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The Search is dead, long live the Search!
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07-02-2012 10:28am#1We're switching "old" serach off today. End of an era and all that...
We've been talking about this since Ross rolled out our shiny new search last year and have been tweaking and modifying the new search based on your feedback over the months since it's deployment.
However, the time has come for us to switch old search (which has been slowly killing the site because VBulletin's code was not built with sites as big as ours in mind) and Danny's looking to do that today.
So goodbye Old Search, we won't miss your taking 2/3 of the RAM in the servers to run, nor will we miss the "oh feck, are we about to fall over" any time it makes a groaning sound Post edited by Shield on8
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Get with the times Mike, your postcount is one the reasons we need new search
As part of a degradation of old-search functionality, this afternoon old search will be disabled and new searches will no longer be possible. Old search will still be available for vanity searches (searching via thanks) for the next while until the existing functionality is moved to new search and after that it'll be disabled completely.
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TeddyTedson wrote: »Sorry but what is happening exactly?
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If you don't know about old search or use it, then grand - nothing's changing for you 0 -
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I've had my issues with Search in the past. I think I'm using the new one.Boards.ie: Danny wrote: »If you don't know about old search or use it, then grand - nothing's changing for you
It's not great is it.0 -
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Balls, there is less functionality with the new search.
I know it's needed, I know it was going to kill the site other wise but, the old one could return posts in a manner which was at the very least from newest to oldest, the new search can't even do that.
Without getting into the merits or demerits of new search, which trumps old search just by virtue of the fact it doesn't kill boards or result in any downtime, yes, it can.
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I'm with Mike and Shield
From a mod perspective, the new search sucks. You can't select multiple posts by a user for deletion, they have to be deleted individually. Deleted posts don't show up when searching a users activity.
Perhaps I should be more clear about this Freetext searching is what kills boards - plugging words into that little text box and hitting search.
Alternative searches such as finding all posts by X, finding all thanked posts by Y etc are less intensive, but are still vastly inefficient. We realise that since the spam control and moderator functions are so heavily integrated into vBulletin search it's almost completely necessary for mods to use old search; which is why they will still have it.0 -
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It's fine; just like searching via thanks it is a non-intensive search and is allowed through for now. We just don't want users happening upon the actual search page complete with text box for keywords, probably from a link in an old post
A glitch, see my post below 0 -
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This.
Trying to look at last 20 post and they get returned in a madcap order.
Yes it's usually my own posts to see were that thread was that I posted in
and no I dont' want to sub to each thread and get heaps of email spam thanks.
The "Follow Thread" functionallity was set up for exactly this reason and you have the option to get an instant/daily/weekly email as well as no email. So any emails you get from it are entirely of your own choosing and are therefore, not spam. This is the pop-up you get when you click on the "Follow Thread" button:
I'm only point thing out because 1) it's both unfair and wrong to label the site as a spammer when we clearly aren't and 2) the reason we had a lot of difficulty in getting news to people about their accounts post hack 2 years ago is that people who asked to be alerted via email about things were flagging it as spam when they didn't want to receive it anymore instead of changing their account settings to no longer receive it.0 -
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ScienceNerd wrote: »I quite like the new search Will this mean less slowing down/errors?
That's the goal. Once we've removed the full text index from the post table the database servers will be much happier. Of course removing that index without downtime is going to be a challenge in itself.0 -
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enfant terrible wrote: »Think it was in advanced search "find posts by username"
Then it listed the threads you've posted in, with the threads with new post listed at the top.
You shouldn't use search just to find out if a thread you made/posted on has new posts, that is what subscriptions/follows are forLess of a bug, more of a request: will someone be doing a "Cloud" theme for the search function and search results?
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enfant terrible wrote: »Think it was in advanced search "find posts by username"
Then it listed the threads you've posted in, with the threads with new post listed at the top.
This a million times. I used it daily until today. Still can't stand the new search. Is there no way to view results as threads instead of posts in the new search?Boards.ie: Danny wrote: »You shouldn't use search just to find out if a thread you made/posted on has new posts, that is what subscriptions/follows are for
Guess we've no choice but to do it that way so......
Just need to the figure out the countless threads i kept an eye on.
Edit 2: When viewing followed threads, one old feature annoyingly missing is being able to either jump to the last unread post, or latest post, or the last page. Making it kinda pointless imo.
Edit 3: Actually i see i can do that stuff from the user cp, a place a rarely frequented before today. This is proving a painfull process! 0 -
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pickarooney wrote: »If I subscribed to threads I'd have to spend an hour a day emptying my Inbox. I honestly don't know how anyone could handle that volume of crap in their mail. I just rely on my memory these days.The "Follow Thread" functionallity was set up for exactly this reason and you have the option to get an instant/daily/weekly email as well as no email. So any emails you get from it are entirely of your own choosing and are therefore, not spam. This is the pop-up you get when you click on the "Follow Thread" button:
I'm only point thing out because 1) it's both unfair and wrong to label the site as a spammer when we clearly aren't and 2) the reason we had a lot of difficulty in getting news to people about their accounts post hack 2 years ago is that people who asked to be alerted via email about things were flagging it as spam when they didn't want to receive it anymore instead of changing their account settings to no longer receive it.
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sentient_6 wrote: »This a million times. I used it daily until today. Still can't stand the new search. Is there no way to view results as threads instead of posts in the new search?
Guess we've no choice but to do it that way so......
Just need to the figure out the countless threads i kept an eye on.
Edit 2: When viewing followed threads, one old feature annoyingly missing is being able to either jump to the last unread post, or latest post, or the last page. Making it kinda pointless imo.
Edit 3: Actually i see i can do that stuff from the user cp, a place a rarely frequented before today. This is proving a painfull process!
It's quite simple really, search should be used for searching. Not for keeping track of what posts you've made, threads you found interesting, etc.
It is the duplication of functionality all across vBulletin (Social Groups are essentially the same as private forums, visitor messages are just PMs posted in public etc) that is yet another core reason why we're moving away from it. People don't know where to start doing anything and people end up using something powerful (i.e. search) to do what 5000+ lines of code were wrote specifically to do i.e. (thread subscriptions/following).
We'd rather standarise what you're all doing than leave search open for one user to plug in "cat + dog" into the search box and take out the site. What use are your search results when you can't read the posts in them because you knocked out the site?0 -
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sentient_6 wrote: »I just discovered if you go to edit options in the cp you can select to automatically subscribe/follow any thread you post in or start. Which will essestially do the same thing but from now on.
Which is exactly what I do. And periodically I'll remove old threads from the subscriptions 0 -
Boards.ie: Danny wrote: »Which is exactly what I do. And periodically I'll remove old threads from the subscriptions
Thats cool so. My concern was removing the old search was removing a convenient way to track threads iv posted in.0 -
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