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NCT then fix or Fix then NCT?

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    #32
    teednab-el
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭teednab-el


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    teednab-el wrote: »
    Exacty you hit the nail on the head there. I had to get other parts replaced as so the car could withstand high reving. I agree things had to be done anyway but they had to be done before going through nct test as those guys would dog the s*it out of the car. It was a precaution mOre than anything.


    Ah come on, the NCT cannot rev a car any more then its designed rev limit and have no reason to continuously rev it that high anyway.

    If a timing belt failed while the NCT are testing a car, then it would have failed on the road anyway. Revving a car while stationary is putting much less strain on an engine and components then accelerating hard on the road.

    You should hear the noise of a 130bhp tdi revved to the last. It's not a nice noise believe me and this engine has been looked after by previous owner and myself with regular servicing oil and filters changed every 6000miles. That extreme revving ain't good. Luckily I always take it for a good long drive before the nct. Limit the chances of damage to engine. Can you imagine if the engine was cold and that high revving was done. Chronic.


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    #33
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    teednab-el wrote: »
    You should hear the noise of a 130bhp tdi revved to the last. It's not a nice noise believe me and this engine has been looked after by previous owner and myself with regular servicing oil and filters changed every 6000miles. That extreme revving ain't good. Luckily I always take it for a good long drive before the nct. Limit the chances of damage to engine. Can you imagine if the engine was cold and that high revving was done. Chronic.


    I agree, revving any cold engine is bad practice, but the NCT are not allowed to do the smoke test on a diesel engine unless the engine temperature is up to the correct level.


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    #34
    Cosmo K
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Cosmo K


    teednab-el wrote: »
    Can you imagine if the engine was cold and that high revving was done. Chronic.

    Why would the engine still be cold? We are using the car's OBD system to get a temperature and rpm reading, and the test software will not let you go ahead with the diesel test, unless the engine temperature is at least 80 degrees.


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    #35
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Cosmo K wrote: »
    Why would the engine still be cold? We are using the car's OBD system to get a temperature and rpm reading, and the test software will not let you go ahead with the diesel test, unless the engine temperature is at least 80 degrees.

    On my NCT cert the oil temperature reads as zero besides the readout for my smoke level (which is nice and low, thank god)
    How was the smoke test done so?
    If someone tests cars all day, I'm sure at some stage they just want to get as many cars through as possible.


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    #36
    teednab-el
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭teednab-el


    Cosmo K wrote: »
    teednab-el wrote: »
    Can you imagine if the engine was cold and that high revving was done. Chronic.

    Why would the engine still be cold?.
    It could be cold if you lived down the road from the nct centre i.e. less than a minute away.


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    #37
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    teednab-el wrote: »
    It could be cold if you lived down the road from the nct centre i.e. less than a minute away.


    But then it wouldn't be tested...


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    #38
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    There is at least one independent garage chain who are investing in full NCT spec test equipment and have it in a couple of centres already.;)

    Incidentally would you know what it would cost in that chain to check brake imbalances?:) I'm waiting on a new caliper to arrive to fix my 40% imbalance and would like to know beforeI go back if its properly sorted.


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    #39
    barneygumble99
    Registered Users Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    oil temp has to be at least 80 degrees before the test can commence but nothing stops you revving the car continuously to get it to that temperature. the machine will only take a reading when it has reached at least 80. nothing stops you taking a heat measurement off the exhaust with the infra red either.


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    #40
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Incidentally would you know what it would cost in that chain to check brake imbalances?:) I'm waiting on a new caliper to arrive to fix my 40% imbalance and would like to know beforeI go back if its properly sorted.


    I wouldn't, but I might know someone who could find out for you tomorrow.:P


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    #41
    teednab-el
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭teednab-el


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    teednab-el wrote: »
    It could be cold if you lived down the road from the nct centre i.e. less than a minute away.


    But then it wouldn't be tested...

    How?


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    #42
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    teednab-el wrote: »
    How?

    http://www.ncts.ie/pdf/nctmanual.pdf

    See page 10 and 11 of the NCT manual which includes:

    "It is absolutely essential that the engine is at normal operating temperature before carrying out a smoke test. Testers should ensure that engines are not warmed up by being left idling or at half throttle. They should be warmed up by normal driving."


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    #43
    Bearcat
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    Should this thread not have been posted in women's own or an equiv mens mag magazine ? Will I won't I stuff.........


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    #44
    teednab-el
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭teednab-el


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    http://www.ncts.ie/pdf/nctmanual.pdf

    See page 10 and 11 of the NCT manual which includes:

    "It is absolutely essential that the engine is at normal operating temperature before carrying out a smoke test. Testers should ensure that engines are not warmed up by being left idling or at half throttle. They should be warmed up by normal driving."


    So basically you would have to take it for a good long drive before the NCT is it? Even though you're only living down the road from the test centre?

    Jesus I thought it was enough to pay for the test or retest and then leaving the onus on me to make sure my engine was warm enough and in the process waste fuel heating the engine up for the NCT testers.


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    #45
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    teednab-el wrote: »
    So basically you would have to take it for a good long drive before the NCT is it? Even though you're only living down the road from the test centre?

    Jesus I thought it was enough to pay for the test or retest and then leaving the onus on me to make sure my engine was warm enough and in the process waste fuel heating the engine up for the NCT testers.

    Woudl you rather they revved it cold?


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    #46
    teednab-el
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭teednab-el


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Woudl you rather they revved it cold?

    No way. I wouldn't let them :D


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    #47
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    teednab-el wrote: »
    No way. I wouldn't let them :D


    So if you don't want to waste fuel warming your car up(keeping in mind that your car uses much more fuel when cold), and you(rightly) won't let them rev your car when its cold....how do you propose to get your car tested?


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