The Kilgarven bog field feud.

flanders1979

The church would have had no problem giving it to them years ago.
From the rare dealings I have with religion I find the church acting like a dying wasp these days. Their reputation is in tatters and its all our fault apparently.

robp

Its very difficult to sympatise with those who bully and threaten a "Field" scenario. If people donate money 20 years ago to a church they loose all control of the money, otherwise it wouldn't be donating. Even side from the legal requirements in times like these it would be imprudent to go with anything less than the best price. The church's mission is not subsidising football. The GAA should outbid them fair and square.

Noreen1

I don't agree with anyone making threats. On the other hand, the Church may own the property - but the Church is made up of its members ie. The Community.

Methinks, in this case, whoever made the decision to sell to the highest bidder, did so without consulting the Community. I would suggest that this would appear to be both unwise, and possibly a trifle arrogant.

Does anyone know whether there are any plans for some alternative Community development using the funds raised? There may be some genuine reasons for what appears to be a very rigid stance on the part of Church authorities.

Dr. Manhattan

Noreen1 wrote: »

I don't agree with anyone making threats. On the other hand, the Church may own the property - but the Church is made up of its members ie. The Community.

No it's not, it's made up of practising Catholics. The local community is more than just that.

Noreen1 wrote: »

Methinks, in this case, whoever made the decision to sell to the highest bidder, did so without consulting the Community. I would suggest that this would appear to be both unwise, and possibly a trifle arrogant.

Why should they consult "the community"? Living down the road or being a member of the GAA doesn't qualify anyone to have an opinion on how the Church should manage its lands. More arrogant to think they should be consulted.


I'm no fan of any church, but how they manage their legally held assets is up to them, not a GAA club with its nose out of joint.

Mike 1972

Noreen1 wrote: »

On the other hand, the Church may own the property - but the Church is made up of its members ie. The Community.

I believe it was a former pope who pointed out that "the catholic church is not a democracy" ?

Noreen1

Dr. Manhattan wrote: »

No it's not, it's made up of practising Catholics. The local community is more than just that.

Fair enough. The Catholic Community, then.

Dr. Manhattan wrote: »

Why should they consult "the community"? Living down the road or being a member of the GAA doesn't qualify anyone to have an opinion on how the Church should manage its lands. More arrogant to think they should be consulted.


I'm no fan of any church, but how they manage their legally held assets is up to them, not a GAA club with its nose out of joint.

I couldn't care less about any GAA club, personally speaking.
However, since the Catholic Community undoubtedly contributed funds towards the original purchase, then imo, that same Community should be consulted about a: The disposal (or otherwise) of said assets, and b: The use of funds received as a result of said disposal.
The Hierarchy of the Church are the Shepherds of the flock - but they are also the servants of the flock. The latter appears to be ignored in this case - unless, as I queried, there are plans for a venture that would benefit the Community, using funds from the sale.

Seems simple, and reasonable, enough to me?

Noreen1

Mike 1972 wrote: »

I believe it was a former pope who pointed out that "the catholic church is not a democracy" ?

The Catholic Church is not a Democracy regarding it's teachings.

The Hierarchy of the Church are leaders when it comes to religious and moral authority - in all other things, they are the servants of the people.
Hence, when people contribute to property acquired by the Church, they do so with the expectation that said property will be used for the benefit of the Community - not so that the Church Hierarchy gains financial assets.
Therefore, it is reasonable that the local Community are consulted on the use of funds. It is not reasonable for any one group to demand that they, exclusively, gain from the use of these funds, without the agreement of the rest of the Community.

Spread

I feel lucky and will buy a few POWERBALL tickets tonight. If my numbers come up I'm bidding top dollar. Then put in for planning permission for a HoHouse. While that's going through ........ just a few containers lined with pink brocade, massage tables and happy endings all around. Incidentally, some ignoramus suggested that they don't play hurling in Kery! Ahem, what about when when we beat Wrexford 2 - 3 to 1 - 5 in the final?

johnr1

Noreen1 wrote: »

Fair enough. The Catholic Community, then.

I couldn't care less about any GAA club, personally speaking.
However, since the Catholic Community undoubtedly contributed funds towards the original purchase, then imo, that same Community should be consulted about a: The disposal (or otherwise) of said assets, and b: The use of funds received as a result of said disposal.
The Hierarchy of the Church are the Shepherds of the flock - but they are also the servants of the flock. The latter appears to be ignored in this case - unless, as I queried, there are plans for a venture that would benefit the Community, using funds from the sale.

Seems simple, and reasonable, enough to me?

Assets of an organisation like the RC church are usually not legally held by the local branch, club, or in this case priest. They are usually vested in the larger orginisation patrons, in this case I would think the Diocese of Kerry under the bishops control.
Kerry Diocese is I hear fairly poor in cash terms, so that might explain their desire to get as much as possible for it.

To the poster who suggested that "the GAA" should outbid the other, the money would again have to come from the local club as Croke Park or Central Council don't fund individual clubs.
Threats are wrong though, very wrong.

Curly Judge

By what means did the Church come to own the land in the first place?

Dyr

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Don't know about the faction fights, but I'd love to see a resurgence in the traditional Irish martial art of the bata, descended from bladed arts. Some of the WMA guys have been making a very credible effort to revive it based on accounts of the time and existing practitioners.

Back on topic, "lol".

Existing practitioners me hole :rolleyes:

Dudess

mikemac1 wrote: »

If a Yank buys the land does it mean he'll get murdered :eek:

Spoilers ffs! :mad:

:pac:

I'd say it's not that bleak - near Kenmare and Killarney, which are beautiful.
North Kerry though - shudder. My grandad was from there. Grim.

Doc Ruby

Bambi wrote: »

Existing practitioners me hole :rolleyes:

I've no particular interest in the state of your hole, thanks.

The modern practice of bataireacht has arisen amongst some practitioners from a desire to maintain or reinstate Irish family traditions, while for others a combination of historical and cultural interest has led to their interest.[9] Practitioners, which started independently of each other, exist in Ireland, the United States, Canada and Germany. Bataireacht has also gained popularity amongst non-Irish people, especially in the United States, as a form of self defense, especially as a cane or walking stick can be easily carried in modern society. As with most martial arts, multiple versions exist.

A few forms of bataireacht survive to this day, some of which are traditional styles specific to the family which carried them down through the years, like the "Rince an Bhata Uisce Bheatha" (whiskey stick dance) of the Doyle family[10] of Newfoundland, taught in Canada, the United-States and Germany, or the Antrim stick (Aontroim Bataireacht) which is taught in Canada, the United-States and France. Others styles have survived in the techniques used in the sport of hurling and in military sabre fencing.

Additionally, members of the Western Martial Arts movement have "reconstructed" styles using period martial arts manuals, historical newspaper articles, magazines, pictorial evidence and court documents. Surviving instructional manuals which describe some use of the shillelagh include those by Rowland Allanson-Winn and Donald Walker.[11]

Sindri

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I've no particular interest in the state of your hole, thanks.

This is the second time you have mentioned that on this thread? What infatuation (other than erotic) do you have in lads beatin' the shite out of each other with sticks?

Dr. Manhattan

Sindri wrote: »

This is the second time you have mentioned that on this thread? What infatuation (other than erotic) do you have in lads beatin' the shite out of each other with sticks?

Well the thread is about the Catholic Church and a hurling club :pac:

Doc Ruby

Sindri wrote: »

This is the second time you have mentioned that on this thread? What infatuation (other than erotic) do you have in lads beatin' the shite out of each other with sticks?

Mary mother of god and all the saints between us, can two grown men not lash one another with knobbly cudgels without being accused of homoeroticism in the Ireland of today, whats the place coming to at all.

johndaman66

Do people not realize that a major chunk of the GAA's wealth came from donations, sponsorship from local business and begging, begging outside many of the Church gates before Mass on a Sunday in my local area. Worse still they have taken to begging at the checkouts at the Supermarkets in more recent times, just fu*k off, do something more productive and let me do my shopping in peace.

Sorry now, but I don't have much time for the Church but even less for the GAA. I appreciate that a lot of people dig the GAA but not everybody does either. They have attained contributions and funding over the years to the detriment of other sports. Furthermore, why are they vigorously pursuing 12 acres when the average football pitch is 2 acres or little over. Most likely employing emotional blackmail to attain it at a knock down price in order to bolster their balance sheet if you ask me...