IE's 071 Class.

IE did use four 141s in multiple during the Maynooth redoubling. They were all powered and were used to bed down the track. A friend of mine has a photo of them at Clonsilla.

There is actually a technical reason why IE don't top and tail, but it's not something that can't be resolved. The 121/141/181/071 class locos have an independent (green) brake pipe that controls the brakes on the locomotive. If this isn't connected between both locos in a multiple working scenario, the trailing loco can't release its brakes. The problem is that the green pipe is not present on IE rolling stock, so it's not possible to connect the locos together at each end, so they must both be side-by-side.

The 201s don't have the independent brake pipe, instead they have a remote cock/valve. When this is set to trail mode, the brakes work the same way as a coach and are controlled via the train brake in the leading 201. In theory it should be possible to top and tail 201s if the stock has a 27-pin passthrough (e.g. Mk3 Internationals) but I'm not sure.

Captain Chaos

So when NIR top and tail the odd time the rear loco is dead? When a few locos were being moved from Whitehead a year or so ago, can't remember them but there were 3 preserved locos. 111 was at one end and 113 at the other.

Better than doing what IE do with the Sperry and WS trains, sending two crews to do the job that one could. Or is that due to another issue of getting the locos to start back up, I'm sure a loco could be hauled around while in idle power.

I don't know what the situation up north is, hence why I said IE rolling stock.

I doubt that they're dead, because you'd still have the issue of the locos needing to be connected. It's not permitted to run any unbraked vehicles except in emergency situations. NIR probably do have the facility to connect the locos together but I just don't know.

Another thing to note is that the braking issue also prevents 201s from assisting the older classes in failures. The 201 can't release the brakes on them. However the other way round is possible, stick the failed 201 in trail mode and use the train brakes on the leading 1x1/071.

It would also prevent a 201 from working in multiple with the other GMs. So a double header would have to be a pair of 201s.

Captain Chaos

Karsini wrote: »

I doubt that they're dead, because you'd still have the issue of the locos needing to be connected. It's not permitted to run any unbraked vehicles except in emergency situations. NIR probably do have the facility to connect the locos together but I just don't know.

I don't mean dead dead. Just shut down. It would still be braked like the rest of the train.

Just looking through photos online and NIR ran their 201s double headed. Part of the Yankee Explorer tour from Belfast to Portadown. :eek: Then took 208 off there and 209 took the tour to Connolly. Learn something new every day.

I have seen photos of the two NIR 201s together before but I thought that was them being delivered from Inchicore.

Oscar Bravo

088 will work this evenings Westport-Waterford timber train.

duffmckegean

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

088 will work this evenings Westport-Waterford timber train.

I always wondered whether this run was via Kildare or the South Tipperary Line?

flyingsnail

duffmckegean wrote: »

I always wondered whether this run was via Kildare or the South Tipperary Line?

It runs via the Kildare to Waterford line

demanufactured

Karsini wrote: »

IE did use four 141s in multiple during the Maynooth redoubling. They were all powered and were used to bed down the track. A friend of mine has a photo of them at Clonsilla.

There is actually a technical reason why IE don't top and tail, but it's not something that can't be resolved. The 121/141/181/071 class locos have an independent (green) brake pipe that controls the brakes on the locomotive. If this isn't connected between both locos in a multiple working scenario, the trailing loco can't release its brakes. The problem is that the green pipe is not present on IE rolling stock, so it's not possible to connect the locos together at each end, so they must both be side-by-side.

The 201s don't have the independent brake pipe, instead they have a remote cock/valve. When this is set to trail mode, the brakes work the same way as a coach and are controlled via the train brake in the leading 201. In theory it should be possible to top and tail 201s if the stock has a 27-pin passthrough (e.g. Mk3 Internationals) but I'm not sure.

Get us a look at that pic of the 141s!

Captain Chaos

demanufactured wrote: »

Get us a look at that pic of the 141s!

I'd love to see it too. I heard about it many years ago on the old IRN board.

The best IE loco line up I ever saw was in 2004/5 at East Wall junction. A 141, waiting for a slot on the mainline was hauling a failed 141+121 pair from North Wall yard back to Connolly during the evening rush hour. I almost got whiplash looking at it on the passing DART.:D

Jamie2k9

I always wondered whether this run was via Kildare or the South Tipperary Line?

One reason is the times it operates at, its more cost effective to go via Kildare as it would require a lot of staff to operate LC on the Tip line and timefame for changing the loco at portarlington is just about impossible as it would block both lines unlike Kildare there is always one free. Then there is reduced speed compared to Waterford line and the track layout in Waterford would mean it couldn't cross onto the Dublin-Waterford track to get into the yard so another loco change would be needed in Waterford and that would be impossible as it would require stock moving.

081 at inchicore this afternoon and didn't get the number but an 071 running light engine passed Cherryville at 14.45. Running on down line.

Edit-just realised miss read post thaught they said why but it was wather.

demanufactured

demanufactured wrote: »

Get us a look at that pic of the 141s!

I'll ask him and see what I can do, maybe he'll send me a copy.

CaptainFreedom

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Just looking through photos online and NIR ran their 201s double headed. Part of the Yankee Explorer tour from Belfast to Portadown. :eek: Then took 208 off there and 209 took the tour to Connolly. Learn something new every day.

I have seen photos of the two NIR 201s together before but I thought that was them being delivered from Inchicore.

I was on that train, was 209 + 208 from Central > York Road > Portadown, then 208 to Connolly. The acceleration leaving Lisburn was frightening, think London Underground levels , speeds well over the Cravens limit of 75mph too

CaptainFreedom

CaptainFreedom wrote: »

I was on that train, was 209 + 208 from Central > York Road > Portadown, then 208 to Connolly. The acceleration leaving Lisburn was frightening, think London Underground levels , speeds well over the Cravens limit of 75mph too

Yep. My aforementioned friend said that it caused damage to the couplings on the Cravens due to the power of the two 201s.

Temp101

The picture of the four BGM's was carried in the IRRS Journal, as part of Brian Solomon's article on the 141's.

Separate ITG Railtours featured both the double headed 201's referred to above, and a double of 071 class and 111 class. Dates etc. will be found on their website.

Temp101

Captain Chaos wrote: »

When 077 is released back into traffic may we see 084 finally getting called in? The last orange loco standing or rolling as the case may be.

I understand that 077 and 078 may have body overhauls, but the mechanicals and electrics have yet to be attended to, so don't hold your breath expecting them out soon. Is it just me, or does it seem odd to repaint locos which still have a lot of mechanical work facing them?

Temp101

Temp101 wrote: »

I understand that 077 and 078 may have body overhauls, but the mechanicals and electrics have yet to be attended to, so don't hold your breath expecting them out soon. Is it just me, or does it seem odd to repaint locos which still have a lot of mechanical work facing them?

That's correct. The bodies have been overhauled but the mechanics and electrics have not. These locos weren't in the 10 that were overhauled a few years back so they must be wrecked internally.

Oscar Bravo

075 is in Ballina for the weekend,saw it at around 1900. 219 was also there.

demanufactured

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

075 is in Ballina for the weekend,saw it at around 1900. 219 was also there.

running or shut down?/

Oscar Bravo

Shut down. always are nowdays.

Oscar Bravo

073 worked the Westport-Waterford timber train today departing Westport at a new time of 1055.

Rud

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

073 worked the Westport-Waterford timber train today departing Westport at a new time of 1055.

I heard an 071 pumping through Athy around 5pm this evening.I assume this was the same train?And is this the time it will leave at,from now on?

Jamie2k9

Rud wrote: »

I heard a 071 pumping through Athy around 5pm this evening.I assume this was the same train?And is this the time it will leave at,from now on?

Thats a very small window for the movements between Athy/Cherryvile considering passenger and other stock movments at the same time. Couldn't afford a delay of more than a few minutes.

Oscar Bravo any chance you know the times of the Ballina services and the times for departures from Waterford and have operational days changed as that friday service didn't arrive in Waterford until 23.45 before the schedule change.

Jamie2k9

076 working a timer train to Waterford this afternoon, was stoped at the loop east of Portarlington waiting for approximately 90 minutes before heading for Kildare.

Cookie_Monster

Any shots of the new livery mentioned in the logo thread?

Captain Chaos

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Any shots of the new livery mentioned in the logo thread?

That's only a rumor that I heard. Don't know how accurate but the Mk4 DVT report was spot on.

It has to be either 077 or 078 if any of them got it and they are still in Inchicore.

084 needs a repaint badly but they will probably wait for it's overhaul before it gets it.

Oscar Bravo

083 is in Westport yard with a timber train ,it arrived Wednesday at 1920 and is now loaded. Also in Ballina with a timber train is 086 which arrived Thursday afternoon.

Losty Dublin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Any shots of the new livery mentioned in the logo thread?

It's basically a dark gray all over job with regulation half yellow frontage. It's going to look the business on the road.

Run_to_da_hills

Nice to see IR promoting their 071 class.

Rud

An 071 and a fully loaded timber train left Athy around 4:30pm heading for Waterford.It sounded amazing!