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Has Ireland ever had any serial killers?

  • 10-02-2012 9:07pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭


    I think Larry Murphy is the closest we have to one and he hasnt been proven guilty of the murders of those women yet. So other than him has there ever been any serial killers in Ireland?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Looking for tips?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭MyKeyG


    Do some of them IRA lads not count?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    it doesnt have ones dumb enough to get caught


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Are you going to try and break the record?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭InkSlinger67


    Who could ever forget the bb1234567 massacre of '97


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    In fairness Larry hasn't been found guilty of any murder. How can you call him a serial Killer or equate him to one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    John Shaw and Geoffrey Evans


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    You'll find the Roman Catholic clergy were pretty good at killing, however it wasn't a fair fight as they usually brutalised young children before then killing them. The Christian brothers killed around 150 young children in Letterfrack alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Johnny kellogg's is always lurking around especially in the mornings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    When they changed CocoPops to Choco Krispies, that killed the serial for me...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Suspected but not prosecuted in Cork City.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Probably, but it's difficult to identify serial killers in times of conflict.

    The bodies either just get lost in the mess, different groups claim responsibility for the deaths or the serial killers join one of the groups.

    In more recent history nothing has been proven afaik, but I'd find it hard to believe there haven't been a few hanging around.


    Edit - No Pun intended re: Chuck Stone's link above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭theg81der


    In fairness Larry hasn't been found guilty of any murder. How can you call him a serial Killer or equate him to one?

    And we have no evidence of you having a fap, but you did didn`t you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    not wanting to be libelous but ray foley


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Brendan O'Donnell who killed a mother and her child as well as a priest, near Whitegate in County Clare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭M cebee




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    EGAR wrote: »
    Brendan O'Donnell who killed a mother and her child as well as a priest, near Whitegate in County Clare.

    Think he's considered a spree killer as oppose to a serial killer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Think he's considered a spree killer as oppose to a serial killer.


    There are still question marks about his time in the UK and a few unsolved murders in that area.

    However, he was certainly mentally disturbed and neither cunning nor did he hide his tracks very well and let's not forget he tried to kidnap another girl who luckily escaped from him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Shankill Butchers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    stovelid wrote: »
    Shankill Butchers.

    damn good steak they do


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    damn good steak they do

    Not the most hygienic though. I heard the head butcher was riddled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Depending on what criteria you use Malcolm Macarthur could be considered one.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,835 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Serial killer specialize and use a particular modus operandi to kill.
    Murderers who just pick on someone willy nilly are not serial killers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    FTR.
    A serial killer is typically defined as an individual who has murdered three or more people over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders, and whose motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    TV3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭theg81der


    I heard of a woman who is dead now who murdered 3 people over a period of 10 years to get her hands on the family she married into money. Of course then there was no tests etc so she was never caught.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Actually, the shankill butchers did carry out highly ritualistic murders with a political pretext that was flimsy even by loyalist standards. The murders involved ritually patterned sadism and torture and other ritualistic touches such as trademark weapons and murder method (slit throats) not to mention the very small geographical area in which they preyed on solitary victims - most of whom were young to middle aged men.

    Perhaps our reluctance to categorize them as serial killers stems from the fact that it would lead us to ask ourselves whether or not conflict often provides ideological cover under which born killers operate. Even some of the guerilla fighters that many of us seek to justify and valorise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Mary Harney.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    stovelid wrote: »
    Perhaps our reluctance to categorize them as serial killers stems from the fact that it would lead us to ask ourselves whether or not conflict often provides ideological cover under which born killers operate. Even some of the guerilla fighters that many of us seek to justify and valorise.
    Not just the Nazis but many ordinary frontline soldiers of the Wehrmacht took pleasure in killing civillians knowing full well that they had a free hand to do so .
    Every army or military active organisation in the world , legal or otherwise has it share of sadists and phycopaths ...including the Mafia .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    stovelid wrote: »
    Actually, the shankill butchers did carry out highly ritualistic murders with a political pretext that was flimsy even by loyalist standards. The murders involved ritually patterned sadism and torture and other ritualistic touches such as trademark weapons and murder method (slit throats) not to mention the very small geographical area in which they preyed on solitary victims - most of whom were young to middle aged men.

    Perhaps our reluctance to categorize them as serial killers stems from the fact that it would lead us to ask ourselves whether or not conflict often provides ideological cover under which born killers operate. Even some of the guerrilla fighters that many of us seek to justify and valorise.


    That could have happened alright but as the Troubles have mostly rescinded so has the Killings, So where have they gone ? Most serial killers don't just stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    If you count N. Ireland, John Bodkin Adams was a doctor suspected of killing around 160 of his patients between 1946 - 1956.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bodkin_Adams

    Dr. Harold Shipman overtook him later with a suspected 220 murders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Malcolm McArthur


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Liam Neeson & Chris de Burgh to name two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Liam Neeson

    Ah here now, he saved 1200 Jews during the war.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Ah here now, he saved 1200 Jews during the war.
    He never saved that little girl in the red though :(
    Standard Toaster Chris de Burgh
    He murders every song with that voice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Latchy wrote: »
    Not just the Nazis but many ordinary frontline soldiers of the Wehrmacht took pleasure in killing civillians knowing full well that they had a free hand to do so .
    Every army or military active organisation in the world , legal or otherwise has it share of sadists and phycopaths ...including the Mafia .
    Actually the Wehrmacht was the best disciplined army in WW2..they had no free hand to do anything...you getting your "history" from Hollywood I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    MyKeyG wrote: »
    Do some of them IRA lads not count?

    Well, I'd say they would fall under the category of ''mass murderers'', mostly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    archer22 wrote: »
    Actually the Wehrmacht was the best disciplined army in WW2..they had no free hand to do anything...you getting your "history" from Hollywood I think.
    Disciplined ? I think it's very naive of you to think that the Whermact were somewhat robotic like in their behaviour towards civilians and enemy soldiers alike and didn't have there own share of ' ordinary' sick ****ers that you get in any large army .Hollywood my ass , I know enough about the history of WW1 / 2 from research .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    MyKeyG wrote: »
    Do some of them IRA lads not count?

    I'd say most of them don't, they're not exactly the smartest bunch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Latchy wrote: »
    Disciplined ? I think it's very naive of you to think that the Whermact were somewhat robotic like in their behaviour towards civilians and enemy soldiers alike and didn't have there own share of ' ordinary' sick ****ers that you get in any large army .Hollywood my ass , I know enough about the history of WW1 / 2 from research .
    I think you need to do your research again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    archer22 wrote: »
    I think you need to do your research again
    I think you haven't got a clue !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Latchy wrote: »
    I think you haven't got a clue !
    I actually have a lot of clues.For instance the American army committed more rapes in peace time than the German army did in War.The few Wermacht soldiers who did commit rape or murder of civilians were hanged by their officers.In France the German Army was polite and respectfull towards civilians.Contrast just those few examples with the behaviour of the Russians and indeed the Americans.I know people who lived through the war in some of the countries occupied by both the Germans and Allies so I dont need you to tell me about it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 994 ✭✭✭carbon nanotube


    the abortionist of hume street too..

    god knows how i remember this stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    archer22 wrote: »
    I actually have a lot of clues.For instance the American army committed more rapes in peace time than the German army did in War.The few Wermacht soldiers who did commit rape or murder of civilians were hanged by their officers.In France the German Army was polite and respectfull towards civilians.Contrast just those few examples with the behaviour of the Russians and indeed the Americans.I know people who lived through the war in some of the countries occupied by both the Germans and Allies so I dont need you to tell me about it.
    I know people who lived in the occupied countrys in WW2 to and I don't need your 50 odd word quote on the brief history of world war two either but I'm sure you 'll get your audience in the Military History threads


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Shankill butchers, most of the killings during the troubles had a political motivation etc behind and weren't the product of serial killers, but Lenny Murphy and co were sick puppies and I've no doubt that were he born in a normal environment he would have been a killer. The "superprod" factor doesn't explain the barbaric torture and deaths their innocent victims suffered.



    He was so bad the loyalists threw him under the IRA bus and everyone breathed a collective sigh of relief.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    archer22 wrote: »
    Actually the Wehrmacht was the best disciplined army in WW2..they had no free hand to do anything...you getting your "history" from Hollywood I think.

    Just reading up about them there and it seems they weren't that disciplined at all...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
    Mass rapes
    Rapes were allowed in practice by the German military in eastern and southeastern Europe, while northern and western countries were spared. Historian Szymon Datner wrote in his work about the fate of POWs taken by the Wehrmacht, that thousands of Soviet female nurses, doctors and field medics fell victim to rape when captured, and were often murdered afterwards. Ruth Seifert in War and Rape. Analytical Approaches wrote: "in the Eastern territories the Wehrmacht used to brand the bodies of captured partisan women - and other women as well - with the words "Whore for Hitler's troops" and to use them accordingly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Somebody mention Wehrmacht discipline ? ...

    Anyhow's ...


    I read the book on the Shankill buthchers to and it left me cold as to how those sadists went about their buisness .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Latchy wrote:
    I read the book on the Shankill buthchers to and it left me cold as to how those sadists went about their buisness .

    Do you have a name/link, be interested in a sniff of that one.
    Cheers Latch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Do you have a name/link, be interested in a sniff of that one.
    Cheers Latch.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/The_Shankill_Butchers_by_Martin_Dillon.jpg


    I presume its that one he is on about. Worth a read.


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