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lexuslad

How long do you have to keep cattle after buying them before you can send them off to the factory?

Bass Reeves

lexuslad wrote: »

How long do you have to keep cattle after buying them before you can send them off to the factory?

As long as it takes to load a lorry

lexuslad

Bass Reeves wrote: »

As long as it takes to load a lorry

Are you sure? Was told the last day by a dealer that I have to keep them 70 days before I can send them off to the factory

wrangler

lexuslad wrote: »

Are you sure? Was told the last day by a dealer that I have to keep them 70 days before I can send them off to the factory

They have to be on a Quality Assured farm or farms for seventy days to get the Bonuses. but you can sell anytime.

Cavanjack

morphy87 wrote: »

What were you been quoted last week? Was talking to an agent Saturday night and he said they were trying to pull them but cattle ain’t over plentiful at the moment

Got €3.75 last week

lexuslad

wrangler wrote: »

They have to be on a Quality Assured farm or farms for seventy days to get the Bonuses. but you can sell anytime.

So if they were on a quality assured farm for more than 70 days before mine then I will get the bonuses? Sorry for all the questions first year of farming and trying something different this year.

wrangler

lexuslad wrote: »

So if they were on a quality assured farm for more than 70 days before mine then I will get the bonuses? Sorry for all the questions first year of farming and trying something different this year.

Yes, if you're quality assured,
Don't worry about the questions, that's what we're here for.

Copied this from Bord Bia
''The residency requirement for cattle to be deemed Quality Assured is that the animal must have spent the last 70 days (unbroken) in the Quality Assured Chain. However, the animal can be moved from one farm to another, provided each farm is Quality Assured, and remain in the Quality Assurance Chain.''

DukeCaboom

wrangler wrote: »

Yes, if you're quality assured,
Don't worry about the questions, that's what we're here for.

Copied this from Bord Bia
''The residency requirement for cattle to be deemed Quality Assured is that the animal must have spent the last 70 days (unbroken) in the Quality Assured Chain. However, the animal can be moved from one farm to another, provided each farm is Quality Assured, and remain in the Quality Assurance Chain.''

I'd find it varies a bit between factories. Our one is 70 days in the previous farm and 30 days in our place providing both places are QA.


And again don't be afraid to ask any questions.

memorystick

Bass Reeves wrote: »

As long as it takes to load a lorry

That bull that left €800 to a dealer was the following day. Could have been €900 either.

Water John

It's just one of those, little rules, for the rest of us.

Dunedin

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/finishing-cattle-efficiently-this-winter/


Quote that demand is getting tight and price is creeping up......... whatever about demand, price has gone from €3.80 2 weeks ago to €3.65 next week.

Did he dream up that or just took a guess at price with no research of any kind.

mf240

Why would anyone feed cattle this winter

Bass Reeves

mf240 wrote: »

Why would anyone feed cattle this winter

another BEAM

mf240

Bass Reeves wrote: »

another BEAM

Fool me once shame on you

Fool me every year.....

Bass Reeves

mf240 wrote: »

Fool me once shame on you

Fool me every year.....

Feed 100 cattle win 10,000 euro........well that if the factories get an excuse to screw you and any excuse will do. There was no BEAM the time of the horse meat lads were left high and dry. Beam is not even compensation for market losses. Saw a bit of the rag at the parent in laws house today. There was a page about Beam and the lads reactions to it it was a case of f@@k the suckler farmer store cattle are too dear and they are compensated anyway. There was a mart manager hoping these lads will pass it back in the autumn marts.

However for finisher to make 100/head on cattle store and suckler farmers need to produce at a loss. Now I no saint but I do know that the store man needs every penny he gets.

Cavanjack

Jjameson wrote: »

Keep money from the taxman. Something to do, get out of the house, a sense of identity.

Beam money is irrelevant to the cohort of independently wealthy farmers. The perpetual waffle about sheds not filling or and finishers exiting (only really happens when you put em in a 6 x3 hole) never comes to anything.

I know a few old lads that would crack up if they didn’t go out in the autumn to buy stores to feed over the winter. To make money on them is only a bonus.

Danzy

It's like a science experiment at this stage.
Finishing cattle in winter 18 was a bad idea.
Finishing cattle in winter 19 was a very bad idea.
Finishing cattle in 2020, they are dearer in the mart and the factories are riding roughshod etc so drive on hard.

jntsnk

Danzy wrote: »

It's like a science experiment at this stage.
Finishing cattle in winter 18 was a bad idea.
Finishing cattle in winter 19 was a very bad idea.
Finishing cattle in 2020, they are dearer in the mart and the factories are riding roughshod etc so drive on hard.

Add brexit to the mix and it’s definitely a runner

Albert Johnson

Danzy wrote: »

It's like a science experiment at this stage.
Finishing cattle in winter 18 was a bad idea.
Finishing cattle in winter 19 was a very bad idea.
Finishing cattle in 2020, they are dearer in the mart and the factories are riding roughshod etc so drive on hard.

Yes on all accounts but the fear of not making money is worse than the fear of losing it for many, the only thing worse is someone else making it instead of you. This spring was a good one for those who fed lambs over the winter, the same lambs this back end are probably a tenner or more dearer than there 2019 born counterparts. The most active men I see ringside atm for store lambs fed little or none last winter. The fact that this year's lambs are dearer and therefore there's less chance of a profit is meaningless to most of them. There not going to miss out a second time around and there's always the temptation of a final roll of the dice.

kk.man

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Yes on all accounts but the fear of not making money is worse than the fear of losing it for many, the only thing worse is someone else making it instead of you. This spring was a good one for those who fed lambs over the winter, the same lambs this back end are probably a tenner or more dearer than there 2019 born counterparts. The most active men I see ringside atm for store lambs fed little or none last winter. The fact that this year's lambs are dearer and therefore there's less chance of a profit is meaningless to most of them. There not going to miss out a second time around and there's always the temptation of a final roll of the dice.

+1

richie123

Danzy wrote: »

It's like a science experiment at this stage.
Finishing cattle in winter 18 was a bad idea.
Finishing cattle in winter 19 was a very bad idea.
Finishing cattle in 2020, they are dearer in the mart and the factories are riding roughshod etc so drive on hard.

True. In the last 30 year was there even 3 half arsed years where money was made ??

Bass Reeves

richie123 wrote: »

True. In the last 30 year was there even 3 half arsed years where money was made ??

There probably however because if mechanism and sheds it has become possible to feed large numbers with little labour. But profit is determined by what you pay for a store not by efficiency. Feed efficiency might make a 20 euro difference between a technically good finisher and an average one but the average might be 50/head better at the ring

Dunedin

Bass Reeves wrote: »

But profit is determined by what you pay for a store not by efficiency. Feed efficiency might make a 20 euro difference between a technically good finisher and an average one but the average might be 50/head better at the ring

So where does the suckler farmer fit in. Haven’t bought a store in 10 years.........

Profit for me is sale price versus costs and unfortunately they’re both going in the wrong direction.

Bass Reeves

Dunedin wrote: »

So where does the suckler farmer fit in. Haven’t bought a store in 10 years.........

Profit for me is sale price versus costs and unfortunately they’re both going in the wrong direction.

When I talk about feed efficiency I referring to getting the diet right to put on weight and fat score. The agriland article is about ''feeding cattle efficiently this winter'' however where is the profit in efficiently. Friesian cattle will not put on enough weight to cover feeding costs, HE and AA are just about break even, continental cattle might make 50-70c/day over direct feeding costs but you have to still deduct other ancillary costs, transport, mart fees, vetinenary costs, mortality etc

morphy87

Steers 3 65, south east but was told if definitely giving the cattle 3 70 will be got, reckons they will hold at that for a while not over plentiful

older by the day

Hi I've an Angus bull, running with heifers, say 700kgs. What's the best way to sell

wrangler

Rumours around that Kildare Chilling will stay closed rather than comply with Guidelines....... might b a long winter yet

Sami23

wrangler wrote: »

Rumours around that Kildare Chilling will stay closed rather than comply with Guidelines....... might b a long winter yet

If that's the case they some shower of c@#*s

Bass Reeves

wrangler wrote: »

Rumours around that Kildare Chilling will stay closed rather than comply with Guidelines....... might b a long winter yet

Is Kildare chilling still an independent or is it under the control of Dawn. If it not incorporated into the big three it may be just wholesaling to them

tabby aspreme

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Is Kildare chilling still an independent or is it under the control of Dawn. If it not incorporated into the big three it may be just wholesaling to them

Still independent I think