What's the story with this house?

MyKeyG

At the station road roundabout in Ennis

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ennis,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=52.840521,-8.896008&spn=0.056303,0.169086&sll=40.744006,-74.006996&sspn=0.071141,0.169086&oq=ennis+&vpsrc=6&hnear=Ennis,+County+Clare,+Ireland&t=m&z=13&layer=c&cbll=52.840667,-8.977583&panoid=ZrX94hUwabFa_iGYBZdzsQ&cbp=13,121.73,,0,-1.11

I've lived up the road from this house for more or less all of my 30 years and it's been derelict in all that time. Is there something about it that precluded it from benefiting from the renovation and building boom of the Celtic Tiger in particular? It looks like it would be a nice little house done up. Did the council ever think about just knocking it and widening the turn for the buses???

Amy33

I've heard from several people that it's haunted!

CiaranMT

Been told that myself ha.

It is a fine house indeed, passed it every week going to the bus station while I worked in Ennis, never really gave it a proper look.

maiden

My mother told me the whole story a few years ago as I think she knows the family involved, dont remember much but it has to do with a will.....and someone contesting it I think!!

Lady Chatterton

It is a fine house, I believe that the family that own that house also owned another property in Claureen, which also lay idle for years:( Rumour has it that there was a dispute for years over a will (or the owner died intestate) and the remaining family couldn't agree on who was entitled to inherit the properties.

MyKeyG

MrsD007 wrote: »

It is a fine house, I believe that the family that own that house also owned another property in Claureen, which also lay idle for years:( Rumour has it that there was a dispute for years over a will (or the owner died intestate) and the remaining family couldn't agree on who was entitled to inherit the properties.

So nobody ended up with it! Hard to believe it's intelligent adults that get involved in these matters.

Lady Chatterton

MyKeyG wrote: »

So nobody ended up with it! Hard to believe it's intelligent adults that get involved in these matters.

It is so sad really, it emphasises how important it is to make a valid will. Dying intestate can cause lots of distress, delay and expense for the surviving family members.

Nevermind_

i have heard the same story re the will etc. There was a for sale by auction sign on it a few years ago before the bubble burst, not sure if it was sold though as obviously nothing has happened to it since.

CptSternn

NAMA

angelfire9

There was a will
The family disputed the will
It was going through the courts when the person who was left the house passed away
This person did not leave a will
It was going through the courts again about 5 years ago the court recommended the house be sold and the proceeds be divided
There was no buyer
The house is now being left til it goes derelict and the council take it ove
It cannot be demolished by current owners due to a protection order as far as I know

A case of "I dont want it but I don't want them to have it either"
Awful waste of a good site if nothing else

Northclare

angelfire9 wrote: »

There was a will
The family disputed the will
It was going through the courts when the person who was left the house passed away
This person did not leave a will
It was going through the courts again about 5 years ago the court recommended the house be sold and the proceeds be divided
There was no buyer
The house is now being left til it goes derelict and the council take it ove
It cannot be demolished by current owners due to a protection order as far as I know

A case of "I dont want it but I don't want them to have it either"
Awful waste of a good site if nothing else

Well that's one story try talking to anyone who worked on that house or get permission to spend a night there alone I have heard a few stories about people running scared from that place even the homeless have no interest in it so I was told.....

Carry

angelfire9 wrote: »

There was a will
The family disputed the will
It was going through the courts when the person who was left the house passed away
This person did not leave a will
It was going through the courts again about 5 years ago the court recommended the house be sold and the proceeds be divided
There was no buyer
The house is now being left til it goes derelict and the council take it ove
It cannot be demolished by current owners due to a protection order as far as I know

A case of "I dont want it but I don't want them to have it either"
Awful waste of a good site if nothing else

While I was living in Ennis about 12 years ago my then landlord told me, that he is friends with the woman who inherited the house, who tried to sell it and didn't find a buyer. Understandably, it's a very busy and noisy corner of Ennis. Who wants to live there?
According to that landlord the owner emigrated and just gave up on the property.

Makes sense though that there was a dispute about the inheritance.

There are a few more houses in Ennis with the same problem. Some are owned by nuns, I've been told, who can't be bothered to look after them or sell them or at least rent them. They are not only an eyesore but evidence of the twisted attitude towards property, as angelfire so aptly put it above.

fryup

tis creepy looking in all fairness...can hear the screeching of violins in my head just looking at it in the photo

great location for a horror movie

Balagan

The few derelict houses wouldn't keep me awake at night, to be honest. It's the negative equity ones that haunt me!

maiden

I pass this house every day and love it, Im always day dreaming about it, it could be so beautiful again

MyKeyG

Personally I'd have no problem living there. I grew up beside Clonroad close to Bob Lyons garage and the traffic has never been an issue, in fact I get more unsettled when it's quiet. I'm not sure if I can understand why it couldn't be sold five years ago as the other poster claims since we were still in the boom. I'd hate to see it knocked.

alibride

i used to pass this house every day goin to school and when i was a teenager i thought id love to buy that house and restore all the floorboards and have big rugs etc!!
same as maiden my mother told me it was something to do with the deeds of the house!! so sad as it could be a fab house if you had the money....

MyKeyG

Well that's the thing more than once I thought that if I became a millionaire I'd pay top dollar and do it up. I wonder will it ever be resolved in my lifetime?

Does anyone know, out of morbid curiosity, when was the last time it was actually occupied?

Lady Chatterton

MyKeyG wrote: »

Well that's the thing more than once I thought that if I became a millionaire I'd pay top dollar and do it up. I wonder will it ever be resolved in my lifetime?

Does anyone know, out of morbid curiosity, when was the last time it was actually occupied?

It must be 35 years or more since anyone lived in that house. It is amazing the amount of people who are genuinely fascinated by the place, if my memory serves me right, the house is called St. Gabriels. I'm not sure I'd like to live so close to that awful excuse for a roundabout though I have seen so many near misses there

MyKeyG

MrsD007 wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd like to live so close to that awful excuse for a roundabout though I have seem so many near misses there

I honestly wonder if there are some parts of the town that would be better serve with traffic lights. What with the bus station there's quite a bit of pedestrian traffic as well as vehicular.

angelfire9

MrsD007 wrote: »

MyKeyG wrote: »

Well that's the thing more than once I thought that if I became a millionaire I'd pay top dollar and do it up. I wonder will it ever be resolved in my lifetime?

Does anyone know, out of morbid curiosity, when was the last time it was actually occupied?

It must be 35 years or more since anyone lived in that house. It is amazing the amount of people who are genuinely fascinated by the place, if my memory serves me right, the house is called St. Gabriels. I'm not sure I'd like to live so close to that awful excuse for a roundabout though I have seem so many near misses there

If you won big money on the lotto you could do a lot with that house
I think there is a back entrance as well?
If memory serves me right a few years back someone knocked down the wall at the corner by driving into it?
That would be my fear if you'd kids I'd be afraid to leave them out the back

Lady Chatterton

Here is a picture of the other house I mentioned earlier in this thread. It is situated in Cloughleigh Road, close to Claureen.

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=45+Cloughleigh+Road,+Cloughleigh,+Ennis&hl=en&ll=52.849298,-8.996369&spn=0.001633,0.011319&sll=52.849256,-8.996332&layer=c&cbp=11,249.22,,0,-4.78&cbll=52.849298,-8.996369&hnear=45+Cloughleigh+Rd,+Cloghleagh,+Ennis,+County+Clare&t=m&z=17&vpsrc=0&panoid=d3LQtxRQT-kc8qbhfVfKUw

It was owned by the same family, it would have also been a fine house in its day but it is not as nearly as imposing as the Clonroad house.

maiden

God I thought I was the only one fascinated with this house!!!! Mad!!

The other one is called 'the haunted house' locally and has been derelict for many many years as is the house beside it formerly 'Greenes' house.

The homeless have taken shelter in both of these houses for years.

poppyvally

angelfire9 wrote: »

There was a will
The family disputed the will
It was going through the courts when the person who was left the house passed away
This person did not leave a will
It was going through the courts again about 5 years ago the court recommended the house be sold and the proceeds be divided
There was no buyer
The house is now being left til it goes derelict and the council take it ove
It cannot be demolished by current owners due to a protection order as far as I know

A case of "I dont want it but I don't want them to have it either"
Awful waste of a good site if nothing else

it's only oul precast concrete, hardly an ancestoral monument. It's owned by
some people called or connected to "malones"

MyKeyG

poppyvally wrote: »

it's only oul precast concrete, hardly an ancestoral monument.

Well besides it being a nice house it's one of the few things that has stayed exactly the same in my lifetime. I just find it somewhat intriguing.

Davyhal

MyKeyG wrote: »

Well that's the thing more than once I thought that if I became a millionaire I'd pay top dollar and do it up. I wonder will it ever be resolved in my lifetime?

Does anyone know, out of morbid curiosity, when was the last time it was actually occupied?

I always had the same dream... Growing up in Quin, every time we went to Ennis I would always point out the house to my Mam saying that it was where I was gonna live when I grew up... Still can't help but look at it every time I pass!

dr.fuzzenstein

I'll take this house:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ennis,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=52.850681,-8.947334&spn=0.04696,0.110378&sll=40.744006,-74.006996&sspn=0.071141,0.169086&oq=ennis+&hnear=Ennis,+County+Clare,+Ireland&t=m&layer=c&cbll=52.850641,-8.980194&panoid=_R9I_Eftl_P7BiilGVTUyg&cbp=13,8.2,,0,5.63&z=13

I'll use it for one of those "One more payment and it's mine!" postcards.;)

MyKeyG

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'll take this house:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ennis,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=52.850681,-8.947334&spn=0.04696,0.110378&sll=40.744006,-74.006996&sspn=0.071141,0.169086&oq=ennis+&hnear=Ennis,+County+Clare,+Ireland&t=m&layer=c&cbll=52.850641,-8.980194&panoid=_R9I_Eftl_P7BiilGVTUyg&cbp=13,8.2,,0,5.63&z=13

I'll use it for one of those "One more payment and it's mine!" postcards.;)

yera an oul lick of paint it'll be as good as new.

m83

Anyone know what's going on with this house across from the Colaiste? Didn't yer man Sheils used to own it? It's in bits these days.

MyKeyG

m83 wrote: »

Anyone know what's going on with this house across from the Colaiste? Didn't yer man Sheils used to own it? It's in bits these days.

That's a nice house but I can't understand people designing balcony's on the front. You don't want to be sitting there in just your shorts with the whole world looking.

Lady Chatterton

m83 wrote: »

Anyone know what's going on with this house across from the Colaiste? Didn't yer man Sheils used to own it? It's in bits these days.

I thought Sheil's house was sold by public auction a couple of years ago. I adore College Road, I'd gladly live in any house on that road.

golfball37

m83 wrote: »

Anyone know what's going on with this house across from the Colaiste? Didn't yer man Sheils used to own it? It's in bits these days.

is that not Lyons house?

m83

Well it's in tatters at the mo, whoever owns it.

CiaranMT

Tis. Used to cycle by it the whole time on the way to the gym. Nice few houses on that road, probably worth a pretty penny.

Carry

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'll take this house:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ennis,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=52.850681,-8.947334&spn=0.04696,0.110378&sll=40.744006,-74.006996&sspn=0.071141,0.169086&oq=ennis+&hnear=Ennis,+County+Clare,+Ireland&t=m&layer=c&cbll=52.850641,-8.980194&panoid=_R9I_Eftl_P7BiilGVTUyg&cbp=13,8.2,,0,5.63&z=13

I'll use it for one of those "One more payment and it's mine!" postcards.;)

Even at the risk of being accused by pilate1 once again that I'm "knocking nuns in ennis" - that is the house I was wondering for ages about. Several (mind, long-established catholic Irish) neighbours of mine, while I was living in Ennis, told me that it belongs to a nunnery and was supposed to be a retirement home for them.
I'm quoting: They couldn't be bothered to look after it, neither did they have the idea to rent it out to ordinary people or to give it to the needy or at least sell it.
Simply because they didn't grasp the idea that even simple cottages need maintenance, not only churches.
Which ended in the discussion that the religious orders apparantly don't give a dustbin about caring about ordinary property or they are just plain stupid.

Lack of money wasn't certainly a problem. More like that life outside a convent doesn't matter to them.

There, I'm "knocking" again....:rolleyes:

In general I really don't understand why perfectly good houses are left to rot while there are still homeless or poor people desperate for a home.

By the way: There is a field behind my house which happens to belong to a nun. It's going wild, a jungle of brambles and furze. There are not even cattle anymore. Local lore says, that the owner is too frail and beyond the cupboard to care about it, but to mean to leave it to anyone in her family to look after it.
Wasting property for selfish reasons seems to be a desease in Ireland.

"Knocking" again

Balagan

I don't know if nuns own the house on the corner near the station or if a nun owns the field behind a poster's house but, if they do, then that's their business. They have the same rights as the rest of us to do, or not do, what they like with their property and the same likelihood as the rest of us to get caught in an awful bind when wills and inheritance get tangled up.

It's all very well speculating about who owns what neglected house and human to be coveting such properties but there's an unpleasant whiff about it which isn't far removed from the busy thread on here at one time about the 'characters' (most of them down and outs and many struggling with mental illness and addictions and family tragedies) around they place and what they do that amused us and how they fell on hard times. That was a preying on vulnerability based on knowing that they cannot fight back and I think it's the same with the vacant/neglected properties. Can you imagine writing like this about someone's occupied house? I know that neglected houses can become eyesores but there's a place to take complaints about that (perhaps the Town or County Council?) And, as quite a separate matter, the publishing of photos and descriptions of the location of properties which are vacant/neglected etc., may very well lead to the start of vandalism, or add to existing vandalism, on those properties.

Lady Chatterton

I really liked this thread in the beginning, I thought I was the only one intrigued by the house in Clonroad and it was really nice to hear that other people liked it too. It is a beautiful house and I'd dearly love to see someone occupy it again. So much as changed in Ennis over the last 20+ years but that house has stayed pretty much the same. As for the issue of vandalism, steps have been taken to secure the properties which have been mentioned on this thread, some are boarded up, have fences around them or have CCTV etc.

CiaranMT

Balagan wrote: »

And, as quite a separate matter, the publishing of photos and descriptions of the location of properties which are vacant/neglected etc., may very well lead to the start of vandalism, or add to existing vandalism, on those properties.

LOL. You reckon the type of people who would intentionally go out and vandalise a vacant property are looking through fora like these to seek out targets?

Northclare

CiaranMT wrote: »

Balagan wrote: »

And, as quite a separate matter, the publishing of photos and descriptions of the location of properties which are vacant/neglected etc., may very well lead to the start of vandalism, or add to existing vandalism, on those properties.

LOL. You reckon the type of people who would intentionally go out and vandalise a vacant property are looking through fora like these to seek out targets?

LOL its gas the way this discussion has gone on a negative direction but I'm telling ye now the first house is haunted a relative of mine had a nice house in Kerry nobody wanted to inherit it as it was built on a leyline and there was never any luck with it back in those days even 30 years ago people were superstitious and weren't looking at property with an egotistical self serving Celtic tiger mindset or so called economic eyes their peace of mind was more important I said it before even the homeless don't want spend a night sleeping rough there......

Balagan

CiaranMT wrote: »

LOL. You reckon the type of people who would intentionally go out and vandalise a vacant property are looking through fora like these to seek out targets?

Now, do I believe in a scenario where someone in, say, Las Vegas, would google abandonedhousesinennis.com and come and vandalize them, then, no, I don't! But I can well imagine a group of people, from Ennis or nearby, who want a new location to gather for their drink or their drugs or whatever, easily seizing an opportunity to use a vacant house which has come to their attention. And there could be others with no good on their minds who come upon these posts of vacant houses with photos and discussion mentions about people who own them being abroad or whatever, and who would seize those opportunities. And what started out discussing one vacant house has moved on to a number of them, including one still in good order. Not all vandals are computer illiterate or without access to computers, you know! And this is the internet and open to all. No us and them here. No cosy consensus.

MyKeyG

Balagan wrote: »

Now, do I believe in a scenario where someone in, say, Las Vegas, would google abandonedhousesinennis.com and come and vandalize them, then, no, I don't! But I can well imagine a group of people, from Ennis or nearby, who want a new location to gather for their drink or their drugs or whatever, easily seizing an opportunity to use a vacant house which has come to their attention. And there could be others with no good on their minds who come upon these posts of vacant houses with photos and discussion mentions about people who own them being abroad or whatever, and who would seize those opportunities. And what started out discussing one vacant house has moved on to a number of them, including one still in good order. Not all vandals are computer illiterate or without access to computers, you know! And this is the internet and open to all. No us and them here. No cosy consensus.

Yes the junkies of Ennis come on Boards to find out the locations of these houses in between fixes because god knows the properties are so well hidden from public view.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Insect Overlord

27 petty/silly/off-topic posts removed.

Balagan

MyKeyG wrote: »

Yes the junkies of Ennis come on Boards to find out the locations of these houses in between fixes because god knows the properties are so well hidden from public view.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I could have sworn that my reply to your comment survived the major removing of posts yesterday but it seems to have disappeared since. Interesting! Anyway, to respond again:

Of course they are not hidden from public view at all! But neither is there a poster out in front of the houses stating that the owner is overseas and other information which has been posted in this thread!

And not all those who gather for drinking and taking drugs are far-gone junkies who would be unacquainted with or without access to the internet. There are quite a number of secondary school age and older who would be very likely to visit this site (some were certainly here during the headshop discussions) who, unfortunately, make up a quite significant number for whom such gatherings are frequent.

We had moved on from discussion of the property which was the original subject of the thread and began discussing other properties, one in still good condition. If you had a vacant house in Ennis yourself, would you be happy for it to feature on here, along with location and photo, and discussion as to what happened in your family that led to the house being vacant? Would other posters be happy for that to happen to them?

MyKeyG

Balagan wrote: »

I could have sworn that my reply to your comment survived the major removing of posts yesterday but it seems to have disappeared since. Interesting! Anyway, to respond again:

Of course they are not hidden from public view at all! But neither is there a poster out in front of the houses stating that the owner is overseas and other information which has been posted in this thread!

And not all those who gather for drinking and taking drugs are far-gone junkies who would be unacquainted with or without access to the internet. There are quite a number of secondary school age and older who would be very likely to visit this site (some were certainly here during the headshop discussions) who, unfortunately, make up a quite significant number for whom such gatherings are frequent.

We had moved on from discussion of the property which was the original subject of the thread and began discussing other properties, one in still good condition. If you had a vacant house in Ennis yourself, would you be happy for it to feature on here, along with location and photo, and discussion as to what happened in your family that led to the house being vacant? Would other posters be happy for that to happen to them?

Balagan I did see your last post I simply chose to ignore it. The fact that you have repeated your response even though it was already removed indicates your sole purpose on this thread is to provoke. I have no interest in your efforts to turn a decent thread into a rolling argument. This is the last time I will reply to anything you post as I am putting you on my ignore list.

Thank you!

pilate 1

MyKeyG wrote: »

Balagan I did see your last post I simply chose to ignore it. The fact that you have repeated your response even though it was already removed indicates your sole purpose on this thread is to provoke. I have no interest in your efforts to turn a decent thread into a rolling argument. This is the last time I will reply to anything you post as I am putting you on my ignore list.

Thank you!

i love the ostrich approache:)

dr.fuzzenstein

Don't think this thread is going any further. Unsubscribed.

pilate 1

point taken how bout the pigs head?

Insect Overlord

This is the third thread in as many months I've made an effort to salvage, only for stupid posts to keep rolling in afterwards. Balagan, if something is deleted, leave it deleted. The argument you're trying to make does not belong in this thread.

Locked.