believe me I did try. I came here with no job planned and I was fine. As long as you take what you can get while you get yourself setup there is no problem. Plenty of jobs in shops, hotels, restaurants,etc. You just have to chin up and not be picky. Also, if you have no experience in your career path, and you can't get it in Ireland, what are you supposed to do then? People also take you more seriously when you have a Canadian address and you can meet them face to face. I think this advice has to be taken with a pinch of salt, as it is not feasible for everyone.

namrod28

Frei wrote: »

It's not that easy to find a job before you go. Believe me I did try. I came here with no job planned and I was fine. As long as you take what you can get while you get yourself setup there is no problem. Plenty of jobs in shops, hotels, restaurants,etc. You just have to chin up and not be picky. Also, if you have no experience in your career path, and you can't get it in Ireland, what are you supposed to do then? People also take you more seriously when you have a Canadian address and you can meet them face to face. I think this advice has to be taken with a pinch of salt, as it is not feasible for everyone.

Couldn't agree more with you here frei will be making my way out to friends this year myself who have gone out and done the same as you.Everyones experience is different to be honest i certainly wouldnt take everything that the first poster has said as definite.I do agree though to be more prepared before you go.Not talking from experience but from people who i know that have been living n canada and some are residents.

Yonge Street

Frei wrote: »

It's not that easy to find a job before you go. Believe me I did try. I came here with no job planned and I was fine. As long as you take what you can get while you get yourself setup there is no problem. Plenty of jobs in shops, hotels, restaurants,etc. You just have to chin up and not be picky. Also, if you have no experience in your career path, and you can't get it in Ireland, what are you supposed to do then? People also take you more seriously when you have a Canadian address and you can meet them face to face. I think this advice has to be taken with a pinch of salt, as it is not feasible for everyone.

Fair enough Frei. Glad things worked out for you though. I see you're in Edmonton - good choice of a city with plenty of trade work. The hordes of Irish haven't descended upon there yet. Did you originally fly into Edmonton or did you search for work in Toronto/Vancouver first? Also what's your line of work if you don't mind me asking.

If any Irish people planning to come over soon have mates or relatives already in Canada, use their address or phone number to apply for jobs. Once you have an interview lined up in Canada, you can walk off the plane in confidence knowing you're not completely stumbling around in the dark.

Yonge Street

Also beware that the next batch of the 2012 IEC visas will be coming through in the next few weeks so Toronto and Vancouver will be overrun by Irish for the Summer. It'll be like the 33rd county. Competition will shoot up so that's why you need the edge by having interviews set up before you arrive if possible.

ciaran67

Not to mention you need a large slice of luck.

Frei

Yonge Street wrote: »

Fair enough Frei. Glad things worked out for you though. I see you're in Edmonton - good choice of a city with plenty of trade work. The hordes of Irish haven't descended upon there yet. Did you originally fly into Edmonton or did you search for work in Toronto/Vancouver first? Also what's your line of work if you don't mind me asking.

If any Irish people planning to come over soon have mates or relatives already in Canada, use their address or phone number to apply for jobs. Once you have an interview lined up in Canada, you can walk off the plane in confidence knowing you're not completely stumbling around in the dark.

I'm a graduate biomedical scientist, yup, I flew straight in to Edmonton. Worked in a ****ty job while I studied for my certification to be allowed to work here as a med lab technologist (as they call it here). Won't know my results for a month so in the mean time thinking of going to Vancouver, now that I am a bit used to living here. Yeah Edmonton is great for the trades, if you are a hard working guy with a driving license there are plenty of jobs around here that will pay well. Pretty much construction going on 24/7.

I agree about everyone concentrating on Van and Toronto. It really makes no sense when those places are so competitive. But then again I guess another reason is that these places are more vibrant than the other cities. If I had good enough French I would be in Montreal in a shot. Edmonton wouldn't be the most attractive of cities.

FreeAnd..

Yonge Street wrote: »

I don't know why there is a thread about applying for the IEC visa with 800+ replies. The visa is easy to get and they won't run out till November - guarenteed. Filling out the forms is merely a formality. You should be most concerned about finding a job in Canada. So I've decided to impart some wisdom to those planning to make the leap soon.

1. Don't get on a plane if you don't have a lead to follow on a job.
A lot of recent college graduates get bored on the dole in Ireland and decide to come to Canada to try their luck, with zero experience in their field and no job offers. Bad idea. Use the internet to set up interviews before you even arrive in Canada. Ring companies ahead to enquire. Network to see if a mate's mate can get your foot in the door. I hear too many people say "I'll look for work when I get over there". Famous last words.

2. Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the fu.ck outta there. Great cities to party in if you're on holiday, but there is too much competition for jobs there and it will only get worse coming into the Summer when hundreds of Germans and Brits arrive too (I find the Frenchies and Belgians head for Montreal). Go to the smaller towns. As a general rule, the further North you go, the better chance you have of a landing job.

3. Get an apartment asap.
The hostels are fun but you don't want to get caught up in the party lifestyle and then find yourself broke 3 months later still without a job. Use craigslist to find somewhere to live. Rent can be pretty high in the big cities which is another reason to aim for the small towns.

4. No driver's licence.
This is related to point 2. If you live in the big cities, great - excellent public transport with underground metros and buses. But the cities are not where the work is. To those who want to work in small town Canada (cos that's where the money is) you're gonna need a car. A bunch of housemates could possible work out a car sharing situation.

I'll try to think of more later but these are just a few ideas that popped into my head while reading some of the posts on this forum. Couple of job leads for you in the meantime. Feel free to add.

• http://www.timhortons.com/ca/en/join/team.html Tim Hortons coffee shops are everywhere in Canada. Why not apply? The tips can make it a decent enough wage. Use a fake Canadian address to get your foot in the door. But don't bother applying to the ones in the big cities.

• Engineers get to Alberta asap http://oilsands.infomine.com/careers/

• Fort Mcmurray is a booming oil town. You might get unskilled manual labour work like shovelling snow if you're built like a horse. Definitely worth checking out http://regionalhelpwanted.com/home/330.htm

To be honest - ignore points 1 & 2 - you will find it very hard to sort a job before you arrive in any location (and thats usually the case everywhere in the world...unless its exremely skilled work on a permanent basis)

As for Toronto, its a large city and is no way over run with Irish...i've been here 6 months and I have met less than a handful of Irish people (outside of the time we went to McVeighs for the rugby)...probably a different story if you work in construction but I cant comment on that...

Also, as stated...if living in a city you dont need the extra expense of a car...so why outlay that expense if you dont have work secured?

100% agree with point 3...just make sure you pick a good location well served by transport

Also, do people tip on Tim Hortons? They're the Canadian Coffee equvalent of McDonalds

DazzlerIE

Describing Vancouver as overrun with Irish is a bit OTT I think

Not that many here at all

Competition for jobs is huge though, I wouldn't be coming here expecting to get a job in your chosen field easily

I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable

Coll79

Frei wrote: »

if you are a hard working guy with a driving license there are plenty of jobs around here that will pay well. Pretty much construction going on 24/7

Are you using an Irish driving license or did you apply and do a test over there.

C@non

ICANN wrote: »

What's Canada like for people heading over alone- is it easy to meet people etc?

Just join a course in something you love and you will make friends fast.. but rely only on your self as sometimes.....well 50 % of times people let you down.. its just how they are here.. they change plan at the last moment but you will eventually learn to keep the good people close by!

jjbrien

C@non wrote: »

Just join a course in something you love and you will make friends fast.. but rely only on your self as sometimes.....well 50 % of times people let you down.. its just how they are here.. they change plan at the last moment but you will eventually learn to keep the good people close by!

im still struggling with this myself hard to keep friends here.... met one guy at my old job here was friends with him and he seemed to back away from me after xmas i dont get some people here sometimes

ciaran67

DazzlerIE wrote: »

Describing Vancouver as overrun with Irish is a bit OTT I think

Not that many here at all

Competition for jobs is huge though, I wouldn't be coming here expecting to get a job in your chosen field easily

I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable

What media? Where are you working mate? I used to work for the Vancouver Courier.

DazzlerIE

ciaran67 wrote: »

What media? Where are you working mate? I used to work for the Vancouver Courier.

Just working full-time for a website in the travel industry here looking after their content and SEO, nothing too exciting! Pays the bills really, and that's all you can ask in such an expensive city!

ciaran67

DazzlerIE wrote: »

Just working full-time for a website in the travel industry here looking after their content and SEO, nothing too exciting! Pays the bills really, and that's all you can ask in such an expensive city!

Funny enough thats what my wife does. She did the same at Elverys in Mayo. Any work jobs going?

DazzlerIE

ciaran67 wrote: »

Funny enough thats what my wife does. She did the same at Elverys in Mayo. Any work jobs going?

ha, cool!

None at the mo unfortunately, it's a pretty small operation, but they did say they were finding it hard to find people with content management experience in Vancouver, so could be some opportunities here for people who have experience in it, and SEO

Frei

Coll79 wrote: »

Are you using an Irish driving license or did you apply and do a test over there.

I can't drive at all there are a few threads on this forum talking about it though.

retalivity

jjbrien wrote: »

im still struggling with this myself hard to keep friends here.... met one guy at my old job here was friends with him and he seemed to back away from me after xmas i dont get some people here sometimes

I hear what youre saying. I have found that the majority of canadians are either really dull or really weird.

beano345

retalivity wrote: »

I hear what youre saying. I have found that the majority of canadians are either really dull or really weird.

and sometimes your own countrymen are the best/worst to you over here,be carefull working for some of them they will try and exploit you

ciaran67

DazzlerIE wrote: »

ha, cool!

None at the mo unfortunately, it's a pretty small operation, but they did say they were finding it hard to find people with content management experience in Vancouver, so could be some opportunities here for people who have experience in it, and SEO

If you hear anything give us a shout Daz. Appreciate it mate.

galwaygal27

Hoping to get a job in accounting and my other half a job in IT. Fingers crossed.:D

supernova84

Big demand for Irish Workers Western Canada

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0226/jobs.html

CliodhnaB

DazzlerIE wrote: »

Describing Vancouver as overrun with Irish is a bit OTT I think

Not that many here at all

Competition for jobs is huge though, I wouldn't be coming here expecting to get a job in your chosen field easily

I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable

Couldnt agree with you more.. I dont think there are many Irish here at all.

The thing is the Irish come over with expectations that they will find a job and a house all in a few days and its really the wrong thing to go by.. Its not easy at all. You cant be picky in finding a job.. And Experience is a must.

RB100

[QUOTE=DazzlerIE;
I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable[/QUOTE]


Haha what are the chances of seeing you in this random thread. Its like Me and you go on to all the same threads cus I've seen you on the fantasy football one and another random one. Weird...

But I was gonna ask you are the many jobs in Multimedia or jobs in similar field over there cus I'm gonna be doing Creative Design Media next year in college and will prob end up emigrating

ciaran67

RB100 wrote: »

Haha what are the chances of seeing you in this random thread. Its like Me and you go on to all the same threads cus I've seen you on the fantasy football one and another random one. Weird...

But I was gonna ask you are the many jobs in Multimedia or jobs in similar field over there cus I'm gonna be doing Creative Design Media next year in college and will prob end up emigrating

Vancouver is full of unemployed Graphic Designers, like me. They see our age and experience and see dollar signs. Check out craigslist in their media section. Loads of jobs just loads of people going for them.

Ive got another interview at a printers on Monday. Ive already got a job starting Tuesday at the airport doing something completely different.

Long Term Louth

Is there much work for health and safety officers in construction and where is the best place to go regards temperature etc?

red menace

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job-search/health-and-safety-jobs?ak=health+and+safety&lg=en is a good place to start looking

Also try kijiji.com and Monster.ca

Temperature wise in general the further south in Canada you go the less cold it is and also close to the coasts.

Personally the cold weather doesnt phase me too much been out when it -30 and was OK.
It's all about dressing for the weather. Layers and windproof jackets will be your best friends

adamski8

Frei wrote: »

I'm a graduate biomedical scientist, yup, I flew straight in to Edmonton. Worked in a ****ty job while I studied for my certification to be allowed to work here as a med lab technologist (as they call it here).

what cert is that? and why did you have to do it?

bertiboi9

Hi all,
I am thinking of heading over soon,I have recently graduated with an honours civil engineering degree from nuig,and would love to get a job in the mines if at all possible,i have experience with regards to construction and always worked on smallish projects on my time off and am currently doing so..
I would be very grateful for any help one could give me with regards to getting in to the mines or if anybody could get me in the back door,look after the irish haha!!
hope to hear back folks,thanks!!

seb65

bertiboi9 wrote: »

Hi all,
I am thinking of heading over soon,I have recently graduated with an honours civil engineering degree from nuig,and would love to get a job in the mines if at all possible,i have experience with regards to construction and always worked on smallish projects on my time off and am currently doing so..
I would be very grateful for any help one could give me with regards to getting in to the mines or if anybody could get me in the back door,look after the irish haha!!
hope to hear back folks,thanks!!

The mines in Labrador were looking for skilled workers last month. Try Labrador/Wabush mines or Thompson, Manitoba.

You might find people saying Labrador is cold, but it's a dry, windless cold, so it's not as bad as one might think. There's a wonderful sense of community there too.

Job link:

https://riotinto.taleo.net/careersection/4/jobdetail.ftl?job=550395&src=JB-12482

bertiboi9

thanks for your help mate!!
i have applied so heres hoping!!
cheers..

ciaran67

ICANN wrote: »

What's Canada like for people heading over alone- is it easy to meet people etc?

More depends on what you're like, mate

Kippure

The Biggest Pitfall for Irish people in canada at the moment is DRINK.

I,ve lost Count on how many lads have been lifted for drunk and disorderly, Drugs, J-Walking and fighting etc.

If your young stay away from the party scene I,m not saying dont enjoy yourself but look out for yourself.

The are irish people Throwing away massive oppurtunitys for themselves by ****ing it up through DRINK.

ToniTuddle

Yonge Street wrote: »

1. Don't get on a plane if you don't have a lead to follow on a job.
A lot of recent college graduates get bored on the dole in Ireland and decide to come to Canada to try their luck, with zero experience in their field and no job offers. Bad idea. Use the internet to set up interviews before you even arrive in Canada. Ring companies ahead to enquire. Network to see if a mate's mate can get your foot in the door. I hear too many people say "I'll look for work when I get over there". Famous last words.

2. Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the fu.ck outta there. Great cities to party in if you're on holiday, but there is too much competition for jobs there and it will only get worse coming into the Summer when hundreds of Germans and Brits arrive too (I find the Frenchies and Belgians head for Montreal). Go to the smaller towns. As a general rule, the further North you go, the better chance you have of a landing job.

Have to say I disagree with ya on these two points!

My mates landed out here and found jobs and apartments no bother. In fact the two lads have been promoted already and they aren't in a specific skilled based job. The other friend walked straight into a second job after her first one finished up. They didn't research anything or have anything planned out or interviews set up.

As for Irish? I've only met one other Irish person and that's because he lives in a apartment near us. Even the Irish bars I've been in have been filled with Canadians! Haven't seen a GAA jersey since I landed.

lydiac

I agree Van is a really hard place to find a job, ended up living in van and working in Richmond which was a total nightmare Canada line and 2 buses later, but a jobs a job.

As for the Irish the place was crawling with them, even had special nights in clubs on Granville for us Irish. If you wanna stay away from Irish steer clear of UBC/Kits and its surrounding areas!!

Took a trip down to Pentiction in Okanagan Valley, Fuel was so expensive stay away from buying a car!!

But British Columbia .... what a beautiful place

ciaran67

lydiac wrote: »

I agree Van is a really hard place to find a job, ended up living in van and working in Richmond which was a total nightmare Canada line and 2 buses later, but a jobs a job.

As for the Irish the place was crawling with them, even had special nights in clubs on Granville for us Irish. If you wanna stay away from Irish steer clear of UBC/Kits and its surrounding areas!!

Took a trip down to Pentiction in Okanagan Valley, Fuel was so expensive stay away from buying a car!!

But British Columbia .... what a beautiful place

Its only 1.21 a litre?

Mind you, got petrol outside Everett in Washington on Sunday and 7 bucks cheaper to fill up over that side.

Go to Penticton in summer and sit by the lake - its boiling. Love Penticton in summer.

V8_man

lydiac wrote: »

Took a trip down to Pentiction in Okanagan Valley, Fuel was so expensive stay away from buying a car!!

were you driving a cement truck? Fuel is far cheaper than in Ireland and the roads are better. Long distances, yes, but no excuse not to own a car. You won't get as much out of the Canadian experience if you don't, just my 2c. Penticton is beautiful but try and make it to Osoyoos, it's like Mexico in Summer there. And there's lots of seasonal work on wine and berry farms too, if you're into that sort of thing.

bstar

99cent a litre I paid today in Edmonton been hoovering about 104 for us for a while.

sethasaurus

If you're a heavy-drinking Irishman, please don't get on the plane to anywhere.

CobhLanger

Can any body tell me whats the story with heading to Canada for work and converting your Irish Licence or been able to use it as is?

I have a car + trailor Cat BE
Truck not exceeding 7,500 kg Cat C1
Transit bus up to sixteen passengers Cat D1
Tractor Cat W

Also Any Ideas on what they'll be on a Canadian Driving Licence as alot of jobs require certain canadian driving licence cat

Thanks

irishjig69b

What if your going with a young family?

ciaran67

ciaran67 wrote: »

Its only 1.21 a litre?

Mind you, got petrol outside Everett in Washington on Sunday and 7 bucks cheaper to fill up over that side.

Go to Penticton in summer and sit by the lake - its boiling. Love Penticton in summer.

Haa 1.51 now.

astonaidan

Is there any reason why ye hate meeting Irish, I found it was the same in Sydney.
Granted I didnt meet much Irish but I was always happy enough when I did

montreal2011

I'm guessing that it's excess alcohol consumption! :pac: Canadians like to drink, and many drink a lot, but most don't.

It's not like the drinking scene that you often see in Ireland, where people go out to get fukt; they go out to socialise and enjoy the company and conversation of others; skulling pints and vodka red bull is not the focus!

It's rare to see them fight or get agressive when they drink a lot. To be honest, it's a completely different civilisation!

In over two years I have seen one alcohol related fight, and only one time saw someone ejected from a bar for being too drunk, and he left without a fuss once he was asked! I had never before seen a drunk person accept so calmly that they had too much to drink and should go home! :pac:

Sunshine87

montreal2011 wrote: »

I'm guessing that it's excess alcohol consumption! :pac: Canadians like to drink, and many drink a lot, but most don't.

It's not like the drinking scene that you often see in Ireland, where people go out to get fukt; they go out to socialise and enjoy the company and conversation of others; skulling pints and vodka red bull is not the focus!

It's rare to see them fight or get agressive when they drink a lot. To be honest, it's a completely different civilisation!

In over two years I have seen one alcohol related fight, and only one time saw someone ejected from a bar for being too drunk, and he left without a fuss once he was asked! I had never before seen a drunk person accept so calmly that they had too much to drink and should go home! :pac:

I agree - I have not seen any fights outside of bars, and i've been to a fair few in Toronto Plus I haven't really met many Irish people here tbh, only the ones i live with and organize to meet with, other than that i could go weeks and weeks without bumping into another Irish person, even in an Irish bar!

It's a big city, and there's no real area where all the Irish live, which is a good thing imo, as you get to meet more Canadians that way.