Range question

lb1981

Any ranges near Dublin/ in Dublin were i can use my .223

kildare.17hmr

Harbour house in kildare i think is the closest but they only have a 50m range atm i think

lee70

lb1981 wrote: »

Any ranges near Dublin/ in Dublin were i can use my .223

http://www.harbourhouseshooting.com/members.html
looks like it's only .22 small bore. But then again it may be worth a ring.

kildare.17hmr

lee70 wrote: »

lb1981 wrote: »

Any ranges near Dublin/ in Dublin were i can use my .223

http://www.harbourhouseshooting.com/members.html
looks like it's only .22 small bore. But then again it may be worth a ring.

They are authorised for all calibers but only have max 50m range atm

lb1981

Had a feeling that was the closest was looking for something a bit nearer

Cass

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

They are authorised for all calibers but only have max 50m range atm

It says on their website (HH) airrifle/smallbore (.22). Are you sure they are centrefire rated?

I only ask because, while not related to the OP's caliber, the new Range SI set out a standard for firearms and the distances they can be shot at.

Any rifle carrying a muzzle energy of 42-4500 joules now cannot be fired at a distance of less than 300 mtrs. This would include 7mm, .300WinMags, 30-06 with certain ammo, etc.

kildare.17hmr

Unless its changed since the end qtr of last year, i know a few members there who both shoot centrefire there for zeroing and iv personally fired a .223 & .308 there last year

juice1304

the range has been approved up to .308

kildare.17hmr

juice1304 wrote: »

the range has been approved up to .308

That makes sense

Cass

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Unless its changed since the end qtr of last year,

It was. The Range SI (SI 622/2011) was signed in December 2011. Just 2 months ago. Its a small bit of it that some ranges may not be aware of.

I'm not trying to "scaremonger" or put down, any range. If anything i hope this makes some ranges aware. Certain calibers (unrestricted ones) such as 30-06, 300 WinMag, 7mm, even a .308 with the right round, all produce sufficient energy to exceed the "no shooting of anything over 42-4500 rule".


Anyway its not really relevant to the OPs caliber but might be useful to others. And just to be clear even ranges with longer distances, that are bigger, etc are not exempt. To shoot these calibers you need a minimum of 300 mtrs no matter the range.

patsat

Erzi does that mean you can only shoot them rounds at a minimum of 300 yards at a range??

Would this not effect the 25 yard zero needed when shooting F-class??

Or does it mean that once you the facilities of 300 yards minimum, you can shoot them rounds at what ever distance you wish??

Cass

patsat wrote: »

Erzi does that mean you can only shoot them rounds at a minimum of 300 yards at a range??

It's actually 300 mtrs and not 300 yards. So even a 300 yard range would not be sufficient.

Would this not effect the 25 yard zero needed when shooting F-class??

No.

There is an allowance under section 13(b)(3) of the SI that allows the zeroing of such a "high muzzle energy" rifle to be zeroed at 25 mtrs for the proposed distance the person intends to shoot.

Or does it mean that once you the facilities of 300 yards minimum, you can shoot them rounds at what ever distance you wish??

No.

The regulations state that in order to shoot these "high muzzle energy rifle" you must do a 25 mtr zero and set the rifle to the intended distance you wish to shoot which cannot be less than 300 mtrs 13(1)(b). Once you have shown the rifle is set for the distance (over 300 mtrs), which requires three shots on a safety/zero card you may then shoot that distance.

shanmoll308

What a load of ****..you can shoot them @ 25m but you can't shoot them @ 100m and 200m :rolleyes: So is this designed to prevent anyone with a 308..etc from shooting on a 300 yard only range??..Where does that leave the people shooting these calibers in my local 300yard range here in the Kingdom??

Cass

shanmoll308 wrote: »

So is this designed to prevent anyone with a 308..etc from shooting on a 300 yard only range??

you're missing the point about muzzle energy. It is not caliber specific. It makes no mention of any caliber over another merely that any RIFLE that make or exceed this limit cannot be fired on a range of less than 300mtrs.

For example if (somehow) you managed to get that energy from a .223 then you cannot fire it on a range of less than 300 mtrs. So its not designed for .308 or any other caliber but rather all of them.

..Where does that leave the people shooting these calibers in my local 300yard range here in the Kingdom??

No idea. Just passing on the info.

shanmoll308

I do understand what your saying about muzzle energy..I just used 308 as an example.

Cass

.308 would be on the lower end of things. So a 308 using say a 155 gr round would need to be pushing over 3150fps to acheive this. So not necessarily all "doom and gloom".

Same with other calibers. With one type of ammo you'd be fine with another you could be over while using the same rifle.

shanmoll308

Makes me wonder how they are going to police this?..with chronographs on every firing point :rolleyes:

Cass

Haven't a bulls notion lad.

You'd need to chrono the round, use a BC to work out ft/lb, and then a convertor to change from ft/lb into joules.

Easy enough so.:D

tomcat220t

Ezridax wrote: »

Haven't a bulls notion lad.

You'd need to chrono the round, use a BC to work out ft/lb, and then a convertor to change from ft/lb into joules.

Easy enough so.:D

Why would the B/C of a given round be needed to work out the energy ?

kildare.17hmr

tomcat220t wrote: »

Ezridax wrote: »

Haven't a bulls notion lad.

You'd need to chrono the round, use a BC to work out ft/lb, and then a convertor to change from ft/lb into joules.

Easy enough so.:D

Why would the B/C of a given round be needed to work out the energy ?

Not B/C lad, balistic calculator

johnnymolloy

wrong thread

juice1304

but how will i practice shooting my .375 h&H i plan on buying some day. :rolleyes::(:(:(:(:mad:

BattleCorp

What's the logic behind this rule (300m/muzzle energy etc)? Obviously if it's safe to zero at 25m, it must be safe to shoot from this distance onwards.

And, as already said, it's pretty much unenforceable in most circumstances.

Cass

BattleCorp wrote: »

What's the logic behind this rule (300m/muzzle energy etc)? Obviously if it's safe to zero at 25m, it must be safe to shoot from this distance onwards.

The 25 mtr card is not a zero card as such. Primarily it's a safety card to make sure the rifle is at an appropriate setting to reach the distance you intend to shoot at.

Also the berms, banks, baffles at a 25 mtr range would be twice the size of the respecive berm at the given distance.

I'm only assuming here as i don't know what the reasoning behind this is.

And, as already said, it's pretty much unenforceable in most circumstances.

The thing is it's not the DoJ/An Gardai that will be enforcing it. Its the range operators job to enforce this. So if its not enforced then the RCO will be the one answering questions. However i know what you are saying how does the RCO know who is firing what. Well that comes back to anothe rpiece of the Range SI. That every range must have a record of all licenses, and guns owned by members and every round of ammo must be accounted for when on the range.

So if you go in and are intending on shooting your .300 WinMag. You have 50 rounds with you. You need to know that a .300 WinMag with a certain type of ammo will exceed the 300mtr/4500J rule, and test the rifle. If it exceeds this limit then the person must do a 25mtr safety card and only shoot at a distance of 300mtrs or greater. Then you must "sign in" and "sign out" all ammo used on the range (section 9(a)(1))

Again lads i'm only trying to pass on info as i see it.

BattleCorp

Ezridax wrote: »

The thing is it's not the DoJ/An Gardai that will be enforcing it. Its the range operators job to enforce this. So if its not enforced then the RCO will be the one answering questions. However i know what you are saying how does the RCO know who is firing what. Well that comes back to anothe rpiece of the Range SI. That every range must have a record of all licenses, and guns owned by members and every round of ammo must be accounted for when on the range.

So if you go in and are intending on shooting your .300 WinMag. You have 50 rounds with you. You need to know that a .300 WinMag with a certain type of ammo will exceed the 300mtr/4500J rule, and test the rifle. If it exceeds this limit then the person must do a 25mtr safety card and only shoot at a distance of 300mtrs or greater. Then you must "sign in" and "sign out" all ammo used on the range (section 9(a)(1))

Ahhh, I should have realised it would be that simple

Nice to see that they are cutting down on the amount of red tape for us to enjoy our sport :(:(:(:(