freesat in the news

John mac

they are going to be talking about freesat on Matt cooper (todayfm) this evening.

if anyone is interested..

Cesium Clock

http://media.todayfm.com/listenback/98/tuesday/2/popup

tuesday part 2

approx 37 mins in.

Adrian Weckler (business post)
Tony Moore (satellite.ie)

twinklerunner

Cesium Clock wrote: »

http://media.todayfm.com/listenback/98/tuesday/2/popup

tuesday part 2

approx 37 mins in.

Adrian Weckler (business post)
Tony Moore (satellite.ie)

When Tony spoke about the number of channels on Freesat, he didn't clarify that they include 18 regions of BBC1, 4 regions of BBC2, as well as numerous regions of ITV1, Channel 4 & Channel 5. Hardly transparent.

greendom

Anything interesting to report ?

ftakeith

Cesium Clock wrote: »

http://media.todayfm.com/listenback/98/tuesday/2/popup

tuesday part 2

approx 37 mins in.

Adrian Weckler (business post)
Tony Moore (satellite.ie)

Tony was more useful than adrian

STB

Was it just me or was Weckler a little too Sky UPC leaning ? Lets face it UPC / Sky Sports is neither 30 or 40 euros, it is packaged with other basic packages which you MUST buy.

Cooper thought there was something illegal about the dish being yours when you have exited Sky's contract!

YAY for Combo boxes.....

Here is the Chopped audio from that webstream.

twinklerunner

STB wrote: »

Was it just me or was Weckler a little too Sky UPC leaning ? Lets face it UPC / Sky Sports is neither 30 or 40 euros, it is packaged with other basic packages which you MUST buy.

Cooper thought there was something illegal about the dish being yours when you have exited Sky's contract!

YAY for Combo boxes.....

Here is the Chopped audio from that webstream.

Just listening to the interview, I thought in future I mustn't get so taken in by other interviews & interviewees on this show if other subjects and experts are treated in the same way, ie: fairly lightly and almost misinformed in certain regards

watty

People own and are responsible for ALL the Sky gear from the day it's installed. People never own the UPC MMDS dish or box or remote.

I don't know why Adrian Weckler gets these interviews.

watty

twinklerunner wrote: »

When Tony spoke about the number of channels on Freesat, he didn't clarify that they include 18 regions of BBC1, 4 regions of BBC2, as well as numerous regions of ITV1, Channel 4 & Channel 5. Hardly transparent.

That would be needless detail. People generally only interested in one region.

twinklerunner

watty wrote: »

That would be needless detail. People generally only interested in one region.

No, you're missing my point. He was selling Freesat on the basis that there are 130 free channels available, but a huge number of these channels are just regional variations of BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, ITV1+1, C4, C4+1, C5 etc etc

watty

There are possibly over 200 free TV channels and 70 Radio.

It could be that only 40 to 50 of the TV and 10 of the radio interest most people. I think it wasn't an unreasonable claim. Over half the UPC and Sky channels get less than 0.1% viewing. Sky1 under 2%.

So in context of comparison with UPC/Sky claiming a 130 channels isn't unreasonable.

swoofer

anything on today fm that includes adrian weckler I immediately switch off, waste of time listening to him, surprised Today Fm haven't twigged.

campo

I am all for FreeSat but as a sports fan it is not really an option to me but if the day comes that somehow you can subscribe to Sports on a FreeSat service then I would get it at that stage

watty

Subscribe on a Freesat service is an oxymoron.

If you want Sky Sports you need Sky or UPC. However people that have it watch it less than 2% of the time. Perhaps visiting the Pub occasionally would be cheaper. There is a lot of Rugby and Football between all the free channels ( TG4, RTE, S4C, BBC, ITV, C4 etc)

Do you mean Sport or Premiership circus?

campo

watty wrote: »

Subscribe on a Freesat service is an oxymoron.

If you want Sky Sports you need Sky or UPC. However people that have it watch it less than 2% of the time. Perhaps visiting the Pub occasionally would be cheaper. There is a lot of Rugby and Football between all the free channels ( TG4, RTE, S4C, BBC, ITV, C4 etc)

Do you mean Sport or Premiership circus?

I mean premiership circus and not a drinker so not a big fan of pubs ,
Maybe one day FTA will be able to broadcast premiership on a PPV platform

Crackity Jones

watty wrote: »

Subscribe on a Freesat service is an oxymoron.

If you want Sky Sports you need Sky or UPC. However people that have it watch it less than 2% of the time. Perhaps visiting the Pub occasionally would be cheaper. There is a lot of Rugby and Football between all the free channels ( TG4, RTE, S4C, BBC, ITV, C4 etc)

Do you mean Sport or Premiership circus?

For those of us with kids we can't just all hop to the pub at the drop of a hat so it's not really a feasible alternative never mind the cost of the drink be it alcohol or the soft stuff!

I would be interested to know how that 2% statistic is arrived at. Sky sports would be one of our most watched channels.

watty

BARB in UK and Nielsen in Ireland.

STB

Crackity Jones wrote: »

For those of us with kids we can't just all hop to the pub at the drop of a hat so it's not really a feasible alternative never mind the cost of the drink be it alcohol or the soft stuff!

I would be interested to know how that 2% statistic is arrived at. Sky sports would be one of our most watched channels.

Channel Share research is conducted by AGB Nielsen. It is mainly of interest to the stations themselves but also a very important tool used by advertisers.

You are assuming that across all households everyone has the same viewing habits as yourself. Not everyone can afford or are interested in Sky Sports. This is reflected consistently in the actual market share each year.

Sky Sports Channels Market Share in 2011 was less than 1% for each channel on multichannel figures

Sky Sports 1 0.8%
Sky Sports 2 0.5%

By comparison RTE1 commands a multichannel market share of 29.1%. I have the figures for National, Multichannel day and nightime. Sky Sports is not on the radar. What is surprising is that of the majority channels watched are those that are free to air (RTE, Tv3, RTE2, BBC, UTV, Ch4 etc) and that is measured across all platforms, beit Sky/UPC/or free to air within Ireland. Infact 9 out of the Top 10 are free to air, yet people pay subscription companies to view them! So the marketing of the Sky's and UPC's of this world is quite effective in the brainwashing department. Majority of punters are beginning to cop onto this as they look for bills to cut. But I strongly suspect that there is a strong lobby to prevent this type of word getting out especially in the papers in any coherent way, outside technical fora!

Crackity Jones

STB wrote: »

Channel Share research is conducted by AGB Nielsen. It is mainly of interest to the stations themselves but also a very important tool used by advertisers.

You are assuming that across all households everyone has the same viewing habits as yourself. Not everyone can afford or are interested in Sky Sports. This is reflected consistently in the actual market share each year.

Sky Sports Channels Market Share in 2011 was less than 1% for each channel on multichannel figures

Sky Sports 1 0.8%
Sky Sports 2 0.5%

By comparison RTE1 commands a multichannel market share of 29.1%. I have the figures for National, Multichannel day and nightime. Sky Sports is not on the radar. What is surprising is that of the majority channels watched are those that are free to air (RTE, Tv3, RTE2, BBC, UTV, Ch4 etc) and that is measured across all platforms, beit Sky/UPC/or free to air within Ireland. Infact 9 out of the Top 10 are free to air, yet people pay subscription companies to view them! So the marketing of the Sky's and UPC's of this world is quite effective in the brainwashing department. Majority of punters are beginning to cop onto this as they look for bills to cut. But I strongly suspect that there is a strong lobby to prevent this type of word getting out especially in the papers in any coherent way, outside technical fora!

I know the sky channels have low overall market share but I was referring moreso to watty's comment that those who have sky sports watch it less than two percent of the time. I find this interesting, bizarre even, as to why one would opt into sky sports and then hardly ever watch it!

watty

Because you have it for important matches. Sky sports could most important viewing for you. But compared to the amount of hours the TV is watched in the household a small percentage.

But what did people do before Premiership and Sky Sports?

It's simple. Everyone should boycott the terribly overpriced Sky Sports. The price of the rights will drop because Sky would be uninterested. The crazy money would stop and players get paid sensible salaries. Football would improve and be Free To Air.

People being prepared to pay the crazy money for such a small amount of viewing creates a massive distortion.

Tony

twinklerunner wrote: »

No, you're missing my point. He was selling Freesat on the basis that there are 130 free channels available, but a huge number of these channels are just regional variations of BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, ITV1+1, C4, C4+1, C5 etc etc

Firstly I was selling nothing and secondly the interview lasts only minutes and quite understandably the producer does not want it getting bogged down with irrelevancies. Think you need to get a grip there chief.

Frank Black

Crackity Jones wrote: »

For those of us with kids we can't just all hop to the pub at the drop of a hat so it's not really a feasible alternative never mind the cost of the drink be it alcohol or the soft stuff!

I would be interested to know how that 2% statistic is arrived at. Sky sports would be one of our most watched channels.

If you have a decent broadband connection you could subscribe to someone like liveonlinefooty.com and get all your premiership matches for £6 every 2 months. The quality may not be as good as a Sky Subscription, but it's very watchable, even on a 40inch tv.
I've got Saorview, FreeSat and Liveonlinefooty and am saving a fortune over what I was paying with UPC a couple of years ago, and I get to watch all the football I like (the wife and kids let me).

campo

watty wrote: »

Because you have it for important matches. Sky sports could most important viewing for you. But compared to the amount of hours the TV is watched in the household a small percentage.

But what did people do before Premiership and Sky Sports?

It's simple. Everyone should boycott the terribly overpriced Sky Sports. The price of the rights will drop because Sky would be uninterested. The crazy money would stop and players get paid sensible salaries. Football would improve and be Free To Air.

People being prepared to pay the crazy money for such a small amount of viewing creates a massive distortion.

Very true but it would take a mass movement of people cancelling there Sky Sports and keeping it cancelled for a significant amount of time for this to happen and been honest this is never going to happen
On a personal note my only luxury in life is my Sky Sports and im sure there is plenty out there like me ( and I only watch it for a couple of hours a week )

campo

black francis wrote: »

If you have a decent broadband connection you could subscribe to someone like liveonlinefooty.com and get all your premiership matches for £6 every 2 months. The quality may not be as good as a Sky Subscription, but it's very watchable, even on a 40inch tv.
I've got Saorview, FreeSat and Liveonlinefooty and am saving a fortune over what I was paying with UPC a couple of years ago, and I get to watch all the football I like (the wife and kids let me).

I live in the sticks and I have Eircom need I say more

FRIENDO

watty wrote: »

But what did people do before Premiership and Sky Sports?

The Match on UTV/ITV on a Sunday, brings back great memories.:)

FRIENDO

campo wrote: »

I live in the sticks and I have Eircom need I say more

Match of the Day highlights for me for the premership and Sportscene highlights on BBC Scotland for SPL.

Cantona's Collars

campo wrote: »

Very true but it would take a mass movement of people cancelling there Sky Sports and keeping it cancelled for a significant amount of time for this to happen and been honest this is never going to happen
On a personal note my only luxury in life is my Sky Sports and im sure there is plenty out there like me ( and I only watch it for a couple of hours a week )

+1, If I went to the pub for every Manchester United game that was televised it would cost a fortune,nobody is going to sit in a pub and drink tap water.Even if a game is on both Sky or TV3 I'll opt for Sky,the commentary & punditry on TV3 is dire.

I posted before that the high viewing figures for FTA is skewed by the vast amounts who watch soaps,depending on certain storylines the figures can hit 10 million in the UK and a huge % over here also.

Back on topic,everytime there's an article or interview with someone regarding Freesat we end up with misinformation or some eejit who doesn't know what he's talking about (Tony excepted from this)
Look at how many posts we see here along the lines of "I have a Skydish,should I swap it for a Freesat one" or " I have Sky,do I need to move my dish for Freesat?", half baked comments in the media don't help and just add to the confusion.

Frank Black

campo wrote: »

I live in the sticks and I have Eircom need I say more

I've a 7MB connection - can you not get that with Eircom down the country?

Cantona's Collars

black francis wrote: »

I've a 7MB connection - can you not get that with Eircom down the country?

:pac::pac::pac: You'd be lucky to get dialup speeds in parts with Eircom.

Besides,that site that was mentioned earlier is illegal and shouldn't really be mentioned here.

campo

black francis wrote: »

I've a 7MB connection - can you not get that with Eircom down the country?

Well im getting billed for a "up to " 8mb connection at best im getting 3mb and streaming anything on that line especially footie is painfull

STB

What do you mean ?

Audience measurement is nearly uniform these days. The likes of Nielsen are using [url=Unitam http://www.agbnielsen.com/products/unitam.asp]Unitam[/url] metering.

The 5 year contract in Ireland that AGB have with Behaviour & Attitudes is worth €25m. Its well researched process I would imagine that factors in any type "skew".

The figures I quoted above are Irish viewing figures not UK viewing figures. The figures have been very consistent over the last number of years in channel watching.

The point is people watching Sky Sports is not significant, they would show up in channel share daytime or nighttime if that was the case.

NewHillel

STB wrote: »

Channel Share research is conducted by AGB Nielsen...

What is surprising is that of the majority channels watched are those that are free to air (RTE, Tv3, RTE2, BBC, UTV, Ch4 etc) and that is measured across all platforms, beit Sky/UPC/or free to air within Ireland. Infact 9 out of the Top 10 are free to air, yet people pay subscription companies to view them! So the marketing of the Sky's and UPC's of this world is quite effective in the brainwashing department. Majority of punters are beginning to cop onto this as they look for bills to cut. But I strongly suspect that there is a strong lobby to prevent this type of word getting out especially in the papers in any coherent way, outside technical fora!

I believe that there are three reasons:

• Ease of Use
• Inertia
• Ease of Use

The recession will sort out no 2, but not 1 or 3.

This is why I believe that Combo boxes offer by far the best solution for customer and installers alike.
I don't believe it matters that much whether, or not, it is Saorview certified, once there is at least a minimal EPG for the Irish channels.
(Though it would be a 'nice to have' feature.)

IMO, a bigger issue is Freesat certification, just in case there are widespread changes to channel lineups, after the ASO in the UK.

My thinking is simple:

1. There is likely to be much less frequency churn with digital terrestrial and users are already familiar having to add in terrestrial channels manually, on the rare occasions that this might be necessary.

2. Consumers interested in FTA UK channels will want the facility to record as wide a range/choice of program's, as possible, using an EPG. With few exceptions, program's broadcast on Irish DTH, will also be available on the UK channels, plus many more. Hence the recording priority, to the extent that priority is required, is for Freesat, rather than Saorview.

(Sits back and waits for the howl's of protest from the 'you should only use a certified Saorview box, from a member of the ISAA', trade lobby. end/)

Cantona's Collars

Doesn't mask the fact that an average of 4 hours virtually every evening are dedicated to soap operas which have a massive following and dominate FTA channels scheduling.Even when the soaps aren't on we are fed a diet of reality tv at the weekends,as soon as one series comes to an end we get another again with high viewing figure which I personally hope collapses some day so we go back to having some decent stuff made.

Take RTE for example,any of the decent imported stuff is stuck into the graveyard shift and doesn't get the viewing figures it should meanwhile the same stuff is shown on primetime tv on other channels such as Living or FX.
Perhaps RTE could have another channel on Saorview dedicated to these shows,surely they have the capacity to do it.

watty

Combo boxes fail MASSIVELY on ease of use compared to Freesat boxes. Especially when there is any transponder change or new transponder. Most of the channels are on Freesat.

Tony

Watty I'm not sure how a device can fail at something its not meant to do in the first place?

watty wrote: »

Combo boxes fail MASSIVELY on ease of use compared to Freesat boxes. Especially when there is any transponder change or new transponder. Most of the channels are on Freesat.

FRIENDO

zerks wrote: »

Besides,that site that was mentioned earlier is illegal and shouldn't really be mentioned here.

Thanks zerks, I did not know that.

Frank Black

zerks wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: You'd be lucky to get dialup speeds in parts with Eircom.

Besides,that site that was mentioned earlier is illegal and shouldn't really be mentioned here.

Hmmmm.

There's a liveonlinefooty thread in the Soccer forum with over 1500 posts on it.
Maybe someone should tell a soccer Mod.

Morris Code

FRIENDO wrote: »

The Match on UTV/ITV on a Sunday, brings back great memories.:)

Yes and RTE used to have access to some live matches on Sat afternoon-Sky put paid to that.

Discodog

campo wrote: »

I live in the sticks and I have Eircom need I say more

I use a 3 modem & LOF is fine for me. People can never believe that it is a stream. The quality is very good.

Discodog

zerks wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: You'd be lucky to get dialup speeds in parts with Eircom.

Besides,that site that was mentioned earlier is illegal and shouldn't really be mentioned here.

That site has a huge thread here & has been in business since 2004

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055494531

moro_original

I have to agree with watty on this one, combo boxes are a massive pain compared to a Freesat box.

Freesat certified boxes are 'fit and forget' devices, whereas any non-Freesat certified box is a 'fit and allow things to gradually go wrong' type of device.*

I wish the Freesat EPG / tuning instructions were open so that media centre software could decode and use it.


(actually, they're more of a 'massive pain in the ass to setup and then things gradually go wrong' device.)

Tony

What you are saying is true but Combo boxes are a "compromise" given our unique broadcasting set up in Ireland . Freesat boxes are excellent for fit and forget but they cannot receive RTE which would be an even bigger pain for a lot of people. Combo boxes out sell Freesat boxes in Ireland by a massive % even given their undoubted limitations.

moro_original wrote: »

I have to agree with watty on this one, combo boxes are a massive pain compared to a Freesat box.

Freesat certified boxes are 'fit and forget' devices, whereas any non-Freesat certified box is a 'fit and allow things to gradually go wrong' type of device.*

NewHillel

watty wrote: »

Combo boxes fail MASSIVELY on ease of use compared to Freesat boxes. Especially when there is any transponder change or new transponder. Most of the channels are on Freesat.

That is why the availability, or not, of a Saorview certified Combo box doesn't really matter - as I stated in my post. What would be useful is a Freesat certified Combo Box, again as stated.
Until then, the uncertified box is the best option for many people.

NewHillel

Tony wrote: »

What you are saying is true but Combo boxes are a "compromise" given our unique broadcasting set up in Ireland . Freesat boxes are excellent for fit and forget but they cannot receive RTE which would be an even bigger pain for a lot of people. Combo boxes out sell Freesat boxes in Ireland by a massive % even given their undoubted limitations.

That is exactly it, for technophobes they are the best free option currently available in the market. I have two, in different rooms, used daily by young and old alike. Meanwhile, my trusty Humax is used only by me. (It's that old 'two remote, plus change TV Input' issue. The 'others' simply don't want to know.)

Cantona's Collars

black francis wrote: »

Hmmmm.

There's a liveonlinefooty thread in the Soccer forum with over 1500 posts on it.
Maybe someone should tell a soccer Mod.

Different rules for different forums,I learned the hard way by posting link to ITV channels the time UPC lost them.

I use streams myself for games that aren't televised but won't post links to the sites in the satellite forum.

liamtech

twinklerunner wrote: »

When Tony spoke about the number of channels on Freesat, he didn't clarify that they include 18 regions of BBC1, 4 regions of BBC2, as well as numerous regions of ITV1, Channel 4 & Channel 5. Hardly transparent.

twinklerunner wrote: »

No, you're missing my point. He was selling Freesat on the basis that there are 130 free channels available, but a huge number of these channels are just regional variations of BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, ITV1+1, C4, C4+1, C5 etc etc

1 BBC1
2 BBC2
3 BBC3
4 BBC4
5 BBC HD
6 BBC1 HD
7 BBC ALBA
8 ITV1
9 ITV1+1
10 ITV2
11 ITV2+1
12 ITV3
13 ITV3+1
14 ITV4
15 ITV4+1
16 ITV1 HD
17 STV
18 STV+1
19 STV HD
20 UTV
21 UTV+1
22 CHANNEL4
23 CHANNEL4+1
24 CHANNEL4 HD
25 E4
26 E4+1
27 MORE4
28 MORE4+1
29 CHANNEL5
30 CHANNEL5+1
31 5USA
32 5USA+1
33 5*
34 5*+1
35 CBS ACTION
36 CBS REALITY
37 CBS REALITY+1
38 CBS DRAMA
39 HORROR CHANNEL
40 HORROR CHANNEL+1
41 BET
42 BET+1
43 BEN
44 SHOWCASE
45 SHOWCASE+1
46 INFORMATION TV
47 INFORMATION TV +1
48 TRAVEL CHANNEL
49 TRAVEL CHANNEL+1
50 HOLIDAY AND CRUISE
51 FILM4
52 FILM4+1
53 MOVIES4MEN
54 MOVIES4MEN+1
55 MOVIES4MEN2
56 MOVIES4MEN2+1
57 TRUE MOVIES
58 TRUE MOVIES 2
59 TRUE ENTERTAINMENT
60 MEN&MOVIES
61 UMP MOVIES
62 BBC NEWS
63 BBC PARLIAMENT
64 SKY NEWS
65 CNN
66 CNBC
67 BLOOMBERG
68 AL JAZEERA
69 FRANCE24
70 RUSSIA TODAY
71 CNC
72 CCTV
73 EURO NEWS
74 NHK WORLD
75 CHART SHOW
76 CHART SHOW+1
77 THE VAULT
78 SCUZZ
79 FLAVA
80 B4U MUSIC
81 ZING
82 CLUBLAND
83 VINTAGE TV
84 BLISS
85 MASSIVE RNB
86 CHANNEL AKA
87 STARZ
88 DANCE NATION
89 MUSIC INDIA
90 CBBC
91 CBEEBIES
92 CITV
93 POP
94 POP GIRL
95 TINY POP
96 KIX
97 POP GIRL+1
98 TINY POP+1
99 FOOD NETWORK
100 FOOD NETWORK+1
101 HORSE AND COUNTRY
102 BODY IN BALANCE
103 VOX AFRICA
104 PROPELLOR
105 SUMO TV
106 THE COMMUNITY CHANNEL
107 FITNESS TV
108 QVC
109 S4C
110 WEDDING TV
111 OCEAN TV
112 RENAULT TV
113 PSYCHIC TV
114 REVALATION
115 DAYSTAR
116 SONLIFE
117 PRICE DROP
118 PITCH TV
119 PITCH WORLD
120 JML DIRECT
121 JML CHOICE
122 IDEAL EXTRA
123 IDEAL WORLD
124 ARGOS TV
125 CREATE AND CRAFT
126 THE JEWELLERY CHANNEL
127 QVC BEUTY
128 ROCKS AND CO
129 BID TV
130 THANE DIRECT

Hum ... looks like 130 individual channels to me - i know i included STV and UTV but they do show different films so... independent in my book..

BUT WAIT! I left out the adult channel's of which there were around 16 (last i checked, correct me if im wrong!)

TONY! you were wrong!!! TUT TUT! TRANSPARENCY PLEASE! lol

SHAME ON YOU!

I actually thought you did a great job in my humble opinion:D - for what its worth well done - i can see why a few posters might think the other guy had a slight bias toward SKY/UPC, but thats expected every time this subject is discussed..

If only we had a true PVR/COMBI available, then critics wouldn't have anywhere to run too -

Incidentally i know that on FREESAT itself, many of the channels i listed are not in the EPG - but considering it was the combi box being discussed for the most part that is irrelevant

Again well done!

twinklerunner

Tony wrote: »

Firstly I was selling nothing and secondly the interview lasts only minutes and quite understandably the producer does not want it getting bogged down with irrelevancies. Think you need to get a grip there chief.

Oh right Tony, so you weren't promoting Freesat installation? You say 'irrelevancies', I say important detail. Certainly no need for me to grip anything However, I'm sure you agree that some of the reporting on the alternatives to Sky or Upc leaves a lot to be desired. We seem to do confusion very well in this country. As for the reporting of same in the newspapers, well don't get me started. Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for punters going with Saorview & Freesat. I just like clarity on the matter because it really is very straight forward. Take care

Tony

liamtech wrote: »

TONY! you were wrong!!! TUT TUT! TRANSPARENCY PLEASE! lolSHAME ON YOU!

I know I screwed up (theres just no pleasing some people) . During the broadcast I was actually receiving SMS texts asking me to mention certain things which I found incredible. Luckily I had the sense to leave the phone outside the studio .

liamtech wrote: »

I actually thought you did a great job in my humble opinion:D

Thanks for the kind words

liamtech wrote: »

i can see why a few posters might think the other guy had a slight bias toward SKY/UPC, but thats expected every time this subject is discussed..

I can kind of see that point but I thought Adrian Weckler gave quite a balanced view as you would expect from a good journalist and I could not really disagree with anything he said, it was all pretty valid in my view.

liamtech wrote: »

If only we had a true PVR/COMBI available, then critics wouldn't have anywhere to run too -

Indeed but the question is would guys be prepared to pay the much higher price ?

liamtech wrote: »

Incidentally i know that on FREESAT itself, many of the channels i listed are not in the EPG - but considering it was the combi box being discussed for the most part that is irrelevant
Again well done!

Thanks again

liamtech

twinklerunner wrote: »

Oh right Tony, so you weren't promoting Freesat installation? You say 'irrelevancies', I say important detail. Certainly no need for me to grip anything However, I'm sure you agree that some of the reporting on the alternatives to Sky or Upc leaves a lot to be desired. We seem to do confusion very well in this country. As for the reporting of same in the newspapers, well don't get me started. Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for punters going with Saorview & Freesat. I just like clarity on the matter because it really is very straight forward. Take care

Seriously there are well over 130 UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL CHANNELS available on FTA28.2 -

for the record UPC list RTEjnr, TRTE, and Cula4 as individual channels on there packages DESPITE the fact they are simply parts of RTE1, RTE2, and TG4 -

Also included in there 'QUALITY' packages are the likes of

CITYTV
EWTN
the God channel

I understand and accept that many people have no time for FTA TV - they think its unreliable, costly to set up and missing what they consider to be Crucial channels - thats their decision... but with SKY currently advertising in advance of the Digital switchover as if they have 'actually got anything to do with analogue switchoff' and UPC listing sections of daytime programming as individual channels.... let he who is without sin - and in all cases.. Caveat emptor

I for one will never go to pay TV while the current alternative exists - its just too good - and obviously i dont watch many of the fringe stations, but hey - im not paying for them?

Badgermonkey

Tony wrote: »

Combo boxes out sell Freesat boxes in Ireland by a massive % even given their undoubted limitations.

If retailers in ROI chose to carry & market Freesat branded boxes, I wonder how much that percentage would tilt?

Declan on the Currys forum has said there's a licencing impediment on stocking Freeview, but no such restriction exists for Freesat.

A 'holy grail' solution covering all bases ain't here yet. Any inconvenience as a consequence of running Saorview & Freesat side by side is way overblown imo and is compensated by a far superior end-user experience.

Tony

From your reply its pretty obvious that your are not in posession of the facts as Liamtech has since pointed out . Theres little point in debating with someone who is either ignorant or has another agenda and I certainly do not propose to take responsibility for others reporting skills.

If you have a problem with the content of the interview I suggest you take it up with Today FM.

twinklerunner wrote: »

Oh right Tony, so you weren't promoting Freesat installation? You say 'irrelevancies', I say important detail. Certainly no need for me to grip anything However, I'm sure you agree that some of the reporting on the alternatives to Sky or Upc leaves a lot to be desired. We seem to do confusion very well in this country. As for the reporting of same in the newspapers, well don't get me started. Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for punters going with Saorview & Freesat. I just like clarity on the matter because it really is very straight forward. Take care