brsgolf .. is there any tricks ?

celtic_oz

Mate of mine likes to get out early.

His course uses http://www.brsgolf.com to book members tee times.

To book Sunday morning golf the earliest you can book is Wednesday morning and he logs in and waits for that date to become available within the booking system.

He said as soon as it becomes available he attempts to book an early slot but they are gone and they always seem to be gone to the same people in the same order.

Is there a way to pre-order or are these people just super quick with their bookings or what ?

L.O.F.T

Ring the pro shop Tuesday? I'd imagine that's what the regulars are doing. Its the same in every club with the same lads getting out early. In my club the guys who go out first are the pits, dog slow, which makes the whole round a nightmare, every bloody week!

celtic_oz

They swear blind that there is no pre-booking .. is it possible to ring brsgolf and find out?

Mr. Larson

Use the fastest browser you can get, have the mouse pointer hovered over where the 'book now' button will be on the slot you want once it's open and hit F5 on xx:xx:59, a split second before the timesheet is due to open and then click immediately on 'Book Now'. If you think everyone is going to try to pile onto the 1st & 2nd groups, try getting in first at the 3rd group. You snooze you lose basically.

scrubber72

Jabberwocky wrote: »

Use the fastest browser you can get, have the mouse pointer hovered over where the 'book now' button will be on the slot you want once it's open and hit F5 on xx:xx:59, a split second before the timesheet is due to open and then click immediately on 'Book Now'. If you think everyone is going to try to pile onto the 1st & 2nd groups, try getting in first at the 3rd group. You snooze you lose basically.

+1 On this or someone in the pro shop is telling porkies

Almaviva

BRS keeps a log of time and who made a booking in each slot. If you doubt them, get the proshop, or whoever administers the system to show you the log.
If the bookings are made after the official opening time, but before your effort, then they are just quicker than you. If they are before the official opening time, then someone with administrator rights is reserving the slots before they are made available to you. Whether they are authorised to do that or not you would need to ask.

Whyner

I think you could be on to something. Let the shareholders tee of at 07:03

Uncle Ben

There is a lot to be said for the pencil and time-sheet left out in the clubhouse the week before.

Dormy

Uncle Ben wrote: »

There is a lot to be said for the pencil and time-sheet left out in the clubhouse the week before.

I disagree. That way is way more open to abuse

Tin_Cup

Just wondering are the guys doing the early booking part of the club committee? If you are an admin on the system you can book before timesheets get released to the public.

'scorthy

It seems to be a tradition that certain committee members such as the competitions secretary and the Captains have privilege; the argument is that they work voluntary for the club giving up many hours of their time to run the club.
Each club should have a protocol or procedure for the on-line booking system as mentioned here for ALL. As long as its transparent who books ahead of the time-sheet release to the membership it doesn't become an issue.
Yes, there is a log of every admin / staff entry. Yes, you can talk to the proshop and they can book you in early but you should explain why it's important you NEED an early tee-time - they'll understand and can add the reason into the 'notes' section of the booking to cover themselves.

bustercherry

'scorthy wrote: »

It seems to be a tradition that certain committee members such as the competitions secretary and the Captains have privilege; the argument is that they work voluntary for the club giving up many hours of their time to run the club.
Each club should have a protocol or procedure for the on-line booking system as mentioned here for ALL. As long as its transparent who books ahead of the time-sheet release to the membership it doesn't become an issue.
Yes, there is a log of every admin / staff entry. Yes, you can talk to the proshop and they can book you in early but you should explain why it's important you NEED an early tee-time - they'll understand and can add the reason into the 'notes' section of the booking to cover themselves.

No one needs an early tee time. If you can't play at another time available then don't play.
It should be first come first serve and fcuk committee member traditions. People who sign up to be on the committee expecting certain privileges in return are w***ers IMO and of no benefit to a club.

dublindave27

As I work in a club that uses Brs , If somebody else is booking the same time as you it is generally pot luck who gets there first, when they ring the clubhouse to book a time I cannot overwrite it either, With regards to pre-booking it the names would appear or it will say "booked" on the page and you would clearly see there names so I would doubt that the golf club would risk the hassle from members for doing so.

mikeunt

just another example of the rampant cheating that goes on around the country
not only are golfers fixing their handicap, using the leather wedge, magic pencil etc but now they are cheating to be first on the timesheet

where will this end

disgraceful behaviour

david

This happens in a lot of clubs. Most often it's committee members looking after each other by pre-booking sought after slots. There really isn't much you can do apart from kick up a fuss at the AGM.

GreeBo

mikeunt banned for 2 weeks for persistent trolling

what2do

david wrote: »

This happens in a lot of clubs. Most often it's committee members looking after each other by pre-booking sought after slots. There really isn't much you can do apart from kick up a fuss at the AGM.

I don't think this is the way because as soon as anyone enters their name it will appear even if the comp is not live.... in summer events we can see the sponsor slots already allocated. That said there is something cos we have the same people in the same slots every week!

Gophur

'scorthy wrote: »

It seems to be a tradition that certain committee members such as the competitions secretary and the Captains have privilege; the argument is that they work voluntary for the club giving up many hours of their time to run the club.
..........

Whatever about the Competition Secretary, the Captain should have priority over everyone.

bustercherry

Gophur wrote: »

Whatever about the Competition Secretary, the Captain should have priority over everyone.

Why? Doesn't he not get free golf all round the country?

Gophur

bustercherry wrote: »

Why? Doesn't he not get free golf all round the country?

It's a normal courtesy extended to the Captain of a Golf Club.

As for the "free golf"? This is a perk of office but any Captain I've worked with has been unable to avail of this very much, due to the demands of his office.

Do you not think the Captain of a Golf Club should have such courtesy extended to him?

bustercherry

Gophur wrote: »

It's a normal courtesy extended to the Captain of a Golf Club.

As for the "free golf"? This is a perk of office but any Captain I've worked with has been unable to avail of this very much, due to the demands of his office.

Do you not think the Captain of a Golf Club should have such courtesy extended to him?

No, set an example for the rest of the members. Where do you stop? All the committee members get first dibs? what about shareholder members, should they not get preferential treatment as they invested in the club? Then can all of the above book in advance for their buddy's?

At my club it's first come first serve for everyone, apart from slots reserved for societies. Everyone knows when the time sheet goes live and if you want a specific tee time you get on the t'internet once it goes live. It's a pain in the winter getting slots but it's fair.

It sickens my hole when people think they or other people should get preferential treatment because they volunteer their time (not just in golf clubs either). Don't volunteer then :mad:

Gophur

bustercherry wrote: »

No, set an example for the rest of the members. Where do you stop?...........:

At the Captain. The Captain should have courtesy extended to him by all members and all members should show him the respect his office deserves. To do otherwise demeans the office of Captain.

bustercherry wrote: »

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It sickens my hole when people think they or other people should get preferential treatment because they volunteer their time (not just in golf clubs either). Don't volunteer then :mad:

You need to chill a bit.

shamco

Gophur wrote: »

At the Captain. The Captain should have courtesy extended to him by all members and all members should show him the respect his office deserves. To do otherwise demeans the office of Captain.





You need to chill a bit.

No Volunteers means no-one to run competitions,administer handicaps etc

AldilaMan

Jabberwocky wrote: »

Use the fastest browser you can get, have the mouse pointer hovered over where the 'book now' button will be on the slot you want once it's open and hit F5 on xx:xx:59, a split second before the timesheet is due to open and then click immediately on 'Book Now'. If you think everyone is going to try to pile onto the 1st & 2nd groups, try getting in first at the 3rd group. You snooze you lose basically.

Spot on Jabberwocky. That's how it's done. If anyone with admin rights were trying to jump on the timesheet before the timesheet opened it would be visible to all members by seeing their names on before it technically opened. I had a history of getting the first slot every week in the first few months of the BRS system being installed cos I was waiting for 11.59.59 seconds every week and I was quick. But others copped on and became quick too and if I snoozed I'd lose. Like Jabberwocky say, the first 2 slots could be in direct competition for 4 or 5 groups so it's sometimes better to play safe and prey on the 3rd slot. If you don't get on the 1st slot, by the time you get the notification another 3 or 4 seconds is gone and the timesheet is full before you know it. There's always going to be more competition for the first 3 or 4 slots from the married guys with small kids. It's the compromise of married life - play early and be home early !!

Redzah

AldilaMan wrote: »

Spot on Jabberwocky. That's how it's done. If anyone with admin rights were trying to jump on the timesheet before the timesheet opened it would be visible to all members by seeing their names on before it technically opened. I had a history of getting the first slot every week in the first few months of the BRS system being installed cos I was waiting for 11.59.59 seconds every week and I was quick. But others copped on and became quick too and if I snoozed I'd lose. Like Jabberwocky say, the first 2 slots could be in direct competition for 4 or 5 groups so it's sometimes better to play safe and prey on the 3rd slot. If you don't get on the 1st slot, by the time you get the notification another 3 or 4 seconds is gone and the timesheet is full before you know it. There's always going to be more competition for the first 3 or 4 slots from the married guys with small kids. It's the compromise of married life - play early and be home early !!

Sorry guys its not that simple. In my club what happens is the following;

1. Before BRS booking becomes available for the competion 10 days in advance the whole timesheet says Booked on every slot (but no names of booking appear).

2. Timesheet opens with booked removed and all of a sudden the same names are in the same slots each week.

Therefore, nobody is named and shamed on the timesheet before it opens and the guy with admin rights ensures the same names get in the same slots 2 mins before he opens the timesheet for members.

Its a complete joke and something i will raise at the AGM for which i will probably be shot down. It might be worth my while taking screen shots to show how it happens but again, i'll just be seen as a troublemaker.

AldilaMan

Redzah wrote: »

Sorry guys its not that simple. In my club what happens is the following;

1. Before BRS booking becomes available for the competion 10 days in advance the whole timesheet says Booked on every slot (but no names of booking appear).

2. Timesheet opens with booked removed and all of a sudden the same names are in the same slots each week.

Therefore, nobody is named and shamed on the timesheet before it opens and the guy with admin rights ensures the same names get in the same slots 2 mins before he opens the timesheet for members.

Its a complete joke and something i will raise at the AGM for which i will probably be shot down. It might be worth my while taking screen shots to show how it happens but again, i'll just be seen as a troublemaker.

Point taken. If that's the way your club is operating then it's very underhand. Don't wait till the AGM as that's only a whinging shop where you will be ignored unless you are prepared to bring a motion and canvass significant support. Write a letter to the committee and ask them to explain this practice and maybe get it signed by a number of like minded members. Failing any action vote with your feet.

BraveDonut

AldilaMan wrote: »

Spot on Jabberwocky. That's how it's done. If anyone with admin rights were trying to jump on the timesheet before the timesheet opened it would be visible to all members by seeing their names on before it technically opened. I had a history of getting the first slot every week in the first few months of the BRS system being installed cos I was waiting for 11.59.59 seconds every week and I was quick. But others copped on and became quick too and if I snoozed I'd lose. Like Jabberwocky say, the first 2 slots could be in direct competition for 4 or 5 groups so it's sometimes better to play safe and prey on the 3rd slot. If you don't get on the 1st slot, by the time you get the notification another 3 or 4 seconds is gone and the timesheet is full before you know it. There's always going to be more competition for the first 3 or 4 slots from the married guys with small kids. It's the compromise of married life - play early and be home early !!

Using the same logic, I also find that it is easier to get say 8.20 or 8.40 than 8.30 as more people seem to initially target the 'round number'

AldilaMan

BraveDonut wrote: »

Using the same logic, I also find that it is easier to get say 8.20 or 8.40 than 8.30 as more people seem to initially target the 'round number'

Very true.

redhill

I was talking to the "r" of BRS, and mentioned this to him, he said the best way is to have all four of ur 4ball logging on at the same time... not that much help I know, he also mentioned a new service they are providing for booking open comps at courses around the country
www.brsgolf.com/opencomps

A lot of their clubs especially in the current climate are looking to maximise income revenue and they have put in all under one roof.
I have had a quick look at it and it seems pretty good, you can filter by individual golf club/county/date etc to search for a relevant deal.
Anyway he asked me to have a look and give him any good/bad feedback so who better to ask than this forum...

lemeister

Dormy wrote: »

I disagree. That way is way more open to abuse

How so? For example, in my club, the timesheet for the following saturday week only becomes available when the clubhouse opens this Saturday - same for Sunday.

So if you want to get an early slot, you have to be in the clubhouse early the week before and may have to put up with not getting your preferred teetime for the first week.

I think it works well and members who play regularly around the same time each week normally get to reserve a similar time for the following week.

AldilaMan

lemeister wrote: »

How so? For example, in my club, the timesheet for the following saturday week only becomes available when the clubhouse opens this Saturday - same for Sunday.

So if you want to get an early slot, you have to be in the clubhouse early the week before and may have to put up with not getting your preferred teetime for the first week.

I think it works well and members who play regularly around the same time each week normally get to reserve a similar time for the following week.

Because amazingly when you show up at 7.30 with only 6 or 7 guys in front of you the timesheet has the first 7 or 8 4ball slots gone. Guys putting down 2 or 3 lines for their mates etc. When we operated the pen and paper system if you showed up at 7.30 all the slots were gone for the next week until 8.30 which kept pushing you out later and later. It got to the stage that one of the fourball had to take turns in showing up at least 1 hour before our tee time to make sure we got a similar time slot the following week.

Bye Bye to that system

lemeister

AldilaMan wrote: »

Because amazingly when you show up at 7.30 with only 6 or 7 guys in front of you the timesheet has the first 7 or 8 4ball slots gone. Guys putting down 2 or 3 lines for their mates etc. When we operated the pen and paper system if you showed up at 7.30 all the slots were gone for the next week until 8.30 which kept pushing you out later and later. It got to the stage that one of the fourball had to take turns in showing up at least 1 hour before our tee time to make sure we got a similar time slot the following week.

Bye Bye to that system

Badly policed by the sounds of it so.

AldilaMan

lemeister wrote: »

Badly policed by the sounds of it so.

Can barely afford ground staff in this day and age let alone police to watch guys filling out a timesheet

Technology is the new police. Fair to all.

Zardoz

The online booking is open to widespread abuse,its become a joke in my club especially during the winter months with limited daylight.
The same people are block booking times weks in advance and come the night before and that day itself they are removing their names .

I often counted 45-50 names removed on a Saturday or Sunday,leaving the timesheet a mess especially for fourballs where people turn up to find out they have no partner or in some cases nobody to even play with.

It would be very easy to write a script to monitor people who repeatedly withdraw their names at short notice (less than 24 hours) and give them a 1 month ban if they continually abuse the system.

Sandwlch

A little nit picky, but it is the application of the online booking that is open to abuse rather than the online system itself.

Anyway, you have several easier options than getting BRS to write a script :
- close online bookings 24 or 48 or whatever hours before a competition. People can still book but cannot cancel bookings. It is up to the club to then sanction the no-shows.
- BRS keeps a full log of all transactions. So an administrator can run through the full time sheet and see those members who removed thir names in whatever period before the comp that you chose - and again, sanction them.

You can suspend a BRS account so that members cannot make bookings.