Why do you hate anime?

the_syco

Light hearted humour :P

I hate anime, as I should've gone to bed 5 hours ago, but god damn, Armored Trooper Votoms is good! :cool:

And only 15 episodes or so more to go... :pac:

Shield

Never understood the attraction myself. Is it the graphics? Story lines? Characters? Music? Why are you still up 5 hours past your bedtime? :pac:

cocoshovel

I enjoy the animation style, its different sense of humor and storylines. I dont watch western TV at all so when I started watching this I found something to fill the gap.

Not sure what I hate about it.

Varkov

yaoi

Thomas-G

When you compare what people rage about being terrible and overrated in anime (K-On!, Evangelion, Death Note) and what people rage about being terrible and overrated on western TV (CSI, Lost, all those MTV shows) it's clear which is stronger as a form of media.
I'm watching most of the shows this season and while some of them aren't amazing masterpieces they're all what would be classified as GOOD, rather than just WATCHABLE. In contrast, most new shows on western TV fall into WATCHABLE almost automatically. Masterpieces are as rare as hen's teeth, just look at all the hype Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones get, because they're not terrible! A lot of this is of coarse due to size of budget and trying to make a show safe.

Now on to why I hate anime, because it's too good! Why can't there be more unwatchable trash, WHY! Then I could play more games

Butterscotch

cocoshovel wrote: »

I enjoy the animation style, its different sense of humor and storylines. I dont watch western TV at all so when I started watching this I found something to fill the gap.

I am the same, funny enough. I can't get a kick out of watching TV series like I do with watching anime and reading manga and books. I feel I watch TV series for the sake of it but I really enjoy watching anime and it gives me a joy like no idea and leaves me with a happy mood. I also feel anime helps me alot with being immaginative. I love everything about it.

What I don't like? Hmmm maybe the loud annoying fangirls and fanboys it atracts but I can be one of them or I was one of them when I was younger. :P I think I would have to go for Yaoi too.

cocoshovel

Yes, thats one thing I really dislike is the loud, immature, childish people it can attract and some of the shows they watch. Makes me look bad!
Its quite cringeworthy indeed.
I tend to be a more sophisticated anime viewer *adjusts monicle*.

Art_Wolf

Because after hearing the sub it is very rare to like the match of the dub voice to the character and if I have to watch it subbed I can't just having it playing randomly taking up half the screen...

tryde

Because they drag out story in most anime series so badly ! Honestly, most of anime series I watch, I end up going to read their manga if they have one, because it's simply much better.

Of course there are few gems, such as TTGL, Gundam00, Gintama, Sket Dance and some other~

Thomas-G

tryde wrote: »

Because they drag out story in most anime series so badly ! Honestly, most of anime series I watch, I end up going to read their manga if they have one, because it's simply much better.

Of course there are few gems, such as TTGL, Gundam00, Gintama, Sket Dance and some other~

You're watching the wrong shows

tryde

Thomas-G wrote: »

You're watching the wrong shows

How many good shows were there in the last 15 years? Anime producers are always faced with budget issues or catching up to manga, while mangaka doesn't have to worry so much that some panels will cost too much to animate or that he's running out of story to write about.

To be honest most decent anime series are the ones not based on manga or novels, say TTGL or Gundam series.

Thomas-G

tryde wrote: »

How many good shows were there in the last 15 years? Anime producers are always faced with budget issues or catching up to manga, while mangaka doesn't have to worry so much that some panels will cost too much to animate or that he's running out of story to write about.

To be honest most decent anime series are the ones not based on manga or novels, say TTGL or Gundam series.

How many shows have you watched in the last 15 years? Because I can name more good shows than that this season

I also kind of respect you for putting Gundam 00 in the same category as TTGL. That takes serious guts, or copious amount of insanity ^_^

Varkov

Thomas-G wrote: »

I also kind of respect you for putting Gundam 00 in the same category as TTGL. That takes serious guts, or copious amount of insanity ^_^

I reckon he was talking about Universal Century :pac:

K.O.Kiki

I might be hardcore in certain aspects, but even I will concede that I'd rather watch a decent dub, or Western cartoon, than subbed anime because it's more convenient.

Auction in Action

I love mangga series especially collectibles and limited editions.

Kinski

Because most of it is dreadful. With the exception of a few series which could potentially transcend the animation ghetto (e.g. Haruhi, Evangelion, Elfen Lied), anime is usually much worse than even bad dramas made by British or US TV production companies. Not only is the animation often poor quality, but the attention given to plot and character, and the appreciation of the particular demands and possibilities of working in a visual narrative form is usually negligible. To be sure, there's plenty of really bad TV drama made in the West, but how many major British or US networks would commission a series as utterly incompetent as Akagi?

gufnork

I think what turned me off getting into anime was when a guy at work was raving about how great it was and how he'd lend me some anime so I could see what I was missing. I remember watching 'ghost in the machine' and 'akira' and then thinking, meh... It was ok. Just ok. Just barely. I also remember thinking that I wouldn't bother with any more.

papajohn12

because I spend a total of 8 hours watching and nothing ever gets done

P.S: Golden boy forever!!

K.O.Kiki

Golden Boy is only 6 hours...

Andy!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNIIIII???

That's why.

Thomas-G

Andy!! wrote: »

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNIIIII???

That's why.

That's just Japanese people

Andy!!

Thomas-G wrote: »

Andy!! wrote: »

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHH NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNIIIII???

That's why.

That's just Japanese people

That must be why I prefer Koreans.


*runs*


Ah no but seriously one thing I dislike about anime is the filler you get in some shows.

EwEw

What I seriously dislike about anime is how damn addictive it gets.
Once you get into it, there's no way out for a long time!

I've watched many long anime series, like Naruto, Bleach, FMA and one thing I hate is the fillers.. I actually read the manga too, so I know that there's something really cool to look forward to and can't wait to see it in the anime, but BAH, NO! WATCH 100 FILLER EPISODES FIRST... That's why I'd rather manga now
No such thing happens in the shorter series though, so it's all good

runswithascript

I hate it because it's just for children and adult fat nerds with bad hygiene and no girlfriends who actually think it's not just for children or fat nerds with bad hygiene and no girlfriends.

gufnork

dusf wrote: »

I hate it because it's just for children and adult fat nerds with bad hygiene and no girlfriends who actually think it's not just for children or fat nerds with bad hygiene and no girlfriends.

I'm living proof that you are wrong.

Konata

dusf wrote: »

I hate it because it's just for children and adult fat nerds with bad hygiene and no girlfriends who actually think it's not just for children or fat nerds with bad hygiene and no girlfriends.

dusf infracted for deliberate troll post.

runswithascript

Konata wrote: »

dusf infracted for deliberate troll post.

It wasn't a troll post, I answered the question honestly and sometimes the truth hurts, but do whatever makes you feel better.

If you asked the population I am quite certain the majority would reply that cartoons are in fact for children, and that they see anime as cartoons.

Konata

dusf wrote: »

It wasn't a troll post, I answered the question honestly and sometimes the truth hurts, but do whatever makes you feel better.

If you asked the population I am quite certain the majority would reply that cartoons are in fact for children, and that they see anime as cartoons.

Yes, it was. It was deliberately offensive. The cartoon part wasn't the main problem here. If that's how you really feel, you could have worded it in a much less offensive manner.

runswithascript

gufnork wrote: »

I'm living proof that you are wrong.

If an anime fan is especially fortunate they may indeed meet an anime fan or someone from a similar social group of the opposite sex and mate.

davoxx wrote: »

what has that got to do with "bad hygiene and no girlfriends"?
are you speaking from experience?
did the concept of art confuse you?

This is the perception people have of anime fans, adults who read children's comic books, and people who play World of Warcraft etc.

Yes, I am speaking from experience in the sense that all of the anime fans I have encountered thus far meet this stereotype.

Childish question, way to make my point for me.

Konata wrote: »

Yes, it was. It was deliberately offensive. The cartoon part wasn't the main problem here. If that's how you really feel, you could have worded it in a much less offensive manner.

It was not deliberately offensive.

Unless the viewers of anime have mutated and developed psychic abilities living in their lairs I and I alone am in the unique position of determining whether or not it was deliberately offensive, and let me tell you it was not, I have answered a public question with an honest answer.

What words offend you personally? Would you be less offended if I worded it differently using the term overweight unsociable hermit instead of what I said? Some stereotypes are true for the most part.

This is how I and the majority of people feel about grown men and women who watch childrens' cartoons, although probably not in the Anime forum but there's no mystery to that little statistic.

runswithascript

Davoxx, misquoting me and then deleting your posts twice in a row only shows lack of conviction in your argument.

Konata

dusf banned from forum for 7 days for ignoring Mod warnings and debating decisions on thread.

I'd just like to add that expressing an opinion such as that of dusf is allowed on this forum but if you are going to say such a thing please express in a manner that is less offensive and also supported with some sort of evidence. Thank you

Also, don't feed the troll.

EwEw

gufnork wrote: »

I'm living proof that you are wrong.

So am I! And probably 90% of people that watch anime actually contradict this "theory"

cocoshovel

'm living proof that you are wrong

^ this

I dont fall into his childish stereotype either, but he does have somewhat of a point. It is true there are lots of idiots or "weeaboo's"/whatever name people gives to them that watch anime and run around being annoying. Everyone knows that and the same can be said for every hobby/interest in the entire world

The thing is, the majority of those people he talks about are in their young teens or so I have noticed, and how many young teens dont fall into some silly phase and why should anyone care if they had any sense of maturity?

If he was any older or maturer he would know that a lot of "normal" (what classfies as normal?) people watch it too. He also wouldnt hold a childish opinion that makes him sound like he holds some sort of grudge and gets offended by it.

I know adults in the military that like anime and businessmen that like it, none of them are "fat nerds with no hygeine" I can assure you that, and both are married.

I dont think he is trolling, judging by his other posts and how long he's been here on boards. Seeing where he posted (wow forum and other video game forums) in the past, I think he may just be projecting more than anything. Im sorry if you only know of kids anime, but believe it or not, there is anime for adults too. Hey, there's even western cartoons for adults Anybody ever hear of the Simpsons, Southpark, Futurama etc?

Im actually interested to hear any genuine feedback he can give rather than just bursting in and running his gob. So get back to me when you're unbanned.

Shybookwormy

cocoshovel wrote: »

I dont fall into his childish stereotype either, but he does have somewhat of a point. It is true there are lots of idiots or "weeaboo's"/whatever name people gives to them that watch anime and run around being annoying. Everyone knows that and the same can be said for every hobby/interest in the entire world

The thing is, the majority of those people he talks about are in their young teens or so I have noticed, and how many young teens dont fall into some silly phase and why should anyone care if they had any sense of maturity?

It's true, alot of people in their young teens can be very annoying while asserting their love for anime and the majority of the time the one's they fawn over are the really popular (over-rated) ones (Naruto, for example). And I think it's a little unfair to judge an entire fanbase by a minority of its fans.

I hate anime because alot of the plot lines can be called out after watching the first episode (predictable love triangles, continuous battle/training scenarios, good guy vs bad guy and good guy always trumping etc). But I love anime because when you find a really good one it's so hard to stop yourself from becoming addicted to it! You could say this for anything really, but there just something about anime (maybe the graphics? humour? cultural context?) that makes me fall in love with it everytime...

Burky126

Because every title sequence to any anime is the same.Also it seems that they spend the majority of the animation budget on a one minute sequence that's like every other title sequence.

Then there's the elitists that declare that anything made in the east is far superior because the character designs and backgrounds are more detailed when in fact the majority of the techniques and methods anime artists use are all borrowed and influenced from western culture.This is basic information that the majority of so called otakus don't seem to grasp.

Thomas-G

This thread is cancer, it was an awful idea and now every post I see seems to have something I feel like correcting, but won't because it's pointless. Yeah healthy debate and all that, but on the internet nobody really wants to believe their opinion is misinformed, worthless and most of all wrong.

Call for lock because the maturity of the conversation has gone way downhill.

And as for all OPs looking the same, I could prove you wrong 100 times but just once is enough for tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKRHiue2sIM

Shybookwormy

Thomas-G wrote: »

This thread is cancer, it was an awful idea

I wouldn't nessecarily say that- I think it's kinda interesting to see what opnions people have of anime and the people who watch them; to see why some non-fans don't enjoy anime. Yeah, some of the arguements have been really silly and downright pointless but others are actually relevant.
I think the thread should continue...

cocoshovel

I agree the thread should continue.

Some more things I hate dislike about anime.

Cheap CGI being used for things like backgrounds and transition scenes (eg car driving down the road after main character gets into it) edit: CGI in general :V

Too many shows being set in highschool, often with the same character types. Some of them are great, but others not so much.

Shybookwormy

cocoshovel wrote: »

Too many shows being set in highschool, often with the same character types. Some of them are great, but others not so much.

Too true! Sometimes it feels like your simply watching the same anime. All that's changed really is the character's names and faces; everything else is almost the same, even the story line.

If its set in a highschool its most likely going to be a love triangle drama-thingy, with fangirls and bishie boys and maybe some light echi humour thrown into the mix.

Thomas-G

Shybookwormy wrote: »

Too true! Sometimes it feels like your simply watching the same anime. All that's changed really is the character's names and faces; everything else is almost the same, even the story line.

If its set in a highschool its most likely going to be a love triangle drama-thingy, with fangirls and bishie boys and maybe some light echi humour thrown into the mix.

Sadly that's a culture problem rather than just anime. Across all forms of Japanese entertainment young people dominate, because creators think that it sells better and that young people will better identify with the character. Of coarse, most young people attend highschool, so there we have our problem.

We just have to bear with it honestly. While some anime are aimed at western audiences and have great older heroes (Cowboy Bebop) most of the time these shows aren't popular in Japan (Tiger and Bunny being a notable exception recently, which will hopefully start a trend). While Western fans hated Raiden in MGS2 most Japanese like him. For the European and American release of video game Nier, Square Enix changed the protagonist from a young man trying to save his girlfriend to an old veteran trying to save his daughter.

While I have no doubt this will change at some stage (Japan loved badass samurai in the 50s and middle-aged ambitious men in the 80's (Char from MSG for example) for these last two decades of anime it's just our lot.

Shybookwormy

Thomas-G wrote: »

Sadly that's a culture problem rather than just anime.

-sigh- I guess that is the sad reality...

Cy_Revenant

I hate anime because so much of it is, I believe, awful.

Harem comedies with awful humour and terrible characters. Cheap adaptations of visual novels with no depth, cookie cutter plots and one character for every archetype on the list. Countless shows set in high schools featuring short skirts and sixteen year olds. Another shounen manga with obvious heroes, predictable villains and ridiculous mcguffins.

Anime is bad. Every time I look at a new release schedule I'm reminded of this. I hold out for the sweet nectar that you find in the cracks of each release schedule. The Madokas, the Redlines, the Tatami Galaxies and the Lupin the Thirds. There'll always be at lease one show worth watching, though sometimes it's difficult to find.

e_e

I hate how genuinely unintentionally creepy and borderline misogynistic a lot of it is. The fact that some people consider Ninja Scroll and Overfiend to be masterpieces worries me slightly.

It's a shame because beyond the cookie cutter crap and masturbation fodder there is some really amazing stuff (Cowboy Bebop, Serial Experiments Lain, Kino's Journey, Evangelion, Baccano, Stand Alone Complex, Azumanga Daioh, the works of Satoshi Kon, Makoto Shinkai and Hayao Miyazaki). There's just so much unnecessary rubbish to work your way around if you happen to be interested in anime, and some of the writers/animators over in Japan need to seriously up their game and think beyond a niche audience of dribbling idiots if they don't want to further perpetuate the negative stereotypes of it. :pac:

Cy_Revenant

e_e wrote: »

I hate how genuinely unintentionally creepy and borderline misogynistic a lot of it is. The fact that some people consider Ninja Scroll and Overfiend to be masterpieces worries me slightly.

Almost every time I meet someone and discover they watch anime they start telling me how awesome Ninja Scroll is. It's nothing short of depressing.

K.O.Kiki

Thomas-G wrote: »

For the European and American release of video game Nier, Square Enix changed the protagonist from a young man trying to save his girlfriend to an old veteran trying to save his daughter.

Pretty sure it was the other way around -- Nier was designed with an older character to start with, but then marketing in Japan decided that they could never sell this in Japan :rolleyes:

See also: Final Fantasy XII moving the "hero" role from Basch to Vaan :pac:

Mindkiller

Thomas-G wrote: »

When you compare what people rage about being terrible and overrated in anime (K-On!, Evangelion, Death Note) and what people rage about being terrible and overrated on western TV (CSI, Lost, all those MTV shows) it's clear which is stronger as a form of media.
I'm watching most of the shows this season and while some of them aren't amazing masterpieces they're all what would be classified as GOOD, rather than just WATCHABLE. In contrast, most new shows on western TV fall into WATCHABLE almost automatically. Masterpieces are as rare as hen's teeth, just look at all the hype Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones get, because they're not terrible! A lot of this is of coarse due to size of budget and trying to make a show safe.

Now on to why I hate anime, because it's too good! Why can't there be more unwatchable trash, WHY! Then I could play more games

That's a deliberately skewed comparison. You're comparing some of the best anime (EVA) with crap like MTV shows. Stuff like Deadwood, Carnivale, Six Feet Under and The Wire more than holds its own. It's actually much better.

Game of Thrones is gutter trash. It's enjoyable trash, but trash nonetheless.

Not that I hate anime. It's just that TV is so much better. I haven't watched an anime cartoon in a long while. Find it hard to find stuff that's genuinely good besides movies.

Thomas-G

Mindkiller wrote: »

That's a deliberately skewed comparison. You're comparing some of the best anime (EVA) with crap like MTV shows. Stuff like Deadwood, Carnivale, Six Feet Under and The Wire more than holds its own. It's actually much better.

Game of Thrones is gutter trash. It's enjoyable trash, but trash nonetheless.

Not that I hate anime. It's just that TV is so much better. I haven't watched an anime cartoon in a long while. Find it hard to find stuff that's genuinely good besides movies.

No, you missed my point a little bit. I've seen Six Feet Under and The Wire, and I'd definitely add Life on Mars or Arrested Development to a list of great TV shows. What I'm trying to say is the ratio of Great shows to Crap shows is much much larger when it comes to anime. I'm watching most new anime this season and nearly all of it's pretty good. It was the same last season and the one before that. We're lucky if we get 2-3 good TV shows A YEAR over here. At least, ones that aren't designed for folk with more than 40 IQ.

As for finding good anime, I'd recommend Anime Planet. Look up the shows you like and the most recommended similar shows will be near the top of recommendations. These won't be picked for simple reasons like "both have kids piloting giant robots". You'll be able to read the reasons and often it will mean that both feature similar themes. I've found a few absolute gems by doing this.

As for your last point, that's all opinion man. As a huge fan of art anime has inspired and amazed me more than any special effects hollywood flick ever could.

Butterscotch

Thomas-G wrote: »

As a huge fan of art anime has inspired and amazed me more than any special effects hollywood flick ever could.

I couldn't agree more. Thanks for the tip on Anime Planet. I will be sure to use it for my tastes.

Mindkiller

Just in case there's any ambiguity by movies I meant the Studio Ghibli affair, not Hollywood blockbusters. Stuff like Princess Monoke (or however you spell it) et al have proven that animated film is as good as anything that the 'west' produce. My point being that I have no problem finding quality full-length animated features but most anime series seem to be of the up-skirt fan-service variety. There's exceptions (Serial Experiments Lain is one I've watched that I was greatly impressed by) but it seems to me you have to trudge through a sea of sh*t to find the gems. I find that less of a problem with TV.


As far as TV's concerned, in the last 12 months we've had great shows like Luck, Hell on Wheels, Justified, Castle, Treme, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, It's Always Sunny in Philadelpia, Breaking Bad, Sherlock, Luther and probably tons more that I can't think of. TV has never been this good.

I'll give that site a look

Butterscotch

Mindkiller wrote: »

As far as TV's concerned, in the last 12 months we've had great shows like Luck, Hell on Wheels, Justified, Castle, Treme, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, It's Always Sunny in Philadelpia, Breaking Bad, Sherlock, Luther and probably tons more that I can't think of. TV has never been this good.

That is fine and perhaps true as I haven't been up to date with new anime. The same can go for an argument that books are better then manga, comics visa versa. This is an interesting thread all right but it is far too opinionated. I do like TV but I just wouldn't be bothered watching series no matter how many times I have been told they are really good, ok I might watch one or two episodes but I wouldn't keep it up and I just don't really get a kick out of them. That could be the exactly same if you are trying to get someone into anime, its each to their own. To me anime is alot then just series, it is artistic expression. I just stick with anime, books and other things in life I enjoy and TV is lower then the scale but that is me though.;)

frogcheese

it sucks.... just make a real animation or a movie...