The Kilgarven bog field feud.

Jimmy Garlic

Will it be settled old skool with cudgels?.

http://examiner.ie/ireland/warnings-the-field-could-be-recreated-over-gaa-land-row-182929.html

I would love to see a good old fashioned faction fight with cudgels and all. It is a part of our heritage that has been sadly neglected in recent years.

The Catholic Church has been warned it can expect scenes reminiscent of John B Keane’s The Field if it sells a village property in Kerry to anyone other than the local GAA club.
There has been a furious reaction in Kilgarvan to a decision to offer the old presbytery and 12 acres of land for sale on the open market, despite an offer of €205,000 from the local club.
At a public meeting to discuss the stand-off, it was proposed that the Bishop of Kerry be told that unless the GAA club was allowed buy the land, the community was not happy for it to be sold to anyone else.
However, a statement by the diocese insisted it was both a moral and legal requirement to secure the best possible price for the property that the market could offer.

Lapin

Actually, whats the point in insisting the priests gaff goes to the GAA ?

They know nothing about hurling (proper GAA stuff) down in Kerry.

Sindri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjKJnsMwHk0

wendell borton

Lapin wrote: »

Actually, whats the point in insisting the priests gaff goes to the GAA ?

They know nothing about hurling (proper GAA stuff) down in Kerry.

They play hurling in Killgarven.:p

SeaFields

Lapin wrote: »

They know nothing about hurling (proper GAA stuff) down in Kerry.

I think they have the only hurling team in south kerry.


Anyway their club secretary was on radio kerry last week. The interviewer asked what would they do if they werent sold the extra land.

He said "have you seen John B Keanes "The Field"? I'll say no more"

Jimmy Garlic

Imagine being sane and living in Kilgarven, it must be pure hell. Seriously, it is more akin to a feudal fiefdom than anything else. Ignorant, backward, hillbilly bigshots all over the place.

johnr1

SeaFields wrote: »

I think they have the only hurling team in south kerry.


Anyway their club secretary was on radio kerry last week. The interviewer asked what would they do if they werent sold the extra land.

He said "have you seen John B Keanes "The Field"? I'll say no more"

They are one of at least three dual clubs in South Kerry. There are several hurling clubs in North Kerry.

One of the chief protagonists in this is a fairly controversial figure, prone to hyperbolic statements at times.

There was another nasty rumour about this as well, - as to who the higher offer was. This was debunked during the week. I'm not going to repeat it here.

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Sindri

johnr1 wrote: »

They are one of at least three dual clubs in South Kerry. There are several hurling clubs in North Kerry.

One of the chief protagonists in this is a fairly controversial figure, prone to hyperbolic statements at times.

There was another nasty rumour about this as well, - as to who the higher offer was. This was debunked during the week. I'm not going to repeat it here.

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Was it an outsider?:D

johnr1

Sindri wrote: »

Was it an outsider?:D

:D

No.

SeaFields

johnr1 wrote: »

They are one of at least three dual clubs in South Kerry.

Who are the other two as a matter of interest? I'm living by Cahersiveen for the last year and know only Kilgarvan? Laune Rangers had one but its merged with Fossa I believe. Cant think of any others.

johnr1

SeaFields wrote: »

Who are the other two as a matter of interest? I'm living by Cahersiveen for the last year and know only Kilgarvan? Laune Rangers had one but its merged with Fossa I believe. Cant think of any others.

Kenmare, and St Brendans, which is afaik based in Killarney with players who would play football with Crokes, Spa, or Legion.

If Fossa have one, then that's four.

wendell borton

Sindri wrote: »

Was it an outsider?:D

Here's a clue.

ToxicPaddy

So if I understand this correctly, a piece of land is being put up for sale beside the existing club grounds, the local Grab All Assoc are demanding they be sold something at a price they want to buy it at?? :rolleyes:

Who cares about real market value or the fact another offer, a better offer, has been tabled.. they demand it be sold to them.. :rolleyes:

Dr. Manhattan

That club secretary should be investigated by the Gardaí for issuing threats. Who the fúck do they think they are to demand a sale on their terms with menaces?

mikemac1

If a Yank buys the land does it mean he'll get murdered :eek:

JONJO THE MISER

:mad:OUTSIDERS, are these the same OUTSIDERS who....................

johnr1

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

So if I understand this correctly, a piece of land is being put up for sale beside the existing club grounds, the local Grab All Assoc are demanding they be sold something at a price they want to buy it at?? :rolleyes:

Who cares about real market value or the fact another offer, a better offer, has been tabled.. they demand it be sold to them.. :rolleyes:

I think that in sparsely populated rural communities where the demographic was in the past vastly RC, and in reality still is, the community would probably have donated monies over generations to support the Catholic Church which apparently owns the land.

It's not too much of a stretch that the same community, and Kilgarvan have a very strong community spirit there, would feel that there is some moral obligation that this land go to expand the ONLY sporting facilities available in their area.

Legally they probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on but it would probably serve the better good than some guy expanding his cow herd or building more unwanted houses or whatever.

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Doc Ruby

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I would love to see a good old fashioned faction fight with cudgels and all. It is a part of our heritage that has been sadly neglected in recent years.

Don't know about the faction fights, but I'd love to see a resurgence in the traditional Irish martial art of the bata, descended from bladed arts. Some of the WMA guys have been making a very credible effort to revive it based on accounts of the time and existing practitioners.

Back on topic, "lol".

oppenheimer1

I can actually understand where the club is coming from though. Over the years the people of the parish would have donated money to the church to buy that property, and although unwritten it was probably an expectation that the community would have use of it. Many in the club and community would see this as buying back land that is already rightfully theirs (whether you believe that to be right or wrong is another matter).

Back in the day a huge mistake was made by communities when they were expanding religious and community facilities. The money should not have been given to the church to purchase the land directly but by a community association who would hold it in trust for the whole community.

RiseToTheTop

The Chinese might make a bit.

Or else the Greeks.

RiseToTheTop

The Chinese might make a bit.

Or else the Greeks.

ToxicPaddy

johnr1 wrote: »

I think that in sparsely populated rural communities where the demographic was in the past vastly RC, and in reality still is, the community would probably have donated monies over generations to support the Catholic Church which apparently owns the land.

It's not too much of a stretch that the same community, and Kilgarvan have a very strong community spirit there, would feel that there is some moral obligation that this land go to expand the ONLY sporting facilities available in their area.

Legally they probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on but it would probably serve the better good than some guy expanding his cow herd or building more unwanted houses or whatever.

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I do understand to a certain degree but making threats in the media is a bit much isn't it?

According to the article, the club in question had made plans for this land that they didn't own so it seems they counted their chickens a little early.

Now without knowing all the facts things could have been promised in the past, but unless its in some legal contract somewhere they haven't got a leg to stand on and trying to throw their weight around and threatening people is hardly the way to go about it.

Personally, this could backfire big time on the club as with most rural towns, the local church and the local GAA clubs are usually the centre of the a lot of events. So this could divide opinion and people in rural towns have long memories when it comes to things like this.

mikemac1

A Corkonian should buy this land, just to act the troll

ToxicPaddy

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Back in the day a huge mistake was made by communities when they were expanding religious and community facilities. The money should not have been given to the church to purchase the land directly but by a community association who would hold it in trust for the whole community.

That would have been a much better idea.

People seem to forget that the catholic church is its own entity and not owned by anyone..

They have their own bank, own property etc, its run like a business and they have their own interests. If people donated to the church it was because they wanted to support it. I cant say I'm a fan of the catholic church in any shape or form, but at the end of the day just cause they donated money doesn't mean they are entitled to anything from it.

Probably not a popular view but a realistic one.

johnr1

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

I do understand to a certain degree but making threats in the media is a bit much isn't it?

According to the article, the club in question had made plans for this land that they didn't own so it seems they counted their chickens a little early.

Now without knowing all the facts things could have been promised in the past, but unless its in some legal contract somewhere they haven't got a leg to stand on and trying to throw their weight around and threatening people is hardly the way to go about it.

Personally, this could backfire big time on the club as with most rural towns, the local church and the local GAA clubs are usually the centre of the a lot of events. So this could divide opinion and people in rural towns have long memories when it comes to things like this.

Yes Paddy, I agree that making threats like this is ridiculous, - if it happened. It doesent help their case at all, look at my first post on the thread and you'll see what I said about one of the people involved.
I don't want to get into it any more as I still have family living not too far away.

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ToxicPaddy

johnr1 wrote: »

Yes Paddy, I agree that making threats like this is ridiculous, - if it happened. It doesent help their case at all, look at my first post on the thread and you'll see what I said about one of the people involved.
I don't want to get into it any more as I still have family living not too far away.

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Oh yeah you're better off staying well away from this one.. could get very nasty with local opinion and politics involved..

mikemac1

johnr1 wrote: »

There was another nasty rumour about this as well, - as to who the higher offer was. This was debunked during the week. I'm not going to repeat it here.

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I'd like to say there was a nasty rumour about a higher offer, I won't say how it happened or who was involved but it was nasty...

Why post it so?

You giving the locals who most of us don't know a reputation but won't give any more information so we can judge ourselves

Either say it fully or don't say it at all

amacachi

However, a statement by the diocese insisted it was both a moral and legal requirement to secure the best possible price for the property that the market could offer.

The Catholic Church believes that it's a moral requirement to operate on a free market. Time for me to become a Communist I think.

johnr1

mikemac1 wrote: »

I'd like to say there was a nasty rumour about a higher offer, I won't say how it happened or who was involved but it was nasty...

Why post it so?

You giving the locals who most of us don't know a reputation but won't give any more information so we can judge ourselves

Either say it fully or don't say it at all

Sure, - repeat lies, and leave myself open to libel law. Great idea Mike.

I've contributed information and opinion to the thread. What did you contribute ?

Lastly, if you're so dumb that you can't figure it out from the clues on the thread then too bad for you.

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Dr. Manhattan

johnr1 wrote: »

Sure, - repeat lies, and leave myself open to libel law. Great idea Mike.

I've contributed information and opinion to the thread. What did you contribute ?

Lastly, if you're so dumb that you can't figure it out from the clues on the thread then too bad for you.

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If you know they're lies, why mention them in the way you did? You referred to them as a rumour, not lies, very different things. If you knew them to be lies, why bring them up at all? How does that level of misinformation help?

johnr1

Dr. Manhattan wrote: »

If you know they're lies, why mention them in the way you did? You referred to them as a rumour, not lies, very different things. If you knew them to be lies, why bring them up at all? How does that level of misinformation help?

Actually you're probably right. I mentioned it because it was the bigger local talking point.

I think they are lies because I don't think the person mentioned would be so stupid as to go against local opinion when they depend heavily on it.

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