Has Ireland ever had any serial killers?

bb1234567

I think Larry Murphy is the closest we have to one and he hasnt been proven guilty of the murders of those women yet. So other than him has there ever been any serial killers in Ireland?

phasers

Looking for tips?

MyKeyG

Do some of them IRA lads not count?

Eric Cartman

it doesnt have ones dumb enough to get caught

galwayrush

Are you going to try and break the record?

InkSlinger67

Who could ever forget the bb1234567 massacre of '97

Lord Trollington

In fairness Larry hasn't been found guilty of any murder. How can you call him a serial Killer or equate him to one?

lividduck

John Shaw and Geoffrey Evans

Stinicker

You'll find the Roman Catholic clergy were pretty good at killing, however it wasn't a fair fight as they usually brutalised young children before then killing them. The Christian brothers killed around 150 young children in Letterfrack alone.

Sunnyisland

Johnny kellogg's is always lurking around especially in the mornings.

Kidchameleon

When they changed CocoPops to Choco Krispies, that killed the serial for me...

Chuck Stone

Suspected but not prosecuted in Cork City.

Seachmall

Probably, but it's difficult to identify serial killers in times of conflict.

The bodies either just get lost in the mess, different groups claim responsibility for the deaths or the serial killers join one of the groups.

In more recent history nothing has been proven afaik, but I'd find it hard to believe there haven't been a few hanging around.


Edit - No Pun intended re: Chuck Stone's link above.

theg81der

Lord Trollington wrote: »

In fairness Larry hasn't been found guilty of any murder. How can you call him a serial Killer or equate him to one?

And we have no evidence of you having a fap, but you did didn`t you!

John Doe1

not wanting to be libelous but ray foley

EGAR

Brendan O'Donnell who killed a mother and her child as well as a priest, near Whitegate in County Clare.

M cebee

http://www.herald.ie/news/serial-killer-recovers-in-private-ward-1614945.html

there's a good few up the north if they count

Seachmall

EGAR wrote: »

Brendan O'Donnell who killed a mother and her child as well as a priest, near Whitegate in County Clare.

Think he's considered a spree killer as oppose to a serial killer.

Sunnyisland

There doesent seem to be any Irish serial killers, Burke & hare are the nearest we have but there muders were carried out in Scotland.



http://wzeu.ask.com/r?t=p&d=eu&s=uk&c=a&app=a16&dqi=&askid=&l=sem&o=41627709&sv=0a65290c&ip=562c807e&id=BCB1EB47876B4380275EB5558CA29244&q=american+Irish+serial+killers&p=1&qs=19&ac=107&g=32f5a%m2DRo+Qd&cu.wz=0&en=nwsa&io=0&ep=&eo=&b=a008&bc=&br=&tp=d&ec=1&pt=Burke%20and%20Hare%20murders%20-%20Wikipedia%20on%20Ask%20Jeeves&ex=tsrc%3DRFE&url=&u=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.ask.com%2Fwiki%2FBurke_and_Hare_murders


http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=irish%20serial%20killers&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_serial_killers_by_country&ei=Wo41T7SQEIHMhAePqIH4AQ&usg=AFQjCNFoU4o_nQLtHkI7n4NhuUbcGvMzWQ

EGAR

Seachmall wrote: »

Think he's considered a spree killer as oppose to a serial killer.

There are still question marks about his time in the UK and a few unsolved murders in that area.

However, he was certainly mentally disturbed and neither cunning nor did he hide his tracks very well and let's not forget he tried to kidnap another girl who luckily escaped from him.

stovelid

Shankill Butchers.

John Doe1

stovelid wrote: »

Shankill Butchers.

damn good steak they do

stovelid

John Doe1 wrote: »

damn good steak they do

Not the most hygienic though. I heard the head butcher was riddled.

SafeSurfer

Depending on what criteria you use Malcolm Macarthur could be considered one.

tayto lover

Serial killer specialize and use a particular modus operandi to kill.
Murderers who just pick on someone willy nilly are not serial killers.

Sunnyisland

FTR.
A serial killer is typically defined as an individual who has murdered three or more people over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders, and whose motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification.

Where To

TV3

theg81der

I heard of a woman who is dead now who murdered 3 people over a period of 10 years to get her hands on the family she married into money. Of course then there was no tests etc so she was never caught.

stovelid

Actually, the shankill butchers did carry out highly ritualistic murders with a political pretext that was flimsy even by loyalist standards. The murders involved ritually patterned sadism and torture and other ritualistic touches such as trademark weapons and murder method (slit throats) not to mention the very small geographical area in which they preyed on solitary victims - most of whom were young to middle aged men.

Perhaps our reluctance to categorize them as serial killers stems from the fact that it would lead us to ask ourselves whether or not conflict often provides ideological cover under which born killers operate. Even some of the guerilla fighters that many of us seek to justify and valorise.

Super-Rush

Mary Harney.

Latchy

stovelid wrote: »

Perhaps our reluctance to categorize them as serial killers stems from the fact that it would lead us to ask ourselves whether or not conflict often provides ideological cover under which born killers operate. Even some of the guerilla fighters that many of us seek to justify and valorise.

Not just the Nazis but many ordinary frontline soldiers of the Wehrmacht took pleasure in killing civillians knowing full well that they had a free hand to do so .
Every army or military active organisation in the world , legal or otherwise has it share of sadists and phycopaths ...including the Mafia .

Sunnyisland

stovelid wrote: »

Actually, the shankill butchers did carry out highly ritualistic murders with a political pretext that was flimsy even by loyalist standards. The murders involved ritually patterned sadism and torture and other ritualistic touches such as trademark weapons and murder method (slit throats) not to mention the very small geographical area in which they preyed on solitary victims - most of whom were young to middle aged men.

Perhaps our reluctance to categorize them as serial killers stems from the fact that it would lead us to ask ourselves whether or not conflict often provides ideological cover under which born killers operate. Even some of the guerrilla fighters that many of us seek to justify and valorise.

That could have happened alright but as the Troubles have mostly rescinded so has the Killings, So where have they gone ? Most serial killers don't just stop.

dark crystal

If you count N. Ireland, John Bodkin Adams was a doctor suspected of killing around 160 of his patients between 1946 - 1956.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bodkin_Adams

Dr. Harold Shipman overtook him later with a suspected 220 murders.

efb

Malcolm McArthur

Standard Toaster

Liam Neeson & Chris de Burgh to name two.

dark crystal

Standard Toaster wrote: »

Liam Neeson

Ah here now, he saved 1200 Jews during the war.

Latchy

dark crystal wrote: »

Ah here now, he saved 1200 Jews during the war.

He never saved that little girl in the red though

Standard Toaster Chris de Burgh

He murders every song with that voice

archer22

Latchy wrote: »

Not just the Nazis but many ordinary frontline soldiers of the Wehrmacht took pleasure in killing civillians knowing full well that they had a free hand to do so .
Every army or military active organisation in the world , legal or otherwise has it share of sadists and phycopaths ...including the Mafia .

Actually the Wehrmacht was the best disciplined army in WW2..they had no free hand to do anything...you getting your "history" from Hollywood I think.

St.Spodo

MyKeyG wrote: »

Do some of them IRA lads not count?

Well, I'd say they would fall under the category of ''mass murderers'', mostly.

Latchy

archer22 wrote: »

Actually the Wehrmacht was the best disciplined army in WW2..they had no free hand to do anything...you getting your "history" from Hollywood I think.

Disciplined ? I think it's very naive of you to think that the Whermact were somewhat robotic like in their behaviour towards civilians and enemy soldiers alike and didn't have there own share of ' ordinary' sick ****ers that you get in any large army .Hollywood my ass , I know enough about the history of WW1 / 2 from research .

TheZohanS

MyKeyG wrote: »

Do some of them IRA lads not count?

I'd say most of them don't, they're not exactly the smartest bunch.

archer22

Latchy wrote: »

Disciplined ? I think it's very naive of you to think that the Whermact were somewhat robotic like in their behaviour towards civilians and enemy soldiers alike and didn't have there own share of ' ordinary' sick ****ers that you get in any large army .Hollywood my ass , I know enough about the history of WW1 / 2 from research .

I think you need to do your research again

Latchy

archer22 wrote: »

I think you need to do your research again

I think you haven't got a clue !

archer22

Latchy wrote: »

I think you haven't got a clue !

I actually have a lot of clues.For instance the American army committed more rapes in peace time than the German army did in War.The few Wermacht soldiers who did commit rape or murder of civilians were hanged by their officers.In France the German Army was polite and respectfull towards civilians.Contrast just those few examples with the behaviour of the Russians and indeed the Americans.I know people who lived through the war in some of the countries occupied by both the Germans and Allies so I dont need you to tell me about it.

carbon nanotube

the abortionist of hume street too..

god knows how i remember this stuff.

Latchy

archer22 wrote: »

I actually have a lot of clues.For instance the American army committed more rapes in peace time than the German army did in War.The few Wermacht soldiers who did commit rape or murder of civilians were hanged by their officers.In France the German Army was polite and respectfull towards civilians.Contrast just those few examples with the behaviour of the Russians and indeed the Americans.I know people who lived through the war in some of the countries occupied by both the Germans and Allies so I dont need you to tell me about it.

I know people who lived in the occupied countrys in WW2 to and I don't need your 50 odd word quote on the brief history of world war two either but I'm sure you 'll get your audience in the Military History threads

Fenian Army

Shankill butchers, most of the killings during the troubles had a political motivation etc behind and weren't the product of serial killers, but Lenny Murphy and co were sick puppies and I've no doubt that were he born in a normal environment he would have been a killer. The "superprod" factor doesn't explain the barbaric torture and deaths their innocent victims suffered.



He was so bad the loyalists threw him under the IRA bus and everyone breathed a collective sigh of relief.

dark crystal

archer22 wrote: »

Actually the Wehrmacht was the best disciplined army in WW2..they had no free hand to do anything...you getting your "history" from Hollywood I think.

Just reading up about them there and it seems they weren't that disciplined at all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht

Mass rapes
Rapes were allowed in practice by the German military in eastern and southeastern Europe, while northern and western countries were spared. Historian Szymon Datner wrote in his work about the fate of POWs taken by the Wehrmacht, that thousands of Soviet female nurses, doctors and field medics fell victim to rape when captured, and were often murdered afterwards. Ruth Seifert in War and Rape. Analytical Approaches wrote: "in the Eastern territories the Wehrmacht used to brand the bodies of captured partisan women - and other women as well - with the words "Whore for Hitler's troops" and to use them accordingly.

Latchy

Somebody mention Wehrmacht discipline ? ...

Anyhow's ...


I read the book on the Shankill buthchers to and it left me cold as to how those sadists went about their buisness .

Standard Toaster

Latchy wrote:

I read the book on the Shankill buthchers to and it left me cold as to how those sadists went about their buisness .

Do you have a name/link, be interested in a sniff of that one.
Cheers Latch.

Fenian Army

Standard Toaster wrote: »

Do you have a name/link, be interested in a sniff of that one.
Cheers Latch.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/The_Shankill_Butchers_by_Martin_Dillon.jpg


I presume its that one he is on about. Worth a read.