UK reg car, no log book, urgent

lin33829

I bought a car before X'mas.
It is in UK plate and has no tax or log book.
Now I have insurance but no logbook or reg. Dealer claims he had it decleared and had it registered under his name and will give me the reg number so I can tax it and then get a logbook and change the ownership.
Is it right? I really doubt it. What are the right steps to do it?

No tax, Irish reg or logbook. All I have is a receipt for the car. Pain in the as...
And he seems to be stalling me.

Help please...

corktina

well it would not be legal for him to have sold you the car on UK plates so Id hope what he says is true. He should have had a document back after clearing it which he can give to you to register it into your name and tax it and then the tax book proper would come to you.

He has the system all arse-about face I think.

lin33829

corktina wrote: »

well it would not be legal for him to have sold you the car on UK plates so Id hope what he says is true. He should have had a document back after clearing it which he can give to you to register it into your name and tax it and then the tax book proper would come to you.

He has the system all arse-about face I think.

Thank you corktina, if he's not doing it leagally, who should I report it to and will I get to keep my car?

MidlandsM

lin33829 wrote: »

Thank you corktina, if he's not doing it leagally, who should I report it to and will I get to keep my car?

I'd not go to revenue as they might take the car of you, go back to the dealer and work it through with him, and tell him you'll get revenue involved if he does not have it sorted for you by the end of the week etc.

aujopimur

The VRC (LOGBOOK) won't be issued until it's taxed, you can tax by using the last 6 digits of the VIN.
He should at least have given you the the vrt receipt.if the dealer has it cleared a check with revenue will confirm this.
Your insurers will have notified revenue that they have it insured within 30 days.

lin33829

aujopimur wrote: »

The VRC (LOGBOOK) won't be issued until it's taxed, you can tax by using the last 6 digits of the VIN.
He should at least have given you the the vrt receipt.if the dealer has it cleared a check with revenue will confirm this.
Your insurers will have notified revenue that they have it insured within 30 days.

Hi aujopimur, thank you for your answer but I have no idea what is VIN or vrt. I am new in Ireland... Could you explian it to me? By the way, say if I have the reg but its registered under his name. How and where do I change the ownership?

lin33829

MidlandsM wrote: »

I'd not go to revenue as they might take the car of you, go back to the dealer and work it through with him, and tell him you'll get revenue involved if he does not have it sorted for you by the end of the week etc.

You talk about revenue a lot... What's the full name? thanks again...

Seve OB

VIN = chassis number. it is probably on your windscreen or inside the driver door.

i bought a car from uk last year and like other posters say, i couldnt pay tax till it was registered and vrt paid.

but why would a dealer register it in his own name?? this seems weird to me. most dealers bringing cars in from the uk will wait till it is sold, then register it in the consumers name.

try some of these type of websites to pump the reg number in and get a report, might be worth paying the few quid to find out what he has actually done, or not done!!

www.cartell.ie

mickdw

I think if he can produce a reg and record of vrt (registration tax) payment, you are fine

lin33829

stevieob wrote: »

VIN = chassis number. it is probably on your windscreen or inside the driver door.

i bought a car from uk last year and like other posters say, i couldnt pay tax till it was registered and vrt paid.

but why would a dealer register it in his own name?? this seems weird to me. most dealers bringing cars in from the uk will wait till it is sold, then register it in the consumers name.

try some of these type of websites to pump the reg number in and get a report, might be worth paying the few quid to find out what he has actually done, or not done!!

www.cartell.ie

Thanks, he claimed that since I deman for the reg but he can't sign my name so he registered under his name. I just have no idea what's going on

Seve OB

lin33829 wrote: »

Thanks, he claimed that since I deman for the reg but he can't sign my name so he registered under his name. I just have no idea what's going on

I think he sounds like a chancer.

How long is this going on, when did you buy the car off him exactly?

aujopimur

VIN - vehicle identificion number.
VRT- Vehicle registration tax, payable when a car is imported.
Revenue- revenue commisioners/customs.
Normally a dealer pays the vrt when he sells the car and registers in the purchasers name.
If he has chosen to register it in his own name he will need to apply for a change ownership, if this is the case it could take 2/3 weeks to sort out.
The O'Briens are selling cars for a long time in Cork, I'd be supprised if anything suspect was going with regard to VRT.
Go back to the dealer, ask him to clarify the details re registered owner, get the Irish reg no. and tax it.

lin33829

stevieob wrote: »

I think he sounds like a chancer.

How long is this going on, when did you buy the car off him exactly?

I bought the car just before X'mas

lin33829

aujopimur wrote: »

VIN - vehicle identificion number.
VRT- Vehicle registration tax, payable when a car is imported.
Revenue- revenue commisioners/customs.
Normally a dealer pays the vrt when he sells the car and registers in the purchasers name.
If he has chosen to register it in his own name he will need to apply for a change ownership, if this is the case it could take 2/3 weeks to sort out.
The O'Briens are selling cars for a long time in Cork, I'd be supprised if anything suspect was going with regard to VRT.
Go back to the dealer, ask him to clarify the details re registered owner, get the Irish reg no. and tax it.

thanks a lot. he's always vague when talk and make up all kinds of excueses. That's what bothers me. All he showed to me so far is a stampted form without his signiture and he says that's the evdience of him declearing the car.

Seve OB

lin33829 wrote: »

I bought the car just before X'mas

that is way to long in my book. when i did mine, i went to the VRT office, paid them a cheque and she gave me my registration number, all done in 10 minutes.

what i would do is go to him now, demand to see proof that he has done everything to register the car etc and transfer it into your name.

If he can't show you everything, tell him you are going straight to the Guards and head on your merry way down to the Cop shop and spill the beans

lin33829

stevieob wrote: »

that is way to long in my book. when i did mine, i went to the VRT office, paid them a cheque and she gave me my registration number, all done in 10 minutes.

what i would do is go to him now, demand to see proof that he has done everything to register the car etc and transfer it into your name.

If he can't show you everything, tell him you are going straight to the Guards and head on your merry way down to the Cop shop and spill the beans

thanks for your suggestion.

Seve OB

lin33829 wrote: »

thanks for your suggestion.

make sure to let us know how you get on

lin33829

stevieob wrote: »

make sure to let us know how you get on

called him over an hour ago asking for reg number. He said call me back with the nmbr in 10min. I'd like to get a sometime off work and go get everything from him. But it will be another waste of time. Everytime I go to him he has some crappy excuse. Really dont want to waste my holiday on that...

Seve OB

lin33829 wrote: »

called him over an hour ago asking for reg number. He said call me back with the nmbr in 10min. I'd like to get a sometime off work and go get everything from him. But it will be another waste of time. Everytime I go to him he has some crappy excuse. Really dont want to waste my holiday on that...

call him again - - threaten the guards, see does he give you the reg number then

fanadman1

stevieob wrote: »

call him again - - threaten the guards, see does he give you the reg number then

the man i bought my car of cleared it and evan with a problem with the computers in the vrt centre i had my reg the very next day !! then you can tax it with your reg and you get your log book back

lin33829

Did you bought your car from Jason O'Brian as well? There never was a log book, I need a new one

fanadman1

lin33829 wrote: »

Did you bought your car from Jason O'Brian as well? There never was a log book, I need a new one

no i did not i bought it in donegal privately

aujopimur

It would be a good idea to keep the car off the road and out of sight until it's sorted out.
If it's not cleared by revenue you don't want it confiscated on the side of the road by the customs guys, which they are entitled to do if the VRT has'nt been paid.
If you've driving it, I'm suprised you have'nt been pulled over by now.
Maybe someone on here knows if there's a way to check its VRT status.

lin33829

He told me I can drive since he had it cleared. But I kinda dont trust him anymore. Is there a way to check if it is decleared? Thanks

delta1980

you should go to togher garda station, tell the gardai the story and tell them that you feel that you have been defrauded out of your money as he never provided any proof that he actually owned the car in the 1st place...tell the gardai that you want them to phone him and find out what is going on this is the least they can do. if the dealer is genuine he wont be long sortin it out once the gardai contact them

aujopimur

A mate has told me you can contact revenue/vrt in Rosslare to check if the car has been cleared.

lin33829

delta1980 wrote: »

you should go to togher garda station, tell the gardai the story and tell them that you feel that you have been defrauded out of your money as he never provided any proof that he actually owned the car in the 1st place...tell the gardai that you want them to phone him and find out what is going on this is the least they can do. if the dealer is genuine he wont be long sortin it out once the gardai contact them

The problem is, if I got cop on this, will they take the car if it is not cleared? That's a dilemma。。。

ebbsy

Does a garage not deal with the transfer of ownership online......provided it is the owner of course ????

lin33829

ebbsy wrote: »

Does a garage not deal with the transfer of ownership online......provided it is the owner of course ????

I have no idea... Can they do it online?

Our man in Havana

If the car was cleared you would have the Irish reg number. Seeing as you don'tit is safe to say it has not been cleared and you are the sitting duck that customs are waiting for. With no documents you are in a very weak position.

ebbsy

lin33829 wrote: »

I have no idea... Can they do it online?

The last car I bought was registered online, because Shannon told me.

Our man in Havana

New cars are now registered online by dealers. Change of ownership may be different.

Gophur

delta1980 wrote:

you should go to togher garda station, tell the gardai the story and tell them that you feel that you have been defrauded out of your money as he never provided any proof that he actually owned the car in the 1st place...tell the gardai that you want them to phone him and find out what is going on this is the least they can do. if the dealer is genuine he wont be long sortin it out once the gardai contact them

As this is a civil matter, beween the dealer and the buyer, it has nothing to do with the Gardai. Don't expect the Gardai to follow such a request.

lin33829

Gophur wrote: »

As this is a civil matter, beween the dealer and the buyer, it has nothing to do with the Gardai. Don't expect the Gardai to follow such a request.

thanks for the heads up

Our man in Havana

Why in the name of all that is holy did you accept a car with no documents?

Seve OB

Our man in Havana wrote: »

New cars are now registered online by dealers. Change of ownership may be different.

Yea but this is an imported car which has not been registered in the state so therefore it is essentially a new car

Gophur wrote: »

As this is a civil matter, beween the dealer and the buyer, it has nothing to do with the Gardai. Don't expect the Gardai to follow such a request.

sounds like a case of fraud to me so I would still be going to the Gardai.

Now on the other hand as lin33829 is sceptical about going to the cops because he doesn't want his vehicle lifted, he could asways "talk to Joe!", he would love this one!

Our man in Havana

Yea but this is an imported car which has not been registered in the state so therefore it is essentially a new car

Do dealers not have to present their imports to a NCT place for payment of VRT?

Seve OB

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Do dealers not have to present their imports to a NCT place for payment of VRT?

no. they just need to bring the sales invoice to the VRT office and vrt is paid based on a % of the sales value. the % will depend on the vehicle in question

lin33829

stevieob wrote: »

Yea but this is an imported car which has not been registered in the state so therefore it is essentially a new car



sounds like a case of fraud to me so I would still be going to the Gardai.

Now on the other hand as lin33829 is sceptical about going to the cops because he doesn't want his vehicle lifted, he could asways "talk to Joe!", he would love this one!

what is "talk to joe"..........

Our man in Havana

lin33829 wrote: »

what is "talk to joe"..........

Liveline. Joe Duffy is the presenter.

Our man in Havana

stevieob wrote: »

no. they just need to bring the sales invoice to the VRT office and vrt is paid based on a % of the sales value. the % will depend on the vehicle in question

What a crock that is. So open for abuse.

Seve OB

lin33829 wrote: »

what is "talk to joe"..........

a radio show on RTE radio 1 where listeners regularily send in consumer issues like your and he will name and shame the garage, he will ring them for answers and do a bit of battle on your behalf

Gareth2011

lin33829 wrote: »

I bought a car from Jason O'brian car sale on tramore rd before X'mas.
It is in UK plate and has no tax or log book.
Now I have insurance but no logbook or reg. Dealer claims he had it decleared and had it registered under his name and will give me the reg number so I can tax it and then get a logbook and change the ownership.
Is it right? I really doubt it. What are the right steps to do it?

No tax, Irish reg or logbook. All I have is a receipt for the car. Pain in the as...
And he seems to be stalling me.

Help please...

I can only hope you sent the reg to that car check crowd. They will tell you if there is any problems with the car before you buy as in reported stolen, write off, damaged etc. As you have already bought I would still do it you can find them online its a text service but the fact there is no log book is very dogdy. It could be nicked and sent over here.

lin33829

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Liveline. Joe Duffy is the presenter.

think I might have listened to it before.good stuff

Seve OB

Gareth2011 wrote: »

I can only hope you sent the reg to that car check crowd. They will tell you if there is any problems with the car before you buy as in reported stolen, write off, damaged etc. As you have already bought I would still do it you can find them online its a text service but the fact there is no log book is very dogdy. It could be nicked and sent over here.

www.cartell.ie

you can even check the uk reg number there

cpoh1

lin33829 wrote: »

I bought a car before X'mas.
It is in UK plate and has no tax or log book.
Now I have insurance but no logbook or reg. Dealer claims he had it decleared and had it registered under his name and will give me the reg number so I can tax it and then get a logbook and change the ownership.
Is it right? I really doubt it. What are the right steps to do it?

No tax, Irish reg or logbook. All I have is a receipt for the car. Pain in the as...
And he seems to be stalling me.

Help please...

So what exactly have you done since this thread started? In my opinion you have gotten some off the wall opinions and advice on here when the common sense approach has been ignored...call into the guy!

If he is telling you the car is registered and VRT paid ask him for the following:

1. Some sort of proof of ownership

2. Receipt of VRT when it was paid

3. Your new Irish registration number

If he has none of those then its time to escalate things. Tell him you are not leaving until he either confirms that the car is registered in Ireland (tell him to make a call to the VRT office if needs be) or give it back to him with a refund.

People telling you to ring Joe duffy or call into the local Garda station are wasting your time. The only one who can help you sort this out is Jason O'Brien himself.

R.O.R

stevieob wrote: »

no. they just need to bring the sales invoice to the VRT office and vrt is paid based on a % of the sales value. the % will depend on the vehicle in question

Our man in Havana wrote: »

What a crock that is. So open for abuse.

I don't reg imports, but that sounds like it's totally incorrect. VRT is still based on the OMSP whether it's a dealer or private individual registering the vehicle.

Seve OB

R.O.R wrote: »

I don't reg imports, but that sounds like it's totally incorrect. VRT is still based on the OMSP whether it's a dealer or private individual registering the vehicle.

true, but when i registered mine the OMSP was way over the odds. i had to pay them, then claim the overpayment back, which they were very happy to do because i supplied backup information.

now i was told that the alternative to having to pay up and claim back, was that if there was a sales invoice from a dealer to back up the price i put on the car rather than the omsp decided by a number cruncher. I took it from this that the dealer would do it themselves, as was the case at the desk next to me.

obviously, if the dealers invoice is way off the OMSP, then the VRT crowd will look into it in more detail

Seve OB

cpoh1 wrote: »

So what exactly have you done since this thread started? In my opinion you have gotten some off the wall opinions and advice on here when the common sense approach has been ignored...call into the guy!

If he is telling you the car is registered and VRT paid ask him for the following:

1. Some sort of proof of ownership

2. Receipt of VRT when it was paid

3. Your new Irish registration number

If he has none of those then its time to escalate things. Tell him you are not leaving until he either confirms that the car is registered in Ireland (tell him to make a call to the VRT office if needs be) or give it back to him with a refund.

People telling you to ring Joe duffy or call into the local Garda station are wasting your time. The only one who can help you sort this out is Jason O'Brien himself.

don't think you have actually read the whole thread. He has done all this and Jason is being a prick and not giving him a straight answer, which is why I recomended the Guards or Joe Duffy.

what do you recomend he do to escalate things?

cpoh1

stevieob wrote: »

don't think you have actually read the whole thread. He has done all this and Jason is being a prick and not giving him a straight answer, which is why I recomended the Guards or Joe Duffy.

what do you recomend he do to escalate things?

Ive read the thread fine, the OP is confused and hasnt gone about this in a structured way simply because she doesnt know what she needs or is entitled to. Telling her to contact Joe duffy who has never sorted a real world problem in his life or call the guards who will offer no help in a civil case like this are both typical boards responses that are all guff and no substance.

Like i said already she needs to call into the guy preferably with someone who knows what they are talking about and take it from there.

cpoh1

stevieob wrote: »

don't think you have actually read the whole thread. He has done all this and Jason is being a prick and not giving him a straight answer, which is why I recomended the Guards or Joe Duffy.

what do you recomend he do to escalate things?

By the way judging by the number of reponses from you on this thread and the way in which you addressed the vendor in the quoted post it is obvious you either know the guy or had a poor dealing with him in the past. Maybe getting a little personal with insults when you have no first hand experience of what is going on and only getting one side of the story?