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How would you solve the problems in the Education system?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭vamos!


    I had promised myself that I wouldn't get involved in this thread but I am very afraid of the impression non-teachers are getting by reading it. Can I point out that spending on education (excluding the controversial wage issue) could have been higher during the boom. It wasn't and we can't change that. I have now worked in a number of schools. Most schools have at least some interactive whiteboards. They are great but are hardly revolutionary! Classrooms that do not have interactive boards usually have a data projector. Students are rarely expected to sit for 40 mins. I really do believe that every student needs to learn how to sit and work for 40 mins when required. It is training for the exams. Most teachers have heard of, and do implement differentiation, aspects of peer assessment and AFL. Again, most of micropig's suggestions are actually in practice in classrooms around the country. Ditto for computer literate teachers, school websites etc.

    Any parents should be able to tell you that schools offer a very wide variety of extra curricular activities run on a voluntary basis. I don't believe that they should be made compulsory. The goodwill would dissipate and the activities may no longer be enjoyable.

    SNAs are not equipment, nor are they general classroom assistants.

    The curriculum needs to change in most subjects. We often have no choice but to teach to an outdated, demanding curriculum. A new curriculum could leave time for more active learning.

    If pay needs to be cut, it should be cut across the board. Every member of staff needs to be targeted proportionately.

    We do not need to introduce the English system of excessive paperwork.

    Incompetent teachers should be more closely monitored and gotten rid of if they dont want to or cant improve. I'm also all for a new inspection system. It should inspect the teaching, rather than the reams of paperwork.

    We have no more money and need to make do with what we have IT-wise. I would much prefer to see money spent on updating curricula.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    vamos! wrote: »
    I had promised myself that I wouldn't get involved in this thread but I am very afraid of the impression non-teachers are getting by reading it. Can I point out that spending on education (excluding the controversial wage issue) could have been higher during the boom. It wasn't and we can't change that. I have now worked in a number of schools. Most schools have at least some interactive whiteboards. They are great but are hardly revolutionary! Classrooms that do not have interactive boards usually have a data projector. Students are rarely expected to sit for 40 mins. I really do believe that every student needs to learn how to sit and work for 40 mins when required. It is training for the exams. Most teachers have heard of, and do implement differentiation, aspects of peer assessment and AFL. Again, most of micropig's suggestions are actually in practice in classrooms around the country. Ditto for computer literate teachers, school websites etc.

    Any parents should be able to tell you that schools offer a very wide variety of extra curricular activities run on a voluntary basis. I don't believe that they should be made compulsory. The goodwill would dissipate and the activities may no longer be enjoyable.

    SNAs are not equipment, nor are they general classroom assistants.

    The curriculum needs to change in most subjects. We often have no choice but to teach to an outdated, demanding curriculum. A new curriculum could leave time for more active learning.

    If pay needs to be cut, it should be cut across the board. Every member of staff needs to be targeted proportionately.

    We do not need to introduce the English system of excessive paperwork.

    Incompetent teachers should be more closely monitored and gotten rid of if they dont want to or cant improve. I'm also all for a new inspection system. It should inspect the teaching, rather than the reams of paperwork.

    We have no more money and need to make do with what we have IT-wise. I would much prefer to see money spent on updating curricula.

    The best post I have read anywhere on boards in a long long time. Your waiting to respond has obviously paid off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    Ok we will try it a different way as you suggest to take into account you are obviously not the type of learner I am currently aiming my questions at.

    Knowing what you know now about the situation, how the information was not available to me for 9am in the morning as would have been ideal, however did not work in practice, and putting yourself in my shoes at that time how would you have done it differently.

    And could you respond instead of ignoring my questions in relation to background and I would ask you not to repost the same answer that has been put out numerous times before "would my background make my points any less valid" or something along this line.

    We are going around in circles with this-
    Why was the information and lesson plans not available to you on the school system?

    I'm am not suggesting at all you did not do your/best or a good job

    Rough outline of my background:

    1st class hounours degree in my chosen field (4years)
    Pgce & master in education (18 months)
    10 years at management level industry
    2years teaching in Ireland
    7 years teaching abroad

    Anything else I missed? Does this have any bearing on the points I am making?


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    micropig wrote: »
    my point earlier in the thread - teach the children to be independent researchers, train then where to find & validate relevant information is better than just giving them the information

    No flim-flam, please, and no trying to hide in the classroom, with all due respect. You didn't answer the question right the first time around. Are you going to re-read it and have another go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    We are going around in circles with this-
    Why was the information and lesson plans not available to you on the school system?

    I'm am not suggesting at all you did not do your/best or a good job

    Rough outline of my background:

    1st class hounours degree in my chosen field (4years)
    Pgce & master in education (18 months)
    10 years at management level industry
    2years teaching in Ireland
    7 years teaching abroad

    Anything else I missed? Does this have any bearing on the points I am making?

    To be clear you did call me unprepared unmotivated, someone who did not differentiate their lessons so you DID suggest I did not do a good job. No point in lying now about things. I can quote the posts if you so wish.

    I asked you what you would have done seen as you have posted numerous times that my lesson was not differentiated enough despite the problems listed in the last post. You did not answer this question

    Again I find myself repeating myself to you As I already explained the information and plans were there with the teacher at home where they were working on them as any good teacher would do however been taken to hospital generally you do not ask to stop off on the way to drop off things.

    Yes it does have bearing as I now know you are a teacher and have experience in the field which does give weight to your arguments. I did point this out to you a long long time ago that that may be the outcome.

    Seen as you asked "anything else I missed" I do have one further question apart from the one at the start of this post. Are you currently teaching in the Irish education system at primary or secondary level or in an education system in another country? Thanks


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    vamos! wrote: »
    I had promised myself that I wouldn't get involved in this thread but I am very afraid of the impression non-teachers are getting by reading it. Can I point out that spending on education (excluding the controversial wage issue) could have been higher during the boom. It wasn't and we can't change that. I have now worked in a number of schools. Most schools have at least some interactive whiteboards. They are great but are hardly revolutionary! Classrooms that do not have interactive boards usually have a data projector. Students are rarely expected to sit for 40 mins. I really do believe that every student needs to learn how to sit and work for 40 mins when required. It is training for the exams. Most teachers have heard of, and do implement differentiation, aspects of peer assessment and AFL. Again, most of micropig's suggestions are actually in practice in classrooms around the country. Ditto for computer literate teachers, school websites etc.

    Any parents should be able to tell you that schools offer a very wide variety of extra curricular activities run on a voluntary basis. I don't believe that they should be made compulsory. The goodwill would dissipate and the activities may no longer be enjoyable.

    SNAs are not equipment, nor are they general classroom assistants.

    The curriculum needs to change in most subjects. We often have no choice but to teach to an outdated, demanding curriculum. A new curriculum could leave time for more active learning.

    If pay needs to be cut, it should be cut across the board. Every member of staff needs to be targeted proportionately.

    We do not need to introduce the English system of excessive paperwork.

    Incompetent teachers should be more closely monitored and gotten rid of if they dont want to or cant improve. I'm also all for a new inspection system. It should inspect the teaching, rather than the reams of paperwork.

    We have no more money and need to make do with what we have IT-wise. I would much prefer to see money spent on updating curricula.

    Why afraid ... because I am making valid points
    Interactive white boards can be used in a lot of ways, the only limit is the teachers innovation
    Spending on education was high enough during the boom-it was badly spent though
    How long/ week do teachers spend correcting? Surely if peer/self assessment is in place and students using it properly are trained, this is minimal.

    SNA's are vital to supporting students..hence I refered to them as basic equipment

    Why across the board. Ineffective teachers need to be got rid of first
    Not suggesting excessive paperwork but am beginning to wonder how much paperwork teachers currently do?

    +1 update the curriculum, but if the students aren't engaging?? but definitely agree curriculum needs looking at


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    To be clear you did call me unprepared unmotivated, someone who did not differentiate their lessons so you DID suggest I did not do a good job. No point in lying now about things. I can quote the posts if you so wish.

    I asked you what you would have done seen as you have posted numerous times that my lesson was not differentiated enough despite the problems listed in the last post. You did not answer this question

    Again I find myself repeating myself to you As I already explained the information and plans were there with the teacher at home where they were working on them as any good teacher would do however been taken to hospital generally you do not ask to stop off on the way to drop off things.

    Yes it does have bearing as I now know you are a teacher and have experience in the field which does give weight to your arguments. I did point this out to you a long long time ago that that may be the outcome.

    Seen as you asked "anything else I missed" I do have one further question apart from the one at the start of this post. Are you currently teaching in the Irish education system at primary or secondary level or in an education system in another country? Thanks

    What I was really asking you is this:

    Is it the students fault that they don't have the ability?
    or
    Is it the teachers fault they did not get have this information?

    I know nothing about the rest of your teaching. I am just refering to this situation you presented

    Not answering the last question, might get lynched tomorrow;)

    Edit: just to clarify any situations I commented on where presented to me
    What can you do if the students won't sit at their desk for 40 mins
    What do you do if student can't read the question etc..

    These kind of questions horrify me for many reasons

    Most issues teachers have presented as behaviour issues so far, I don't think are behaviour issues but teacher issues


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    Why afraid ... because I am making valid points
    Interactive white boards can be used in a lot of ways, the only limit is the teachers innovation
    Spending on education was high enough during the boom-it was badly spent though
    How long/ week do teachers spend correcting? Surely if peer/self assessment is in place and students using it properly are trained, this is minimal.

    SNA's are vital to supporting students..hence I refered to them as basic equipment

    Why across the board. Ineffective teachers need to be got rid of first
    Not suggesting excessive paperwork but am beginning to wonder how much paperwork teachers currently do?

    +1 update the curriculum, but if the students aren't engaging?? but definitely agree curriculum needs looking at

    You keep repeating the same things when people are not disagreeing with you, however you seem to think they are.

    To respond to the question in bold:
    I am the only teacher in the school teaching 4 subjects. I have completed 4 schemes of work for my subjects ranging from 42 - 49 pages each. This is aside from topic schemes of work for each one and then obviously your lesson plans as well. This is aside from any paperwork I must complete on any students, exam results, obviously we already spoke about correcting, plus as I am a practical teacher I also have paperwork to do with ordering materials, keeping machines up to date, serviced etc. There is probably more but that was just off the top of my head


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    What I was really asking you is this:

    Is it the students fault that they don't have the ability?
    or
    Is it the teachers fault they did not get have this information?

    I know nothing about the rest of your teaching. I am just refering to this situation you presented

    Not answering the last question, might get lynched tomorrow;)

    You no nothing about my teaching at all yet have seen fit to criticise me numerous times. I have already said and will AGAIN due to extreme unforeseen circumstances that are really not run of the mill days things were not available. I take issue with you implying that I was blaming the student in some way. Obviously it was in no way the students fault this is a stupid thing to say.

    I do not understand the last part I do not see how you might get lynched. I am a current teacher and have posted to you numerous times that I think pay should be cut and holidays shortened, surely this would get me lynched also.

    Now you asked did I have any other question I asked one and you again did not answer I would appreciate an answer to be honest.

    Thank you for your response


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    You keep repeating the same things when people are not disagreeing with you, however you seem to think they are.

    To respond to the question in bold:
    I am the only teacher in the school teaching 4 subjects. I have completed 4 schemes of work for my subjects ranging from 42 - 49 pages each. This is aside from topic schemes of work for each one and then obviously your lesson plans as well. This is aside from any paperwork I must complete on any students, exam results, obviously we already spoke about correcting, plus as I am a practical teacher I also have paperwork to do with ordering materials, keeping machines up to date, serviced etc. There is probably more but that was just off the top of my head

    what I want to know is how much of a teachers week is spet correcting subjects-a common complaint is that correcting takes large amounts of time, so it would be good to clarify how many hours.

    Ok so if everyone agrees on the issues the big question is for teachers?
    Would you be willing to take a pay cut to improve you conditions.

    Our education system is bad and getting worse. Students are achieving less and costing us more to educate. If not suggest another solution & it can't be nothing can be done because there is no money.

    You sound very busy and active in the school which is great. If you can prepare your lesson plans in advance, why can't other teachers do the same and leave all in the system so that if some one who doesn't normally teach the class, has to take the class for whatever reason, has access to this?

    Do schools have virtual learning environments set up and in use?

    Re: your other question It's not relevant. I am only dealing with situations presented to me in the threads? why does it matter where I work?


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    micropig wrote: »

    Ok so if everyone agrees on the issues the big question is for teachers?
    Would you be willing to take a pay cut to improve you conditions.

    Any chance of addressing that F grade sometime?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    what I want to know is how much of a teachers week is spet correcting subjects-a common complaint is that correcting takes large amounts of time, so it would be good to clarify how many hours.

    Ok so if everyone agrees on the issues the big question is for teachers?
    Would you be willing to take a pay cut to improve you conditions.

    Our education system is bad and getting worse. Students are achieving less and costing us more to educate. If not suggest another solution & it can't be nothing can be done because there is no money.

    You sound very busy and active in the school which is great. If you can prepare your lesson plans in advance, why can't other teachers do the same and leave all in the system so that if some one who doesn't normally teach the class, has to take the class for whatever reason, has access to this?

    Do schools have virtual learning environments set up and in use?

    I would say time spent correcting depends on the subject I have never added up how long it takes to be honest

    OK I'M PUTTING THIS IN BIG LETTERS BECUASE I AM GETTING FRUSTRATED I HAVE POSTED AT LESAT 4 TIMES THAT I BELIVE THERE SHOULD BE A PAY CUT ACROSS THE BOARD AND REDUCED HOLIDAYS. Apologies for the caps.

    Personally I find preparing many lesson plans in advance is a waste of time due to school activities, things that interupt lessons etc. I find that one days lesson will lead to the next days lesson plan. The topic scheme will give a general idea on where things should be each day but preparing lesson plans IN MY PERSONAL OPINION well in advance is a waste of time.

    Yes my school has virtual learning environments available for all teachers to use. I also use YouTube to produce my own videos for the students and to post other videos I find useful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Any chance of addressing that F grade sometime?

    Already addressed the fish thing. It re-enforces the point I was making earlier.

    Can you give me more feedback as to why I got the F?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »

    Re: your other question It's not relevant. I am only dealing with situations presented to me in the threads? why does it matter where I work?

    I disagree that it is irrelevant for example if you teach in another country that is extremely well resources it does explain view points. I am not getting into our system and resources again please.

    If you are out of teaching for a number of years it changes things also as a lot of your points may be theory rather than practice that you actually do.

    I am not asking for your schools name I just asked do you currently teach in the Irish or education system abroad or are you currently out of the education system.

    And can I point out that you got very annoyed when you felt people were not answering the questions you posed originally now you are doing the same


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    micropig wrote: »
    Can you give me more feedback as to why I got the F?

    How much more do you need?

    You didn't read the question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »

    Personally I find preparing many lesson plans in advance is a waste of time due to school activities, things that interupt lessons etc. I find that one days lesson will lead to the next days lesson plan. The topic scheme will give a general idea on where things should be each day but preparing lesson plans IN MY PERSONAL OPINION well in advance is a waste of time.

    Sorry to keep referring to the uk but standard practice there in most schools is to plan at least a week in advance. Then the teacher just tweaks it depending on how the lessons progress. I think this is good. Long & short term planning gives structure & direction to lessons.

    If it was standard practice here, you would not have been put in the position of having to stay up have the night planning lessons, without knowledge of the students you where going to teach......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    How much more do you need?

    You didn't read the question.

    Can you ask it again so?
    I missed it first time around
    Can you present it to me in another format?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    Sorry to keep referring to the uk but standard practice there in most schools is to plan at least a week in advance. Then the teacher just tweaks it depending on how the lessons progress. I think this is good. Long & short term planning gives structure & direction to lessons.

    If it was standard practice here, you would not have been put in the position of having to stay up have the night planning lessons, without knowledge of the students you where going to teach......

    In my last point I referred to "well in advance" I presumed you were talking about weeks of lesson plans. Obviously lesson plans are done in advance and tweaked as I said when the last lesson lends to tweaking of the next lesson.

    Again the context of the situation is being ignored by you the teacher, as I explained, had plans at home but was taken into hospital. Their materials were not available to me from their house as the family had more pressing things to worry about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    seavill wrote: »
    I disagree that it is irrelevant for example if you teach in another country that is extremely well resources it does explain view points. I am not getting into our system and resources again please.

    If you are out of teaching for a number of years it changes things also as a lot of your points may be theory rather than practice that you actually do.

    I am not asking for your schools name I just asked do you currently teach in the Irish or education system abroad or are you currently out of the education system.

    And can I point out that you got very annoyed when you felt people were not answering the questions you posed originally now you are doing the same

    can you respond to the above please


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    micropig wrote: »
    I missed it first time around

    But you gave an answer. :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    I disagree that it is irrelevant for example if you teach in another country that is extremely well resources it does explain view points. I am not getting into our system and resources again please.

    If you are out of teaching for a number of years it changes things also as a lot of your points may be theory rather than practice that you actually do.

    I am not asking for your schools name I just asked do you currently teach in the Irish or education system abroad or are you currently out of the education system.

    And can I point out that you got very annoyed when you felt people were not answering the questions you posed originally now you are doing the same

    Irrelevant where I currently work. The situations I am responding to have been posed by Irish teachers, not issues posed by myself. Does it matter if it is now or 5 years ago I've seen technology used successfully to engage students. It makes the point no less relevant

    Anyway, this is the last time I'm answering this nonsense question. IT IS NOT RELEVANT

    Guarantee I practice all theory I preach


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    But you gave an answer. :confused:

    Yes but you said I still failed:(
    I am asking you how I can improve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    In my last point I referred to "well in advance" I presumed you were talking about weeks of lesson plans. Obviously lesson plans are done in advance and tweaked as I said when the last lesson lends to tweaking of the next lesson.

    Again the context of the situation is being ignored by you the teacher, as I explained, had plans at home but was taken into hospital. Their materials were not available to me from their house as the family had more pressing things to worry about.

    AGAIN. NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION WAS, THE LESSON PLANS & INFORMATION REGARDING STUDENTS ABILITIES SHOULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO YOU

    People get sick, things happen all the time. Why should the student suffer because of it. The lesson plans and IEP's should have been on the system available to you & resources prepared for you in advance by the other teacher, before they took ill. Where they leaving all their preparation until the night before? How do you get resources sorted in time if it is left this late to plan? Their lack of preparation, increased your workload


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    Irrelevant where I currently work. The situations I am responding to have been posed by Irish teachers, not issues posed by myself. Does it matter if it is now or 5 years ago I've seen technology used successfully to engage students. It makes the point no less relevant

    Anyway, this is the last time I'm answering this nonsense question. IT IS NOT RELEVANT

    Guarantee I practice all theory I preach

    Ulysses1874 I like your style;)

    IF I SAY IT IN CAPS DOES IT MAKE IT TRUE LIKE YOU SEEM TO THINK, I'LL TRY IT

    IT IS RELEVANT

    Now we shall have to agree to disagree on that one I think.

    I think at this stage I will bow to your superior knowledge on all things educational.

    And for someone who is trying to give the impression that you are currently teaching you have an awful lot of questions about how much correcting and planning etc that teachers do.
    Maybe another way to post would be to say how much you do and then ask people are they in a similar position.

    Just an idea but still I am obviously well below you as are all the teachers posting in this thread so I will just go along with whatever you say as gospel at this stage.

    Kind regards,
    Seavill


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    AGAIN. NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION WAS, THE LESSON PLANS & INFORMATION REGARDING STUDENTS ABILITIES SHOULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO YOU

    People get sick, things happen all the time. Why should the student suffer because of it. The lesson plans and IEP's should have been on the system available to you & resources prepared for you in advance by the other teacher, before they took ill. Where they leaving all their preparation until the night before? How do you get resources sorted in time if it is left this late to plan? Their lack of preparation, increased your workload

    I shall respond to your questions to clear up your misconceptions

    The lesson plans and IEP's should have been on the system available to you & resources prepared for you in advance by the other teacher, before they took ill
    The lesson plans etc. were prepared by the teacher however they were working on them at home the night they had a heart attack. There is currently no "system" available to that teacher other than their own records and materials.

    Edit, apologies for the sarcastic tone of my previous post, its late at night


    Where they leaving all their preparation until the night before?

    They were not. They were working on their plans like I would suggest, as I'm sure you would, that any good teacher would do before they would go in the next day. As we have discussed previously the "tweaking" that is needed needs to be done at some stage. this particular person was doing it when they were taken ill. This tweaking of lesson plans as we discussed cannot be done weeks in advance.

    As discussed the heart attack I referred to is generally not something that people are preparing for when planning a week in school. The person you are insulting, again without knowing the ins and outs, had all their materials and plans done and was getting ready for the next day like any good teacher should. Some things are out of even your control Micropig. God forbid this would happen to you at any stage but again I'm sure you and your family would have more things to be worrying about than 9am class if this were the case


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    Ulysses1874 I like your style;)

    IF I SAY IT IN CAPS DOES IT MAKE IT TRUE LIKE YOU SEEM TO THINK, I'LL TRY IT

    IT IS RELEVANT

    Now we shall have to agree to disagree on that one I think.

    I think at this stage I will bow to your superior knowledge on all things educational.

    And for someone who is trying to give the impression that you are currently teaching you have an awful lot of questions about how much correcting and planning etc that teachers do.
    Maybe another way to post would be to say how much you do and then ask people are they in a similar position.

    Just an idea but still I am obviously well below you as are all the teachers posting in this thread so I will just go along with whatever you say as gospel at this stage.

    Kind regards,
    Seavill

    Never once suggested that anyone was below me and if you read the first post carefully you will see I asked for all opinions and didn't just want to limit it to people working in education.

    The reason I ask the questions is I want a teacher to clarify how much time exactly correcting takes up. I don't think this is too much to ask, as a lot of teachers complain it is a heavy load.

    Just because I make suggestions on how teaching can be improved I think teachers are beneath me???????????????

    You have not come up with the most basic solutions yourself and I believe it was you who asked about what to do it the child can't read the question?


    & you insisted on knowing my background


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    I shall respond to your questions to clear up your misconceptions

    The lesson plans and IEP's should have been on the system available to you & resources prepared for you in advance by the other teacher, before they took ill
    The lesson plans etc. were prepared by the teacher however they were working on them at home the night they had a heart attack. There is currently no "system" available to that teacher other than their own records and materials.


    Where they leaving all their preparation until the night before?

    They were not. They were working on their plans like I would suggest, as I'm sure you would, that any good teacher would do before they would go in the next day. As we have discussed previously the "tweaking" that is needed needs to be done at some stage. this particular person was doing it when they were taken ill. This tweaking of lesson plans as we discussed cannot be done weeks in advance.

    As discussed the heart attack I referred to is generally not something that people are preparing for when planning a week in school. The person you are insulting, again without knowing the ins and outs, had all their materials and plans done and was getting ready for the next day like any good teacher should. Some things are out of even your control Micropig. God forbid this would happen to you at any stage but again I'm sure you and your family would have more things to be worrying about than 9am class if this were the case

    Maybe its time so such a system was introduced?? So people like yourself don't get landed with a lot of unexpected work to do?

    Lesson plans, usually have to be tweaked as the class proceeds


    Somethings are out of our control and somethings are within our control. Why should 30x9 students miss out because 1 teacher is ill?

    *Just seen the other thread where a teacher is wondering what the hell is going on in primary schools-interesting eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    Never once suggested that anyone was below me and if you read the first post carefully you will see I asked for all opinions and didn't just want to limit it to people working in education.

    The reason I ask the questions is I want a teacher to clarify how much time exactly correcting takes up. I don't think this is too much to ask, as a lot of teachers complain it is a heavy load.

    Just because I make suggestions on how teaching can be improved I think teachers are beneath me???????????????

    You have not come up with the most basic solutions yourself and I believe it was you who asked about what to do it the child can't read the question?


    & you insisted on knowing my background

    OK you asked me I responded now I ask you how much time do you spend correcting for your classes??????

    No your suggestions do not make you seem that you are above others your responses to peoples posts make this seem the case, particularly your insulting ones.

    I posed a question based on your response to me. I did not say that I could not come up with the basic solution. I just did what you seem so keen on doing which was posed a question to you to get a varied response (without giving the answer in the first place, great teaching technique for all those not up on the current techniques like myself and Micropig)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    seavill wrote: »
    OK you asked me I responded now I ask you how much time do you spend correcting for your classes??????

    No your suggestions do not make you seem that you are above others your responses to peoples posts make this seem the case, particularly your insulting ones.

    I posed a question based on your response to me. I did not say that I could not come up with the basic solution. I just did what you seem so keen on doing which was posed a question to you to get a varied response (without giving the answer in the first place, great teaching technique for all those not up on the current techniques like myself and Micropig)

    Sorry can you quote exactly where I am being insulting?

    So time spent correcting is not an issue for teachers then?
    I made my views perfectly clear in the other thread and wanted to get other people opinions and thoughts before I influenced them with my own

    Edit: I spend about 2-3 hours a week correcting


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    micropig wrote: »
    Maybe its time so such a system was introduced?? So people like yourself don't get landed with a lot of unexpected work to do?

    Lesson plans, usually have to be tweaked as the class proceeds


    Somethings are out of our control and somethings are within our control. Why should 30x9 students miss out because 1 teacher is ill?

    *Just seen the other thread where a teacher is wondering what the hell is going on in primary schools-interesting eh?

    A great suggestion to be honest maybe some system should be set up for that purpose. Only problem there is our fantastic internet systems in schools can cause issues there daily :P

    Lesson plans do not get tweaked the lesson gets tweaked. Afterwards the plan gets reviewed and tweaked for future reference.

    In all fairness you are being very harsh putting blame on a teacher who has a heart attack. These things happen it is called life. Obviously, and again, we are talking about an extreme here


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