beef price tracker

mf240

Cattle supposed to be scarce.

Will get some doing in spring 2017 when the flood of cattle are ready.

Just looked up the nigerian excange. One nigerian naira is worth less than half a cent.

Cant see them buying to many irish steaks.

Robson99

mf240 wrote: »

Cattle supposed to be scarce.
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No evidence of scarcity in the factories. They Dont want cattle at the moment. I can see a cut coming again next week

mf240

Robson99 wrote: »

No evidence of scarcity in the factories. They Dont want cattle at the moment. I can see a cut coming again next week

Thats what i mean. Imagine what theyll do when theres a glut. As another poster said when you see cow price falling its a very bad sign.

farawaygrass

Why is it a bad sign when cow prices fall?

barnaman

Willfarman wrote: »

Well a start would be recognition of the problem. And a presence in our most important prime retail market is far more likely to bear fruit than another pointless junket to a far flung corner of the earth..

Maybe he got the email from the Nigerian prince that needed a irish bank account to help him inherit his billions and said he better go find him and sure bring and hunk of dairy gold and and some Hereford prime to sweet the deal..

The British retailers also have a presence here so there there should be some scope to negotiate and clarify their stance on the said beef. Negotiate with the uk government. Talk to other processors. Find a loophole in European law to make it illegal. Draw up a few unanswered questions and possible penalties from the horsemeat scandal maybe.

At least ffing try anyway.

Not sure what they can do, British Retailers etc and the rest. Tesco here sell all Irish beef and all stores here from Aldi to Tesco keen to show support Irish farmers etc. Same happening stores in England British beef sold with the Red Tractor symbol promoted by the NFU. Its a simple thing that British prime market supports British beef. That leaves Irish beef with the mince meant market or same made into burgers. Only other time see it sold as prime beef is as super discounted.

barnaman

€1.91/kilo R3 Heifer price in Latvia this week. Its in the EU etc how can we compete with that? Half the price we are getting. Should Irish supermarkets start stocking Latvian beef? IMO prepare for the price drop.

rangler1

Eddie downey warned of a price drop at a meeting here a month ago and got criticised for talking it down.
Reminded me of telling a builder it couldn't last ten years ago.....it has to last he said.
Huge nos out there now and not much sign of new markets.
Supermarket specs will be important next year

CloughCasey1

rangler1 wrote: »

Eddie downey warned of a price drop at a meeting here a month ago and got criticised for talking it down.
Reminded me of telling a builder it couldn't last ten years ago.....it has to last he said.
Huge nos out there now and not much sign of new markets.
Supermarket specs will be important next year

How ya mean it wouldn't last Rangler? When was there a prolonged boom in beef prices like the construction? We got about six months of middling prices, and still well back on price being paid out in our biggest export market and your calling it similar to what happened the building game. How bad do you reckon it will get?

Willfarman

There's not huge numbers of 14 birthday cattle. Been hard buying all year. Numbers just aren't there. It just depends when this glut of 15 birthday stock come on the scene next year.

If ever there were boats needed........

rangler1

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

How ya mean it wouldn't last Rangler? When was there a prolonged boom in beef prices like the construction? We got about six months of middling prices, and still well back on price being paid out in our biggest export market and your calling it similar to what happened the building game. How bad do you reckon it will get?

There was no boom, but European markets are difficult, all the figures are pointing to a poor year next year and if they are realised , its likely that weight limits will be there as well.
130000 more cattle than this year and that was the figure that was quoted the last bad year.
Probably won't be an issue till the back end.
The only similarity with the building is you kinda have to heed the warnings, not criticise the messenger

Willfarman

barnaman wrote: »

Not sure what they can do, British Retailers etc and the rest. Tesco here sell all Irish beef and all stores here from Aldi to Tesco keen to show support Irish farmers etc. Same happening stores in England British beef sold with the Red Tractor symbol promoted by the NFU. Its a simple thing that British prime market supports British beef. That leaves Irish beef with the mince meant market or same made into burgers. Only other time see it sold as prime beef is as super discounted.

It is seen as prime beef, and selling well from wanything I have and and seen. it is only discounted because we the Irish farmers are taking the hit and more. It is damaging the red tractor brand sales directly too.. Are British producers happy to see cheap high qaulity Irish beef dragging their livelihoods back in line with ours?

barnaman

Willfarman wrote: »

It is seen as prime beef, and selling well from wanything I have and and seen. it is only discounted because we the Irish farmers are taking the hit and more. It is damaging the red tractor brand sales directly too.. Are British producers happy to see cheap high qaulity Irish beef dragging their livelihoods back in line with ours?

Its not seen as prime beef by British customers and thus cannot be marketed as such. I lived in England for years and lads sitting down to their Sunday Roast do not want Irish beef. Waitrose only stock British beef and most rest gone that too. Tesco and Sainsburys used to stock Irish beef and that was the stuff on offer. I used to buy it to "buy Irish" and the quality often was ropey. British farmers taking a hit as Irish beef is taking up more of the subprime market which has a knock on effect. Irish farmers have to realise beef is only a commodity like oil and we have to export 90% of what we produce and if no market the price goes down.

barnaman

http://www.waitrose.com/home/inspiration/about_waitrose/about_our_food/beef.html

All Waitrose beef comes from animals born, reared and slaughtered in the UK. All processing of meat takes place in the UK.

http://realfood.tesco.com/our-food/british-brilliant.html

Tesco has worked hard over the past few years to reach the stage where all of the meat in our fresh meat counters is 100% British. We believe British is best, not just when it comes to taste, but also because buying British meat helps support our own farmers, as well as cut down on food miles by sourcing regionally within the UK.

Etc

Willfarman

The cheaper product always outsells the premium prised product when it comes to beef. This labelling arrangement is suiting the processers and retailers pretty well.
Larry and co have the system tied in knots now.

British and Irish farmers has a good ring to it and would go down just fine with the consumer. McDonald's chain runs with this.

And irish prime beef is as prime as prime British beef??

If you talk of world price commodity beef then you have to talk of world price production standards.. And the consumer risks their in.

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

The cheaper product always outsells the premium prised product when it comes to beef. This labelling arrangement is suiting the processers and retailers pretty well.
Larry and co have the system tied in knots now.

British and Irish farmers has a good ring to it and would go down just fine with the consumer. McDonald's chain runs with this.

And irish prime beef is as prime as prime British beef??

If you talk of world price commodity beef then you have to talk of world price production standards.. And the consumer risks their in.

Sadly I think that our beef is just foreign beef in England competing with anything that comes frome Europe, and if two steaks don't fit in a tray, it's just burger beef

bogman_bass

Willfarman wrote: »

And irish prime beef is as prime as prime British beef??

Polish prime beef is as prime as prime Irish beef but we all know how we feel about that coming in here. Brits view Irish beef in the same way we view polish beef.

rangler1

bogman_bass wrote: »

Polish prime beef is as prime as prime Irish beef but we all know how we feel about that coming in here. Brits view Irish beef in the same way we view polish beef.

Like wise New Zealand lamb, I have to say anytime I've eaten it has been fine, even th'ould hormones of years ago in the beef used to improve the eating quality

Willfarman

Plenty of uk lamb coming here here to be processed when the exchange rate suits.. What nationality is this retailed under rangler.

And I am not convinced that the British consumer would shirk British labelled beef that started its life in the republic. The live trade is to England is a well worn road.
The 13 million that we paid into the ifa would have been better used to buy 60000 calves and make dog meat of them!
Rumours here of Larry after buying the Allen family's stake in slaney Icm and linden foods. The monster keeps growing.

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

Plenty of uk lamb coming here here to be processed when the exchange rate suits.. What nationality is this retailed under rangler.

And I am not convinced that the British consumer would shirk British labelled beef that started its life in the republic. The live trade is to England is a well worn road.
The 13 million that we paid into the ifa would have been better used to buy 60000 calves and make dog meat of them!
Rumours here of Larry after buying the Allen family's stake in slaney Icm and linden foods. The monster keeps growing.

More than a rumour
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/abp-to-acquire-50-stake-in-slaney-meats-and-irish-country-meats-195433/

Department of ag is supposed to supervise labelling, wouldn't like to comment as you know what I think of public service

barnaman

Willfarman wrote: »

Plenty of uk lamb coming here here to be processed when the exchange rate suits.. What nationality is this retailed under rangler.

And I am not convinced that the British consumer would shirk British labelled beef that started its life in the republic. The live trade is to England is a well worn road.
The 13 million that we paid into the ifa would have been better used to buy 60000 calves and make dog meat of them!
Rumours here of Larry after buying the Allen family's stake in slaney Icm and linden foods. The monster keeps growing.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/anger-as-facings-of-british-lamb-plummet-at-tesco.htm

as posted in another post but useful for lads here to see how many British supermarkets only sell British beef and how even the rest are nearly Exclusively British beef. FWI is great mag by the way I get it nearly every week.

Willfarman

Buy it now and then yes it's a great read. Facing would mean display?

Where did the talks of the British Isles label go or the Islandd of Ireland label. Bord bia is another over fed over fat state quango not fit for purpose.

barnaman

Yeah facings means offered for sale. That British Isles thing was a none runner; the main reason being its not a legal entity and EU law and to be fair all member states themsleves say meat/food etc must have a county of origin labeling. Anyway IMO the beef price is going down and defintitley not for up. Lads show alot about R price different but price difference for cull cows is mimimal between here and the UK at the moment.

Also lads can tell ye pople eating less beef in the UK. Groeth area for beef will be Halal meat that is a serious groeth area.

davidk1394

A neighbour is selling a bull weanling born in march roughly 280kg average animal. What sort of money would he be worth ?

FarmerDougal

davidk1394 wrote: »

A neighbour is selling a bull weanling born in march roughly 280kg average animal. What sort of money would he be worth ?

Anywhere between 400 and 1000e depending on breed and quality

limo_100

davidk1394 wrote: »

A neighbour is selling a bull weanling born in march roughly 280kg average animal. What sort of money would he be worth ?

what breed is he? is he stylish or plain? What age is it?

davidk1394

limo_100 wrote: »

what breed is he? is he stylish or plain? What age is it?

His an AA out of holstein FR cow. 9 months old

FarmerDougal

davidk1394 wrote: »

His an AA out of holstein FR cow. 9 months old

600e

locha

Quoted 3.85 base for steers. Holding for 3.90... Reckon the when we turn the new year there will be another pull

epfff

locha wrote: »

Quoted 3.85 base for steers. Holding for 3.90... Reckon the when we turn the new year there will be another pull

Taking 385 in morning
And 320/310 for R&o cows
Sick

Robson99

epfff wrote: »

Taking 385 in morning
And 320/310 for R&o cows
Sick

Back on last week epfff ?